Apple Set to Become Third-Biggest Laptop Maker This Year
Posted by -protonsandneutrons-@reddit | hardware | View on Reddit | 123 comments
Posted by -protonsandneutrons-@reddit | hardware | View on Reddit | 123 comments
Actually-Yo-Momma@reddit
The Neo is a legit amazing product for its price point. I’m honestly shocked they released a “budget” laptop lol
nittanyofthings@reddit
Who knew that what people really wanted was a midrange phone with a keyboard and display.
Kyanche@reddit
Probably for a while. They've been putting benchmarks out for a while of flagship phones getting laptop and sometimes even mid-spec desktop performance ... for a split second until throttling due to thermals and battery life!
But if you have a way way bigger battery and better thermal management, you can get away with a lot more!
The parts where this laptop gets ugly are usb ports and RAM capacity due to the chip being designed for a midrange phone lol.
Plank_With_A_Nail_In@reddit
Its multi monitor support doesn't exist and it can only drive a 4K display at 60 Hz. If it was a 2 in 1 and could drive two 4K displays at 144hz I would buy one, maybe the Neo 2 will have that.
Kyanche@reddit
I wonder how much of that is an artificial limitation and how much of it is due to framebuffer size or whatever. a geforce 2mx twinview could drive 2 monitors 25 years ago (and then there were cards from matrox which could do it 30 years ago!).
m0rogfar@reddit
The resolution on the Neo is just bandwidth, but the number of displays is actually the consequence of a pretty radical design tradeoff from Apple.
GPUs generally follow a philosophy of dumb display controller + GPU handles everything centrally, which means that you can just stick on more display controllers at negligible silicon cost and have enough to blanket all your video output ports, and the only cost is generally higher idle power usage, and especially higher idle power usage if you use many displays.
Apple's design is generally that the display controller for each display should have its own highly power-efficient mini-GPU embedded, so that the main GPU can be power-gated out of existence if you're not running Blender. This gets you huge battery life savings during light usage, and even moreso when using many displays with a controller for each display, but the catch is that the display controller that you need one of per display is now the size of an 8-wide out-of-order CPU core on the die, and very much non-negligible from a cost perspective.
It's a design decision that clearly comes from a perspective of wanting to buy battery life for money, and it makes perfect sense on a phone-originated architecture. It's arguably also the superior tradeoff for a laptop, though you do have to accept that many-displays support is restricted to higher-end chip models. You'd never see something like it in a desktop-originated architecture though, because the tradeoff makes little sense on the desktop.
Plank_With_A_Nail_In@reddit
Apples mid range is better than most manufacturers top end at least in terms of CPU performance it is.
Also the Neo's single core performance is higher than every single CPU that's on sale that isn't made by Apple, even ones sold in $2,000 laptops.
PCBuilderCat@reddit
A class leading display, a class leading keyboard, an all aluminium chassis. People buying a 599 laptop don’t care nearly as much about the chip they care about build quality and what they’re actually touching, seeing, and hearing and there isn’t a windows machine at that price point currently that touches the Neo
horatiobanz@reddit
Apple just does the basics very well. Other laptop manufacturers are throwing nice to have features in their laptops like shit tons of ram or large amounts of storage, but then bundling that with garbage displays and touchpads and speakers, everything a person actually interacts with. Apple nails all of the things you can touch, feel, hear and see.
NeroClaudius199907@reddit
Its the build quality. It will really last a very very long time.
HarithBK@reddit
Overall apples laptop stack is really hard to beat on value if you don't touch current pc gaming (emulation on apple hardware is really fast and good).
Imo I would much rather get a Mac and a steam deck than combine the cost of both for a windows laptop.
chemastico@reddit
Have both of this combo plus GeForce now for those AAA heavy games and don’t even need a gaming rig or windows anymore lol
Stilgar314@reddit
The Neo is made with a pile of slightly defective phone chips. It's unlikely to see something similar in the future, even from a Neo 2.
Plank_With_A_Nail_In@reddit
Defective phone chips who's single core performance is still faster than any other non Apple CPU including those sold in $2000 laptops?
Stilgar314@reddit
Slightly defective in the sense that they're not good enough to use them in any other product and forced Apple to made up a laptop to avoid trashing them. Slightly defective in the sense that even Apple though they should apply a discount for people wanting them. That slightly defective.
x13y7@reddit
Why? It's using the n-1 gen; iPhone 16 Pro (Max) with A18 Pro is EOL since September 2025 => Neo 2 can stick with n-1 next year when iPhone 17 Pro (Max) with A19 Pro goes EOL...
