Balkaners is this true?

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Starfalloss@reddit (OP)

The pic is from the New York City Greek Independence Day parade which took place the other day.

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icancount192@reddit

Why it's always diaspora Greeks that want to stir up shit while a war for stupid reasons wouldn't affect them at all.

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Starfalloss@reddit (OP)

Tbf I believe this group of people are Greeks from Northern Epirus themselves.

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icancount192@reddit

These are Americans of Greek ancestry with a vocabulary barely more than 100 words.

If they want to get Northern Epirus let them go and die for it. I will be supporting Albania.

No one in their right mind wants the annexation of Northern Epirus in 2026. The minority has real issues they're facing, and irredentism and ultranationalism will make these worse.

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Baoooba@reddit

If they want to get Northern Epirus let them go and die for it

To be fair the Greek diaspora has done enough fighting and dying for the Greek cause. From the Filiki Eteria which started the Greek indpendence movement, to the Greeks massacred in Pontus and Smyrna caught in Turkish reprisals due to Greek expansionism, to the Greeks who lost their homes in Cyprus due to Greek pursuit of enosis.

How about the Greeks in Greece step up a little! Lol!

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icancount192@reddit

Filiki etaireia wasn't diaspora Greeks. They were meeting in the diaspora for survival reasons.

Xanthos was born in Patmos. Skoufas in Arta, Tsakalov in Ioannina.

The Anatolian Greeks weren diaspora either. They lived there for thousands of years went to Greek schools and spoke Greek at home.

Americans and Asutralains with Greek ancestry are none of these. They are losers stirring shit 10,000 miles away. If you want come back to Greece and fight.

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Baoooba@reddit

Filiki etaireia wasn't diaspora Greeks

It was literally founded in Odessa by Phariotes. How it cannot be the diaspora. Unless you are telling me that Constantinople should be Greek? Geez, who irredentist now?

The Anatolian Greeks weren diaspora either. They lived there for thousands of years went to Greek schools and spoke Greek at home.

A significant proportion didn't speak Greek. So to say they all spoke Greek shows a lack of understanding of the history and culture of the peoole.

Americans and Australians with Greek ancestry are none of these

None of what? Greeks from Northern Epirus or Asia Minor? I think alot are.

They can't even speak Greek besides Pastitsio, yaya and feta. They don't know anything about modern Greek history and Greek realities

To be fair the Greeks that share these views are usually Greeks that a born there. The older generation. The younger kids don't give a shit. They might be told to wave a flag on a parade to make their grandparents happy and afterwards they probably don't give it another thought. They wouldn't even be able to point to Northern Epirus on a map... they probably don't even realise it's not part of Greece.

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icancount192@reddit

I told you where the Filiki Etaireia were born. In Greece. None of them were 3rd generation immigrants. All were Greek born and fled to Odessa.

Almost all Greeks in Anatolia spoke Greek or Greek dialects. And those that spoke Turkish very rarely rebeleed because ethe vast majority has been turkified.

Don't stir up shit 10,000 miles away. I don't give Australia advice on how to handle Indonesia or China, you have zero things happening for you in Greece. If Turkey got into a war with Greece you'd be still in Australia. If Greeks get killed in a war with Albania you'd still be in Australia. You have nothing to lose, so don't stir up shit from the easy vantage point of living abroad with an Australian citizenship.

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Baoooba@reddit

I'm not calling for irredentism, I'm just saying those in the diaspora calling for irredentism arnt 4th generation, they are usually born there.

In regard to you knowledge of Greek history please do some reading as it's insulting that someone who is from Greece can make such idiotic statement. And I say this is for your own good.

To make statement like those who spoke "Turkish rarely rebelled becuase they were Turkified". Like what does that mean? The population exchanges had nothing to do with what language anyone spoke or if they were Turkified. It was based on religion. It's actually mind-blowing that you as a Greek isnt aware of this.

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icancount192@reddit

Of those that were in the population exchange, almost all spoke Greek.

East Thrace Greeks, Constantinople Greeks, Smyrna Greek, East Pontus Greeks all spoke Greek. Only the tiny minority of Karamanlides and West Pontus (τουρκόφωνοι) didn't speak Greek. All in all would be less than 5%

Don't wag your finger if you don't know what you're talking about.

