No, only the front air stairs are integrated. They often put external air stairs onto the back though.
Source: have stood on external air stairs similarly close to the horizontal stabilizer when boarding a Ryanair flight more than once.
As someone who loves the show, how could you possibly watch every episode and think that pilots are infallible? Or that they don’t get pushed to fly unsafe planes to keep the airline making money?
The industry safety record is amazing. But there’s a reason they have stuff to cover on the show.
It's ryanair..... they're not fixing cosmetic stuff. This is the airline that legit investigated if you could have 'standing seats' to cram more people onto a plane.
One would think if this plane has been flying around for a year like this, OP really thinks not a single one of the thousands of LAMEs and pilots doing pre-flights did anything about it.
This gets reposted by many facebook pages because it grabs attention and makes them money from ad revenue.
The writer is not genuine, it’s written to get people commenting
Yep- this specific post, word for word, has been reposted on these ‘dull men’ facebook groups for a year or two now. It’s almost certainly bot-posted engagement bait at this point.
If we have bots posting engagement bait
And we have bots commenting on engagement bait
Do we have bots pointing out the bot-comments and the bot-posts and the bot-bait?
I always thought if any airline company ever offered standing room tickets, I'd be absolutely shocked but if Ryanair offered it, I wouldn't even bat an eye.
I've seen people be absolutely furious about that possibility, but I'd 100% be very glad to pay like just 5€ for a 30min flight (but even up to 1h) even if i had to stand the whole time. Literally an air bus .
Because if the plane starts to crash or if it rolls or yaws it’s a lot harder to keep a standing human alive then a sitting one who’s already closer to brace position and the CoG of the plane.
Also if you do roll, what’s gonna happen when everyone’s packed like cattle? It’ll be a stampede
I'd almost prefer that compared to the rock hard seats on many of these cheap airlines. Why bother sitting down if it's just going to be on a shitty nearly-plastic seat? If they won't give us decent seats, I'd rather something like a standing roller coaster harness with the option to take some weight off on a sort of bike saddle, but otherwise I just lean back standing up.
I remember when O’Leary had talked about this a few years ago. There was public outrage. Then he went on an interview and said something along the lines of “If I remove the last 5 rows of seats, replace them with standing seats, and sell them for 1€, I can guarantee you I’ll sell out all the standing spaces before I’ve sold a single real seat” (paraphrasing, but you get the gist). Honestly for a quick hop, it’s really not the worst idea. Wouldn’t fly a long route like that though
O’Leary has already said for years he is wanting to do this by removing the back 5 rows of seats. Has also said he’d like to charge to use the toilets and once said he’d offer blowjobs on flights if allowed. Although it wasn’t clear if he’d be the one personally performing these.
On top of that he’s advocated for one pilot with no copilot on shorter flights, with a member of cabin crew performing the copilots duties.
I think the real issues with stuffing a plane would be the safety and regulatory ones that come from evacuations and turbulence. It is clear that he's willing to cut service if it benefits the company's sales though.
O’Leary has already said for years he is wanting to do this by removing the back 5 rows of seats. Has also said he’d like to charge to use the toilets and once said he’d offer blowjobs on flights if allowed. Although it wasn’t clear if he’d be the one personally performing these.
He says those things for the free marketing, because every news and social media spam farm repeat him when he does it.
Charging for the toilets is so that there can be only one toilet and thus you can fit a few more rows of seats ~~reducing everyone’s ticket fare~~ increasing profits.
Ryanair is the one company I would trust to actually drive the business of stuffing as many people in the planes to decrease the unit cost (while ofc making more total money)
If they were the most autonated Airbus models flying into the top airports this might be safe. If you would have mentioned 2 pilots in 1960 you'd probably be considered crazy.
I think it is a fact at this point that automation is far better than humans. I just finished two of the "air disasters" series and the mistakes are nothing short of amazing. Kudos to Airbus for their pushing automation back when.
Most of the terrible accidents would have been avoided by the very simplest of tech. The Canary Island mess - could have been avoided (off the top of head here) by.
1. A laser that shoot out the front of the place confirming the runway is clear. Same laser would be active as plane rolled.
2. A fail-safe software lock which the ATC has to activate before a plane can actually take off.
The one accident (Widebody in the Everglades) seriously went down due to checking and fiddling with a 20 cent green indicator bulb.
Since we now know (?) that the best tech also tends to make pilots accustomed to the best tech, we might as well go all the way. A remote pilot w/full control capabilities, in automated new aircraft, would seem to be capable of landing.
Obviously this doesn't apply to every aircraft or every airport. But Humans have limitations....not Pilot Errors, just limitations and we are subject to so many forces that an automated system or even a remote pilot would not be.
You’ve written an awful lot on automation there so I think it’s just worth pointing out as I said above, his suggestion is a member of cabin crew steps in to carry out the duties of the copilot.
No automation, just a less qualified human who is already on board doing it in order to cut the costs associated with paying a second pilot.
I always thought if any airline company ever ~~offered standing room tickets~~ duct taped passengers to the wings, I'd be absolutely shocked but if Ryanair offered it, I wouldn't even bat an eye.
