easier with some than others admittedly. Epicurus was a total bro and I see no downside to living by his creed, whereas Hobbes basically just says dictators are good because one person imposing all the rules is better than a million people all trying to assert their own control (I know he lived through a brutal civil war but that is still an incredibly stupid take)
fr. epicurus got such an unbelievable amount of shit from like every stoic and then you read epicurus and he’s like “hey, live easy, be good to your bros, eliminate any desires you can, fulfill the ones you can’t, don’t fear death, have a good time, live modestly, you get the gist” and everyone was his homie til dude died of kidney stones
my bro got slandered so bad, “epicurean” is still a byword for a luxurious, opulent pleasure-seeking lifestyle. wtf?
”For it is not drinking bouts and continuous partying and enjoying boys and women, or consuming fish and the other dainties of an extravagant table, which produce the pleasant life, but sober calculation which searches out the reasons for every choice and avoidance and drives out the opinions which are the source of the greatest turmoil for men's souls. Prudence is the principle of all these things and is the greatest good.” Extant Letters 132
Schopenhauer is so trivial to understand he was criticized for it
Try reading Hegel, what the flying fuck is even a fenomenology or however tf you write it
I'm sure Hegel is just a psyop that no one really understands and intellectuals pretend they do and no one can prove they didn't because no one understood nothing and everyone is too afraid to admit
Hegel is like reading gibberish but Schopenhauer really isn't much better. Here is a random part of 'world as will and spirit'
"Whatever the thing-in-itself may be, Kant is right in his
conclusion that time, space, and causality (which we afterwards
found to be forms of the principle of sufficient reason, the
general expression of the forms of the phenomenon) are not its
properties, but come to it only after, and so far as, it has become
idea. That is, they belong only to its phenomenal existence, not
to itself. For since the subject fully understands and constructs
them out of itself, independently of all object, they must be
dependent upon existence as idea as such, not upon that which
becomes idea. They must be the form of the idea as such; but
not qualities of that which has assumed this form. They must
be already given with the mere antithesis of subject and object [156]
(not as concepts but as facts), and consequently they must be
only the more exact determination of the form of knowledge in
general, whose most universal determination is that antithesis
itself. Now, that in the phenomenon, in the object, which is in
its turn conditioned by time, space and causality, inasmuch as
it can only become idea by means of them, namely multiplicity,
through co-existence and succession, change and permanence through the law of causality, matter which can only become idea
under the presupposition of causality, and lastly, all that becomes
idea only by means of these,—all this, I say, as a whole, does
not in reality belong to that which appears, to that which has
passed into the form of idea, but belongs merely to this form
itself. And conversely, that in the phenomenon which is not
conditioned through time, space and causality, and which cannot
be referred to them, nor explained in accordance with them, is
precisely that in which the thing manifested, the thing-in-itself,
directly reveals itself. It follows from this that the most complete
capacity for being known, that is to say, the greatest clearness,
distinctness, and susceptibility of exhaustive explanation, will
necessarily belong to that which pertains to knowledge as such,
and thus to the form of knowledge; but not to that which in
itself is not idea, not object, but which has become knowledge
only through entering these forms; in other words, has become
idea, object. Thus only that which depends entirely upon being
an object of knowledge, upon existing as idea in general and
as such (not upon that which becomes known, and has only
become idea), which therefore belongs without distinction to
everything that is known, and which, on that account, is found
just as well if we start from the subject as if we start from the
object,—this alone can afford us without reserve a sufficient,
exhaustive knowledge, a knowledge which is clear to the very
foundation. But this consists of nothing but those forms of all
[157] phenomena of which we are conscious a priori, and which
may be generally expressed as the principle of sufficient reason.
