An IT Guys alternate solution ????
Posted by dgillott@reddit | sysadmin | View on Reddit | 266 comments
Hey guys this isnt exactly related to "sysadmin stuff" but I have a questions since you guys are basically my peers. I worked at Amazon as an Syseng or Systems engineer for 8 yrs was RIF'd in October '25. I have been out of work for 6 months. I have posted 1000s of resumes, spoke to countless head hunters. Been Ghosted and rejected more than I care to admit. I am on all of the usual sites( Linkedin, Dice, Glassdoor, Zip...etc etc) I have done the resume for hundreds of posts....( OK enough venting)
My question is what else do I consider since I have been in IT in some area for 30yrs. What alternative careers would you consider if in my position which I know most of you are. or can be?
I have retrained and reenforced the skills sets, trying to stay on top of stuff. Spoke to headhunters who seem just to busy. So I figured I would come here and get some other opinions and maybe come up with a direction.
Thanks for any input...
Ryaustal@reddit
Lawn care bro, buy a trailer and a lawnmower and leave computers behind. I think about it all the time.
ecorona21@reddit
Well... I learned how to make guitas, the problem will be selling them. I have a friend that claims his doing 3k a week with doordash.
theotheritmanager@reddit
Similar to the other comments, get some people to peer review your resume. There’s some subs on here for that too.
Depending on your speciality and area, some are struggling. Obviously lots of layoffs in some tech areas in some cities right now.
Jim___H@reddit
Project Management
massachrisone@reddit
Find a contractor firm. I was in the same situation. My job got outsourced, couldn’t find a job for over a year. Applied at a contractor firm and was working within a month. Pay is way under average for my area but its hourly so I’m 40 hours and out
MrD3a7h@reddit
I checked your post history (sorry) and don't see that you've posted in /r/EngineeringResumes , /r/Resume , or /r/resumes.
Get on there and get some new eyes on it.
dgillott@reddit (OP)
I didnt think of that ....Thanks! ill get it up there
svegami@reddit
It's fucking insane to me that someone who worked at Amazon as a sysadmin for 8 years can't find a job. I fully believe you, but what the fuck...
ABirdJustShatOnMyEye@reddit
I think there’s more to it than he’s letting on honestly. Only thing I can think of is not having a degree which auto filters you out from most senior IT roles.
XB_Demon1337@reddit
Not having a degree is such a dumb thing to take people out on. I have also been turned down because the TITLE of my job wasn't Engineer. The job I did was word for word exactly the same as the job posting, the hiring manager agreed that I was perfect for the role, but the CEO and HR denied me because I didn't have one of my job titles as Engineer. They just labeled it as Tier 3 Systems and Network Administrator.
screampuff@reddit
That really sucks, but it sounds more like it's the whim of one person.
Modern DEI practices go against strict degree requirements without considering equivalent experience. It's nice to see HR folks trip over their words when you bring that up. Also ask about the culture of teams and autonomy (a lot of orgs are micromanaged by HR).
Though I am in Canada I worked as a Systems Engineer and am now and Enterprise Architect without a degree.
XB_Demon1337@reddit
Sadly while normally you would be right, in the US they have slowly stripped away protections for this. We used to have quite a decent set of protections in the US but at this point unless they actively abuse you, they can effectively do whatever they want.
admiralspark@reddit
It's not lying on your resume to put the actual job you did.
If HR calls to verify, all a company can legally say is "did they work for you" and "are they eligible for rehire". If anything else gets out, you can sue that company.
XB_Demon1337@reddit
I put my job title because that is my title. When they call they tell the position title and hire eligibility. If the title doesn't match you will get dinged.
admiralspark@reddit
I've never had that happen, and I've been doing this for 16 years now. Unfortunate if you've seen it though.
XB_Demon1337@reddit
It honestly is just a paint to deal with. Almost can't even be honest on a resume or you get dinged but then when you lie they ding you. No win.
hojimbo@reddit
I have no degree and haven’t been out of work for 27 years as an engineer. It ain’t that!
XB_Demon1337@reddit
It is always something dumb places pick to take out good candidates. Mine was the lack of Engineer in the job title. I have also been denied manager roles for the same reason even though as the T3 escalation point I was also the manager for the team. I have been denied because I didn't list every model of firewall on my resume and they used something else. I was denied an entry level Jr. Linux Admin because the place I worked with linux last used CentOS and that was discontinued... they used Ubuntu as their servers. This was like 6 months after they discontinued it.
krustyy@reddit
If your job title is out of place with what your actual role was, just change the damn title on your resume.
I once specifically did not hire someone for a desktop support role because he added "engineer" to every job title he had on his resume. Rubbed me the wrong way. Sorry dude, I don't want to hire someone who thinks he's slipping something by me with "technical support engineer" and "customer service engineer" in your job titles for telephone support.
XB_Demon1337@reddit
When they look at my history and see it doesn't really line up right, it creates questions. Easier to set it as it is/was and then use my skills and personality to get in the door.
admiralspark@reddit
Same, but 16 years. Hell I had previous company paying for me to get my degree too (didn't finish before I left unfortunately).
Motor_Usual_7156@reddit
I don't even have a basic education, and I've been working in IT since I was 16; I'm 40 now. I only have experience.
RangerNS@reddit
That sounds like the kind of place you don't want to work for. Both that HR and the CEO would override a hiring manager, and on the particular pettiness.
XB_Demon1337@reddit
The company was a great company for the type of work and the pay would have more than offset things. It certainly wouldn't have been some amazing dream role. But it wasn't going to be stressful.
Really it was the HR manager that was pushing the requirement and the hiring manager had a sneaking suspicion the marketing director was trying to make some "we have engineers from blah blah" kind of marketing lingo and didn't want legal trouble. I got a few calls from that manager wanting an updated resume when he sees me on linked in and they need a new person. The slot is hard to fill because they get "engineers" with just a title and not actual engineers who do that kind of work.
The hiring manager is a really cool dude and he knows the HR manager is a twat. I wouldn't have to deal with anyone but the hiring manager and CEO so it would be an honestly easy job in that side of things.
TheRealLazloFalconi@reddit
It's dumb, but it's the way it is. If your org offers any education incentives, use them to finish that degree. I did about 70% of my BS after work, with two kids. There's no excuse.
XB_Demon1337@reddit
Really dumb take.
Getting debt just to get a degree that means actual fuck all nothing and you say "There's no excuse".
Son, I don't need debt to learn and do cool shit. Certifications? Sure, that is fine. But a degree? Just useless.
TheRealLazloFalconi@reddit
Cool story bro, more jobs for me.
RikiWardOG@reddit
I'd be one of those people and it's a real fear of mine. I currently make roughly 200k and have no degree. Pretty sure I basically can't work any of the bigger companies because of it. Not that I want to, but with how the market is now it's more scary than I want to let on.
XB_Demon1337@reddit
I do perfectly fine without a degree personally as I can speak to 17 years of experience every step of the way and generally have any answer to a question a hiring manager would ask. Including why I don't have a degree or even certifications. And outside of the one place I got denied for Engineering role I have gotten every position I seriously tried for.
Lv_InSaNe_vL@reddit
As someone who's been hiring for many many years I think part of the problem is that people are shotgunning out 1000s of applications (not to throw OP under the bus here). The last position we hired for got over *1500 applicants, nearly 400 of them were what id consider "qualified".
So, as i see it, were faced with a few options and none are particularly good. - Let HR/AI filter most of them out - Me manually review all of them - Randomly select like 30-50 and review those
Im not sure if there is a good solution to be honest.
RikiWardOG@reddit
we had over 700 applications for a helpdesk role... And most if not all of the applications are ummm of questionable quality
admiralspark@reddit
This is what our HR has been doing, unfortunately, because like you said--not enough candidates. And then the 30 that make it through, we have to cut some of those because they passed ATS sniff tests but they're obvuously bullshit from a technical perspective.