But ryanair is honest about it, they just give you a random seat, follow the rules and you get to fly for cheap. No wishywashy promises about level of service or great food or anything that will anyways not be met. Just get from a to b for as cheap as possible. Love it.
Ok, so I’m gonna disagree a bit here. Ryanair frequent flier. I also can’t eat gluten. They reliably have a gluten free meal option and it’s good for airline food.
They also have the single best app I’ve ever used of any airline. It just works. I understand this is because they “dog food”; O’Leary uses it to book flights.
You've never flown air indigo lol. Or biman airlines.
There are plenty of airlines out there that don't meet the safety standards to even fly to Europe. Indian planes crash all the time, but they're cheap and there's 1.6billion indians so they don't care.
In the air disasters series I am reading it was a regular thing (1960).....
"one of the passengers, Susie Q,, had a sister who died in a plane crash a year earlier. As the plane taxied out they passed the burnt out hull of another airliner that had crashed and burnt the week before"......
Maybe it's me, but I wouldn't fly given those basic odds. If you know a couple people killed in airliner crashes.....that's too many. AND, if hulks of crashed airliners are at an airport, it's not good.
I think with Ryanair, a lot of people secretly (and wrongly but that's beside the point) assume they must be cutting corners so an accident would be like "I knew it all along!" and the it-was-just-matter-of-time narrative would more easily snowball out of control. With an airline that isn't viewed that way to begin with an accident is more like "that sucks but they did everything they could, accidents happen, I still trust them".
Hence they invested a lot into quick turn around maintenance. They only fly one type of plane (lauda airlines wetleases airbusses). Making maintenance much simpler than other airlines. Plenty of spare parts can be ordered and stored with discounts. Engineers only have to know one type.
Its all about scale. The quicker the turn around, on the grand scheme it all saves money.
Air India has so many safety violations from repeatedly flying aircraft with no airworthiness certification, pilot certification violations etc. it's honestly shocking for a flagship carrier of such a large country.
Bear in mind this is the same airline EASA found an absolutely shocking amount of safety violations with this very year.
Yeah, that’s the difference between “this panel is missing but probably MEL’d” and “why is the paperwork on fire.” One looks ugly, the other points to a whole safety culture problem.
As they used to say "Filmed in S. America where life is cheap".....
I know things are changing, but remember growing up and hearing the death tolls from natural and other disasters in India and China and being mind-blown.
Places like India where the average life span when I was born was 34 years old....probably have different mindsets. The loss of the airliner ($$) is prob more important than the loss of some people.
You are right, though that crash was early 2015, but close enough. That's actually kind of wild because Europe had a pretty regular cadence of aircraft disasters up until that crash and then they all suddenly stopped. Neither the US or Europe have had a maintenance related disaster in a really long time. The recent US crashes have been air traffic control failures or smaller planes trying to land in poor weather.
Ryanair has 0 crashes. 0 since 1985.
Their salary might be crap compared to others and they sound cheap. But one thing they are not cheap about is maintenance. Also helps a lot that they only fly one type of plane.
As long as the pressure bulkhead isn't damaged - and that probably several meters fore of this - and there is nothing structural affected - aft of the pressure bulkhead the skin of the aircraft is not stressed to the same degree as within the pressure compartment - the only consequences of this is likely drag which would present a slightly increased fuel burn.
It’ll be listed in the CDL for sure. As long as the jackscrew is greased and there’s no structural damage to the primary attachment points, Ryanair will fly that bird until the lease runs out tbh.
Fair enough, I know fuck all about planes tbh. I only have the flight radar app because i see quite a bit of military aircraft where I work. A man I work with doesn’t have an iPhone and like’s to know what they are.
I feel sad about how much attention this gets, even here. Posts like this Facebook post are toxic, using people's emotions for engagement and revenue, without accomplishing anything good. If I was moderating the subreddit, I would lock the post.
That "wrinkly" bit is actually the seal/boot that allows the entire horizontal stabilizer to pivot for trim. It looks like a mess because it’s designed to flex through a massive range of motion. Think of it like the bellows on a bus or a very industrial accordion dude.
I work on the 737, the black part you see are actually gap covers that cover the tailcone section from the outside in any position the horizontal stab is set in. They’re meant to be black
Not certain either, but at a glance looking for comparison, this LOT bird has an identical pattern there. Whether it's the same missing fairings or what...
Let me guess, the person who posted it is a ‘Digital Creator’ … it’s just clickbait they circulate, gets clicks, comments and they make money off it … to the point the ‘person’ who posted it is most likely an algorithm.
I absolutely hate these "dull clone club" pages - setting aside the content of the original post, it has clearly been copied for engagement farming and none of those pages have real people directly associated with their posts. They're all stolen from the one or two original-ish groups. You can tell immediately because there's no name on the post - it's posted by the page itself. 🚩
I literally just left one of them that was previously “Dull Men’s Club” for precisely this reason. Facebook has incentivized becoming a “digital creator” by paying you for engagement you create. This results in lots of either low-effort react-bait posting or constant inane posting by the same few people. Gamifying social interaction is one of the most soul-crushing developments of the modern internet. And I am aware I am posting this on Reddit.