Now, the forms of this principle which occur in knowledge of
perception (with which alone we are here concerned) are time,
space, and causality. The whole of pure mathematics and pure
natural science a priori is based entirely upon these. Therefore it
is only in these sciences that knowledge finds no obscurity, does
not rest upon what is incomprehensible (groundless, i.e., will),
upon what cannot be further deduced. It is on this account that Kant wanted, as we have said, to apply the name science specially
and even exclusively to these branches of knowledge together
with logic. But, on the other hand, these branches of knowledge
show us nothing more than mere connections, relations of one
idea to another, form devoid of all content. All content which
they receive, every phenomenon which fills these forms, contains
something which is no longer completely knowable in its whole
nature, something which can no longer be entirely explained
through something else, something then which is groundless,
through which consequently the knowledge loses its evidence
and ceases to be completely lucid. This that withholds itself
from investigation, however, is the thing-in-itself, is that which
is essentially not idea, not object of knowledge, but has only
become knowable by entering that form. The form is originally
foreign to it, and the thing-in-itself can never become entirely
one with it, can never be referred to mere form, and, since this
form is the principle of sufficient reason, can never be completely
explained. If therefore all mathematics affords us an exhaustive
knowledge of that which in the phenomena is quantity, position,
number, in a word, spatial and temporal relations; if all etiology
gives us a complete account of the regular conditions under
which phenomena, with all their determinations, appear in time
and space, but, with it all, teaches us nothing more than why
in each case this particular phenomenon must appear just at [158]
this time here, and at this place now; it is clear that with
their assistance we can never penetrate to the inner nature of
things.
Most people try reading philosophy and find it utterly incomprehensible, so they dismiss it as meaningless, pompous, arbitrary, and subjective intellectual farce, in the same vein as other “unemployable” degrees lacking academic rigor like cultural studies, sociology, etc.
They’re right about the pompous part, but acquiring even a basic understanding of some philosophy (Hegel for instance) requires a high capability of abstract thought and logic. People who are very good and well-practiced at abstract thought and logic can often be described by the general term of “smart.” And “smart” people, to the surprise of nobody, tend to be more successful than the average person, because the average person is not smart.
In my experience, philosophy students are usually pretty intelligent, in stark contrast to the stereotype. This is mostly because dumb students tend to switch to an easier major where the reading is not so difficult and dense. There’s a reason philosophy is such a heavy component of most prelaw curricula, and it’s not just tradition.
You’re correct, and I wish more people understood this. When people hear one of majors is philosophy they assume it is useless and ask why I am doing it. My response is usually “Because I’m useless” with a smile, because I don’t have the patience to explain what you just did.
this is how majors in philosophy do it, they don't read directly from the source, they read essays on the thinking of philosophers. and yes, it's a common practice in the academia to do so
“Socrates didn’t write anything down”, that’s his philosophy, right there.
“Why would I write any of this down? What, you think people want to read what I think? Get your head out of your ass. Now if you’ll excuse me, I need to go continue to refuse to bathe.”
Because it's a serious discipline. But if you want to read one of them out of curiosity, read the few arguments of why that specific book has written and you can understand the main discussion.
W1D0WM4K3R@reddit
I prefer going back to the real classics.
PoshDiggory@reddit
Jfc I never nutted so quick in my entire life.
JumpingCoconut@reddit
Just pick 3 favorites and call the rest overrated. Brings you through uni while girls think you're deep
Tomachian@reddit
Clavicular, andrew tate and the dude with a mcdonals crown are my favorite philosophers. The rest are kinda overrated
nsaisspying@reddit
Socrates had better mental health than these fellers
hagamablabla@reddit
Where would Diogenes fall?
Real-Ad-1728@reddit
He already mentioned the guy with the Burger King crown
Malvastor@reddit
He'd probably beat off on their faces.
blippie@reddit
Why Sir, your selection is impeccable.
gnarlyhobo@reddit
https://i.redd.it/vfye0vtdj5yg1.gif
Cadwiz_11@reddit
How much bloodshed will it take for him to get some water?
luuga24@reddit
Tfw i studied them all in high school
God bless Italy
PrrrromotionGiven1@reddit
>hear a strawman explanation of their beliefs
>dismiss it as abject stupidity
easier with some than others admittedly. Epicurus was a total bro and I see no downside to living by his creed, whereas Hobbes basically just says dictators are good because one person imposing all the rules is better than a million people all trying to assert their own control (I know he lived through a brutal civil war but that is still an incredibly stupid take)
Marsium@reddit
fr. epicurus got such an unbelievable amount of shit from like every stoic and then you read epicurus and he’s like “hey, live easy, be good to your bros, eliminate any desires you can, fulfill the ones you can’t, don’t fear death, have a good time, live modestly, you get the gist” and everyone was his homie til dude died of kidney stones
my bro got slandered so bad, “epicurean” is still a byword for a luxurious, opulent pleasure-seeking lifestyle. wtf?