Actually, that's part of why the Neo is such a smart move from Apple
Stilgar314@reddit
A18 in the Neo are defective enough to not being good enough for an Iphone Pro. That's why they have less GPU cores in the Neo that they have in the Iphone and that's why they're selling them with a discount. For your plan to work we have to assume silicon lottery is working the same with A19 than it did with A18, and that is a LONG shot.
m0rogfar@reddit
It's... kinda not?
Previously, Apple used to do binning with the full chip in the Pro phones, and the binned chip in the non-Pro phones. As a reasonable approximation based on sales reports, this was probably around a 120 million perfect chips + 100 million binned chips in the annual sales mix.
Presumably, they stopped with this strategy, and switched to the lower-end phone having its own separate smaller chip, because they were selling too many of the lower-end phones compared to the defect ratio, and therefore had to bin chips that could qualify for perfect chip sales.
Barring Apple taking a 60-70% marketshare of worldwide laptop shipments with the MacBook Neo, they'll still have brought their chip sales much closer to binning realities by offloading through the Neo rather than the cheaper iPhone, which is the operational goal.
x13y7@reddit
A19 Pro is still TSMC N3, so was the A18 Pro... so yeah, defects should be quite similar. If you have different, specific numbers, please do share 😄
"Defective" is a very loose term by the way: It's not just non-working GPU cores but also thermals. The lottery is more complex: Some chips may only reach the desired frequency in an given thermal envelope with one core less.
And to spin even further: It's just one GPU core that holds no relevance. It would not hurt or change the target audience of the Neo the slightest bit if the next generation had two GPU cores less or all of the cores.
The magic is using a n-1 product that had already been paid off in terms of R&D but is still more than capable. And yes, it's definitely paid off: iPhone Pro in general has a high margin. And the iPhone 16 Pro (Max) in specific was sold in way higher numbers (factor 10!!!) in its one year life cycle than the Neo will ever reach.
Stilgar314@reddit
Sure, being both N3 is only thing to be considered for an expected fail rate. But I do agree on "slightly defective" to be a loose term. The chips on Neo should be better defined as "not good enough for Iphones so Apple had to invent a new product because it was that or the trash can for all those chips".
x13y7@reddit
I see it the other way around: Those „defective“ chips were supposed to go in the trash - just like with A17 Pro and earlier Axx Pro before. But now, Apple has found a way to still make money out of them.
Also, I can‘t imaging that they they just use „bad stock“ - 10mio (the expected number for Neo sales) would mean unheared-of bad yields for TSMC N3. So I‘m quite confident that TSMC is still producing new A18 Pro
Seref15@reddit
It's a wise moment for it. Apple have banked years, at this point decades, of being the expensive thing people want but can't afford.
With Windows 11 being very poorly received especially in corporate environments the moment is ripe to make real inroads in marketshare.
Tman1677@reddit
By what metric has Windows 11 been poorly received in corporate environments? I don't know that any Windows has been warmly received in corporate environments since XP and many are slow to upgrade (as usual). But I can't think of a single feature of Windows 11 Enterprise that is worse than Windows 10 Enterprise. All the things people complain about like ads and copilot either don't exist in the Enterprise edition or are managed through Group Policy.
cultoftheilluminati@reddit
Let's just say I've started hearing people on windows laptops internally complain when the software is benchmarking better on the neo than their own work issued laptops.
The Neo is a true inflection point because you can't simply dismiss Macbooks as being "expensive" anymore. That's starting to make the market question the BS that windows laptop OEMs make people put up with.
Plank_With_A_Nail_In@reddit
So you have no first hand experience and just made it.
cultoftheilluminati@reddit
Sure, whatever you want to believe. I'm pretty sure this isn't an "out there" idea for anyone reading this thread. Even ignoring macOS and the Neo, people moving to and advocating for Linux is a big deal ngl. Me lying and making stuff about this is not going to get me anything here lol.
Companies with long term vision have started planning for a very different future with software roadmaps etc. and at the bare minimum, the "windows defaultism" is something that has started being brought up in design discussions and questioned.