Nail on the head there. I found there is still some value in the original groups themselves (the closed ones with posts by people, not karma bots) but my feed was just full of the clone bot groups with the reposted, un-credited stuff. Sadly, they do get engagement.
I miss when the closest to gamification was a hit counter on the footer of a webpage, but I'm showing my age there.
Ill never knock someone for being curious and challenging flight safety, BUT surely the first step is to contact Ryanair and ask them so that they can have a maintainer go actually check it out, or, ya know, mention it to the aircraft crew so if there is an issue thats gone unnoticed they can not take the aircraft flying.
I mean, Im not saying I think there is an issue, I'm not familiar enough with the 737 to comment on that side, but Im pretty sure that wouldn't go unnoticed, and while we all like to take the piss out of Ryanair theyre not some shady operation out of shades vill repairing the aircraft with bubble gum, spit and hope. Theyre a major, well known airline, theyre also known for being cheap, which means they're under even more scrutiny. If this was an issue and they knew about it they're not letting that thing fly, and theres no chance maintainance and preflight are so poor not to notice for a year.
Again though, nothing wrong with curiosity and asking the question
We live in the era of ragebait, AI, and bot accounts. People really ought to get off Facebook/ IG and not take shit people say online at face value.
Although unfortunately I know a bunch of aunties that are never gonna do that and see some shit like this and be like “I will never fly Ryanair as long as I live!”
As a student who isn't qualified, I would guess it's fine given it's behind the aft pressure bulkhead and it's probably just the skin torn, with none of the load bearing structures affected
i love how halfway through the paragraph they just completely abandoned the basic laws of thermodynamics and aerodynamics ngl. bro probably built one revell model plane back in 2012 and decided he was ready to be chief engineer.
As a Pilot I disagree. Pilots decide if it is / they find it secure to fly or not - it actually lies in their responsibility. Why do you think an outside check is mandatory before every flight 😉
If something looks odd, pilots can and will deny takeoff - one of the foundations of aviation safety...
Armchair engineers on facebook literally all hold a phd from the university of dunning-kruger tbh. the fact that they typed all of that out with so much confidence is actually wild.
But I know that area has multiple seals and special panels to help allow the entire horizontal stab to move while
Also covering up any of the internals. For “aerodynamics” I think..
“The elephant ear” is what we called the giant panel on the underside of the stab. It could be that.
crooks4hire@reddit
Family flies on the same exact plane 6-8 times a year?
julias-winston@reddit
I was curious how he got close enough to take those photos. Whenever I see an airliner this close, I'm on the jetway about to step aboard.
A ramp worker would have this kind of view, but that's not what's written. It don't make no sense.
ThinkMarket7640@reddit
This is how you board pretty much every single Ryanair flight, they never pay for a jetway.
Bob-Ross74@reddit
Many airlines, particularly outside of the US, use air stairs at both the front and back of the aircraft for boarding.
WigglingWeiner99@reddit
In fact Ryanair options integrated air stairs on their 737s.
Bob-Ross74@reddit
I have seen the integrated ones in the front. Do they also put them in the back?
747ER@reddit
There was an additional option for rear airstairs on the 737, but it was discontinued with the 737 Original series.
Bob-Ross74@reddit
Who downvotes a question?
bbcgn@reddit
No, only the front air stairs are integrated. They often put external air stairs onto the back though. Source: have stood on external air stairs similarly close to the horizontal stabilizer when boarding a Ryanair flight more than once.
talldata@reddit
Norwegian used to as well.
WigglingWeiner99@reddit
I'm sure they're not the only ones. But the plane in the OP is Ryanair which would explain "how he got close enough to take those photos."
Cheers!
Hunting_Gnomes@reddit
That plane only flies the Brussels to Spain route. Duh.
Messyfingers@reddit
Lmao at "watched every episode of mayday"
eatmynasty@reddit
“Read every Wikipedia article about 737 hull loss”
DonnyGetTheLudes@reddit
“Former paid subscriber to Black Box Down”
AmbitiousEconomics@reddit
Man I was sad when that ended :(
Opposite-Loss-3462@reddit
Blanco lirio on YTA is better anyway
bmwwallace@reddit
The porno?
maddler@reddit
No, that was Black Cocks Down.
Emeyelein@reddit
“Brussels to Spain route” was also a good one. Spain’s quite big.
Skilldibop@reddit
The reference to "europe's version of the FAA" suggests american. I'm impressed they know that spain and brussels are both in europe tbh
Ambitious_Guard_9712@reddit
It's Ryanair, you get a parachute and d cidecwhere to get off,landing is a premium iption
Reapercore@reddit
You land at Shannon then have to get a coach to Madrid.
Techhead7890@reddit
Feels like that should be a Fortnite collab. Mixed feelings about having the Battle Bus be replaced with a Boeing aircraft though.
pscanf@reddit
If only! The flight I take to go visit my family flies right over my hometown, but lands at an airport 1.5 hours away. I wouldn't mind a direct drop!
