Thinking of upgrading from 2070 Super to RTX 5070 (Ryzen 5600X, 1440p display). Thoughts ?
Posted by ArcticLagrangia@reddit | buildapc | View on Reddit | 31 comments
Hey guys, I'm currently running a Ryzen 5 5600X with an RTX 2070 Super on a 1440p monitor, and I'm thinking about upgrading my GPU to an RTX 5070.
I know the 5600X will bottleneck the new GPU. I actually have a deal lined up with a retailer for a 5700X3D, but I'd really prefer to hold off on buying a new CPU for now and possibly rely on DLSS 4 and Frame Gen to push frames in heavier games and bypass the CPU bottleneck.
Any thoughts or suggestion?
Fine-Plantain-1433@reddit
Just do it. I recently updated from rtx 3070 to RTC 5070 while still using my Ryzen 5600x and it was great decision. Framegen X2 can do dark magic on games which you are CPU bound and it is very usable. I'm now able to play battlefield 6 on max settings while having 165fps on my 165hz monitor. Without framgen my Ryzen was dropping to mid 90fps. Input lag? Yes it exists, but if you have to choose to play on 90fps Vs 165fps with a little bit of a input lag believe me you will pick 165fps with framgen. Same goes for other games where I was CPU bound such as The Finals.
MrTytanis@reddit
I have RX 9060 XT + Ryzen 5 5600 OC at 1440p in some games I still have bottleneck by CPU but it's minor and occasional. It rly depends on what games you are playing.
ArcticLagrangia@reddit (OP)
Thanks! Can I ask which games you play and in which ones you have encountered some difficulty?
MrTytanis@reddit
It's not like super problematic, but I am letting you know because in your scenario the bottleneck will be bigger. In games like battlefield my GPU could push much further but it can't. In path of exile 2 my GPU sometimes in endgame sits at 60%, in other games like space marine 2 it's barely enough, using upscaling gives me same frame rate as native because CPU can't produce more frames, ofc Frame gen comes in clutch but I am using it only in games where I use gamepad. In cyberpunk is the same scenario, only while using heavy RT I can use upscaling. It is fine for me but your GPU will be quite a lot more powerful. My advice would be pull the trigger and later on upgrade your CPU (if you can buy x3d for am4 in your region), going for full am5 upgrade will be expensive af
CtrlAltDesolate@reddit
I'd just get a 9070 tbh (non-XT). Better for 1440p, more vram when it matters.
ArcticLagrangia@reddit (OP)
Thanks! Which CPU?
CtrlAltDesolate@reddit
5600x is good enough for it (just).
DuuhEazy@reddit
Keep the 5600x, its a good cpu.
drphilthy@reddit
I had the exact same setup and upgraded to a 9060xt. 5600x still handles stuff great
Smarmy82@reddit
As long as your motherboard supports at least PCIe gen4 on the x16 slot for the GPU, you should be fine. The rtx 5070 occupies a weird space.. Could you stretch to a 5070 ti? Maybe do that and then do a platform upgrade to AM5 a few years from now.
At 1440p the 5600x is not nearly the bottleneck that it would be a 1080p compared to an x3d CPU. Maybe wait and see how much the 5800X3D re-release costs after the hype dies down.
ArcticLagrangia@reddit (OP)
Yep, my board is a ROG B550-A Gaming, so PCIe Gen 4 is covered.
About the 5070 Ti: are 12GB of VRAM really that limiting at 1440p right now? I'd love 16GB, but the Ti stretches my budget. I also prefer not to buy used GPUs online unless I can pick them up in person (bad past experiences), but local deals are dead here.
As you suggest, if keeping my current CPU won't cause major issues, it might be worth waiting for the 5800X3D re-release and seeing what the price is. Thanks!
Smarmy82@reddit
It's not purely about vram, the 5070 ti is a substantially more powerful GPU that (when available at a reasonable price) will give your system more longevity. To me, the better spend of the CPU upgrade money would be to keep hunting for a decent deal on a 5070 Ti and then save money towards a full platform upgrade. Just my .02!
ArcticLagrangia@reddit (OP)
Quick update/question: I also considered the RX 9070 XT, as I found one from a reliable retailer for about €60 more. My only hesitation is that, from past experiences, I’ve found Nvidia's technologies to be better and more stable. Since some time has passed, I think AMD's tech has definitely improved and gotten closer to DLSS, but I'm not really up-to-date on their end. Could the 9070 XT be worth the extra €60 and the switch?
CryptikTwo@reddit
Dlss and frame gen are harder on the cpu and easier on the gpu fyi. They would be used to ease a gpu bottleneck no a cpu one.
ArcticLagrangia@reddit (OP)
Fair point on regular DLSS, but if I'm not mistaken, Frame Gen works a bit differently. It's 100% GPU-bound and the CPU does zero work for the generated frames, which is exactly why it actually helps bypass CPU bottlenecks
CryptikTwo@reddit
This only really works if you’re already achieving a reasonable frame rate without it and want to push for high fps. If a games struggling to begin with it won’t fix the problem.
Nebyl_@reddit
The 5600X won't bottleneck the 5070 as badly as you might think at 1440p in GPU-heavy titles. The bottleneck concern is more relevant in CPU-bound games at high framerates, but for AAA single player and heavier workloads the GPU does most of the work and the 5600X keeps up fine.