Melbuf@reddit
The neo or any mb would be great for us but you would have to ignore that fact that it can't run at least 2 required pieces of software one of which is a rather huge industry standard
Tman1677@reddit
That's true but it has almost nothing to do with Windows 11, its almost entirely due to the hardware performance gap. Virtualized Windows 11 using Parallels on a M5 Macbook out performs every Intel and AMD laptop on the market in most tasks.
cultoftheilluminati@reddit
Pressure from corporate customers for the quality of Windows 11 (leading to increasing IT support burden) is a big reason why they publicly put out the quality focus thing recently.
Frothar@reddit
yea I was shocked that we upgraded to Windows 11 so quick where I work but I guess its mostly just reskinned 10. It also performs much better which is probably a side effect of being clean installs but I haven't heard of any complaints either
shimszy@reddit
Yeah agreed. Corporate Windows is largely boring if a little less reliable than you'd like. It's nothing like Windows 8 which was a pain in the ass even on a current gen Surface Pro.
Melbuf@reddit
I figured most corps just skipped 8 and did 7-10
Seref15@reddit
RDP has been a nightmare since 24H2, they've released multiple out of band updates to try and fix issues, they haven't worked. Its been especially noted in thin client environments and azure hosted virtual desktops. Some change made them absurdly latency sensitive. Also seeing rashes of random DWM.exe crashes on multi-session Win11 hosts.
Some of the problems could be attributed to the "Windows App" rdp client that they forced on everyone, hard to tell.
Tman1677@reddit
I must be living in a different world than you. I do 100% of my development RDPed into a Windows Cloud Devbox and the experience now versus three years ago is so much better it's incredible. When they first rolled out the new RDP application it was a mess, and even our old RDP usage relying on a corporate VPN was a mess mostly because the VPN was awful.
Around six months after the switch to the (awfully named) Windows app my experience has been flawless, like I genuinely haven't had a single issue once in the... two years since? I wonder if there's some server-side configuration inconsistencies involved.
Less-Tax5637@reddit
Education, commercial, shit even the casual chromebook audience.
They vertically integrated so hard that the margins were prolly impossible to ignore. Now everybody is broke as fuck so the timing is perfect.
Plank_With_A_Nail_In@reddit
They aren't advertising the neo in any of those markets though its an idea entirely made up by the internet.
ChocomelP@reddit
Did you know that even if a product is not marketed towards you specifically, you're still allowed to buy it?
Strazdas1@reddit
I dont think there was any point in time ever that apple was a thing "most people want".
horatiobanz@reddit
The thing that sucks is that Windows 11 is fucking amazing once you debloat it. It boggles my mind how PhoneLink isn't a more celebrated feature, shits amazing.
Alive_Internet@reddit
It’s budget in name only. You’re getting way better (single core) performance than expensive Windows laptops like the Blade 16 and Zephyrus G16, so the Neo will feel faster than Windows laptops costing 3x more for day-to-day tasks.
Pale_Ad7012@reddit
they gimp every sub $1000 windows processor with a crappy display. 400nits, 100% srgb should be the standard on every windows laptop. I can take 1080p but not a 60% srgb with 250nits.
Juheebus@reddit
Good displays on windows can be found under a grand easily especially if you look at lunar lake laptops. Now finding one with a decent trackpad and build quality is much more difficult.
mechkbfan@reddit
Reality is people are still buying them, so they'll still keep selling them.
And from friends, they're buying the cheapest ones for their kids because they know they'll break them within a year.
Tman1677@reddit
The reality is brand image matters, people buy the crappy cheapest products for their kids partly because they'll get broken, but also because they inherently view it as crappy no matter how nice the screen is due to the poor reputation of consumer Windows laptops. A massive chunk of those people are buying their kids the Neo because it's a macbook at a reasonable price, and they implicitly associate that with it lasting longer and being better.
mechkbfan@reddit
Agreed. I'm not justifying it, just explaining it. Microsoft will never have the guts to specify a higher standard like you specified.
They've all gone for the short term profit over long term growth and now Apple's eating their lunch. And it'll keep going.
Dell appears to be turning things around on their end that I might start recommending them again. XPS 13 was my default for many years until they made some really silly choices and even abandoned the XPS branding at one point!
But for most part, Asus, Acer and sometimes HP are on my banned list when recommending to friends and family because of shoddy quality.