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Baoooba@reddit

Far out mate, you go on a rant about how conservative the diaspora Greeks are but now spreading nationalistic nonsense.

All in all would be less than 5%

It would have been higher than 5%. The Karamanlides alone are often estimated at around 100,000 Turkish-speaking Orthodox Christians, which already gets you over 5% by themselves. And they weren’t the only ones.

Just like in Macedonia you had villages that spoke Slavic but identified as Greek, across Anatolia there were plenty of Orthodox communities whose everyday language was Turkish.

The vast majority of turkified Greeks today live in Turkey and identify as Turks. They even converted to Islam as to not pay taxes.

Only those who converted. Those that were Christian couldn't stay, even if they wanted too. This was the same with Greek speaking Muslims in Greece.

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icancount192@reddit

The majority converted. And if Karamanlides were 100,000 they were 7%.

Yes, Karamanlides and West Pontians (τουρκόφωνοι) were the only ones.

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WanaxAndreas@reddit

Why tf do you almost always post inflammatory posts ,and why do the mods do nothing lately to posts such us yours.

You bring the quality of this sub to an all time low

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Starfalloss@reddit (OP)

You’re taking it a bit too serious bro.

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TopObjective754@reddit

His talking is on point, you are the one who is being an ars

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Starfalloss@reddit (OP)

That isn’t my intention at all so I apologize if you take it that way, I just posted this cause I thought it was funny, but of course it’s the Balkans so it turns into a major controversy…

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StunningAd1651@reddit

Complaining about inflammatory posts in a balkan subreddit; you're just ragebaiting yourself

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Dependent_Guard903@reddit

But we (99.9%) do not want this shit simple as that

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Dependent_Guard903@reddit

Truly this guy must be a Golden Dawn supporter or something. Shame. 99.9% of greeks in greece do not want to annex Northern Epirus or any other region on that matter. I reported him anyway.

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_Winter-Wolf_@reddit

So the twinks really come from Greece

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merdeauxfraises@reddit

Yet another inflammatory post for no reason, with a pic of an event that's not even taking place in the Balkans. As a Greek, I have to say most Greeks in the actual country of Greece don't claim those who are 17th generation immigrants in the USA and Australia. They are completely disconnected from the greek reality, current beliefs and generally the nation itself (despite the self-delusion they inflict upon themselves to think they 're somehow still Greek).

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Baoooba@reddit

As a Greek, I have to say most Greeks in the actual country of Greece don't claim those who are 17th generation immigrants in the USA and Australia.

What are you trying to say here? What does this even mean?

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Dependent_Guard903@reddit

It means that these people are out of touch with the current reality of greece and they hold their conservative greatgrandparents backwards viewpoints and some traditions that's it.

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Baoooba@reddit

dont think the diaspora has a stronger irredentist view than the those in Greece. Sure there is a minority that share this view, but this exists in Greece too.

The Greeks in the picture are probably Greeks from Northern Epirus or least their parents or grandparents.

greatgrandparents

Greatgrandarents!? Hahaha what are they 2 years old? You think anyone with that distant of a connection to Greece even cares (if they are old enough too)?

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Dependent_Guard903@reddit

First of all the biggest and first greek immigration wave happened up until 1924 and yes as you can see there are teens in the picture, so they could certainly be 4th generation immigrants. They are most likely from Northern Epirus I agree. Also, the only people that share that view are few far right lutanics. About traditions and viewpoints some of them pass from older generation to the other especially in closed immigrant communities

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Baoooba@reddit

First of all the biggest and first greek immigration wave happened up until 1924

Hmmm I dont know if any Greeks that came that eary are still holding onto any form of Greek identity and therefore hold any political view. Atleast where I live all the Greeks arrived between 1950's and early 1970's.

Also, the only people that share that view in greece are few far right lutanics.

It's not an insignificant amount though. Far right parties like Ελληνική Λύση and the new Spartans party, still get representation in Greek parliament.

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merdeauxfraises@reddit

It is insignificant in terms of absolute numbers and a potential offensive war. The people who voted for the party you mentioned are 4.44% of the voters who are already only \~52% of the total population. This mathematically means that the people who voted for this party are 2.3% of the total population, therefore about 235,498 people. In terms of a country, this is a pretty small group.

