Cancer rates are rising in younger people, possibly linked to lifestyle factors like obesity. Does this news influence how you think about your own lifestyle, or not?
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VictoryAppropriate68@reddit
Every single tiny thing causes cancer. I’ve spent my whole life growing up being told ‘don’t eat that it gives you cancer’ and many other forms. If I’m going to get it I’m going to get it. I’m not going to cut out basic enjoyment from life on the off chance something I chose to do might give me cancer. People who have abstained and lived ‘clean’ lives still get cancer.
Smugness1917@reddit
You don't have to cut out enjoyment from life. Many things cause cancer, but with different probabilities. It can be a matter of simply reducing how much or often you do or eat things that are of high risk of cancer.
VictoryAppropriate68@reddit
I get what you’re saying about moderation, and I don’t disagree with that in principle. I just think it gets to a point where it feels like everything has some level of risk attached to it.
Like even things that are generally considered healthy like spending time in the sun for vitamin D still carry a cancer risk if you overdo it. So for me, I’d rather not overthink every little choice day to day.
I’m not saying ignore obvious risks, just that I don’t want to live in a mindset where I’m constantly worrying “is this one thing going to give me cancer?” I’d rather focus on overall balance and actually enjoying life.
escapingfromelba@reddit
There used to be a spoof site that tracked Daily Mail claims about what causes cancer because it's been such a media staple for so long. Some things logged as both helping and causing cancer iirc.
Particular-Bet8730@reddit
I kinda think as 21st century humans were caught in the middle of a war of attrition between incredible advances in life saving medical research and an ever mounting burden of harmful influences (microplastics, pollutants etc). It’s all too much for me to think about a lot, so I just try to live my life as best I can and not worry about it
escapingfromelba@reddit
I'm going to disagree with ever mounting harms when it comes to the environment as we're probably in the best state we've been in since pre-industrial revolution. Imagine what walking down the street inhaling coal smoke did to us, then lead in early cars or industrial chimneys along with water that wasn't checked so well plus old pesticides on food or substances floating about in the air in the workplace.
A big issue we have is the miracle of science. Even poor people can eat themselves to death and millions of people no longer do any physical work whilst the toil that consumed us at home doing chores has been slashed right down. Hundreds of little micro labour saving actions have us doing so little many of us pay money and burn up leisure time exercising.
BG3restart@reddit
I think genetics is more a factor than lifestyle. When you see people like Mick Jagger and Elton John, who did all the drugs and all the alcohol, living to a good age, you have to question whether some people are just hardwired to get sick and others are not. I've had friends who lived virtuous lives, stayed slim and fit, yet died of bowel cancer before they reached 50, then I've got other friends who drank excessively every single day of their lives and ate crap, yet are now in their 70s with no obvious illnesses other than the usual dodgy knees.
escapingfromelba@reddit
IIRC listening to medical type people talk, it sounds like a sort of alignment of factors. As in genetics might predispose you to a negative outcome, but its not certain as the factors that need to set it off might not be in your lifestyle.
For every person that seems to have got away with living like crap we usually forget those that fell by the wayside far earlier or at least had a crap quality of life many years before they should have. If I look at the seriously overweight people I know, then once the years have accumulated they end up doing all sorts of workarounds to avoid effort whether that be not going to see the sights on holiday as they involve a walk up some hill to driving around for ages to find parking when a short walk to the bus stop would have saved a load of faff. Their bad living means they close off opportunities for themselves and often their family have to go along with it too.
BrexitVoter@reddit
Leeeeeroy-Jenkins@reddit
Not this news no,
But as somebody who stays “engaged” with trends in the world, I’ve made some priority shifts in recent years about how I look after myself.
I’m a millennial, and as a young adult many of my peers drank excessively several times per week and often dabbled in hard drugs with questionable origins. Nobody really exercised unless they were involved in sports, some of us (like me) were overweight or obese and our diets were terrible even twenty years ago.
There’s so many things we’ve done to excess, or tend to still do in younger generations that aren’t good for our health, and preceding generations did it too. Some of my speculation is that preceding generations passed on damaged cellular structure to their offspring.
The best thing any of us can do is:
Stop drinking. That doesn’t mean never drink again, but it is habitual and regular for so many people and there’s so much research that concludes there’s no safe intake of alcohol.
Stop smoking. Very few people who are lifelong smokers are in perfect health. You are paying eye watering amounts of money to destroy your health. It’s the biggest con going.
Lose weight if you’re obese/carrying too much bodyfat. This is a sensitive subject, but to simplify, visceral fat (waistline) is the biggest problem.
Exercise. Do something for around two hours a week, and move as much as possible during the day.
Reduce red meat and processed meat consumption. Both are carcinogenic and linked to poor health.
Improve dietary habits, more fiber particularly.
Take every screening offered, go to your GP regularly whenever something feels off.
The rest is wholly subjective.
Infinite-Rest-1010@reddit
I always find this interesting. If alcohol, smoking and unhealthy diets were the primary cause, we should expect to see a decrease in cancer rates. And yet we aren’t.
On the other hand, people grossly underestimate societal factors such as car fumes in cities.
BrexitVoter@reddit
It's because we were brought up to hate Jamie Oliver. His documentary is eye opening watching it back as a 32 year old.