Th3Loonatic@reddit
I remember hearing that the CEO/Chairman of Acer threw a tantrum when Intel introduced the Ultrabook standard, because that increased the minimum bill of materials required for a laptop.
Tman1677@reddit
I honestly think people are far too eager to blame Microsoft here. If a Windows OEM wanted to build a quality brand image they certainly could. It's just hard to compete with Apple's vertical integration - plus the comparable options from Intel and AMD suck.
mechkbfan@reddit
Microsoft did start that with Surface series, like Surface Pro, Surface Book, etc.
I haven't kept up to date with them but still seems they keep selling them
https://www.microsoft.com/en-au/surface/devices/surface-laptop
I wouldn't go that far as suck. I'm still more than happy with my AMD 7840u, and only thing I'm jealous of friends MacBook is fanless design
If Mac's could run more more games and/or support Linux, that line share would accelerate even more.
reallynotnick@reddit
The sub sRGB screens in 2026 is always a bit shocking to me, I assume it’s a way to save on battery life by having color filters that don’t have to filter out as much of the backlight but then they still ship with the dimmest screen…
Kyanche@reddit
Completely random unrelated thing. I found out yesterday that the $3299 Studio Display XDR is 8-bit color with FRC.
In fact, a lot of the 5k/6k screens are also 8-bit color with FRC!
WHAT THE HECK?!
Various-Inside-4064@reddit
Actually window laptop play a trick. they set higher launch price but always on sale. So if you check current price you are wrong. you can find OLED one even for less than 1000!
For example to help you
Amazon.com: HP OmniBook 5 14 inch Next Gen AI PC, OLED Display, Snapdragon X Plus X1P-42-100, 16 GB RAM, 1 TB SSD, Qualcomm Adreno GPU, Windows 11 Home, Glacier Silver, 14-he0099nr : Electronics
Pale_Ad7012@reddit
dude this is snapdragon it wont run many of the software that windows user needs. you can only buy amd or intel based processors.
Various-Inside-4064@reddit
Above commenter was talking about display so i was answering that! You can find lunar lake one too sub 1000!! Just for your information it run most of common software like people who will buy neo will use. You are not buying neo to do android dev do you? so you will not feel any issue for tasks that neo user will do and i am mentioning it compititor to neo.
puppymaster123@reddit
Yea you are not their target audience. There’s a new trends of tik tok teens just discovering copy on iPhone and paste on neo just works like that. No miracast/chromecast weird setup. These kids will not be going back.
People underestimate the appeal of full vertical integrated ecosystem.
-protonsandneutrons-@reddit (OP)
Estimated changes :
In 2025, Apple sold \~11.7% of all laptops globally, about 1 of 9.
In 2026, Apple may sell \~15.5% of all laptops globally, about 1 of 6.
Absolute YoY gain is +3.8% higher market share.
Relative YoY gain is +32% higher market share.
patrickhenrypdx@reddit
I wonder what fraction of those market share gains will be people who are new to the Apple ecosystem.
horatiobanz@reddit
Only reason I'm not a first time MacBook owner is because I have nearly $500 in Best Buy gift cards and they don't do educational pricing on the Neo.
dabocx@reddit
I feel like using 500 dollars in gift cards is worth giving up 100 dollars educational discount.
horatiobanz@reddit
I don't buy things unless I'm getting the best possible deal.
VenditatioDelendaEst@reddit
The scenario my imagination conjured here is that you are a student whose family is a polycule, and you have like 6 grandmothers who all gave you a Best Buy giftcard for Christmas/birthday.
ThrowawayusGenerica@reddit
Perhaps their surname is Manheim-Mannheim-Guerrero-Robinson-Zilberschlag-Hsung-Fonzerelli-McQuack.
Brilliant_Run8542@reddit
Maybe not new, but there are plenty of people who have an iPhone but never had a Mac etc
patrickhenrypdx@reddit
I was wondering more about what the uptick in sales means in terms of expanding the Apple ecosystem.
Lenovo, HP, Dell, ASUS, and Acer just get a sale. Apple's worst-case scenario is just getting a sale, whereas Apple's best-case scenario is that sale bringing a new person into the ecosystem.
Once they're in, they're less likely to leave Apple. I think about 25% of Apple's revenue is non-device revenue. So Apple gets hardware sale $ plus ecosystem $.
ElementII5@reddit
If I had to guess it is mostly young users getting their first computer. Every year some teenager gets their first laptop.