Now, if you take into account the demographics of this group, these are mostly old people. Do you believe that if SOMEHOW the actual governing party decided that the view of these 235K people is correct, they wouldn't know that these people are not the ones that will actually go fight? In order to have a war, you need to be able to draft people. Right now young greeks don't even want to go to their 12-month army consignment in peaceful times where they only make beds and peel potatoes. Who would actually fight?

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Baoooba@reddit

I don't know what your point is here. I'm not saying that the irredentist view is widespread in Greece, I'm saying it forms a small minority, just like it does the diaspora. To say it doesn't exist in Greece and only exists in the diaspora is a lie. And to say it is widespread in the diaspora is also a lie.

You seem to think that every Greek in the diaspora share these views, they don't.

The people who voted for the party you mentioned are 4.44% of the voters

EL -4.44% Spartans - 4.68%

If you include Niki, that's a further 3.7%

Furthermore, they accumulated over 16% in the 2024 European elections combined.

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Possible-Wallaby-877@reddit

I noticed a lot for these posts here, not just about Greeks but in general. Always some small inflammatory single event, with some innocent question like "how do you feel about this?" Or " Is this true?"

Wouldn't be surprised if there is some malicious intent behind these types of posts. We know there are certain non European countries who use social media to drive division here....

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merdeauxfraises@reddit

I agree 100% that they are malicious or ill-intended at the very least. The "how do you feel about XYZ?" posts should be banned straight up. Picking a niche part of the population to ask about is just plain weird. If it was a popular opinion, it wouldn't be shared by a small group alone, so the question is pointless to begin with.

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UltraTata@reddit

If I was the emperor of a Balkan country I would sign agreements with neighbours to jointly censor irredentist movements.

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Dependent_Guard903@reddit

Do you still have an irredentist problem in spain or has it died by now. For example in northern epirus despite what they would lead you to believe there is no movement (from either side).

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UltraTata@reddit

We don't have irredentism but we do have separatism. Separatists aren't as enthusiastic rn but they still have huge influence. Unionist parties such as PSOE (left) or PP (right) constantly concede on separatist laws that disproportionately benefit Catalonia or Basque Country in exchange for their congress votes.

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Dependent_Guard903@reddit

Thanks for the info!

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Legal_Apartment5789@reddit

But yall will never get it 🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻

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Palagrin@reddit

dont fall for the ragebait mate

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Starfalloss@reddit (OP)

Looks like most ppl are taking it that way tbh I just posted this cause I thought it was funny.

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Dependent_Guard903@reddit

Not funny whatsoever

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Palagrin@reddit

assuming that you re being genuine, you need to be more aware of where you re posting this stuff mate. This is r/askbalkans of course people are going to assume that this represents a real movement with actual supporters in greece

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El_chaplo@reddit

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Starfalloss@reddit (OP)

Calm down.

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Dependent_Guard903@reddit

OP has been reported 2 times now.. Ban eminent?

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Royal_Association750@reddit

Poor people fighting over which region they can continue to be poor and ruled by corrupt rich people. A tale as old as time

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Greek_Bodybuilder995@reddit

Oddly enough, Southern Albania has a bright future ahead of it.

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Dependent_Guard903@reddit

*Not even that, uneducated conservative 4th generation people of a country, in a parade in New York, that probably hold their old grandparents backwards view points, without even being in contact with the modern country as it is. I apologize in their place.

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thanasis87kav@reddit

That would've been the case of quarrels between Balkan nations in the 90s, now the majority is in EU, more prosperous in every conceivable metric. Only a few pockets of backwardness remain.