Orvenik@reddit
Priority boarding includes choosing which field you land in.
mbcook@reddit
As someone who loves the show, how could you possibly watch every episode and think that pilots are infallible? Or that they don’t get pushed to fly unsafe planes to keep the airline making money?
The industry safety record is amazing. But there’s a reason they have stuff to cover on the show.
Skilldibop@reddit
It's ryanair..... they're not fixing cosmetic stuff. This is the airline that legit investigated if you could have 'standing seats' to cram more people onto a plane.
Boris_the_pipe@reddit
Well at least he is not 100% certain
MAVACAM@reddit
One would think if this plane has been flying around for a year like this, OP really thinks not a single one of the thousands of LAMEs and pilots doing pre-flights did anything about it.
Common-Image-3758@reddit
Same exact plane every time too
Techhead7890@reddit
It's weird that he knows it's the same plane but doesn't mention the registration number imo
MPenten@reddit
I flew on a plane that had this yesterday, what a bloody coincidence, from BGY to PRG at 2pm.
EI-IKI.
Did not die.
CessnaBandit@reddit
There is no OP. It’s engagement bait to make people comment telling them how stupid they are
Standard_One_5827@reddit
How do we get the post removed if this is true?
Tenzipper@reddit
Standard_One_5827@reddit
🤣
ginamegi@reddit
Spend an hour on Facebook and find one post that isn't made by a bot to farm engagement and ad revenue
Standard_One_5827@reddit
This is the only “social media” thing I have. By the sounds of it, I plan on keeping it that way.
CassiCatto@reddit
That's why I left. Facebook is all bots and MAGAts.
Turbo_Normalized@reddit
That's 90% of the Internet for the last few years
CessnaBandit@reddit
That’s like pissing on chernobyl to try and cool it down
Zerelix@reddit
Yep, it’s rage bait with a boarding pass.
copeyhagen@reddit
Its probably Michael OLeary
Alternative-Yak-925@reddit
Uh, those are speed holes. They make the plane go faster.
wayne17mc@reddit
My god, these people need to get a hobby and stop thinking...... Actually that's it, they need to just stop thinking!!
pizdec-unicorn@reddit
"Oh no! Anyway..."
CessnaBandit@reddit
This gets reposted by many facebook pages because it grabs attention and makes them money from ad revenue. The writer is not genuine, it’s written to get people commenting
1001001@reddit
Rage bate is the strongest engagement tool there is. Rageporn has taken over the internet.
Tachanka-Mayne@reddit
Yep- this specific post, word for word, has been reposted on these ‘dull men’ facebook groups for a year or two now. It’s almost certainly bot-posted engagement bait at this point.
Stay-At-Home-Jedi@reddit
Wait.
If we have bots posting engagement bait
And we have bots commenting on engagement bait
Do we have bots pointing out the bot-comments and the bot-posts and the bot-bait?
Are you a bot??
Am I a bot??
Between-usernames@reddit
stands We are ALL bots.
Stay-At-Home-Jedi@reddit
BOTS
STRONG
TOGETHER
Between-usernames@reddit
ALL OUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US
Between-usernames@reddit
Dang did the bots vote me down?
Photosynthetic@reddit
Dead Internet theory!
Stay-At-Home-Jedi@reddit
Idk why your Internet is dead, but mine is very much alive.
It talks to me, remembers everything I do and everything I say... 😳
Photosynthetic@reddit
I didn’t name the concept, silly. ;)
Stay-At-Home-Jedi@reddit
That's good to hear; definitely means you're not a bot then 👍 👍
saml01@reddit
Wtf is 'dull men'?
Tachanka-Mayne@reddit
It’s what these groups call themselves on Facebook, the idea is that they discuss things most people would find dull but they find interesting.
gitbse@reddit
That's essentially the entirety of Facebook at this point.
Between-usernames@reddit
Spot on.
Mitshal@reddit
The word is clickbait. The whole internet appears to be clickbait originating mostly from that subcontinent/country we all love to hate.
ginamegi@reddit
I think 99% of content on Facebook is engagement bait or fake AI news stories and pictures. The site is dead.
FEMA_Camp_Survivor@reddit
People seem to be commenting about how safe Ryanair is.
CessnaBandit@reddit
Exactly
CDninja@reddit
This is a missing cover that hides the trim mechanism of the horizontal stabilizer.
You would need to check in the manual if the plane can fly like this. Since it's Ryannair, I would guess it is flyable.
FZ_Milkshake@reddit
Yep, Ryanair don't mess around with maintenance.
Inondator@reddit
That's basically their unique argument public-relationship wise. A single accident for bad maintenance could destroy public confidence in them.
ChairYeoman@reddit
that's every airline tho
Inondator@reddit
Other airlines have quality of service and passenger experience for them.
Ryanair is literally a bus company.
MAVACAM@reddit
I always thought if any airline company ever offered standing room tickets, I'd be absolutely shocked but if Ryanair offered it, I wouldn't even bat an eye.
_entrxpy@reddit
I've seen people be absolutely furious about that possibility, but I'd 100% be very glad to pay like just 5€ for a 30min flight (but even up to 1h) even if i had to stand the whole time. Literally an air bus .