I am a millennial, the generation before me did not know how to use computers and I have a feeling the gen after mine don't know either (generally speaking). If nothing else macs are easy to use so younger people tend to get apple computers.
Plank_With_A_Nail_In@reddit
I would have liked a 2 in 1 version of the Neo, instead I bought an iPad, the basic iPad is a bargain.
Apple have the good enough and well made part of the market sown up.
Phone: 17e is a bargain and does everything that's needed well.
Tablet: Why does anyone buy anything other than the base 11in iPad?
Desktop: The base Mini is good value.
Laptop: Neo is good value.
Its such a shame that any upgrade (Neo to air, 17e to 17 or pro, mini any upgrade) at all for these devices immediately destroys the value proposition, they go from being good for the money to terrible.
jonydevidson@reddit
Local AI is reaching a point where it's becoming actually useful. Models that you can run on a 64GB MacBook are now at the level of frontier models from April 2025 i.e. Sonnet 3.7, with better vision and sound recognition.
Next time this year, they will be at the level of GPT 5.5. Fully private, running locally.
Only MacBooks can reliably run these models locally with useful speeds, at a price under $4k, with a fully stable setup that takes 5 minutes to do (download LM Studio, download model in the model browser, load the model, load OpenCode, point it to the LM Studio instance), which will undoubtedly get even cheaper next year.
Mac Studio is even cheaper.
I fully expect their sales to be up another 20-30% next year.
Apeologist@reddit
What local model would you recommend for a 64GB macbook pro? I am waiting for the oled macbook pro refresh, would love to switch my AI workflow to fully local.
I have a 16GB m4 air currently, is there any point running any local model with this little RAM? I'm a teacher so I don't code, I mostly use AI for text and PowerPoint generation.
BlueSwordM@reddit
Qwen 3.6 35-A3B or Gemma4 26B-E4B.
jonydevidson@reddit
The M4 Air doesn't have the GPU compute (prompt processing speed) or the memory bandwidth (inference speed). You need the Max.
I have a 64GB M3 Max. The Qwen 3.6 35B A3B runs comfortably at Q8_0 and full context. 27B Q8_0 runs at 110k context. Smaller quant would be able to run the full context with some precision loss.
You can run the Qwen 3.5 9B today. Search for it in the LM Studio model browser, download the Q4 K XL variant and run it, but it will be slow on the Air.
Code or no code, OpenCode is an agent and you can do any tool calling you want including whatever MCP you extend it with. It can work on your files in the workspace you create, or even on the entire computer. Doesn't have to be code, it can edit any human readable files.
You can also use any other agent like pi.dev, little-coder etc. little-coder is optimized for smaller models, but the UX is not as nice as the OpenCode app.
Start following /r/LocalLLaMA
Apeologist@reddit
Thank you, this is incredibly useful for me. I have dabbled with LM studio and ollama before but not any agent stuff yet. I'll sub to the sub you recommended.
Also why you're getting downvoted for providing useful information is beyond me. Thanks anyways.
R-ten-K@reddit
There are a lot of gamers in this sub that hate anything that has to do with AI.
psydroid@reddit
That's easy. More sales for Apple will mean fewer sales for the other companies, eroding the install base for x86.
And that's all that matters to the gaming-focused people who have infested this subreddit and should just go elsewhere.
We're living though the first moment in which ARM chips from Apple and Qualcomm are both cheaper and faster than the x86 chips from AMD and Intel, so choosing systems with the former becomes a non-brainer.
Unless you're a gamer, that is.
R-ten-K@reddit
I don’t think a meaningful share of Apple’s laptop volume comes from the high-end 64GB Max SKUs.
Most of it is likely driven by the value and mid tiers (Air/Neo), which aren’t really aimed at running local LLMs.
Apple’s strength right now is that they’ve built a very well balanced entry level products: strong performance, excellent battery life, and solid build quality at competitive price points versus Windows laptops. And the Apple ecosystem is so well stablished now, that a lot of people with iPhones/iPads aren't afraid of ditching windows.
Far_Car430@reddit
While all others are dropping in sales, Apple is selling faster, really a job well done.
Successful_Bowler728@reddit
Dropping sales but Mac os market share doesnt move.
Tman1677@reddit
Wait these are global number and not just domestic? That's genuinely insane, are they the number one brand domestically?