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basedfinger@reddit

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merdeauxfraises@reddit

100% this

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Greek_Bodybuilder995@reddit

I hate to break it to you, but most Northern Epirotes don’t give a shit about reintegration to Greece anymore. Maybe my mum‘s hometown of Himara might be interested, but not the villages around Himara and certainly not Vuno (which is Edi Rama‘s village in fact). Are there attempts or fringe opinions? Sure. But I, like most Northern Epirotes, am not in favour because an independence war against Albania would split entire families. Plus, the Albanian Army would have been reinforced with Italian and Turkish Army reinforcements and many Northern Epirotes would actually fight for Albania instead of the revolutionaries whereas many would fight as well. Essentially, you would see cousins, brothers and spouses who loved one another suddenly start killing each other in the name of Greece. And for what? To pay twice the amount in taxes in Greece if „liberated“? Or to actually have to engage the Albanian or Italian or Turkish Armies on our own soil? Bear in mind, back under Hoxha, most boomer and Gen X Northern Epirotes served Albania. So I can guarantee you there will be Northern Epirotes who enlist in the Albanian Army.

Most Greeks are very naive. Many lies have been said about Northern Epirus.

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KathenWalle6@reddit

The crap people are wasting time with instead of just going to work and sitting at home

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Mastussopingado@reddit

Maybe life should be mkre than that, no?

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dancesquared@reddit

Should it? Work and family is, has been, and always will be 99% of what living entails.

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icancount192@reddit

That's a sad way to think about life.

It doesn't have to be ultranationalist demonstrations or family.

Life can be about creating, fighting for your fellow man and a better future, getting better as a person, living and interacting with others.

To see individualistic endeavors as the end goal is to spit on your human potential.

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dancesquared@reddit

Life can be about creating, fighting for your fellow man and a better future, getting better as a person, living and interacting with others.

A lot of these are luxuries enjoyed by the precious and privileged few, which can often only be afforded off the backs of laborers.

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icancount192@reddit

The most destitute people in the 20th century became artists and fighters for civil rights, labor rights and freed their countries from foreign influence and colonialism. Coal miners in Virginia and farmers in Vietnam. Slum musicians and Yugoslav partisans.

It's not about privilege. Sure having free time can help. But it''s about what you prioritize in life and how you think about change.

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dancesquared@reddit

I agree to an extent. Ideally, I would like to agree more, but there are also certain hard realities we must confront, too.

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icancount192@reddit

I don't disagree that it becomes harder for the average person. I would pose that we are more burdened with responsibilities though.

Pay the rent, get kids to schools, extracurricular activities, have a clean house, pay the mortgage, pay the bills, do the next thing.

Thes people that fought often felt like they had nothing to lose. We, feel like we have a lot to lose.

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cikeZ00@reddit

I respectfully refuse lol

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Super-Estate-4112@reddit

I mean you will only live once, why waste time not sitting at home? /s

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Good_Adhesiveness850@reddit

What do you wanna do?

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Substratas@reddit

Indigenous 💀

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Winter-Speech978@reddit

Who are the indigenous Greeks? The Pontic?

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Lothronion@reddit

There has been an uninterrupted continuity of Greek presence in the area of modern Southern Albania since around the 25th century BC, when the Proto-Greek tribes were forming the West Proto-Greeks and the East Proto-Greeks, the former being the Proto-Abantes and Proto-Dorians, the latter the Proto-Aeolians, Proto-Ionians and Proto-Achaeans. And it seems, at least according to linguist and expert on the matter, Michael B. Sakellariou, that the Proto-Abantes would actually spread as far as today's Central Albania. I personally even speculate that the term "Abantes" and "Albanians" may be related. Now whether one might call a 45-centuries-long residence as “indigenous” or not is a different story, but if they are not, then the same applies for the Albanians, being in the area for as long a time.

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Starfalloss@reddit (OP)

Yes :)

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Palagrin@reddit

kindly fuck off and stop making people think that this a thing actual greeks want

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TechnicianTimely2879@reddit

No the New Yorker Greeks

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ThickCaterpillar9867@reddit

Yes🤣🤣

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ThickCaterpillar9867@reddit

Whole of Epirus belongs to Albania

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pitogyros@reddit

Don’t forget the autochthonous Tehran , Rome and Munich 🦅👐👐👐🥵🥵🥵🥳🥳✊✊🐣

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ThickCaterpillar9867@reddit

No no what really belongs to us and you know it very well ,are you from Pontus??