DLSS 4 with Multi Frame Generation is genuinely effective at pushing framerates, but it works best on top of a solid base framerate rather than as a fix for CPU-limited scenarios. In practice at 1440p the 5600X and 5070 is a workable pairing for most use cases.
The 5800X3D deal is worth taking if the price is right, it's the best AM4 gaming CPU and would fully unlock the 5070. But if budget is the constraint, GPU first is still the right call here. You can always add the 5800X3D later without touching anything else.
Worth running your 2070 Super against the 5070 at https://best-gpu.com/upgrade/ to see what the actual perf gain looks like before committing.
Nosferatu_V@reddit
If you're shopping around for 70 class GPUs, why not go with a used 4070 Super instead? Cheaper than the retail 5070, same performance. Only thing the 5070 has going for it is MFG as opposed to FG, but even then, I'd take the 4070 Super
According_Spare7788@reddit
I have a 5800x3d with a 5070. It's usually in the living room tv, which is a 4k OLED. Works great.
Tried it on a 1440p 200 hz gaming monitor as well, as well as 1080p.
Tbh, I was slightly more disappointed at 1080p. Encountered a noticeable bit of cpu bottleneck at 1080p DLSS Quality trying to push high frame rates with Cyberpunk 2077, even with RT Ultra.
rchiwawa@reddit
I have a 9800x3d right and a 5800x3d rig w/ 4090s and the only games in my stable where there is a definitive shift in experience are Warhammer Space Marine 2 and Cyberpunk 2077 fwiw, OP. I still would do the platform upgrade again but even in that context it wasn't needed in my use case scenario.
I havent run a non x3d chip in a gaming rig since the 5800x3d's launch but on at least the 2080 Ti, my closest to you 5600x (the 5950x fwiw) wasn't a slouch. When I went x3d (Ampere wasn't enough perf uplift in my uses to be of interest for free, let alone pandemic pricing+hassle) the frame time consistency was by far the biggest gain. It was nice but I didnt really realize the x3d's potential until I hopped onto the 4090 GPUs
Own-Indication5620@reddit
It's a very good upgrade for 1440p. The CPU can be a bottleneck on some games that are more CPU heavy like BF6, but in many others it will still be fine. Ideally, you'd want to get into AM5 series CPUs or possibly 5800X3D or even the newer Intel models for best results, but you could upgrade down the line.
DuuhEazy@reddit
5600x is good enough
STRYED0R@reddit
I did 2070 Super to 5070 (new for 620eu). I also just have a R7 3700X.
In hindsight, a month later, I'd go hunting for a second hand 5070 ti for a bit extra instead. Playing at 1440p or DLDSR 4K really doesn't much that much on the CPU.
I think you are right in just relying on DLSS & FG. People keep pushing very expensive CPUs on reddit it seems, when it's really not much of a bottleneck unless playing at 1080p or some CPU heavy games.
(I have no plan on updating my CPU until maybe 5800X3D pops up at ok prices, or if I can find a full upgrade kit with such a CPU so that I can upgrade a 2nd PC from AM3 to AM4).
ArcticLagrangia@reddit (OP)
Does 12 GB of VRAM have such a big impact right now? Unfortunately, I’m not very comfortable buying used GPUs unless I can pick them up in person (bad experiences in the past), and right now I’m having a hard time finding any in my area. Obviously, I’ve considered it, and I would much prefer 16 GB of VRAM. Upgrading to the 5700X3D would definitely be a game-changer, but the seller it’s asking for a price that, added to the cost of the GPU, is more than I’m willing to spend right now.
Own-Indication5620@reddit
In my exp I have played everything well at 1440p on a 5070 and even at 4K/60 FPS with DLSS and settings tweaked a bit. It's a great GPU, but I'd say 1440p is the sweet spot for it overall. For me 12GB is plenty, but if you plan to play more 4K or use RT + PT settings turned up, the 5070 TI is better, but also costs much more on average. For my needs it wasn't worth paying 50% more for.
STRYED0R@reddit
For cyberpunk which is the first I tried, it was a bit of an issue with pathtracing so I needed to tweak a bit some settings to be able to play with the best textures for a long period.
A 5700X3D will help with CPU heavy situations like adding large crowds for example, and 1% lows, but overall it's really negligeable compared to a better GPU. I wouldn't call it a game-changer. Would be happy to be wrong!
Yes I'm also hesitant about secondhand when I can't try it out and especially without receipt.
Dependent_Wafer3866@reddit
No, you don't. You think it will, and you're wrong.
ArcticLagrangia@reddit (OP)
fixed, thanks! ;) Thanks for the advice, too!
Big-Salamander-2158@reddit
A cpu bottleneck is a situation where a cpu cannot keep up with how much frames the gpu is spitting out. Using dlss and frame gen to spit out even more, will not bypass a cpu bottleneck.
That said a 5600x and 5070 should be fine at 1440p, and will most likely only in online competitive titles hold you back a little. Regardless, there is in general still a very big jump.
Copponex@reddit
What games do you play?
ArcticLagrangia@reddit (OP)
Right now, I usually play classic online games like Fortnite, Call of Duty, and Battlefield 6 (with graphics settings lowered), but I'd like to start playing AAA titles with far fewer compromises and really enjoy the graphics. For example, I'd really like to play Crimson Desert and, in the future, Fable.