Iced__t@reddit
Yup - it's very likely this.
My previous employer wouldn't refused to promote me because of that.
When I switched jobs I just straight up lied and said I was enrolled and finishing my degree up. That was enough to satisfy them and it hasn't come up since (been there 2 years now).
WhereDidThatGo@reddit
Ageism is also a problem. If he's been in IT for 30 years he is at the point where a lot of companies aren't going to want to hire for technical. Ageism is a real issue in this industry.
scrimshaw41@reddit
I'm going to hazard to guess it has more to do with salary expectations from both sides
roboto404@reddit
This is what I was thinking and also maybe just bad interviews. I bombed a few interviews I think just because I get super nervous that I don’t get to explain my professional experience clearly to interviewers.
dgillott@reddit (OP)
Same I have bombed a few just because i wasnt in the frame of mind or feeling great
dgillott@reddit (OP)
No I have a BA on computer science and it's on the resume
XB_Demon1337@reddit
Either a bad resume or bad personality. Neither of which we can determine from OPs post alone. But generally these are the two main factors.
dgillott@reddit (OP)
Well I am hoping its neither as OP....I know I dont have a sparkling personality but Im told I am a nice guy!!!
XB_Demon1337@reddit
Knowing your age now (from another post) that could also be a factor to some. But I will say that personalities are hard. You might generally be nice to someone you have a relationship with. But might not be as approachable to new people. Or it could be the reverse. But sadly you wouldn't be able to know this as it isn't always super apparent to us when our own personality has flaws.
And generally it could easily be the resume. I don't know what is on it and how long it is and such, so maybe it is just not good, or not good enough.
dgillott@reddit (OP)
OH I TOTALLY AGREE. Yeah age is a factor I am definitely considering is an issue. I dont think the personality is a problem or the guys on my last team would have made life shit for me.
LeadershipSweet8883@reddit
Remove all the indicators of your age off of the resume and your LinkedIn. Take the dates off your education, just list the last 15 years of experience or so, etc.
dgillott@reddit (OP)
DONE!
OneSeaworthiness7768@reddit
I’m not saying this is the case, but this doesn’t really mean a lot. I’ve held my tongue and been nice to coworkers I couldn’t stand for years. You keep up appearances at work if you’re a professional. But even so, your coworkers liking you doesn’t mean your personality doesn’t rub an interviewer the wrong way. Especially if they’re looking more for a culture fit in their team.
XB_Demon1337@reddit
I am personally not saying it IS an issue specifically. Just giving you reasons things might not be going your way. Hell it could be your salary demand that is off putting people as well. Then again, it might just be the demand for what you are most qualified for. I was brought on as a desktop engineer for a place while having Sys/Net Admin on my resume. Money is money sometimes.... granted they were paying well for such a low man position.
dgillott@reddit (OP)
Trust me I thought the same started putting open to the salary not mentioning my old base at all....right now I would take any decent salary
ITGuyThrow07@reddit
Bad resume is possible. They also may just be over-qualified for a lot of jobs. I would think some hiring managers would see "Amazon, 8 years" and not want that person to come in, work for a few months, then leave when they find something better.
dgillott@reddit (OP)
It could be but I have had it reviewed by several people before and after running it thru Claude and GPT
Ok-Measurement-1575@reddit
My advice for people in the UK posting this is 'move 50 miles in any direction' because job creation / job welfare is highly variable per county.
You may have to move more than 50 miles if you're in the US.
You might be reading this thinking, "bitch, I'm a highly experienced engineer. I've built shit that would make you green with envy! wtf do you mean job welfare?"
Unfortunately, nobody cares. You probably didn't get your last job on merit. You probably won't get your next one on merit either.
Good luck.
Ecstatic_Score6973@reddit
consider researching how to make a proper resume, i'm gonna assume if you applied to 1000 jobs and have 8 years of experience that your resume is the problem tbh
Hot_Direction7888@reddit
Yea or he is going for the 150k jobs. Go for the 90k job get it and keep looking
Ecstatic_Score6973@reddit
at my last job they had me look through peoples resumes once, you would be shocked how much experience these people had but how absolutely disgusting their resumes were.
it was a huge red flag to me that these people work in IT but couldnt google how to make a proper resume. i'm talking like 10 page resumes of absolute nonsense, one guy had 3 whole pages of listing skills and it was just repetitive nonsense:
"HP Printers, Canon Printers, Printers, Printer Troubleshooting, Printing Repair" etc
ThesisWarrior@reddit
Im sorry but if method and clarity which is literally part of almost all IT is not demonstrated on the resume then thats a hard no for me straight up.
Ecstatic_Score6973@reddit
Resumes should be 1 page, 2 pages MAX. if your resume is 7 pages long im gonna assume they dont know how to research things which is a vital skill in IT
XB_Demon1337@reddit
It can really depend on so many factors. I know I had my resume when I first started in IT. I don't know when it happened but we used to list our experience chronologically top to bottom. So our most recent experience was on bottom. It showed slowly how you progressed and it was great. But at some point this got flipped. No idea when and it was such a drastic shift I am honestly not sure everyone really knew it happened. I mean, it isn't like we look for jobs literally every single year and change our resume every single year. So maybe it was over like a couple of years or something. I also know people who always did it reverse chronologically forever and never knew about this.
At any rate I didn't realize this change and my resume was backwards for a long time. Kind of worked in my favor because people READ my resume and saw how much experience I had instead of assuming based on the last job I had.
But I also did some reading on some resumes in the past at a job and found exactly what you saw with it being repetitive. But also, keyword hell. I hate when people are trying to keyword hell and hit all the buzz words to sound smart.
blkwolf@reddit
It's not trying to sound smart with using lots of keywords, it's trying to get past the automated HR now AI system, that rejects resumes if they don't have the proper keywords.
I have a base resume, that rewrite for every job posting I apply to, so that it includes all the keywords in the job listing.
RNG_HatesMe@reddit
What would a recruiter/interviewer think if you literally created the first 90% of your resume to be human readable/understandable, and added a last section labeled "Legitimate keywords/information intended for Automated review only" ?
Basically, just admit to gaming the AI / automated review systems, but put it in a place that a human interviewer wouldn't be burdened by it, while verifying that all the info in that section is legitimate.
Disastrous_Meal_4982@reddit
Just give ChatGPT the job listing and your resume and ask it if it’s a good fit. It’s not just as simple as keyword search anymore as these “agent reviews “ are switching to more natural language prompt evals and there are guardrails to drop keyword dumps and prompt injection.
blkwolf@reddit
I do try to keep it human readable.
While I do have a small list of 'skills' listed near the top (that can probably be moved to the bottom), I try to incorporate the job listing keywords into descriptions and achievments in my job histories.
Dynamatics@reddit
I've helped people apply to jobs and I always say: "If it's not clear from 1 page who you are and what value you add to their company, you won't be chosen".
People want people who are really good at doing something, not someone who is meh at everything.
Hashrunr@reddit
My resume is 1 page. It's designed to get me through the door to interviews and it does most of the time I apply for a job no matter if I'm actually serious about moving or not.
cosine83@reddit
Tech recruiters tell you to do this but generally listed alongside the relevant experience section as "skills gained" or work them into whole sentences. I can confidently say that it's likely a lot of the issues with resumes in IT come from tech recruiters as I've heard the same advice from every single one of them over the last 15+ years. Very few people are getting good resume advice from recruiters I feel and the shit LLMs output is usually just bad.
0zer0space0@reddit
At the end of Covid, a former manager of mine was trying to recruit me to come work for him at his new location. I’d already worked for him for a decade so he was well aware of my skillset. He sent me the job posting, and I was interested in the change, so I sent him my resume which I thought was decent. He asked me if it would be ok to add a few things on it that he knew I had skills in from before that would be useful here and I said alright, but let me look at it before you send it off to HR. Guy had literally copied bullet points from the job description and pasted it into my resume. 😂 to be fair, I did have experience in the things he added, so none of it was a lie, but I asked him… what? why? He said just trust me lol. I got that job and yes I took it and enjoyed my time there for several years until the company was sold.
agoia@reddit
Somebody somewhere is telling people thats a good idea to get past automated kwyword detection. And maybe it works. But then it gets to a hiring manager that goes "oh wtf what a muppet" and then tosses it.
