Will you play the new US lotto coming here?
Posted by Feeling-Ad6796@reddit | AskUK | View on Reddit | 62 comments
It's 4 quid a line, and the jackpots can far exceed the lotto here as it can be billions. But I've heard bitching about it on here from stateside. 4 quid a line on a game that's over twice as hard to win as euromillions is steep. But will you play?
DECKTHEBALLZ@reddit
Won't you have to pay US taxes on the winnings?
Feeling-Ad6796@reddit (OP)
Apparently not no. I think that's why we are paying nearly 3 times the price they do for a ticket. And we're only allowed the 30 year payout.
terryjuicelawson@reddit
I don't even play our one. I find it odd the extra appeal of the super massive jackpots - you are less likely to win, and is just a few million not that worth bothering with? Billions sounds like more of a burden than anything else.
Feeling-Ad6796@reddit (OP)
People don't see the odds. They see the jackpot. And nah a burden is bad health or a job you hate, a billions is not what I'd describe as a burden.
NeighborhoodKey2587@reddit
Of course I'll play. And if there's a big jackpot, I'll be 100%. And I don't plan on playing three times a week for the entire year. If there's a jackpot of at least $1 billion, then I'll play in every draw. If someone wins in the UK, they get 33 million a year (in pounds, which is a bit less), roughly the same amount as Diego Simeone, who's been working in the same job for 15 years. Ha, ha.
Electric-aura3000@reddit
Nah absolutely not. As someone who used to work on Kiosk for a few years it's very very rare someone gets a decent amount (the most a customer won was £280 and that happened once).
thesyldon@reddit
I have 3 lines in the favourites. I will only put the lottery if it exceeds £60m. I always check back to see if it would have won. It is hard to believe how those numbers can miss with such frequency. Anyone who puts the lottery on expecting to win is a bloody fool.
PS: you could try this with any numbers just by putting them into the lottery checker to see how you would have done over the last 6 months.
whyy_i_eyes_ya@reddit
Anyone who checks their own ticket wouoldn't bring a big winner to a kiosk though, as there's a max payout
Feeling-Ad6796@reddit (OP)
They probably bought it to the kiosk to see if the tivket had won. Then the kiosk will tell them to contact the lottery as that's what big wins will say in a kiosk I imagine.
Electric-aura3000@reddit
Yeah this is exactly it
Electric-aura3000@reddit
You're right but some people still check (particularly old people)
PricyRed_n_Blue@reddit
I only once had a customer where it wouldn't say what she won. I have always wondered
Underwritingking@reddit
Absolutely not. The less intrusion from the US in my life, the better
ActionBirbie@reddit
How does the tax work?
Don't yanks, unusually, have to pay tax on the winnings?
Feeling-Ad6796@reddit (OP)
They do but we are excempt from it here it appears as we are paying nearly 3 times for the ticket and can only take the 30 year payout option.
IncreaseInVerbosity@reddit
I have a direct debit for Euromillions.
Ticket cost per year is £260, EV per year is about £80 when taking into account realistic winnings.
Expected cost then is about £180 per year, which for me at least is not a big deal.
From that £180 there’s a charity contribution of £72.80. I probably wouldn’t play it without that, and I’m more than fine with it.
Leaves approx £107.2 expenditure a year gambling for the life changing prizes, which realistically is the best chance I’m going to have for becoming a rich (even though I’m never winning it).
Looking at new Powerball figures, assuming they’re correct, it’s about £624 annual spend, £130 realistic annual EV, so approx £500 per year.
There will be a charitable contribution from that, but £500 per year starts to become a non-trivial expense. I’d rather donate to charity directly at that point.
Thanks to the UK millionaire maker, Euromillions has much better odds (that are still incredibly awful) of hitting life changing sums of money.
The Powerball grand prize is paid over 30 years as well. If the jackpot is like £1 billion then I could probably justify a ticket, but at any other point it’s a very clear don’t touch.
Feeling-Ad6796@reddit (OP)
Yea but let's be real. The average player and the vast majority don't give two hoots about how much is going to charity or where their money for the ticket is going. They only see the jackpot figure and giving themselves a chance to won it.
dave8271@reddit
Odds of winning the jackpot per line are about 293 million to 1, so the jackpot would need to be just under £1.2 billion for £4 a line to represent a fair return.
tdrules@reddit
A lottery that doesn’t support UK communities and athletes? Why the hell would I do that?
IncreaseInVerbosity@reddit
Looks like it’ll be part of the general Lotto pool of games where a ticket percentage goes towards charity form the jurisdiction it’s brought in.
However it’s also a £624 spend per year if you’re playing every game, about £500 if you take EV into account. At that point it becomes a non-trivial expenditure, better off just donating directly to charity.
IncreaseInVerbosity@reddit
I have a direct debit for Euromillions.
Ticket cost per year is £260, EV per year is about £80 when taking into account realistic winnings.
Expected cost then is about £180 per year, which for me at least is not a big deal.
From that £180 there’s a charity contribution of £72.80. I probably wouldn’t play it without that, and I’m more than fine with it.
Leaves approx £107.2 expenditure a year gambling for the life changing prizes, which realistically is the best chance I’m going to have for becoming a rich (even though I’m never winning it).
Looking at new Powerball figures, assuming they’re correct, it’s about £624 annual spend, £130 realistic annual EV, so approx £500 per year.
There will be a charitable contribution from that, but £500 per year starts to become a non-trivial expense. I’d rather donate to charity directly at that point.
Thanks to the UK millionaire maker, Euromillions has much better odds (that are still incredibly awful) of hitting life changing sums of money.
The Powerball grand prize is paid over 30 years as well. If the jackpot is like £1 billion then I could probably justify a ticket, but at any other point it’s a very clear don’t touch.