RogueHeroAkatsuki@reddit
Not really surprising.
In 2021 best Intel chips were competing with M1 Pro/Max... In 2026 best x86 processors are trying to compete with base M5.
Also prices of x86 went up and Apple stabilized. Now we are in situation when both Neo and Air are so cheap compared to competition that you really need to have very specific need to pick something else. Especially Neo is IMO amazing device - corners are cut on things that target customer base of those things dont need. I know its shocking for many but you dont need 16gb+ of RAM to browse web or watch Netflix.
996forever@reddit
This is not true outside of single thread performance. And if you only speak of single thread performance, the difference between base/pro/max is nil.
Tman1677@reddit
It's other things as well like display support, connectivity lanes, etc. For instance, the M1 was objectively the best laptop chip performance wise on the market for 99% of consumers even if you don't include the Pro and Max. However it only supported a single external monitor and that alone made it not the right choice for a huge amount of consumers. With an M5 it's hard to say there's a single reason to get a Windows laptops.
996forever@reddit
Internal storage expansion, multiple physical drives, ram over 96GB (arrow lake-HX can support 256GB), upgradable LPCAMM2 ram without any sacrifice in memory speed with Panther Lake (the LPDDR advantage argument is gone), support for dedicated gpus (even M5 max is no match for 5090 laptop gpu), option for OLED display
Just in general hardware configs not offered by apple. Now is any of that (maybe except OLED) applicable to the general consumer? No. But since you had to use the “hard to say there’s a SINGLE reason” hyperbole, there it is.
Plank_With_A_Nail_In@reddit
Only the base spec Apple products make sense, once you start upgrading the value proposition becomes absurd.
Tman1677@reddit
For enterprise upgrading the RAM and SSD doesn't matter, they just shell out when buying - it's not like the comparable Windows laptops are any cheaper. My Lunar Lake laptop with 32GB of RAM and a 1TB SSD cost my company like $2400 with the warranty and stuff.
996forever@reddit
For enterprise the management features offered by Intel vPro or AMD Pro technologies probably matter more than some difference in Soc performance. Although 2400 for a lunar lake laptop is outrageous unless that’s the norm in your country. They can be found for just over half a thousand (16GB SKUs) now.
Tman1677@reddit
It's just the corporate tax, they always pay over face value for the higher quality build and enterprise features. Plus this was a year or two ago
RogueHeroAkatsuki@reddit
x9 388h barely outpaces M5 in multicore and is trashed in single-core. That single-core performance means that Apple computer will feel snappier many years forward. Also in workflows which are not perfectly scalable M5 will be still better. For example in Photoshop Puget benchmark x9 has almost 40% higher score.
Sure, there are things in which Panther Lake is better, but point is - we are comparing high-end Intel model(x9!) against base model of Apple.
Sure, there are things in which Apple sucks - as M5 max struggle to compete with midrange nvidia mobile GPUs but for your average user its now not even close.
996forever@reddit
X86’s best performance wise is not Panther lake but arrow lake-HX and fire range X3D (in dGPU gaming). They do not have good battery life but performance wise they are very up there and Intel-HX has better memory support (up to 256GB) and PCIe connectivity.
RogueHeroAkatsuki@reddit
I thought we are talking about proper laptop chips, not rebranded desktop models where there are a lot less problems with power. Technically you are correct, but in practice both Neo and Air are amazing picks in terms of performance/price ratio unless you are heavy gamer. Thats exactly why Apple is rising as now their laptops are not more expensive and you still get perks like phenomenal build quality and high resale value.
Alive_Internet@reddit
For your average laptop user, single core performance is the most important. It’s what makes day-to-day tasks feel faster.
996forever@reddit
NeroClaudius199907@reddit
Price is the most important thing for average laptop user
stonktraders@reddit
Most laptop users don’t care about the maximum scores from benchmarks. The mac performs pretty much the same plugged or unplugged. But all high performance windows laptops are like sitting ducks without a power brick (My Asus studiobook 16 is basically useless when unplugged)
VenditatioDelendaEst@reddit
Alas, webdevs.
Acrobatic_Fee_6974@reddit
The most shocking part of this for me is that HP ships more ewaste than Dell ships computers.
DeuzExMachina_@reddit
Corporate. Engineers and IT get Lenovos, everyone else gets HPs
Famous-Initiative807@reddit
No IT professional who cares about security is buying CCP gear lol
996forever@reddit
Meanwhile the real life sales figures continue to be real life sales.