Or the HR team schedules an interview with them anyways and they barely talk then send a 750word chatgpt thank you email about shit that wasnt even discussed in the 15 min "hi how are you, are you a functional human being?" call.
HeligKo@reddit
They usually want Word documents for resumes. The scanning systems look at the whole docx file not just the part you see in the editor. You can keyword dump into the metadata and still have a normal looking resume when it gets passed on to the hiring manager.
RikiWardOG@reddit
I legit just use the template my last place created for me when I was working for them to sell me to clients haha. It's actually really good and I didn't even need to make it.
badboybilly42582@reddit
This 100%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We interviewed a LOT of people last year and the year before. I kid you not..... Most of the resumes were absolute trash in regards to how they were written/formatted.
Far_Gift6173@reddit
They are used to the times before covid ended, where you could have sent something along thelines of "I know computers" to get an entry job.
itishowitisanditbad@reddit
Love those.
Just sitting there listing every keyword of any brand/product/thing they've ever touched or seen in any capacity.
Pick a random handful and ask if they have experience with it and everything always falls down in interviews. Its always zero or incredibly minimal actual experience.
I LOVE reading through resumes in IT because you get some wild wacky stuff and MOST people have actively harmful/bad resumes for the dumbest reasons.
I don't know why so many people struggle so hard to make resumes. I've always thought mine were bad but i've never had to apply for more than 5 jobs before getting interviews and never more than 10 before I start getting offers.
Its so validated to see so many terrible resumes. I can totally beat 50% by default.
I don't see it as a red flag. Its massive validation and job security for me tbh.
timconradinc@reddit
I always like the things on the resume that don't exist - like Windows 12 or whatever.
Or bizarrely simple things - or the opposite, other apps - red flag for me is always 'excel' - if you're a sysadmin, there's no expectation beyond regular excel. To me, if you put it on your resume, you should be able to tell me how to extract 'example' from www.example.com off the top of your head.
Interviewed one person that had 'dmesg' on their resume. A coworker took a quick look at the 'dmesg' man page and there was a single argument - -c to clear the logs. Asked candidate, they had no idea what it was.
nihility101@reddit
I think that is just an attempt to get past an HR keyword search. A lot of stuff is never seen because they never hit on the exact things being searched.
XB_Demon1337@reddit
While certainly people do have bad resumes, you getting offers after 10 applications doesn't automatically mean you have a great resume. I have had jobs after just 2 and only once did I need to go further. Does that automatically mean my resume is 10x better than yours? No. It means basically nothing. Someone was looking and found what they thought might be needed quickly. Simple as that.
While a trash resume might get far fewer offers, getting offers doesn't then automatically mean your resume is good.
itishowitisanditbad@reddit
You're right.
But it does mean your resume is likely not trash.
Also if a resume DOES get offers/hits etc then its hard to say it doesn't speak to its quality at all. At what point could you say a resume is good given its entire purpose, if not then?
If one has better results than the other - is that not the point you can say one is more 'good' than another?
Why are you allowed to say one is bad but you can't use the same information to say one is good?
Its all going off the original point but I am curious on that.
XB_Demon1337@reddit
Certainly someone could say my resume isn't trash. But my resume used to be in the wrong order and different from what most places expect, yet still I got offers quickly. So even a trash resume can get offers. I can say I have put alot of effort into my resume being friendly to read and understand. And yea, I list certain things on my resume that are not work related. Like being a coach and on the board for Little League, or for Archery Instructor for 4H. Because those things matter to me and it helps people humanize other humans more quickly.
Of course I would also agree some people make poor choices on their resume. Not everyone will have the same outlook those people do. Like you might not like Andrew Tate (and no one should to be clear) but I am quite sure some do. So they hold those things in higher status than others.
And being clear here. No one is saying your resume is good or bad. None of us have seen it likely. But clowning on people and then you making the claim of "validation" because you think offers automatically mean yours is the best is just silly at the very best.
mattjh@reddit
I think this comment is obnoxious. There is a way to express what you're saying, half of which I agree with, without simultaneously giving yourself oral.
itishowitisanditbad@reddit
Thats cool.
I'm still going to giggle at the people putting their barely passing metallurgy class from 1983 though.
Or their karate rank... from 10 years ago.
Or how they typo their own name.
Or how they have 8 pages and never describe anything they've done.
I'm still going to giggle.
If thats so offensive to you, thats ok. I'll live with that!
mattjh@reddit
Your comment that I responded to has nothing to do with giggling at mistakes on resumes, so that is clearly not why I think you're being obnoxious.
itishowitisanditbad@reddit
Its not punching down to look at a resume and go "Thats weird/dumb" when its a weird or dumb thing.
Its an observation.
The fact you came out of the blue, upset over what I said, and now insulting me calling me insecure? I don't know.
I don't think its me.
mattjh@reddit
I'm trying to talk about this comment specifically,, but you refuse to acknowledge it: https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/1syx4bn/comment/oixfgdi/
0verstim@reddit
Notice how you called out his self-aggrandizement then he replied saying he hadnt done that, and specifically let those parts out?
Then you criticized his wacky italics and bolding so his next reply didnt have any of that? I think you're healing this dude whether he realizes it or not 😄
Ecstatic_Score6973@reddit
are you one of those people who likes to start arguments as a hobby? you're overthinking the hell out of this
mattjh@reddit
I don't like it when sysadmins puff their chests talking about people who they think are stupid. A pet peeve built over decades.
Intrepid_Stock1383@reddit
I put my karate rank under skills, and then my cover letter just says, “Hiiiiii-YAH!!”
RickRussellTX@reddit
The reason you saw those resumes was that they got passed the automated keyword screening.
The nonsense is how they get past it.
Don’t hate the player, hate the game.
Ecstatic_Score6973@reddit
We didnt have keyword screening. They just printed out and gave me every resume they got. Sometimes it is the player and not the game.
RickRussellTX@reddit
But your applicants didn’t know that. They’re desperately trying to pierce the ATS filters because it’s all about keywords.
OneSeaworthiness7768@reddit
And the people who know how to do that while still making their resume sound like a real resume and not just a list of random keywords are more likely to fare better.
OneSeaworthiness7768@reddit
Honestly this is what I think about when I hear most people complain about not being able to find a job over a long period of time. Is the market tough, sure, but there are so many people that either don’t know or refuse to admit that their resume just isn’t very good and how much of an effect that has. That and their personality/interview skills, if they’re getting to the interview stage. But a poorly written resume hints at the kind of person they are before they even get to that point.
JVBVIV@reddit
To be fair, most of the time a resume has to pass through HR first. Because they lack technical knowledge, they are relying on keywords to sort through the resumes. “The hiring manager said to look for someone with X experience. I see here it says Y, so I will reject it” Even though X and Y are functionally equivalent.
picturemeImperfect@reddit
***65k jobs because a job is better than no job.
Apprehensive-Loss316@reddit
I’ve been in his position where I refused to take jobs that drastically undervalued my skills, and paid 40% less than I had made, even being out of work. Because once you take that kind of cut, getting back is damn near impossible.
Of course 2010 and 2026 are very different and my 30s vs 50s are too, so I doubt I would have the same I attitude about being exploited vs late life retraining. I’ve also continuously have expanded what I do in IT and saw the trends and shifted in skills and roles that I think will keep me employed
ilkinandr92@reddit
That’s exactly what I have done. Took a 30k pay cut but better than nothing honestly in this economy.
