What's happenning to Greek online anonimity?
Posted by HumanMan00@reddit | AskBalkans | View on Reddit | 46 comments
I just saw a short where they say Greeks will no longer be able to use the web anonimusly. How is this taken by the Greek?
BurgurluGenc031@reddit
Worldwide wannabe dictators trend ı think. Australia started it england followed it turkey and greece announced dates for it. Bye bye internet moment.
btweenthatormohammad@reddit
Turkey is pushing the same thing too, Greek's doing their thing again and stealing from us.
Orthodox-Paradox@reddit
Last summer, I was saying that those UK spy all policies will be slowly brought to Greece in different ways and my lib-prog friends called me a conspiracy theorist conservative.
For my next trick I will tell you about Greece being the next country to suggest chat control in the EU and also adding addendums about anonymity on other platforms.
Lvl100Centrist@reddit
Well, seems like you were wiser than most. But since we are talking about predictions, I think VPNs will be next. By the end of the decade, using a VPN will be far more difficult, with extra verification, restrictions and limitations etc.
Orthodox-Paradox@reddit
It is already starting with many countries trying to make deals with companies about potential "terrorists". All VPN companies tied to Israel , do offer such data upon request (asaf) to Israel and "friendly" governments.
Only Tor can save us (for now).
LaVeriteEstDansLeVin@reddit
It's supposedly to prevent teens from getting addicted on social media etc... (from what they said, only 16+ will be able to access social media) In reality, they want to abolish anonymity on the internet.
Idk if it'll happen and how but if we'll have to upload ID to use reddit, then goodbye reddit.
Substantial-Peach-90@reddit
Exactly. Eventually you’ll have to upload your id, then to make it more accessible they will say that will all need to have digital id and an internet profile connected to all our accounts.
Internet is very fresh in our timeline, it has been free and all until now, in the future we’ll have some kind of digital dictatorship unfortunately and people don’t see it
foothepepe@reddit
'think of the kids' is the usual bait.
parents should monitor their kids, not the state to monitor kids AND parents.
User20242024@reddit
Greek minister clearly say that it is not about the kids:
https://www.euractiv.com/news/greece-to-ban-anonymity-on-social-media/
Lotofagos_@reddit
The ruling party, New Democracy, is putting an end to it next year. Verification checks (ID, passport etc.) for Greek citizens to access the internet, but the plan for the exact official verification process haven't been revealed to the public yet. We'll see when they actually pass the law.
No idea. The prime minister announced it to the Greek public like 2 weeks ago, it's fresh. New Democracy has the majority in the Greek parliament, they'll be voting the law soon and they will start enforcing it early next year.
HumanMan00@reddit (OP)
While most are worried or happy in the comments this will detere people from being nationalistic online (and being marked when accessing nudy content like in UK) what worries me is destruction of organizational capabilities of the public to network and push back on corruption and organizations of protests.
The only reason we can actually protest here effectivly is online anonimity.
The tracking of people online gives governments unprecedented control over communication and organizational capabilities.
Lotofagos_@reddit
I agree with you bro. You asked a question and as a Greek I answered it.
The excuse our prime minister used for the upcoming verification of Greek citizens on social media was "to protect children under the age of 15 from being exposed to the toxicity of online social media platforms". The UK and Australia made similar claims when they passed their own online ID checks last year, but both of us know this is a bullshit claim lol. The real reason is for ruling parties to gain an upper hand on the political discourse and to silence (or even prosecute, who knows) political dissidence in the future. It is an authoritarian measure to control the political narrative, and can be easily abused by malicious actors.
Anyways, Greece will make the start inside the EU and I'm pretty sure the Turkish government will be implementing something similar soon. Anonymity on social media will become a thing of the past in the West soon.
HumanMan00@reddit (OP)
If there isnt massive public pushback before that.
As someone in the comment already said - children should be controled by theor parents not the government.
Hopefully you push back on this one on time.
Lotofagos_@reddit
I'm afraid there's nothing to push back to. The ruling party, New Democracy, has the majority in the Greek parliament, which means they can pass whatever law they like. The only chance of the law not passing is:
a) if it's deemed unconstitutional by the Greek Supreme Court and gets struck down (unlikely to happen) or
b) if the European Commission objects to it and tries to block it (pretty unlikely as well)
HumanMan00@reddit (OP)
Goodbye freedom than. This shit really worries me. If EU does this and it starts with Greece our idiots can pull of "in order to get in EU we need this" BS.
