Balkan Michelin-starred restaurants are mostly Greco-Turkish. How come?
Posted by yakoumis@reddit | AskBalkans | View on Reddit | 77 comments
source: https://neer.my/en/N6bksr
rydolf_shabe@reddit
Never got the hype of Greek cousine, sorry
TensorSensor@reddit
My 2 cents: first off, the Michelin Guide is basically built with the Western traveler in mind. So yeah, a restaurant usually needs a certain level of hype or “buzz” just to get on their radar. If you look at tourism stats across these countries, it kind of makes sense why some places get way more attention than others.
Second, there’s definitely some bias in how inspectors operate. A city like San Francisco might get visited every month, while parts of Italy might only see an inspector once every 4–5 years. On top of that, they’re clearly chasing a very specific fine dining experience, often the kind where meals easily go over 200€. It’s less about tradition and more about luxury, technique, premium ingredients, and presentation.
Consistency also matters a LOT. If a restaurant keeps changing its kitchen team every few months, you can pretty much forget about a star. Michelin is big on stability and repeatable quality.
Third, Michelin-starred places don’t always reflect traditional or local cuisine. Sometimes it feels like the more “authentic” or regional food gets overlooked in favor of upscale interpretations.
And finally, people forget that local tourism boards have sometimes played a role in bringing the Michelin Guide into certain regions in the first place, which probably doesn’t help with keeping things completely unbiased imo.
AcolythusLatinus@reddit
The answer is simple! Hellenic Republic and Republic of Turkey are the biggest tourists hotspots in the Balkans, globally they are well known among the wealthier elites and many people flock from the Americas and Western Europe to spend their vacations in these states. With higher tourist turnover there is a higher demand for first class dining experience, and with that it attracts some of the best people in the hospitality profession. The biggest loser in the Balkans in currently Republic of Croatia which has become too expensive for many a pocket, with Republic of Albania and Republic of Bulgaria set to become the next big things in tourism in this part of the world.
Significant-Ad-7182@reddit
You say wealthier elites but I have met plenty of middle class and working class people from EU that visited Turkey in the past. (France specifically)
AcolythusLatinus@reddit
Of course they visit and a substantial amount of money is made from them. Both the elites have deeper pockets and can afford prices in Michelin star restaurants more easily and also come a lot more, while the average joe looks for all-inclusive deals.
Dependent_Guard903@reddit
That's a very dense "Mostly" my friend
ThickCaterpillar9867@reddit
Based on the map ,there are more in Croatia and Serbia has almost the same nr as Greece so Idk why you attached Greece to Turkey
Suspicious-Bug1994@reddit
In Serbia, only 2 I believe are starred. Rest are recommended/bib gourmand. Source, i spend may too much on eating out
ThickCaterpillar9867@reddit
Almost the same as everywhere else ,the numbers in this map are 90% reccomended/bibgourmand .
Suspicious-Bug1994@reddit
Yeah, you're probably right. I only know the case for Serbia. As I visit the more affordable michelin restaurants every now and then.
SoftwareSource@reddit
Yea same for croatia, maybe 2-3
Unusual_Cat_9495@reddit
10
Technical_Plenty6231@reddit
look again it's not Croatia it's Slovenia
ThickCaterpillar9867@reddit
You look again genius
Technical_Plenty6231@reddit
lmfao
ThickCaterpillar9867@reddit
What about the nr 38 in Croatia????
Technical_Plenty6231@reddit
so what? Slovenia has more than the Croatia does
Spirited_Pitch3852@reddit
Not if you zoom in
ThickCaterpillar9867@reddit
🤣🤣who said they do not??admit you were wrong dude
Technical_Plenty6231@reddit
I don't understand why you're talking about the less when there's more, and I'm trying to explain it 🤡
a_bright_knight@reddit
you are an actual moron
ThickCaterpillar9867@reddit
Read my statement you clown and admit you were wrong!!
Suspicious-Bug1994@reddit
The big 123 blob contains tons of restaurants from also Italy, Croatia and Austria btw. Zoom in.
yakoumis@reddit (OP)
True. But click on 2 stars.
ThickCaterpillar9867@reddit
Greece 1 and Croatian also 1 with 2 stars
dr_prdx@reddit
It’s Ottoman.
Self-Bitter@reddit
Not a fan of this type of dinning.
But the map is inconsistent with the title. It does not show the actually starred restaurants which are much much fewer.
18w4531g00@reddit
First Michelin in Bulgaria is this year (as an assessment). But as you know, its not just food they study but also quality of service. This is where a massive gap exists between Greece & Bulgaria. Turkey I cannot comment as I don't go there anyways.
Jazzlike-Moose3123@reddit
We have the best stuff.
capricornfinest@reddit
A government, muncipality or tourist organization must pay Michelin first. There is no random choosing for this, it is paid service.
Outside_Resist_8319@reddit
Every time after I eat in a Michelin starred restaurant I go to street food vendor and on the way I feel hungry and robbed.
LoolHero@reddit
Michelin need to make better tires to drive on romanian roads
Slow-Loan-9041@reddit
Whatchu mean how come.
Stealthfighter21@reddit
This map does not show only starred restaurants but also bib gourmand, which is some type of lower category. If you look at the starred restaurants, there are way fewer.
Yavannia@reddit
Michelin restaurants don't even serve local food it's basically all french artisty food that they charge 100 euros per dish that you don't even get full from. Much better to go to restaurants with local food.