AllNerfNoBuff@reddit
I self-host reactive resume. It feels like a website builder, but for resumes. I like it a lot as my resumes come out faster and cleaner than if I used Microsoft Word. I am so done fighting word for formatting.
reserved_seating@reddit
I bought a very nice and professional resume template on Etsy for like $10. Plug and play from there. Keep short and keep it sweet.
che-che-chester@reddit
Job hunting is a multi-step process from writing your resume to your first day on the job. If you’re failing at the first couple of steps, it doesn’t matter if you’re great at in-person interviewing.
The IT job market sucks, but if an experienced candidate is getting no action whatsoever, there’s an issue on their end - resume sucks, applying to the wrong jobs, expecting too much money, etc. I would expect some level of success with at least getting call backs and phone interviews.
That’s not to say OP will get a job, but it feels like they should be failing later in the process.
Pale_Pause5224@reddit
The problem is every Sys Engineer who gets let go is going to try AI\LLM. It's good to learn a different skill that's unrelated for a backup. I do home inspections on the side. Not super lucrative right now, but I am seeing other things I could potentially get into from that line of work.
Moontoya@reddit
Setup your own msp
Start small, support a couple of small businesses, navigate them through proper dmarc / dim / SPF etc
Run some virtual servers for sage or compute heavy apps, lease access.
WDSTS@reddit
Quite simply; the job market is cooked right now. Thousands upon thousands of engineers from top companies are out of work. I don't think it is anything you're doing wrong to be honest.
ripvw32@reddit
It's the years of experience. Only out in your resume the last 5 to 10 tops. I changed mine in this way, after a literal 1k+ applications. About 2 weeks later I was interviewed and hired (contractor to perm). It made all the difference. As a matter of fact, the first interview they were shocked I had so much experience, and treated it like they were getting a bargin!
urbanflux@reddit
Continue to build relationships by staying within the community in some capacity. If you’re an isaca member, go to more events and network. Leveraging your network as much as possible will give you more opportunities.
Also, valid points on revamping your resume. I’ve reviewed over 600 applicants for 1 role and fatigue does set in. But an eye catching and well written one, I’d always take the time and think it through.
bmelancon@reddit
The first thing that came to mind is that it's ageism. I don't know whether or not it actually is, but I do know that a lot of companies would rather pay peanuts to someone fresh out of college than pay what someone with 30 years of experience is worth.
Try updating your resume to remove any dates or other clues to your age. Don't list any experience beyond the last 10 years.
dgillott@reddit (OP)
My resume only just tge last 10 yrs...im well aware of ageism and paying shit wages for college kids with student loans in 100s of k...I feel bad for them
bmelancon@reddit
I see farther down in other messages you already mentioned those things.
I feel bad for them... and us. I have a feeling I would have a hard time finding something now if I didn't already have a job. I've considered learning Cobol just because the college kids don't want to and they will still pay old geezers with Cobol skills lots of money.
dgillott@reddit (OP)
Yes im not going to lie...im pretty sure im not going to be able to do whatvi lived and loved to do. Yes I did learn cobol...in high school (1984)...I moved pass it. As now I.T. has moved passed me. Ill find something but.
Intelligent-Top-8465@reddit
I don't know what the geography is but FieldNation worked for some small one off gigs to keep you afloat
dgillott@reddit (OP)
Cool...thanks ill check it out. Appreciate you
Upper_Ad3478@reddit
You could teach
dgillott@reddit (OP)
This is why im looking for a tech position...I hate being in management and I can't teach. I'm a great mentor and provider but ...can't do it. I have done both. Thanks for the support
looney417@reddit
Remove your graduation date. Maybe make your experience look like you're peaking, but not peaked and falling. I don't think hiring managers wanna hire gen x. It's time for millennials to shine
dgillott@reddit (OP)
no offense dude....that was pathetic. I have worked with millennials and few warrant that type of respect or hope. My son who is one is probably the only one who has my respect as he has none of the personality attributes that gen shows. He actually can afford his house! peace!
looney417@reddit
No offense taken. But it's not about your experience working with millennials. It's about the hiring manager's perception of your resume. I'm under the impression they want someone who will stay for a good few years, isn't green but isn't a senior.
dgillott@reddit (OP)
100% percent correct. But my resume doesn't show anything more than 10yrs..including college. Thanks for the support
ShadowInReddit@reddit
I would say never be afraid to take a step back. I’ve gone up and down on the scale all day. If you need to go back to service level in order to get a paycheck. Then so be it.
kloudykat@reddit
Hit up a good college and look at their IT page, there will probably be a link to a career center and they post jobs there.
Like this
Valkeyere@reddit
One day ill go farm goats. One day.
CeC-P@reddit
Put things in your resume that you know they're looking for, whether they're true or not, and after interview 1 crash course it. That's what I did. Not having certs and having two 2-year degrees was getting HR and AI filtered so I added the phrase "credits are equivalent to an associates degree" so to have the phrase there and all of a sudden I was getting callbacks. The place I'm working at now described to the recruiter that I was "the best candidate they've ever interviewer or seen when it comes to qualifications and knowledge."
Yeah, I try harder than everyone. Good luck putting that on a resume and getting it past HR. So just lie. If you walked past a system running SAP at your brother's company, congrats, you've got SAP experience.
Known_Experience_794@reddit
If you have been in IT for ~30 years (same as me), then I assume you’re in your 50’s or close to it. While I’m fortunate enough to still be employed (for now), I worry what I will do when the axe falls on me. And my theory is that the biggest hurdle will be dealing with ageism, everywhere we look. I hope I’m wrong but IT has always been one of those fields where employers would rather hire new blood for the most part.
therankin@reddit
Especially considering the salary can be lowballed for younger hires.
CptBronzeBalls@reddit
Unfortunately, IT is a young person’s game. Ageism is illegal, nearly impossible to prove, and very prevalent.
machacker89@reddit
Don't get discards I've been out of work since June of last year. I haven't been able to find a full-time job since then but I've had some part-time stuff here and there like one day projects. Don't give up hope and keep fighting the good fight.
snebsnek@reddit
Electrician. In huge demand, involves a lot of problem solving and constraints.
unknwnerrr@reddit
Hell na I left electrical trades for IT. My neck was fucked from looking up at the ceilings all day installing shit , getting metals in my eyes, dry wallers almost killing me because theyre hungover, a building almost blowing up on me because of a gas leak, never being able to shit in a proper toilet, cold ass morning, grumpy old ass dudes, union political bullshit, work drying up then having to travel across state/country for work leaving the wife behind, having ex convicts as your coworkers, working with literal degenerates that are pedos, engineers not knowing what the fuck is going on, pm not knowing what the fuck is going on, getting yelled at by foremans, getting shit on my journeymen. It fucking sucked ass.
XB_Demon1337@reddit
I mean, you should be wearing safety glasses and should have a ladder or lift that gets you close to the thing you are working on. So these two problems are on you. Of course things happen on construction sites with dumb or low skilled workers, but IT is no different here.
unknwnerrr@reddit
I did wear safety glasses, but when you're drilling into some industrial metal using two hands to hold the drill to make sure your wrist doesn't get fucked up from all that torque.Of course, we used lifts to install EMT and equipment, but you need to review the blueprints and look up at the work to see what's going on. I know what the fuck I'm talking about and I still have my license too so don't try to school me on work safety or how to do trade work. I'm not shitting on the trades; I'm just highlighting the reality. To say IT work is no different is not correct. Your life is not on the line every day. The most dangerous part of IT is driving to work.
centpourcentuno@reddit
Don't bother defending yourself here. Average person on this sub has spent decades staring at a screen and has no idea about blue collar physical work
Its funny too coz now everyone screaming about going into the "trades" when most specifically got into IT because it was easy physically LOL
How quickly we forget
unknwnerrr@reddit
I love shitting on nerds so it's okay.
CuckBuster33@reddit
Blue collar work sounds fucking horrible. I hope the IT industry grows back from this disaster
unknwnerrr@reddit
It's super dangerous and your life is on the line every single day/moment. Some thrive, others sink. It's pay is good but I honestly make more than the union was offering.