Lotofagos_@reddit
Yeah, 100%. This will snowball hard in the upcoming months. Like I told you:
foothepepe@reddit
Greeks were never fully independent from UK, and UK will push whatever deems necessary internationally through Greece to make it a trend.
We are loosing privacy and being censored, monitored and controlled one step at the time.
It's maybe easy to fool somebody from a better country that this is good - I can see only disaster if a tool like that would be placed in the corrupt government hands.
SOHONEYSAME@reddit
r u stupid?
HumanMan00@reddit (OP)
Well one of your countrymen said the same thing on this thread.
SOHONEYSAME@reddit
okay?
I don't give a crap.
Greece England relationship has been (somewhat) "hostile" if anything since 1950's.
(we practically "dumped" each other, in fact this is the reason Greek government publicly "demanding" the marbles in the 80's - there was no longer any need, to "play nice" w/ England).
we barely work w/ them.
England was important from Crimean war to WW2 - to ensure expansion, & safeguard our gains. (something Serbia largely failed to do).
but it's irrelevant for us, now.
HumanMan00@reddit (OP)
Girl you reqlly thought youd trigger me with that bracketed comment 😂
The thing is - this is folliwing UKs footsteps and thats beyond a doubt. You may not officially work together but this is a play from their book.
SOHONEYSAME@reddit
no,
I have 0 reason to shit on Serbia.
but if ur going to go out of ur way to "make up" fantasies, I respond accordingly.
the guy above said "Greece is not independent from England"
like, lol.
England is 100% irrelevant (unless u mean English tourists) for Greek foreign policy, lol.
France & Israel r Greek "top allies" (& US is obviously FAR, FAR more important than England).
HumanMan00@reddit (OP)
I agree.
LaVeriteEstDansLeVin@reddit
It's not the UK. It's our own government's initiative. Our PM wants to be among the first to do it inside the EU and encourages everyone else to follow.
User20242024@reddit
Your country is an EU province, it has governors, not rulers, they have no initiative, they simply comply with imperial orders from EU imperial seat.
LaVeriteEstDansLeVin@reddit
There are things that we have to comply with, yes. But this isn't one of them.
User20242024@reddit
So, it is what they told you...
foothepepe@reddit
Yeah, but is it his idea? I would bet that the initiative came from UK under the table, to set the trend and not damage UK's already tarnished image when it comes to disastrous policies regarding net.. people already view them as oppressive.
LaVeriteEstDansLeVin@reddit
I think the first country to do it is Australia.
736384826@reddit
Not sure what you’re on about.
-Comment created by Nikos Papadopoulos (AFM: 76298756)
gesti2002@reddit
Ngl the Balkans need this
HumanMan00@reddit (OP)
You'll have to explain a bit better.
gesti2002@reddit
No more Kosova is serbia and vice versa if u put a face into them
foothepepe@reddit
Kosovo is Serbia. Why would that be controversial to hide the identity?
gesti2002@reddit
😂😂😂😂funny dude
foothepepe@reddit
I wasn't joking. Having to hide identity is not funny.
gesti2002@reddit
Okay jew of the Balkans, don’t hide this too
foothepepe@reddit
"jew of the Balkans" I wish.
*uses territory, take arms, make terrorism, have USA help, make state*.. who does it reminds you of?
Ujemegaz@reddit
Don't worry. Our country is not petty, unlike Serbia.
gesti2002@reddit
Although now that im thinking about it this won’t work in the balkans cause the government themselves tolerates and won’t prosecute this behavior
Xawlet@reddit
Dead internet theory kinda real nowadays idk.
User20242024@reddit
It will come to us as well. Obviously, it was not invention of governors of Greek satrapy, but order of imperial overlords from Brussels. In the future, we will have two forms of the internet: 1. "official" internet, where you will not have privacy, but which you will use only to check service or weather info (if you are smart), and 2. you will have dark web, which you will use for everything else like old internet.
Winter-Speech978@reddit
About time
HumanMan00@reddit (OP)
You'll have to explain a bit better.
StevenAdamsInDallas@reddit
No more Attaturks with Greek flags, only doomer Papadopulous posts incoming.
Substratas@reddit
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