MAVACAM@reddit
I have no idea why people would be furious about that, you know what you're getting with Ryanair.
I can fly to Milan or Paris for 10 bloody pounds ffs, if they asked me to clean the loo mid-flight for a fiver discount I'd probably do it.
Every_Recover_1766@reddit
Because if the plane starts to crash or if it rolls or yaws it’s a lot harder to keep a standing human alive then a sitting one who’s already closer to brace position and the CoG of the plane.
Also if you do roll, what’s gonna happen when everyone’s packed like cattle? It’ll be a stampede
Blankok93@reddit
He’ll, I’d repair those fucking 737 Lav water heaters if I got a free flight
_entrxpy@reddit
They got to make you the CEO just for this one.
Same. But y'know... People.
Inondator@reddit
Too bad, Ryanair only flies Boing (voluntarily misspelled).
mr_weathervane@reddit
They have 26 inherited A320s
Techhead7890@reddit
As Lauda aircraft for charter hire: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lauda_Europe
mr_weathervane@reddit
Lauda Europe operate scheduled services on Ryanair flight numbers. Mostly from Vienna and Zagreb.
CallOfCorgithulhu@reddit
I'd almost prefer that compared to the rock hard seats on many of these cheap airlines. Why bother sitting down if it's just going to be on a shitty nearly-plastic seat? If they won't give us decent seats, I'd rather something like a standing roller coaster harness with the option to take some weight off on a sort of bike saddle, but otherwise I just lean back standing up.
Exos9@reddit
I remember when O’Leary had talked about this a few years ago. There was public outrage. Then he went on an interview and said something along the lines of “If I remove the last 5 rows of seats, replace them with standing seats, and sell them for 1€, I can guarantee you I’ll sell out all the standing spaces before I’ve sold a single real seat” (paraphrasing, but you get the gist). Honestly for a quick hop, it’s really not the worst idea. Wouldn’t fly a long route like that though
DarthMauly@reddit
O’Leary has already said for years he is wanting to do this by removing the back 5 rows of seats. Has also said he’d like to charge to use the toilets and once said he’d offer blowjobs on flights if allowed. Although it wasn’t clear if he’d be the one personally performing these.
On top of that he’s advocated for one pilot with no copilot on shorter flights, with a member of cabin crew performing the copilots duties.
Techhead7890@reddit
I think the real issues with stuffing a plane would be the safety and regulatory ones that come from evacuations and turbulence. It is clear that he's willing to cut service if it benefits the company's sales though.
sofixa11@reddit
He says those things for the free marketing, because every news and social media spam farm repeat him when he does it.
Silentkindfromsauna@reddit
Charging for the toilets is so that there can be only one toilet and thus you can fit a few more rows of seats reducing everyone’s ticket fare
ZaryaBubbler@reddit
They quickly stopped the charging for the toilets once they realised it's discriminatory towards disabled passengers
Silentkindfromsauna@reddit
Seriously doubt that
ZaryaBubbler@reddit
Except that's generally the rule for EU countries. You can't make toilets accessible to disabled people charged
Silentkindfromsauna@reddit
Sure, but they didn't cancel the plans because of that as it was "always a publicity stunt" to suggest that the bathrooms should be paid
Tenzipper@reddit
FTFY.
Silentkindfromsauna@reddit
Ryanair is the one company I would trust to actually drive the business of stuffing as many people in the planes to decrease the unit cost (while ofc making more total money)
RosieDear@reddit
If they were the most autonated Airbus models flying into the top airports this might be safe. If you would have mentioned 2 pilots in 1960 you'd probably be considered crazy.
I think it is a fact at this point that automation is far better than humans. I just finished two of the "air disasters" series and the mistakes are nothing short of amazing. Kudos to Airbus for their pushing automation back when.
Most of the terrible accidents would have been avoided by the very simplest of tech. The Canary Island mess - could have been avoided (off the top of head here) by.
1. A laser that shoot out the front of the place confirming the runway is clear. Same laser would be active as plane rolled.
2. A fail-safe software lock which the ATC has to activate before a plane can actually take off.
The one accident (Widebody in the Everglades) seriously went down due to checking and fiddling with a 20 cent green indicator bulb.
Since we now know (?) that the best tech also tends to make pilots accustomed to the best tech, we might as well go all the way. A remote pilot w/full control capabilities, in automated new aircraft, would seem to be capable of landing.
Obviously this doesn't apply to every aircraft or every airport. But Humans have limitations....not Pilot Errors, just limitations and we are subject to so many forces that an automated system or even a remote pilot would not be.
DarthMauly@reddit
You’ve written an awful lot on automation there so I think it’s just worth pointing out as I said above, his suggestion is a member of cabin crew steps in to carry out the duties of the copilot.