He literally brought receipts that simple school meal changes had stopped little kids from needing their inhaler, and the industry shit on him and taught us all to hate him
forgottenoldusername@reddit
Eh, my childhood sweetheart turned wife was beautifully fit, eats really well (we own a small holding), exercised relentlessly, no health conditions to note
She was fine one day, the next day she has a collapsed lung and needed emergency surgery. Literally no signs anything was wrong the day before, the next day we were told it cannot get confirmed without biopsy but it's very serious and almost certainly cancer.
The moment the biopsy came back - we knew it was going to end her life within a few years (it's been 2 so far 🤞)
So on one hand - yes, it does worry me. The increasing cancer rates for people our age, and seeing what happened to my partner, absolutely makes me worry.
But on the flip side - I guess seeing the harsh randomness of life kind of makes me think what's the point?
Obviously I'm not going to treat my body like shit because life can throw a bastard curve ball anyway; but I'm also not prepared to cut out little joys of life in full, when the risk of it going tits up anyway is always present
jordsta95@reddit
That sucks to hear, especially when she was doing everything "right". I hope that the time you have left together is as long and happy as can be, at least.
A friend's friend (26 or 27) died of cancer a few months back, and she was generally a healthy person before.
My mum was diagnosed a few weeks ago, and she's been on a massive health kick the past few years.
It really doesn't seem to make much of a difference what sort of life you lead. When the figures say 1 in 2 people get cancer, to me I just see it is as a coin flip, not something we can really control.
We hope for a long time with the ones we love, but we should also aim for a good time with them. I'm not saying we should all get fat eating the food we love, destroy our livers with the booze some crave, and shoot up every drug imaginable. But trying to avoid everything which allegedly causes cancer doesn't seem to make an iota of difference, so we should just aim to have as good of a life as possible whilst we can enjoy it.
DameKumquat@reddit
Cancer rates are rising for everyone - it's only bowel cancer which appears to be rising faster in the young. https://www.icr.ac.uk/about-us/icr-news/detail/global-study-challenges--cancer-epidemic--in-young-adults---except-for-bowel-cancer
How much of the increase is down to better detection rates and simply not dying of other things younger, is hard to tell.
But there's been a huge change in young people's diets over the last 50 years, to way less chewy and fibrous food, and way more hidden sugars, even for people who eat a reasonable amount of fruit and veg. Fizzy pop was a can-a-week treat or birthday parties, 50 years ago - no-one downed it like they do since the fast food chains made huge fizzy drinks popular.
And the amount of sitting still people do. Even if you hit the gym daily, you're likely sitting around much of the rest of the time. Huge change, as far as bodies are concerned.
ceb1995@reddit
Mum got breast cancer last year at 55 despite avoiding almost every risk factor for most of her life and my dad died of a rare mutation that caused his aorta to rupture in his 30s.
So genuinely increasing numbers haven't influenced me I've just done what I can at the time for most of my life anyway whilst still having the little joys where I can.
I wouldn't ever cut every processed food for example but I go to the gym regularly now, aim to 10-15k steps a day and I ve successfully managed two years off of asthma medication now but I still enjoy some cake and a good coffee as the bad still happens randomly to people anyway.
Smugness1917@reddit
Not because of this news, but because of family history.
I have reduced the intake of ultra processed food.
People who downplay cancer or the risks of getting it have absolutely no idea how hard it is to go through, for the person and for the loves ones.
WheresMyFlamingo@reddit
It's one of those things that only hit home when you or someone else you know has it.
I've massively reduced my UPF consumption I still do have some bits and pieces there but I try to make it an 85/15 split of good to bad food ratio.
Only thing you can do really is stop smoking, drinking, eat well and sleep and avoid stress.
PingouinFluffy@reddit
My relative was 30 when she was diagnosed with lymphoma. Non Hodgkins. Hodgkins does have a link with glandular fever and she hadn't (knowingly) had that.
She didn't drink or smoke or use drugs. She exercised, was and still is, very slim. She didn't eat bacon or any processed meats and never did as a child. We don't have cancer in the family.
I think there is much more to this than simple lifestyle measures and obesity. In fact, it is almost as though they are trying to blame the individual for developing a potentially fatal illness by being fat or smoking or drinking or eating rubbish etc.
They should focus much more on the positive outcomes being achieved through the use of new drugs and immunotherapy which is saving so many lives. She has been in remission now for 5 years, all through excellent and timely medical care and expertise. Well done to the NHS.
Opposite_Radio9388@reddit
I always side-eye phrases like this when they are unqualified. What is 'healthy' for each individual may not look the same as what's considered 'healthy' at a generic population level. People need to make their own choices, informed by evidence-based science and their own experiences, preferences, and goals.
Party-Dig2309@reddit
Aren’t repeat Covid infections linked to cancer?
It’s weird how there’s so much studies out there showing the long term impacts of catching it and yet we seem to just pretend it doesn’t exist any more.
Smugness1917@reddit
Everyone got Covid, not just younger people. This news shows that the rise was particularly in the young.
W51976@reddit
I think it’s all the sugary snack foods that younger people eat now. They might not drink as much Alcohol, but, everything they eat is laced with sugar. Donuts, chocolate bars, pastries and cakes, and meal deals.
iffyClyro@reddit
Nah cause at 35 I’m probably not considered a “young person” anymore and I’m not obese.
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