Hot-Comfort8839@reddit
If I were 10-15 years younger - I would jump on this.
dgillott@reddit (OP)
Same...im 58 don't see it happening
bp332106@reddit
So wait you started in IT at AWS when you were 50? What did you do before that?
dgillott@reddit (OP)
No I started in it in 1993....went to college for computer sci etc.
bp332106@reddit
Oh you mentioned only doing systems engineering for 8 years. If I could be brutal for a second… someone who’s been in the game for 30+ years and has a degree should be extremely experienced and in a Staff+ engineering role. Companies will avoid someone who has tons of experience but only at a midrange level, because they assume you’ve checked out or stopped growing/learning. Based on some of your answers here, it sounds like you may have either hyper focused just the things AWS wanted you to work on. Unfortunately that sets you up for failure anywhere but AWS.
dgillott@reddit (OP)
I was on various teams and projects and was going after an L6 promo. Definitely not stagnant and definitely did not "Checked out" ....I laid off due to cost cutting in high cost center area such as NY. My Orgs lost everyone in NYC, Hyderabad, San Diego and several other places.
centpourcentuno@reddit
I hate to mention it....but ageism exists, especially in IT
I remember being on panel interviews and hiring manager remarking that he was concerned that a candidate might not be "available" for emergencies
Its the same prejudice held against parent with young kids, or pregnant women
dgillott@reddit (OP)
Oh I am well aware...trust me
XB_Demon1337@reddit
While mobility might be an issue for the older folks ( I am 35, so not an issue much for me) an electrician at 58 isn't impossible and honestly if you knew a decent bit already and could stomach the work (I don't touch electricity) then it wouldn't actually be that bad.
uptimefordays@reddit
If you look at the actual data electricians and similar trades really don't make that much money compared to systems administration. Sure, electricians or plumbers who own their own businesses might make low six figures ($100-150k), but they also aren't tradies--they own and run businesses which is a lot more headache than keeping a kubernetes cluster healthy.
Folks love talking about how good the money in the trades is but the data just doesn't seem consistent with the anecdotes.
picturemeImperfect@reddit
running your business in any business field is different than being a workhorse to an employer.
uptimefordays@reddit
Yes, absolutely, and I think that’s a critical distinction folks often overlook when saying “my buddy who’s a plumber makes $200k a year!” While ignoring the part where their buddy owns a plumbing business. I have a side business providing consulting services, it’s very different than just being an engineer!
snebsnek@reddit
No, I agree. The money is good, it isn't great, and it's certainly not AWS money.
Hot_Direction7888@reddit
They start of with low pay. Really low
draggar@reddit
Yep - my son in law is an electrician and in the beginning his pay sucked but now he's on his own and making good money.
Plus, you get to know other tradespeople in the area and barter a lot of work (and he gets to know the good tradespeople).
snebsnek@reddit
Same as any job of that type, get certified, get some experience, then form your own company. The pay for single-person-as-a-company electricians is quite reasonable at the moment
CaptainSlappy357@reddit
30 years' experience? 8 of those at Amazon? 1000s of applications with no results?
Your resume sucks and you're bad at selling yourself. Get help from professionals for both.
twisymctwist@reddit
Such a great motivational speaker.
Bravo... 👏
CaptainSlappy357@reddit
Motivation is not my concern. OP asked for input. This is obvious input.
wild-hectare@reddit
broaden your search parameters / roles....you know far more about IT Risk Management than you may think and your technical skills are a plus in those roles
willdeleteacct1year@reddit
Electrician / specially instrumentation electrician, then focus on the programming end of PLCs / a lot of cross over between that job and IT work.
Most of the first IT people in industrial corporations were all electricians back in the day who got forced into the IT role when IT became massive and mandatory for industrial work.
Tall_Significance294@reddit
These posts really make me question my professional choice lol
Leg0z@reddit
These posts haven't phased me since 2010 when the absolute bottom fell out of the tech job market. It's bad right now, but it's not nearly as bad as 2008 - 2012. Thank God we still hadn't shipped all of the tech support call centers overseas at that point, or I would've starved to death.
dgillott@reddit (OP)
Same
oaomcg@reddit
"30 years of experience" is a red-flag
Age discrimination is a thing even if it isn't supposed to be. Truncate your resume and remove dates like college graduation.
twisymctwist@reddit
^ This right here.
Decantus@reddit
I've been watching a lot of car youtubers talk about EVs and repairs... I'm kinda considering my fall back to be an EV Mechanic. Between all the software updates and hardware swaps, IT should be fairly transferable.
edu4rdshl@reddit
Goose farmer
realmozzarella22@reddit
Goose analyst to begin with then work your way up to goose engineer.
WhereDidThatGo@reddit
My recommendation for your resume: edit it to make yourself look younger. Hopefully you don't smoke and your voice doesn't sound too old.
If you have dates on your resume for when you went to school, take the dates off. Just say "BA/BS in whatever", and list the school, but don't like the dates.
Also trim your job history so it doesn't go back as far. Maybe 20 years tops, maybe not even. If you have 30 years of experience, I'm assuming you're in your 50s, and unfortunately ageism is real in this industry.
deanmass@reddit
Make some biz cards and start visiting doc/dentist offices offering hourly IT help. Look spiffy and be polite. There is work out there. Keep putting out resumes in the meantime.
Welding is NOT that hard and so many places teach for free. Electrical especially low voltage wiring are also sort of ties ins to IT if you angle correctly. Sign up to pull cable for someone then start doing it on your own.
deanmass@reddit
To the person who commented 'grey beards don't pull cable'
Yer right- we get yer mom to do it for us.
😄
Excellent-Program333@reddit
Man. You are sending him to the dungeons! Docs/ Dentists are the WORSE! And is grey beards cant pull cable! Thats a young mans sport.
draggar@reddit
When I was RIF'ed and unemployed for a year I signed up to be a substitute teacher. It was per-diem but I took almost all calls that I got and it helped, a lot.
This could help until you find full time employment.
tekalon@reddit
In this post, a number of responses mentioned that substitute slots have been disappearing or there is competition for the roles.
Zoltech06@reddit
Can you weld? I'm thinking about going to a night class and making that my backup plan.
pdp10@reddit
The very-new laser welders are looking to impact the highly-skilled TIG industry like nothing else in the last sixty years, I think.
hotfistdotcom@reddit
I'm in the exact same boat, buddy. This job market is a catastrophe.
SpaceGuy1968@reddit
If it wasn’t about the money, being a college professor would be a great path. With your years of experience, you could probably pick up adjunct work as soon as next semester.
With 30 years in the field, the younger generation could really benefit from what you know — even if some of them might see you as a “boomer” or a little out of touch at first.
I’ve been doing IT for 30+ years myself, and honestly, I only have a few more years of this kind of work left in me. I told someone today that I have fewer working years ahead of me than fingers on one hand.
I started in 1991 and I feel like I am done ..
shootingdolphins@reddit
We are too old to switch to blue collar like a trade school or iron working. That's how I feel at 40 watching the layoffs left and right.
Are you able to follow directions, read diagrams, have general basic plumbing or electrical knowledge? Do you own any tools at home? Form an LLC - general handyman stuff. Most USA locations don't need terrible licensing or permitting if you stay away from the kind of job that need permitting. I setup mine last year when things looked dark in my ecosystem. Maybe $2500-3000 in between LegalZoom and insurance and I have county tax permits in 4 areas around me. I don't advertise and I don't post on FB or Nextdoor. Just word of mouth, a business card and doing the right thing each time for a fair price.
Legit if you can youtube, turn a wrench, google things and use basic hand tools - the Boomers will pay to have blinds installed or a ceiling fan replaced or gutters cleaned or their lawn mowed etc. I was helping friends and family with these kinds of small projects anyways, might as well be legit on paper. There's money to be made in the suburbs and more money to be made for people who are out in the boonies and can't get someone to come work a half day.