greatest defamation effort in history imo
Slide-Maleficent@reddit
Dictators are good when I'm the dictator and bad when anyone else is, duh.
spiritofporn@reddit
Never trust a man who hallucinates a tiger.
pyro-zed@reddit
To be fair, he does have stuffing where a brain should be
nesthesi@reddit
Has anon tried reading
Maybe using his eyes really really hard
avagrantthought@reddit
Have you tried reading Schopenhauer? You'll think you'll be having a stroke.
AdorableDonkey@reddit
Schopenhauer is so trivial to understand he was criticized for it
Try reading Hegel, what the flying fuck is even a fenomenology or however tf you write it
I'm sure Hegel is just a psyop that no one really understands and intellectuals pretend they do and no one can prove they didn't because no one understood nothing and everyone is too afraid to admit
avagrantthought@reddit
Hegel is like reading gibberish but Schopenhauer really isn't much better. Here is a random part of 'world as will and spirit'
"Whatever the thing-in-itself may be, Kant is right in his conclusion that time, space, and causality (which we afterwards found to be forms of the principle of sufficient reason, the general expression of the forms of the phenomenon) are not its properties, but come to it only after, and so far as, it has become idea. That is, they belong only to its phenomenal existence, not to itself. For since the subject fully understands and constructs them out of itself, independently of all object, they must be dependent upon existence as idea as such, not upon that which becomes idea. They must be the form of the idea as such; but not qualities of that which has assumed this form. They must be already given with the mere antithesis of subject and object [156] (not as concepts but as facts), and consequently they must be only the more exact determination of the form of knowledge in general, whose most universal determination is that antithesis itself. Now, that in the phenomenon, in the object, which is in its turn conditioned by time, space and causality, inasmuch as it can only become idea by means of them, namely multiplicity, through co-existence and succession, change and permanence through the law of causality, matter which can only become idea under the presupposition of causality, and lastly, all that becomes idea only by means of these,—all this, I say, as a whole, does not in reality belong to that which appears, to that which has passed into the form of idea, but belongs merely to this form itself. And conversely, that in the phenomenon which is not conditioned through time, space and causality, and which cannot be referred to them, nor explained in accordance with them, is precisely that in which the thing manifested, the thing-in-itself, directly reveals itself. It follows from this that the most complete capacity for being known, that is to say, the greatest clearness, distinctness, and susceptibility of exhaustive explanation, will necessarily belong to that which pertains to knowledge as such, and thus to the form of knowledge; but not to that which in itself is not idea, not object, but which has become knowledge only through entering these forms; in other words, has become idea, object. Thus only that which depends entirely upon being an object of knowledge, upon existing as idea in general and as such (not upon that which becomes known, and has only become idea), which therefore belongs without distinction to everything that is known, and which, on that account, is found just as well if we start from the subject as if we start from the object,—this alone can afford us without reserve a sufficient, exhaustive knowledge, a knowledge which is clear to the very foundation. But this consists of nothing but those forms of all [157] phenomena of which we are conscious a priori, and which may be generally expressed as the principle of sufficient reason. Now, the forms of this principle which occur in knowledge of perception (with which alone we are here concerned) are time, space, and causality. The whole of pure mathematics and pure natural science a priori is based entirely upon these. Therefore it is only in these sciences that knowledge finds no obscurity, does not rest upon what is incomprehensible (groundless, i.e., will), upon what cannot be further deduced. It is on this account that Kant wanted, as we have said, to apply the name science specially and even exclusively to these branches of knowledge together with logic. But, on the other hand, these branches of knowledge show us nothing more than mere connections, relations of one idea to another, form devoid of all content. All content which they receive, every phenomenon which fills these forms, contains something which is no longer completely knowable in its whole nature, something which can no longer be entirely explained through something else, something then which is groundless, through which consequently the knowledge loses its evidence and ceases to be completely lucid. This that withholds itself from investigation, however, is the thing-in-itself, is that which is essentially not idea, not object of knowledge, but has only become knowable by entering that form. The form is originally foreign to it, and the thing-in-itself can never become entirely one with it, can never be referred to mere form, and, since this form is the principle of sufficient reason, can never be completely explained. If therefore all mathematics affords us an exhaustive knowledge of that which in the phenomena is quantity, position, number, in a word, spatial and temporal relations; if all etiology gives us a complete account of the regular conditions under which phenomena, with all their determinations, appear in time and space, but, with it all, teaches us nothing more than why in each case this particular phenomenon must appear just at [158] this time here, and at this place now; it is clear that with their assistance we can never penetrate to the inner nature of things.