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pitogyros@reddit

I am from Pontus , Arabia , Ethiopia and I got some distant relatives in Kabul in Afghanistan ( probably due to Alexander the Great conquest 💪🏻 )

I did a dna test and I got 0% Greek but I know that’s lie and I am 512% Greek 💪🏻 🇬🇷

And you ? Are you from neighbouring Azerbaijan? ❤️🤗

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ThickCaterpillar9867@reddit

You can keep exaggerating it but the reality is quite close to your exaggeration. Im native to the balkans ,did you ever visit your relatives in Pontus??or they all settled in Epirus after 1920s??

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pitogyros@reddit

Of course you are native Illyrian Balkaner , I see it on your username , only a true Illyrian can be thick 🍆🥵

Sadly no my relatives didn’t settle in Epirus but deep inside I wish they so maybe I could get some autochthonous Illyrian eagles in my gene pool :( 🦅

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ThickCaterpillar9867@reddit

What Ilyrian🤣🤣all those ancient civilisation were wiped out and ,only Greeks and Macedonians decided to pick those ancient names after 1500years of being called Roman 🤣🤣Im not that delulu like you

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pitogyros@reddit

Don’t reject your identity brother ! The word Albanian comes from the Illyrian tribe , Albanoi , why are you shy to admit the glory ? 💪🏻

We are brothers 🤗

Did you know Illyrians sound like i-lyra like the Ancient Greek music instrument ? ( some Turkish nationalists might say it’s coming from the Turkish lira currency but don’t believe those lies )

It proves that Greeks and Albanians were always brothers 🇦🇱❤️🇺🇾

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Legal_Apartment5789@reddit

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PlayfulMountain6@reddit

Lol, they are ready to call themselves indigenous even right there, in USA 😂

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Empty-Pace-4228@reddit

Greeks want to invade Albania, Macedonia and Turkey. No surprise that their fantasies of ethnic cleansing on the Turks is heavier than their European counterparts.

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pitogyros@reddit

Yes because some Greco American banner , 150% of Greeks wanna invade everyone ! 😂

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Empty-Pace-4228@reddit

I didn't know it was from New York. But they have their relatives in Greece am I right? Turks in Europe visit their country every year, stay with their relatives, even vote.

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pitogyros@reddit

American Greeks left nearly 100 years ago and have no touch with Greece , all they know about Greece is Hollywood movies and 3-4 Greek words that they throw in when speaking English

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Empty-Pace-4228@reddit

Oh sorry I didn't know that. I thought it was like the Turkish community in Germany

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merdeauxfraises@reddit

Germany is way closer and the turkish cohorts you speak about left relatively recently. Most of the Greeks who left for Australia or USA were between 1800s-1960s. They have zero actual connection to Greeks in Greece, apart from distant family members who many a time don't even know them. Very different situations.

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pitogyros@reddit

American Greeks are same case with Australian Greeks , the only Greek communities who keep in touch with homeland is the ones in Europe

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merdeauxfraises@reddit

I assure you, Greeks don't want any of that. All we want is a functional country and many of us wish the army was abolished in the general area of all the countries you mentioned so we can finally live peacefully.

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Empty-Pace-4228@reddit

If you say so... But let me notify you. Most people in Turkey recognize Greece's approchement with France and Israel as a preparation for "Something bigger" presumably something bigger against them you know...

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SatisfactionSpecial2@reddit

Our government has not enough public support to start an offensive war
We couldn't control Turkey even if you just gifted the whole country to us
I don't think we could even really beat Turkey
France isn't going to start a war with Turkey either

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Titanius_Angelsmyth@reddit

Most people in Turkey recognize Greece's approchement with France and Israel as a preparation for "Something bigger" presumably something bigger against them you know...

That's their problem.
They can:

- see the reality (Greece doesnt want anything from Turkey),

-live in fear

-visit a shrink to resolve the fear and realize that our everyday struggles and hardships are caused by our fellow countrymen and our own government.

Their lives, their choice!

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merdeauxfraises@reddit

You 're confusing what our fucking government does to what the people want. I 'm talking about the people. I like your example of Israel because the only greeks I know who are supporting Israel are literally crazy 70 year olds with on foot in the pit of dementia.

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Dependent_Guard903@reddit

Truly not. These guys are descendants probably of old more conservative immigrants in New York from Epirus that still hold on to these illusions. Also, nobody in greece except few far right people don't even want or imagine invading another country. And we are not the ones threatening annexation in the Aegean nowdays.

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