I see that as the light-at-the-end-of-my-tunnel as remote work and consulting and automation landscapes change drastically.
kovaxmasta@reddit
Average rate for a handyman in the US is around $60/hr, nothing to sneeze at
centpourcentuno@reddit
Thats if you can get jobs. Everytime someone asks for a handyman on Nextdoor, dozens reply with seconds. You need to accept gutter pay to even be seen
Ironically same thing happening with regular job postings now
shootingdolphins@reddit
And for stuff like sliding doors being sticky, small painting projects, golf cart repairs and diagnosis - I've collected the tools, I've got the skills and the suburbs are booming.
dgillott@reddit (OP)
Yeah I am too old. Although I have worked as a plumbers slave and an electrical apprentice...did wiring and cabling jobs early on to learn the stuff. It wasnt for me thats why I got into IT
shootingdolphins@reddit
Comes full circle I guess
AwalkertheITguy@reddit
County tax permits in 4 counties? Did you have to apply within each county?
shootingdolphins@reddit
Yes in Florida it's a Per County and often Per City thing. I need a Hillsborough County Permit for unincorporated county but also a City of Tampa tax license thing if I do work in the City limits. It's been a fun learning experience but finally an excuse for more tools and more 4am videos on how AC and water softeners and other things work as I skill up.
AwalkertheITguy@reddit
Interesting. Ive got 2 brothers in Miami and Orlando. But oddly enough I've never thought to ask them about their licensing situation.
Thanks for the info.
brakertech@reddit
Dude IAM and AI are hot right now
dgillott@reddit (OP)
What do you mean local groups? I am curious
brakertech@reddit
For me I goto OWASP meetups or other cyber security related ones
dgillott@reddit (OP)
Ahhh ok cool
dgillott@reddit (OP)
I know...ive seen a lot and working on it
anonymousITCoward@reddit
you don't need to be proficient at welding... goats are basically lawnmowers that you can get milk and make cheese from.
Purplehashes@reddit
military
Excellent-Program333@reddit
At 50? Wth
Hurri1cane1@reddit
Automation and Telemetry for factories or oil field. I actually did this well before I was dedicated IT, and honestly the cross over of skills are like 80%.
Lemmealonepl0x@reddit
I get the impression that most of the people responding in this threat haven't been looking for a job in the last two years.
Fallingdamage@reddit
Well, going into my mid 40's, I have always thought that jobs in logistics or technical project management would probably not be too bad for me. I enjoy all the fast moving parts and I'm used to herding cats for a living.
OneSeaworthiness7768@reddit
This would probably be better served on r/ITCareerQuestions but my question to you is as a syseng, is your experience pretty generalized or did you specialize in anything? I feel like people with very broad/general experience are having a tougher time in the current market than those who can specialize in something. I would try to focus on a niche or highlight something specific.
Since you said you have like 30 years in the field, I’m guessing you’re around 50ish? Does your resume hint at your age? I’d try to edit it in a way that doesn’t give that away. Only use the last 10 years or so of job experience. Don’t put a graduation date for education.
BoilerroomITdweller@reddit
I had a temp employee who was applying for his own job permanently that we had written the job description for. He had done the job for 6 months (20 years experience) and probably is one of the most intelligent technical intelligent brains I know. His resume didn’t even make the first pass through the HR flagging system. We had to cancel and repost and help him with the resume.
Despite the work if you want to make it through the flags you need to word your resume to match the exact qualifications listed on the job requirements.
opti2k4@reddit
What were you working on in amazon and what was your salary?
dgillott@reddit (OP)
I was in corporate or what they called EE Enterprise Engineering handling internal stuff. MS based...exchange, SharePoint, one drive. Ad....went from all on prem stuff to azure
opti2k4@reddit
So basically regular sysadmin job at MSP is what you are looking at unfortunately. I don't think you will be able find in house IT at that salary at current market state.
dgillott@reddit (OP)
No I am working on LLM\AI and a move to container\Kubernetes etc. I am staying away from MSP. I can also handle Cloud infrastructure AWS-AZURE stuff.
opti2k4@reddit
Something is wrong then if you can't land AI/ML/Platform job.
dgillott@reddit (OP)
I agree...hence the upskilling I have been going for in the last two months also looking at updating the cloud certs
dgillott@reddit (OP)
Yeah i know...went down that road already i worked for MSPs in early 2000s ...in interchange, Wallstreet and hedgefunds. The worst
NotTodayGlowies@reddit
I thought you were basically DevOps or SRE given that you worked at Amazon. That's just a standard SysAdmin job description.
Have you looked at local government, schools, or libraries? The pay is going to suck, but you typically get decent benefits and retirement.
Otherwise, I would say you either pivot to management or upskill. Most places want DevOps / SRE skills, even if it isn't in the title. IaC, K8s, Observability, CI/CD, etc.
Alternatively, since you've completed a migration from on-prem AD to Entra, maybe look into Identity Engineering and get very familiar with service principals, IAM roles / policies, and SAML/SSO.
In the current paradigm, you need to specialize rather than generalize, at least that's been my experience. Your run-of-the-mill, do-it-all, wears a dozen hats SysAdmin is being offshored and outsourced like crazy in larger enterprises.
thortgot@reddit
I imagine part of this is that people aren't looking to pay for senior engineer rates for you.
Not the easiest thing to accept, but it is dramatically easier than switching careers.
The other option is to specialize in a tech trend. Example local LLM deployment and architecture. There is a huge demand for this at the moment.
dgillott@reddit (OP)
I saw that too and that has been part of my work in trying to re-develop the skills
thortgot@reddit
I imagine your comfortable with containers, cloud infrastructure and similar aspects. None of the technology is that esoteric.
dgillott@reddit (OP)
Containers I admit I am light on only had one opportunity a year plus ago to work on at work, Cloud infrastructure isnt a problem AWS - AZURE was the latest as Amazon is migrating. Lost of great exposure. I want to focus a bit more on LLM\AI\ ETC and containers and maybe kuberneties more. But went the route of more linux, python to sure up the base skills etc.
thortgot@reddit
AWS bedrock is pretty straightforward as is Azure Foundry.
Go take build something, grab a couple of certs and then land the job.
DramaticTechnician23@reddit
This post inspired me to get off the pot and start working on AI before 9 today! Won't help you but my 51 year old ass who can't get out of bed unless I feel like it is motivated to not get RIFd!
dgillott@reddit (OP)
Glad it was inspiration!!!
dgillott@reddit (OP)
I'm 58, was doing AI stuff at Amazon before the rif...there are days I can't get my ass out of bed. But still trying to figure out what I want to do when I grow up. Get going and sharpen the skill set!!
DramaticTechnician23@reddit
I'm 51 but as healthy as a retiree in a senior center. Thankfully I'm in a red state working for a small company (for now) and my new boss is a really nice guy... (He won't last the decade but if he does I'm good to go!)
JVBVIV@reddit
Quite frankly you could be running into agism. If you have been in IT for thirty years, people are going to assume you are ~50 years old. Getting a new job over 50 is notoriously difficult. People assume you are a dinosaur who isn’t up on the hip new trends. Sure, you may have stayed current, but people tend to read the list of positions and do the math without reading the detail under the heading.
There can also be a problem of what the market conditions are in your area. If you have been RIF’d, how many other people have been as well. So it isn’t just you that is looking for a position, but many other people. Your resume might be technically correct and well formatted, but still fairly generic. So there is nothing to make you stand out from the pile.
You could also be applying to the wrong jobs. If you were a senior, and are applying to lower level jobs people will hold that against you. They assume you will not stick around or are otherwise tainted for going for the “lesser” position. The converse can also be true, you are not as senior as you believe and are applying for jobs “above” you.
At last, there is a chance those jobs you applied to were never really there. Companies have been known to post a position on the job boards just to see what is out there. Or the position was filled already but the VP’s nephew but they had to post it anyway.
sdrawkcabineter@reddit
Impossible. You were an independent contractor and/or entrepreneur.