No automation, just a less qualified human who is already on board doing it in order to cut the costs associated with paying a second pilot.
josnik@reddit
They tried
Poopy_sPaSmS@reddit
Didn't the CEO mention this before?
elliptical-wing@reddit
giulimborgesyt@reddit
not literally but ok
Silentkindfromsauna@reddit
But ryanair is honest about it, they just give you a random seat, follow the rules and you get to fly for cheap. No wishywashy promises about level of service or great food or anything that will anyways not be met. Just get from a to b for as cheap as possible. Love it.
sarahlizzy@reddit
Ok, so I’m gonna disagree a bit here. Ryanair frequent flier. I also can’t eat gluten. They reliably have a gluten free meal option and it’s good for airline food.
They also have the single best app I’ve ever used of any airline. It just works. I understand this is because they “dog food”; O’Leary uses it to book flights.
Silentkindfromsauna@reddit
Mostly meant not included in the price of the ticket, but also wasn’t aware their food is actually great! Even more points for them
_entrxpy@reddit
An air bus, if you will
EtwasSonderbar@reddit
Ironically with an all-Boeing fleet.
Difficult_Camel_1119@reddit
nope, they also have Airbus. They wanted to replace them with Boeing for years, but didn't so far
EtwasSonderbar@reddit
Only in their subsidiaries, no?
Difficult_Camel_1119@reddit
Lauda subsidiary. But Lauda doesn't operate flights on it's own anymore but only wetlease to Ryanair
BillytheBloxian@reddit
but all they use is boeing!
>/s for the idiots who have -1 reading comprehension<
BigEanip@reddit
You've never flown air indigo lol. Or biman airlines. There are plenty of airlines out there that don't meet the safety standards to even fly to Europe. Indian planes crash all the time, but they're cheap and there's 1.6billion indians so they don't care.
EfficientDish7@reddit
Malaysia airlines is still going strong 12 years later despite 2 highly publicised crashes in less than a year
ChillFratBro@reddit
Neither one of which was Malaysia Airlines fault. One was Russia shooting it down, the other was a suicidal pilot.
Those are also the only two 777s lost with all souls, but no one blames Boeing or said the 777 should be grounded.
Your logic is like blaming American and United for 9/11.
RosieDear@reddit
In the air disasters series I am reading it was a regular thing (1960).....
"one of the passengers, Susie Q,, had a sister who died in a plane crash a year earlier. As the plane taxied out they passed the burnt out hull of another airliner that had crashed and burnt the week before"......
Maybe it's me, but I wouldn't fly given those basic odds. If you know a couple people killed in airliner crashes.....that's too many. AND, if hulks of crashed airliners are at an airport, it's not good.
Elean0rZ@reddit
I think with Ryanair, a lot of people secretly (and wrongly but that's beside the point) assume they must be cutting corners so an accident would be like "I knew it all along!" and the it-was-just-matter-of-time narrative would more easily snowball out of control. With an airline that isn't viewed that way to begin with an accident is more like "that sucks but they did everything they could, accidents happen, I still trust them".
probablyaythrowaway@reddit
But the bigger thing for Ryanair is if their plane has a break down it’s not making them money.
The other things like safety and public confidence is just a happy byproduct
simmeh024@reddit
Hence they invested a lot into quick turn around maintenance. They only fly one type of plane (lauda airlines wetleases airbusses). Making maintenance much simpler than other airlines. Plenty of spare parts can be ordered and stored with discounts. Engineers only have to know one type.
Its all about scale. The quicker the turn around, on the grand scheme it all saves money.
probablyaythrowaway@reddit
Yeah costs too much for them to have a plane out of service.
Lozsta@reddit
Just the comfort and mental health of their customers.
mkosmo@reddit
None of the airlines do. Not like this.
Faulty maintenance practices are rarely identifiable before an incident, though.
ATangK@reddit
May I introduce you to Air India.
MAVACAM@reddit
Air India has so many safety violations from repeatedly flying aircraft with no airworthiness certification, pilot certification violations etc. it's honestly shocking for a flagship carrier of such a large country.
Bear in mind this is the same airline EASA found an absolutely shocking amount of safety violations with this very year.
Gravionex@reddit
Yeah, that’s the difference between “this panel is missing but probably MEL’d” and “why is the paperwork on fire.” One looks ugly, the other points to a whole safety culture problem.
PeckerNash@reddit
Air India has a safety culture?
KirkieSB@reddit
Sure. A bad one.
RosieDear@reddit
As they used to say "Filmed in S. America where life is cheap".....
I know things are changing, but remember growing up and hearing the death tolls from natural and other disasters in India and China and being mind-blown.
Places like India where the average life span when I was born was 34 years old....probably have different mindsets. The loss of the airliner ($$) is prob more important than the loss of some people.
No_Warthog_5709@reddit
Tbf Air lingus hasn't had a crash (touch wood) since the 1960s.
I think the Germanwings crash in 2014 was the last major European airline to have a crash. Could be wrong though
EpicCyclops@reddit
You are right, though that crash was early 2015, but close enough. That's actually kind of wild because Europe had a pretty regular cadence of aircraft disasters up until that crash and then they all suddenly stopped. Neither the US or Europe have had a maintenance related disaster in a really long time. The recent US crashes have been air traffic control failures or smaller planes trying to land in poor weather.
HandiCAPEable@reddit
It's the secret to lower fares!