Slide-Maleficent@reddit
All the philosophy I need to know I learned after soccer practice in the locker room.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbrkWGsM_2k
IBisku@reddit
he is literally my philosophy teacher
lyfeNdDeath@reddit
This is why philosophy majors are unemployed
Artsoesi@reddit
I assume this is a joke, but philosophy majors actually do rather well in terms of employment rate and test scores
Marsium@reddit
Most people try reading philosophy and find it utterly incomprehensible, so they dismiss it as meaningless, pompous, arbitrary, and subjective intellectual farce, in the same vein as other “unemployable” degrees lacking academic rigor like cultural studies, sociology, etc.
They’re right about the pompous part, but acquiring even a basic understanding of some philosophy (Hegel for instance) requires a high capability of abstract thought and logic. People who are very good and well-practiced at abstract thought and logic can often be described by the general term of “smart.” And “smart” people, to the surprise of nobody, tend to be more successful than the average person, because the average person is not smart.
In my experience, philosophy students are usually pretty intelligent, in stark contrast to the stereotype. This is mostly because dumb students tend to switch to an easier major where the reading is not so difficult and dense. There’s a reason philosophy is such a heavy component of most prelaw curricula, and it’s not just tradition.
Artsoesi@reddit
You’re correct, and I wish more people understood this. When people hear one of majors is philosophy they assume it is useless and ask why I am doing it. My response is usually “Because I’m useless” with a smile, because I don’t have the patience to explain what you just did.
Little_Weird2039@reddit
Bot1-The_Bot_Meanace@reddit
Mfw I read a complaint about low quality copper
BBWArchitect@reddit
God I wish I could know just how bad the copper was to warrant such a complaint.
NotAPirateLawyer@reddit
Fuck you, Ea-Nasir!
otakarg@reddit
Hegel is a spook bro
Squeeblz88@reddit
WOOOOOOAAAAAH! It's [current year], dude. You can't call people that anymore.... /s
GreenNukE@reddit
Understanding Hume won't help too much with Kant.
Slide-Maleficent@reddit
All the philosophy I need to know I learned after soccer practice in the locker room.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbrkWGsM_2k
BingBongFyourWife@reddit
Why would I read a man’s thoughts when I can think my own?
DolanGrayAyes@reddit
this is how majors in philosophy do it, they don't read directly from the source, they read essays on the thinking of philosophers. and yes, it's a common practice in the academia to do so
Sylvert0ngue@reddit
It pretty much follows correctly till Hume - you don't need to know Locke, just a couple of his bits
Laxhoop2525@reddit
“Socrates didn’t write anything down”, that’s his philosophy, right there.
“Why would I write any of this down? What, you think people want to read what I think? Get your head out of your ass. Now if you’ll excuse me, I need to go continue to refuse to bathe.”
Sway_404@reddit
Iiiiiii-mmanual Kant was a real pissant, who was rarely ever stable
Practical-Essay-8634@reddit
Can't Understand Aristotle.
oni_no_onii-chan@reddit
Because it's a serious discipline. But if you want to read one of them out of curiosity, read the few arguments of why that specific book has written and you can understand the main discussion.
VictorAst228@reddit
BaronLalle@reddit
BeginningTypical3395@reddit
Anon decides to give up on his Mickey Mouse degree