Brather_Brothersome@reddit
Get yourself a book on data science read it and be amazed how much that is in need right now.
dgillott@reddit (OP)
Any recommendations??
Brather_Brothersome@reddit
this one with your background it'll be an easy read. cheers.
dgillott@reddit (OP)
Great ...thank you
Alarmed-Quarter3934@reddit
Public water works. The certification process can be more of a pain than IT certs. A class C (depending on state) requires experience and or college. It's a lot of work for someone not used to it. My water district asked me to do it cuz no one else would/could.
I still get to work on computers (no one else can) plus I get to give back to my community in a real way. I was surprised just how much the 2 overlap. Automation via radio uplink, back ups and backup systems. Like doing AV work, it's all in the prep time.
Keep people healthy and clean while keeping overhead low.
23 years IT experience, 10 years healthcare sys security admin.
Current sole water operator for my whole district.
KillingTime1212@reddit
Blackjack dealer. No on call.
IndependentBat8365@reddit
Have you looked at sales? I’m a sales engineer. It’s a pre-sales technical role. My role is to listen for and understand the goals of the customer, identify gaps where our technology will help, and then persuade them to give it a chance using presentations, demos, and POCs.
I also spend time thinking of new ways to communicate our complexity into easier to digest formats, sometimes even crafting entirely new taking points to directly address my customers way of thinking about their problems.
I’ll invent new ways of combining our tooling into stories and use cases that I feel matter to the folks I’m taking to. It’s a demo, but it’s a story and hopefully it’s a story that my customer recognizes in their own organization and can relate to.
A lot of what I do is driven from my own 30+ years of experience, because believe it or not: while the paint is new on the new tools, and the modern processes have new names, the gears and cogs behind the scene are still the same. Customers run into the same issues. They feel the same pain.
Anyways. With your experience at Amazon, and probably AWS, you would have a lot of valuable experience for a pre-sales team that focuses on anything like cloud, highly scaled infra, storage, high performance networking, and probably even databases, CRM, or monitoring and visibility.
Any of those industries would love to have your experience on their team.
The only issue is that you’ll have to public speak, communicate your ideas effectively, and have a lot of customer empathy (instead of saying “oh that’s a dumb way of doing it” say “oh, that’s a unique way I haven’t seen before!”)
In all honesty, pre-sales is the best job I’ve ever had. I get to play with tech, tinker with hardware, and I’m not on-call. A sale is great, but I get a lot of pride knowing that a customer is using something I sold them to make their business grow and the individuals work easier. I can point to it and say: I had a part of that.
ProfessionalEven296@reddit
I'm not looking for a new job, but this is very tempting! :D Great writeup.
ProfessionalEven296@reddit
Look at technical presales - pick a product you've got experience in, and reach out to the vendor. Someone who'd been on the sharp end will always be appreciated by the clients.
Prepped-n-Ready@reddit
Accounting and accounting systems are pretty easy for the IT mind. Then you can pivot to be more strategic.
kremlingrasso@reddit
I would try application support for some IT related application, like servicenow or jira or sccm and such. Any other on-prem application, especially if it's oracle backend. But servicenow support is still in big demand. Same for current big data lake solutions.
IT Service Management roles like incident management, change management, project management, asset management. Data analysis roles of the same.
Having IT ops experience in those roles is a huge plus, lot of people there who lack the knowledge of what they are supposed to be talking about.
When everything else fails, learn SAP. It's a highly specialized knowhow and everywhere I been had struggle filling very well paid senior roles and willing to compromise on experience.
Techdude_Advanced@reddit
Have someone review or rewrite your resume.
UninvestedCuriosity@reddit
Much in the same situation and 20 years in but not Amazon. Can't move right now and geography hasn't offered a lot of options. So opportunity has been like 4 positions in total.
I've done hiring, wife has as well. So resume isn't the problem for me. There just hasn't been hardly any job posts for i.t people. They keep posting director level with 5 pmj certifications and university masters. I've got a college diploma and I'm working on ITIL right now as I noticed that is pretty commonly requested.
When I speak to people, they all tell me what a disaster their i.t is at work and how they need more people. I've never had a gap like this before in my life or this much difficulty. Actually this is the first time in applying to multiple places. I always have something lined up before the previous thing ends but I got blindsided by finance this time.
ComparisonFunny282@reddit
I went through this at the beginning of the year: Senior IT Specialist (desktop - infrastructure and everything in between). Major company moving all field IT to a 3rd party. 8 years at this company, former IT Manager at another, 20 years experience. Updated my resume, cut it down from 2 pages to 1. Updated all the experience into breakdown of projects and the impact they made. Last day was Jan. 9th and started at a new company by Feb. 18th. I start looking in mid November after the announcement of the layoffs. I made it my job to find a job: up at 9 scoured Indeed, ZipRecruiter, LinkedIn, connected with old colleagues. I did everything I could possibly do to get my foot in the door somewhere. It started with the updated, modern IT resume.
shepdog_220@reddit
I had to go back to the service desk after waiting for another sysadmin gig for 7 months. Wound up not being a huge paycut and they're already talking about bringing me up to a sysadmin for them again
benuntu@reddit
Could be that you're looking at higher paying jobs than you have the experience for. The market is soft right now, so you may need to adjust your pay expectations downward a bit. Just as a test, apply for some lower level jobs that you're overqualified for and see what the results are. My guess is you'll get a few hits.
No_Promotion451@reddit
Refine your cv Perhaps reach out and apply to jobs in other fields
HoldingFast78@reddit
When you apply are you fitting the resume to the job posting? I am hiring for Google Chrome admins, I have a large number of people applying and saying they have worked in it, but not 1 resume out of 180 actually show the experience anywhere in it.
ABirdJustShatOnMyEye@reddit
You are going to get way more return on improving your resume or upskilling on an in-demand technology. I would recommend this for a new grad, let alone someone with your experience.
The people suggesting trades or completely different fields are genuinely insane. 30 years of IT experience is 10x more valuable than your average electrician, you just need to market yourself better.
XB_Demon1337@reddit
You might actually be quite surprised how much an electrician can make compared to a highly skilled IT person. I know MULTIPLE electricians who cleared 180k+ year over year because they applied themselves and knew the codes and how things should be setup. It took them less than 2 years to get to that point as well as electricity isn't like computing. We know things can look right and work wrong due to so many factors. But electricity is electricity. It is either connected or it isn't. Not until you get to the REALLY high end stuff do physics start to have problems.
Heck a linemen can get certified in a year and be making 120k/yr after that easily. And that kind of work will always have a demand.
ABirdJustShatOnMyEye@reddit
The trade off is that it is physically demanding work with long hours. You also listed some pretty big outliers - average electrician salary in the U.S. is around 60k.
Either way, 30 years of IT experience should command at LEAST 200k. Especially if you have FAANG experience which OP does.
For reference, I’m salaried at 160k in a LCOL area as a cyber security engineer with only 4 years of sysadmin experience. OP either stagnated heavily for 28 years or he has the worst resume formatting of all time.
XB_Demon1337@reddit
I would believe they were outliers if I didn't know SEVERAL of those people. Because I have been involved with new constructions and new buildouts easily 50 times over the last 5-10 years I have met alot of electricians and GCs. Some still call on me when their tenant needs something. I am certainly not saying ALL electricians will make that 180k+. But that instead it is quite fruitful if you can manage to make it work. And it doesn't take a long time to get there if you are dedicated to the task to get the higher pay.
I don't disagree that 30 years should mean something. But there are a great number of factors that could be affecting this. Maybe they do have some of the right experience. But is that enough if 25 of their 30 years was just resetting passwords? Not saying OP has done this of course, but we only know a small amount about OP. But further, this is just an option for an alternative. Not a demand to go into the trade that is an electrician or others.