SomeRandomMech@reddit
It's not missing, it's just a black piece
TheAlmightySnark@reddit
just imagine the bloody de ice mess inside the stabilo compartment... poor RA mechanics...
simmeh024@reddit
Ryanair has 0 crashes. 0 since 1985. Their salary might be crap compared to others and they sound cheap. But one thing they are not cheap about is maintenance. Also helps a lot that they only fly one type of plane.
Shankar_0@reddit
Their MEL is the front side of an index card.
ev3to@reddit
As long as the pressure bulkhead isn't damaged - and that probably several meters fore of this - and there is nothing structural affected - aft of the pressure bulkhead the skin of the aircraft is not stressed to the same degree as within the pressure compartment - the only consequences of this is likely drag which would present a slightly increased fuel burn.
lumcsl2022@reddit
I’m pretty sure I just got off this plane. It looked like something had been patched up when I was boarding at the back.
Medical-Loss5801@reddit
It’ll be listed in the CDL for sure. As long as the jackscrew is greased and there’s no structural damage to the primary attachment points, Ryanair will fly that bird until the lease runs out tbh.
RagingPilot94@reddit
Till they sell it more like. None of the 737 fleet are leased. All owned.
AreWeThereYetNo@reddit
Sire it can fly. But can it bounce on landing?
a-real-sloth@reddit
That is just about the only thing Ryanair can guarantee
AllIWantForXmasIsFoo@reddit
does he think every time he makes the same route, he flies on the same plane? Because that's not how it works, let alone for a year
Quirky_lemonPie@reddit
Would love if there were different regos in the pics 😂😂
lumcsl2022@reddit
I’m 99% sure I just got off this plane, it was the 10:55 flight from RMU to London Luton.
I noticed something had been patched up as I was boarding at the back.
747ER@reddit
All 737MAXs look like this, there is a chance that you flew on this exact plane but a much greater chance that it was a different RyanAir 737-8200.
lumcsl2022@reddit
Fair enough, I know fuck all about planes tbh. I only have the flight radar app because i see quite a bit of military aircraft where I work. A man I work with doesn’t have an iPhone and like’s to know what they are.
Between-usernames@reddit
Wow, do you have pics too?
lumcsl2022@reddit
I checked my flight on the flightrader app and this was a recent photo
Flight number was FR3453 so you can check for yourself.
HuEmans1st@reddit
You don't need to be an expert to have a problem with a giant fucking hole in the plane.
paperodiabolico@reddit
Such a shame Ryanair only has the one 737 doing that route
747ER@reddit
That’s the “Brussels to Spain” plane, of course.
Icy-Ninja-622@reddit
I feel sad about how much attention this gets, even here. Posts like this Facebook post are toxic, using people's emotions for engagement and revenue, without accomplishing anything good. If I was moderating the subreddit, I would lock the post.
Apex_negotiator@reddit
Not pressurised part of the fuselage, and aft of the rear bulkhead.
Not dangerous at all, if a little unsightly and quite disconcerting.
Fatal_Explorer@reddit
I am dull on the 737, could an Boeing tech explain to a dullster what that is under the stab? Why does it look so wrinkley?
Positive_Finish3903@reddit
That "wrinkly" bit is actually the seal/boot that allows the entire horizontal stabilizer to pivot for trim. It looks like a mess because it’s designed to flex through a massive range of motion. Think of it like the bellows on a bus or a very industrial accordion dude.
stevecostello@reddit
Industrial Accordion Dude is my Tinder name.
Vau8@reddit
Underrated Comment Dude would also be a good fit.
Between-usernames@reddit
The "dude" at the end just killed me. I think we could tell generations by whether "my" is in front of that word.
thelifeofab@reddit
I work on the 737, the black part you see are actually gap covers that cover the tailcone section from the outside in any position the horizontal stab is set in. They’re meant to be black
Fatal_Explorer@reddit
Thanks chap, this is the answer I was looking for!
cazzipropri@reddit
I can't because I'm too dull
railker@reddit
Not certain either, but at a glance looking for comparison, this LOT bird has an identical pattern there. Whether it's the same missing fairings or what...
flying_wrenches@reddit
Could be a seal or one of the odd shaped panels used to cover up internals for the stab. There’s a few of them on the 737.
sneijder@reddit
Same picture pops up time and time again.
Let me guess, the person who posted it is a ‘Digital Creator’ … it’s just clickbait they circulate, gets clicks, comments and they make money off it … to the point the ‘person’ who posted it is most likely an algorithm.
bonzog@reddit
I absolutely hate these "dull clone club" pages - setting aside the content of the original post, it has clearly been copied for engagement farming and none of those pages have real people directly associated with their posts. They're all stolen from the one or two original-ish groups. You can tell immediately because there's no name on the post - it's posted by the page itself. 🚩
pibroch@reddit
I literally just left one of them that was previously “Dull Men’s Club” for precisely this reason. Facebook has incentivized becoming a “digital creator” by paying you for engagement you create. This results in lots of either low-effort react-bait posting or constant inane posting by the same few people. Gamifying social interaction is one of the most soul-crushing developments of the modern internet. And I am aware I am posting this on Reddit.
bonzog@reddit
Nail on the head there. I found there is still some value in the original groups themselves (the closed ones with posts by people, not karma bots) but my feed was just full of the clone bot groups with the reposted, un-credited stuff. Sadly, they do get engagement.
