Discovered a significant error during a logbook review
Posted by Itchy-Royal1354@reddit | flying | View on Reddit | 25 comments
I go to a university aviation program. I am maybe a year away from graduating, a few months away from commercial multi complete.
I was reviewing my logbook and putting everything into for flight for an application to a cadet program and I noticed that I didn't go to three airports for my long cross country when I did it three years ago. I thought this was weird and entered wrong so I went to my schools electronic tracker and it was the same there.
I eventually go back to my texts from my then instructor and I see a conversation where I express confusion as to why I am only going to one airport for this XC and his assurance that this is what the curriculum says. I trusted him and just thought that it was a quirk of a 141 university school. I also had a bunch of other instructors and check rides since then and no one at the school has caught it.
What do I do? Talk to the school? Contact the FAA? My friends are telling me to just keep my mouth shut, but I feel like this might be something that pops up eventually.
jackalcane@reddit
I accidentally went 60 in a 55 last night should I turn myself into prison this afternoon?
Diligent_Digiridoo@reddit
You’re good, delete post and shut mouth
ManifestDestinysChld@reddit
I forgot to turn in a vocab quiz 30 years ago in middle school, do I still have a job?
AKPilotz@reddit
You 100% should contact the FAA…. /s
BluProfessor@reddit
A Part 141 syllabus may allow for the long XC to be any solo XC over 100nm with 2 points of landing. There's a good chance your university has this in their syllabus.
AnActualSquirrel@reddit
This has no bearing on your competency as a pilot. It's not like you missed learning some fundamental concept.
Don't call attention to it. You'll screw everyone involved for zero benefit. Add the third stop if you think this will ever be scrutinized.
mirassou3416@reddit
So technically your cert is invalid because you didn't complete the requirements for the cert. I suggest one of the following--
a) the "correct" thing to do is to finish the cross country properly under the direction of a CFI with sign off, then take this to the FSDO and explain that you found an error in your logbook promulgated by the flight school insisting that only one stop was necessary on a cross country trip. You've then proven that you've completed the task and I don't see them pulling the cert for another checkride because there isn't anything to do
b) get with your favorite instructor yesterday and complete the long cross country and have them sign off on it and do nothing else. This could come back to haunt you later
c) enter the two other legs of the cross country that you forgot to enter in your logbook in the first place
Number1atp@reddit
Use the power of the pen.
TemporaryAmbassador1@reddit
Maybe the third airport was the ~~friends we made along the way~~ NASA report we filed when we got back?
Strega007@reddit
"It went down the way I wrote it down".
dilemmaprisoner@reddit
If you're talking about your PPL, your Commercial XC flights would also meet the PPL requirements.
No-Brilliant9659@reddit
It’ll never pop up unless you bring attention to it. Like posting on Reddit and saying you should have never gotten your PPL, and your instructor and examiner failed you, and you’re worried your license is a lie. The FAA will tear down your door and rip it from your cold dead hands after they murder you for not doing your XC correctly. God speed
Buzz407@reddit
Don't forget to hide your dog.
Wedge_Donovan@reddit
Hide your kids, hide your wife!
Slippery_when_RA@reddit
When I did my multi ride a few years ago the DPE wanted to look through all of my previous training. I had to show him all the 141 certificates and tab out my logbook for every milestone completed. He then plugged in all my cross countries into some FAA calculator that measured the exact GPS coordinates of each airport to verify the distances were legal. That was half the exam. Thankfully I had just interviewed for a cadet program so I already had everything tabbed out. So while its very unlikely anyone looks, there is at least one DPE in Florida who will.
Various-Blood-3902@reddit
Man how do people get lucky with this examiner when my examiner threw a fit because I missed an ‘e’ in lesson from 9 years ago
FreeDwooD@reddit
A FAA examiner signed off on it. That's all you need. I suggest deleting this post and never mentioning this anywhere ever again unless specifically asked by someone important(which probably won't happen).
BeenThereDoneThat65@reddit
This is a “bring your own shovel” moment
Don’t do that
You were signed off
This is over. Never speak of it again
Imaginary_Run4354@reddit
And you’re SURE you didn’t go to a third airport?
TSwiftIcedTea@reddit
Sounds to me like he went to a third airport and an official FAA representative signed off that he went to a third airport and he can rest easy knowing nobody will ever check or care, so he never has to bring this up again.
mduell@reddit
Get a flight history for the tail and see if there’s a stop you didn’t log?
phlflyguy@reddit
Well, the PPL requirement for X/C solo time is to have at least one X/C flight that has at least 3 full stops along the route.
So, yes, you need to see if that 141 program had some sort of approved curriculum that deviated that far from the FARs. It would be unusual. And if they're doing that with all their students and it's not within the regs, they need to be called out.
On the other hand, if the FSDO gets involved and find that they signed off students who didn't meet the PPL requirements, they'll be revoking certs and pulling the DPE's examination privileges. Sounds like a real CF.
OrionX3@reddit
Did you read the applicable FARs and/or syllabus from your 141 training course.
tempskawt@reddit
Examiner missed it, your slate is clean when the license is issued. Don’t bring attention to it, but if it’s somehow brought up, you can tell them what you’re typing out here.
rFlyingTower@reddit
This is a copy of the original post body for posterity:
I go to a university aviation program. I am maybe a year away from graduating, a few months away from commercial multi complete.
I was reviewing my logbook and putting everything into for flight for an application to a cadet program and I noticed that I didn't go to three airports for my long cross country when I did it three years ago. I thought this was weird and entered wrong so I went to my schools electronic tracker and it was the same there.
I eventually go back to my texts from my then instructor and I see a conversation where I express confusion as to why I am only going to one airport for this XC and his assurance that this is what the curriculum says. I trusted him and just thought that it was a quirk of a 141 university school. I also had a bunch of other instructors and check rides since then and no one at the school has caught it.
What do I do? Talk to the school? Contact the FAA? My friends are telling me to just keep my mouth shut, but I feel like this might be something that pops up eventually.
Please downvote this comment until it collapses.
Questions about this comment? Please see this wiki post before contacting the mods.
I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. If you have any questions, please contact the mods of this subreddit.