Heck I know a really good plumber that makes easily $600 a day 4 days a week. That is just for his service call. Not including materials. He is also self employed.
All of these things depend on the need near you. I am sure if I were near the bigger places for IT I could make easily way more. But again, it could just be a bad resume.
DahJimmer@reddit
Possibly relevant? https://www.reddit.com/r/LifeProTips/s/GRcXNfNXde
IndependentBat8365@reddit
This is great! So simple, yet effective!
dgillott@reddit (OP)
Thanks ill check
Slmmnslmn@reddit
Check medical simulation. It has lots of emerging technology, AV, networking, some light mechanical work, its a an emerging field itself, and still finding its legs. I know I got my job when all my peers were trying and failing to get into IT/Networking.
dgillott@reddit (OP)
Good point.
Slmmnslmn@reddit
I was trying at my local university and this had been open for months. If you are curious you probably want to look into the Sim Operations side of things.
dgillott@reddit (OP)
Yeah I have seen the terminology just really dont know much about it. I ll check it out
jwalker107@reddit
I'd start off by asking "do you love this field"? Because I think the days of treating it as "just a job" are quickly passing. Between the market shrinking as a whole, the top earners getting ever more competitive, and the AI making the bottom tier support passable, I think the "knowledgeable, but comfortable" middle is going to be squeezed.
I still love the field, but at 50, I think if my current devops stuff dries up I'm probably moving on to realty or business management or something.
dgillott@reddit (OP)
Yes I do love the work ...and my last place I had a great team. Probably one of the best I ever worked with but I agree maybe a TPM spot of other business management. But I have always wanted to stay technical and dont think I can any more. I am developing new skill, reading more etc. I am going to keep trying
badboybilly42582@reddit
I saw that you are 58? Are employers able to figure out your age from your resume? Does it have the year you graduated college (if you went)? Do you have your full employment history on your resume. Those are two easy ways to figure out a persons age.
Reason I mention this is at your age, you're not far away from when people start to retire. If hiring managers can figure out your age from your resume, they may be concerned about you retiring in a couple of years and are passing on you because of that.
Just a theory I'm tossing out there for consideration.
dgillott@reddit (OP)
I only have 10 yrs history on the resume, College history has no dates on it and I use a 10 yr old pic on linkedin. My resume is barely two pages but extensive. Age is Definity a consideration espically on the video interview when they see the white hair. So that is always on my mind.
Cmd-Line-Interface@reddit
this was my thought too, when he said 30yrs.
G-Style666@reddit
Day trade and still do IT.
AwalkertheITguy@reddit
You can become a Dell, Xerox, Lenovo, or HP certified tech. The trick is, you need to work for 2 companies if possible. I only know 2 people that do it because scheduling is hellacious. But they go around to different places that do not have in-house "fix it" techs and replace whatever or recover data, swap drives, deploy new set ups. You can earn the certs. Im not sure about the whole process but Dell has newer server/edge certs that seem interesting.
Also, there is front-end sales engineering.
Jr Project management.
Loudergood@reddit
Field nation pays more money than that.
dgillott@reddit (OP)
I'm familiar with it was Dell, emc,hp certified 20 yrs ago cuz the MSPs need cert guys to stay affiliated. ..I dude the replacement work. It sucked
AwalkertheITguy@reddit
Its a bit different now. I did some work a few years ago and I still do some one offs. Its a lot more set and forget now than it was around 2000-2007ish.
Although the amount of tools that the job asks for but dont require is ridiculous.
Weekly_Incident_920@reddit
don't give up on IT yet. Have someone impartial review your resume. There could be red flags. Trim down your employment history if it makes your age too obvious. Remove dates from your education section. Remove technologies that are no longer relevant and don't be afraid to list ones that are hot even if you only touched it a little bit.
Instead of focusing on lists of job openings by role/category, instead search specific companies that peak your interest and look at recent openings there. I had more luck with responses and interviews that way.
theMightBoop@reddit
Look into goat farming
https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/4l7kjd/found_a_text_file_at_work_titled_why_should_i/
ReptilianLaserbeam@reddit
I guess coking from Amazon can place your profile on an "overqualified" position in front of other candidates. Or you are expecting to be paid on a higher bracket than the current market and that's why they are ghosting you. What about going into consultancy?
WRB2@reddit
The biggest thing is keep brushing up on your skills. Set up a couple of different AI environments at home on a PC or better yet a Mac mini. Do not sit around and let your skills grow stale extend your capabilities and your experience.
A friend of mine took this advice and spent about the same amount of time with no luck finding a job and turned it around after two months of getting certifications from Google from AWS from Microsoft.
You need something to set you apart from all the other great people who have been RIFed or redundant-sized or laid off, we’re just fired for no reason at all. Showing potential employers that you’re not sitting still is something that someone will find very interesting.
I wish I had a magic bullet for all of us who are out of work. This is just a real hard time in the world and it’s not just in the US. It’s everywhere.
Best of luck
DaarthSpawn@reddit
Computer forensics, Legal tech, Analyst
AnythingGuilty5411@reddit
Claude can make you a class a resume. Upload your existing one, upload the job resume, and give it a plus prompt. I’ve ALWAYS tailored my resumes to the position. I’m not lying, I’m just adding highlighted skills and removing redundant ones.
Just got a job as a sr solutions architect.. submitted my resume to three top tier companies and got calls back on all of them. Went through the rounds until I withdrawed on two and accepted an offer.
bcharp82@reddit
Drive truck. Switch to healthcare.
doctorevil30564@reddit
I interviewed once for a desktop support position with Amazon. Worst dang interview I have ever had to suffer through, guy interviewing me had such a thick accent it wasn't funny, and for a desktop support position they are crazy for what they were wanting for the skillet based on the technical questions. I wound up ending the interview early, wasn't worth what they were wanting to pay. Kudos to you man for being able to work for them. I hope wherever you land is a much better gig than working for Amazon....
dgillott@reddit (OP)
Yeah i know 8 yrs the process was fuckin brutal
doctorevil30564@reddit
Like others have said. You should hire a company to help revamp your resume and linked in profile. I lost a job back in 2022 when my boss found out I had been actively looking to jump ship for a better gig, and lucky for me I had just had my resume and LinkedIn profile revamped I got a job offer the next day after he fired me. Much better place, I'm still there.
dgillott@reddit (OP)
I have ...a recruiter from Amazon who felt bad after I posted on LinkedIn help me make it usable and I got alot of hits after that
unknwnerrr@reddit
Only put your last job and your degree, and nothing else, to make it seem you are younger than you are. Also, use hiring.cafe, that's how I landed my new role. If you want to post your resume here for feedback, go for it.
roger_27@reddit
You know when Dell or Xerox sends a tech out to replace a motherboard or fix the printer ? You can apply to be one of those guys. I don't know where to go for that but it's pretty cool, they tell you your list of printers to fix for the day and you just drive around and replace drums and whatnot. Whatever you don't finish you just do tomorrow...
Honestly that's my semi-retirement job plan.
TechGjod@reddit
Goat farming
peacelovecommunity@reddit
It's cut throat out there but dont give up, if you have the passion for it and the will then you will find a way.
These jobs are flooded with resumes so it's hard to stand out just by sending your resume and chances are that you just get filtered out by HR before you even reach the hiring manager.
If you haven't already been doing so, I recommend calling and trying to get in front of to hiring manager directly, sometimes its just about talking to the right person and showing some initiative.
Komputers_Are_Life@reddit
Probably be a pay cut from Amazon but I cleared 70k last year working as IT in the recycling industry.
Metal scrap and electronics recycling is really big business right now. Lots of big and small companies need help with infrastructure and tech support around me.
Hot-Comfort8839@reddit
Hiring.cafe is your friend.
ctbjdm@reddit
I'd say consider what your interests are, possibly tangentially related to systems engineering. Maybe low voltage electrical, home automation, home computer/technology consulting (for the well-to-do? depends where you are), technology sales?