I miss when the closest to gamification was a hit counter on the footer of a webpage, but I'm showing my age there.
vampyire@reddit
FB engineer should stick to annoying software not aviation
New_Line4049@reddit
Ill never knock someone for being curious and challenging flight safety, BUT surely the first step is to contact Ryanair and ask them so that they can have a maintainer go actually check it out, or, ya know, mention it to the aircraft crew so if there is an issue thats gone unnoticed they can not take the aircraft flying. I mean, Im not saying I think there is an issue, I'm not familiar enough with the 737 to comment on that side, but Im pretty sure that wouldn't go unnoticed, and while we all like to take the piss out of Ryanair theyre not some shady operation out of shades vill repairing the aircraft with bubble gum, spit and hope. Theyre a major, well known airline, theyre also known for being cheap, which means they're under even more scrutiny. If this was an issue and they knew about it they're not letting that thing fly, and theres no chance maintainance and preflight are so poor not to notice for a year. Again though, nothing wrong with curiosity and asking the question
BassicallyDarr@reddit
The only dull thing about those groups is the imagination of reposters
Raccoon_Ratatouille@reddit
If you go looking for dumb opinions on the internet, you are going to find a few
Between-usernames@reddit
Facts
GlMLI@reddit
This is clearly satire
viscount100@reddit
My money is on the airline with zero fatalities in 40 years.
corporate-citizen@reddit
Main concern would be water intrusion and freeze ups at altitude interfering with elevator-rudder controls.
jsgx3@reddit
Rage bait and click farming.
GroundProximity@reddit
That guy posts a variation of this every year when he flies on vacay hahaha, i think ive seen it on FB 3 times already in the last years.
Naughty_Monsters@reddit
Stick some tape on it and the problem goes away.
Bon-Bon-Boo@reddit
That is a weather seal that’s missing and the CDL allows for it to be missing.
ScaryDuck2@reddit
We live in the era of ragebait, AI, and bot accounts. People really ought to get off Facebook/ IG and not take shit people say online at face value.
Although unfortunately I know a bunch of aunties that are never gonna do that and see some shit like this and be like “I will never fly Ryanair as long as I live!”
Sea_Lobster5063@reddit (OP)
100% and same goes for Reddit
52-61-64-75@reddit
As a student who isn't qualified, I would guess it's fine given it's behind the aft pressure bulkhead and it's probably just the skin torn, with none of the load bearing structures affected
LumpyEconomist8291@reddit
i love how halfway through the paragraph they just completely abandoned the basic laws of thermodynamics and aerodynamics ngl. bro probably built one revell model plane back in 2012 and decided he was ready to be chief engineer.
CessnaBandit@reddit
It’s not a genuine post written by someone being serious
FiberApproach2783@reddit
It's written seriously, but it's a bot reposting it lol
Major_Shop_4942@reddit
Haha, pilots don't decide that as they're just users. They point it out to a technican or an engineer, who determines whether it's still safe or not.
BathFullOfDucks@reddit
Absolutely not - the ultimate decision and responsibility lies with the captain alone.
Not only would "a technician told me to fly it" not absolve anyone, nobody in their right mind would ever make such a comment.
vAviate@reddit
As a Pilot I disagree. Pilots decide if it is / they find it secure to fly or not - it actually lies in their responsibility. Why do you think an outside check is mandatory before every flight 😉 If something looks odd, pilots can and will deny takeoff - one of the foundations of aviation safety...
Potential-Narwhal-@reddit
I see nessie.
A_storia@reddit
Even before reading the text, credibility was lost by using Facebook. Using TV habits was the icing on the cake
Boundish91@reddit
Well, for one that part is not anywhere near the pressurised parts of the hull. To me it looks like it's missing a cover or something.
I bet RyanAir wouldn't let it fly if it wasn't ok to fly.
Flowech@reddit
Ryanair wouldn't let it fly if it's operationally costing them more fuel burn.
AdOk3759@reddit
That’s not how European aviation laws work, luckily.
hatlad43@reddit
wth is "dull fan"
Livingforabluezone@reddit
Slap some speed tape over it to hide it and you’re good to go.
michimoby@reddit
It’ll get fixed during c-check. Not a major issue.
Mother_Diamond5637@reddit
Armchair engineers on facebook literally all hold a phd from the university of dunning-kruger tbh. the fact that they typed all of that out with so much confidence is actually wild.
__iku__@reddit
„Watched Mayday“🤡🤡 My brother in Christ there is a reason you are no AMT.
flying_wrenches@reddit
Photo quality is blurry,
But I know that area has multiple seals and special panels to help allow the entire horizontal stab to move while Also covering up any of the internals. For “aerodynamics” I think..
“The elephant ear” is what we called the giant panel on the underside of the stab. It could be that.
Avia_NZ@reddit
What a fuckin donut