IncreaseInVerbosity@reddit
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Shrimp_Watch101@reddit
This seems a classic case of people reacting to the headline, not the story.
The story is the Allwyn UK are [planning to add Powerball].(https://www.national-lottery.co.uk/powerball) to the UK National Lottery.
Subject to regulatory approval.
So it's not definitely happening. And it's not a completely alien lottery coming over here and taking our money directly to the orange buffoon
Feeling-Ad6796@reddit (OP)
https://www.national-lottery.co.uk/powerball
Eh no it's official. It's even on the national lottery website. It's definitely happening.
Lach0X@reddit
Not a chance, the population of America is too large for anyone from here to have a reasonable charge and let's be honest why would we want to be giving America any of our money. Atleast the price of our own lottery goes into our own country dont see why you'd want to fund America's next school shooting.
hdhxuxufxufufiffif@reddit
The barrier to having a reasonable chance is the odds of matching 5 from a pool of 69 balls, plus 1 from a pool of 26 powerballs. The number of other players is immaterial.
Feeling-Ad6796@reddit (OP)
"The barrier to having a reasonable chance is the odds of matching 5 from a pool of 69 balls, plus 1 from a pool of 26 powerballs. The number of other players is immaterial."
It actually is when you consider than there's 5 times more of them than there are of us. So they will inevitably buy the majority of the tickets so it makes it significantly more likely one of them will won it over one of us.
Feeling-Ad6796@reddit (OP)
I'm thinking if it's 4 quid a ticket then the uk government/ charities will get a cut.
sihasihasi@reddit
Maybe you should try knowing, rather than guessing.
Feeling-Ad6796@reddit (OP)
Well yes I know as the lotto is a state owned thing so ofcourse they won't sign up to this if the government here aren't getting a cut.
Visible_Pipe4716@reddit
Idiot tax
worldworn@reddit
I truly hate this thought process.
People arn't idiots for gambling, if it's within their means, they are in control and they enjoy it.
I bet on the grand national, sometimes I win, often I don't. I enjoy the process, enjoy watching it, and enjoy the chance of winning something.
Same for the lottery, I play occasionally. I like the "what if" of it all.
Dionysus60@reddit
No. Im actively trying (maybe futile) to de-americanise my life.
AllThatIHaveDone@reddit
Back to b3ta for you, then.
davus_maximus@reddit
Yeah awesome! That or Lemmy.
billsmithers2@reddit
Every little helps.
GenitalConsumer@reddit
Nope. It's gambling, and your money just goes straight to funding the U.S.
Feeling-Ad6796@reddit (OP)
"Your money just goes straight to funding the U.S."
I'm thinking the UK will benefit from this arrangement too. Not all of it will go to us.
feetflatontheground@reddit
Who is this 'us' you speak of? I thought you were Irish?
Feeling-Ad6796@reddit (OP)
US as in the country.
mikedavd@reddit
Lol. Busted!
GenitalConsumer@reddit
Only 12% of ticket sales will stay in the UK. All for nothing.
mdmnl@reddit
Hadn't heard it was coming, barely remember to play the lottery here anymore. So nope.
Feeling-Ad6796@reddit (OP)
It's the American powerball that's coming here this summer. I think it could do well but 4 quid a pop is steep.
ResplendentBear@reddit
American sentiment at an all-time high in the UK, it's bound to be a huge success.
It's not 1:1 but generally bigger jackpots means crappier odds.
sihasihasi@reddit
Not a chance. I stopped playing the national lottery when it went to £2 a draw. And also fuck USA right now.
Feeling-Ad6796@reddit (OP)
The bog standard uk lotto lost the plot years ago. The odds went from 1 in 14 million to 1 in 45 million in 2016 and since that there are rarely winners, relentless rollovers and then a must be won jackpot where nobody wins and it is shared out so any small winners get an extra 20 quid or so. It's really a piss take.
feetflatontheground@reddit
Never heard of it. Still don't know anything about it. I think this post is failing as an ad.
Red_Barry@reddit
Nope. Lotteries are just a tax on the daft.
Two-Space@reddit
I don’t play myself but that seems harsh. It’s gambling, which has been a form of entertainment for about as long as humans have known how to count.
sihasihasi@reddit
Indeed, it's more a tax on the hopeful poor.
VolcanicBear@reddit
No, I already occasionally pay one idiot tax so that's enough.
At least ours does genuinely good things for some charities. I assume theirs will do the same?
PurpleOctopus6789@reddit
Absolutely not! I don't gamble.
Also, this sounds like thinly veiled ad trying to sound like a Brit.
Feeling-Ad6796@reddit (OP)
I'm Irish but live in UK. I'm posting it as we were discussing it at work a few weeks back so was interested in the UK consensus and I've only seen negative of it online.
Princes_Slayer@reddit
This is the first I’m learning about this. Will winnings be subject to the US rules (ie a big chunk goes to tax)?
Feeling-Ad6796@reddit (OP)
No because we pay nearly 3 times for a ticket than them I think we are exempt from that. We also can't take the lump sum and have to take the 30 year annuity payments.
811545b2-4ff7-4041@reddit
Apparently you have to take the winnings over 30 years. I don't want no stinking £30m a year!
Hah, no, I don't do lotteries, the odds are scandalous.
intothedepthsofhell@reddit
As part of my ongoing feud with the US - no.
-_Error@reddit
No, I gave up doing the lottery years ago after I realised how much I wasting every week.
velos85@reddit
Once I win more than a Lucky Dip on our lottery I'll consider it. Can't be throwing money down 2 drains.
Worldly_Wafer_6635@reddit
Yep, and I'll be equally as delusional about winning it.
I have a spreadsheet calculator for how to spend winnings depending on the jackpot.
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