Acrobatic_Fee_6974@reddit
I've been at as many companies with Dell as HP, I expected them to be pretty close.
Strazdas1@reddit
We have Dells, HPs and Lenovos in our fleet. Dells are by far the least failures.
Acrobatic_Fee_6974@reddit
Dell corporate stuff has always treated me well. Recent HP stuff has been waste by comparison. That's why I thought they would at least be close if not Dell outright leading.
jnf005@reddit
HP's enterprise devision is gigantic, the only one more popular is thinkpad
996forever@reddit
Average r/hardware take
dragenn@reddit
Play smart games... Get fantastic prizes...
ghemanth90@reddit
As good as their laptops are, I'm sure it's because of the ramageddon and how crazy expensive Intel's panther lake laptops are. There are barely any 32GB laptops for under $2000. I ended up getting a 24GB MacBook air for my wife after hunting deals for panther lake laptops.
PCBuilderCat@reddit
I’m honestly putting this almost entirely on the MacBook Neo tbh. That thing has zero competition from windows machines in the 599 (499 for students) price point. We’re talking best build quality, best keyboard, great trackpad, great screen and a chip that is strong enough to do everything someone buying a 599 laptop needs it to do.
The Neo has got to be a major wake up call for the other brands, they can’t get away with selling their shitty plastic sub par machines anymore because people will just choose the MacBook
Consistent-Leave7320@reddit
My 32gb ddr5 5070 laptop was 1200
TunakTun633@reddit
Worth pointing out ASUS will sell you a Snapdragon laptop with 48 GB RAM for $1700 or so.
Bderken@reddit
People keep saying this, but app support for most apps that you’d was 48GB for on ARM windows is way less compared to than even macOS (speaking from an engineering apps perspective).
Hour_Firefighter_707@reddit
Even without the RAMageddon, the MacBook Neo would have made a massive dent
IllEntrepreneur5679@reddit
I really hope that this will further push DELL to omit stupid design ideas like zero lattice keyboard and rather developing premium products which provide improved usability. Thankfully with the new XPS series function row keys returned and replaceable USB-C ports are there, but that is not enough. LPCAMM2 in more models and a functional keyboard on flagship laptops like XPS and precision 7 seater should come as well
IBM296@reddit
Not surprising. Intel's flagship Panther Lake loses to base M5 in tests. Apple's M5 Pro and M5 Max chips are in a league of their own for consumer hardware.
NeroClaudius199907@reddit
Dont think pro & max sell in that high quantity compared to Neo & air.
DeuzExMachina_@reddit
None of this has to do with M5 or panther lake. This is all about the Neo
NeroClaudius199907@reddit
Lol how are oems selling 16gb 512ssd at $400-600 and still cant cut down and improve build quality. At least improve the hinges
gumol@reddit
-protonsandneutrons-@reddit (OP)
It is a little ironic, as Dell targeted MacBooks as key competitors, per leaked Dell documents.
zdy132@reddit
So that's why they took the stupid idea of that XPS redesign, and the "Pro Max" renaming.
The out of touch-ness is bewildering.
Creepy_Accountant946@reddit
You don't know what ironic means
Kooky-Assistance-882@reddit
It’s like rain on your wedding day or a free ride when you’ve already paid?
-protonsandneutrons-@reddit (OP)
No, I think ironic is precisely correct.
Dell targeted Apple MacBooks in 2024, expecting to keep MacBook market share low. In reality, Apple MacBooks may well overtake Dell in 2026. For Dell, that is the unexpected = ironic result.
Far_Car430@reddit
You meant “iconic” instead?
-protonsandneutrons-@reddit (OP)
Nope.
Dell targeted Apple MacBooks in 2024, expecting to keep MacBook market share low. In reality, Apple MacBooks may well overtake Dell in 2026. For Dell, that is the unexpected = ironic result.
greenndreams@reddit
Wouldnt that make it a very precise assessment?
-protonsandneutrons-@reddit (OP)
No. Dell expected to take MacBook share. In reality, MacBooks took Dell's share.
Dell targeted Apple MacBooks in 2024, expecting to keep MacBook market share low. In reality, Apple MacBooks may well overtake Dell in 2026. For Dell, that is the unexpected = ironic result.