ThickCaterpillar9867@reddit
That is not true ,even a fast food can get a michelin star.
Time_Trail@reddit
technically yes but let's compare likelihoods now
ExtremeProfession@reddit
Not in the Balkans, maybe Dubrovnik as it's a tourist hub.
Yavannia@reddit
And how many of them are they fast food restaurants? I once went in a michelin restaurant in Athens and had researched almost all of them to pick one and they all had that kind of food and in no way offered local food.
ThickCaterpillar9867@reddit
Do not base your single experience on the rest,there are many that offer local food
Yavannia@reddit
Here are the michelin restaurants in Athens on their own webpage https://guide.michelin.com/gr/en/attica/athens/restaurants/1-star-michelin/2-stars-michelin Tell me which one of these looks like local food to you?
FlamesOfDespair@reddit
After a point you only eat there to brag.
GalacticUser25@reddit
Pretty sure they’re talking specifically about the restaurants that have been awarded stars in Greece, not every single Michelin star restaurant
ThickCaterpillar9867@reddit
They just conflating fancy restaurant with michelin star rated restaurant.
GalacticUser25@reddit
They may be, but to be honest I think it’s a fair thing to say when it comes to Greece. I don’t think we have a single non fancy Michelin star restaurant
ThickCaterpillar9867@reddit
Majority of them restaurants are fancy but you csnnot say “michelin restaurants dont even serve local food” some of them are famous for that.
Suspicious-Bug1994@reddit
Serbia got some nice ones serving serbian food. Albeit bib gourmand and not starred. I've been at New Balkan Cuisine and Bela Reka. Both are great.
Stealthfighter21@reddit
There's one in Bulgaria in the village of Devino, Targovishte region.
Early_Ad6717@reddit
I ain't going in trash place with fake stars, geting served 20g of food and having to pay 100s of euro. And besides, there are no better food than on the balkans. Sarmi, musaka, banitsa, tutmanik, combined with good skara. Oh kotiooooo
Antique_Birthday6380@reddit
The more open a country is to tourism and the outside world, the more advantages it has to become an attraction for these things. Albania has only been doing this intensively in the last 5–10 years, so Michelin restaurants as well as Blue Flag beaches will become more common in the coming years.
Happy-Hour88@reddit
Tbh I had tastier food in Milan than in Athens or Thessaloniki.
toshu@reddit
Because the Michelin Guide doesn't yet cover all of the Balkans. For Sofia the preliminary audit is currently ongoing I believe.
shadowdance55@reddit
This. I remember when I checked the guide in 2014, and a random village in England had more stars than all of Eastern Europe.
snitsny@reddit
Because they appreciate real good food in the Balkans - not that pathetic pretentious stuff Michelin presents as ‘fine dining’.
Seriously, if they ever invite you to a corporate dinner at a Michelin place, get a hamburger or pizza beforehand if you don’t wanna go hungry.
chrstianelson@reddit
I don't think you know what sort of restaurants are awarded the stars.
The answer is all of them. Even a small fast food joint that serves pizza or burgers can get a star or two.
The fine dining restaurants are simply the most famous ones, but not the only ones.
snitsny@reddit
If even fine dining restaurants can leave their guests dissatisfied and frustrated, then no reasons to expect anything from small fast-food joints either.
iongion@reddit
Nah man, both can be appreciated and local kitchens are changing, evolving, modernizing.
I am from Bucharest, left he country 15 years ago, I cannot believe how many "fancy" / traditional inspired experimental cuisines have sprouted everywhere, 6-7 tables, that's all
Young generation will solve them both
snitsny@reddit
There’s a difference between evolving and modernizing while still remaining proper food, and nonsense like pastries filled with soup (without warning, so people end up spilling hot liquid on themselves), fried salad leaves (yuck), and other similarly pointless ‘experiments.’
Nobody will convince me that any of that is worth one’s time and money.
iongion@reddit
I agree man, not that shit, but a well painted sarma/dolma, high quality products, ... good God!
snitsny@reddit
I’m sure those culinary absurdities I experienced were also made of high quality products. Didn’t save them from becoming an anecdote.
Haven’t had a single pleasant Michelin food yet. It’s always somewhat schizophrenic.
bruhmanbruuh@reddit
Isn't this like the 7th Greece - Turkey post for today?
This is fucking schizo .
missmccreate@reddit
it be tasty i think
Substratas@reddit
Turkey and Greece have a bigger population and / or longer history of tourism, so that’s expected. They also did not experience the terrors of the regimes experienced by many of the other Balkan countries, which traumatized them at a cellullar level. Ain’t nobody so traumatized got time or imagination for ”Michelin star restaurants” when people are still in survival mode.
Young_Owl99@reddit
BIH literally has more than Greece on the map.
Also Serbia has its fair share of them.
What do you mean ?
hopper_froggo@reddit
I ate at one in Zagreb and it served Croatian / Italian inspired food 🤷♂️
Right_Ad_3782@reddit
I went to 3 of these michelin stars restaurants ( Hungary, Spain and Italy , they are complete bullshit with huge prices, ate better in my city ( with no michelin restaurants.
NaKaMamessifan@reddit
Michelin-star restaurant- food that tastes good but priced as if you get to keep a gold coin. 4.6 google-star restaurant - almost same quality of food, maybe even better, most people can afford weekly
Glittering_Lab2992@reddit
Kosovo is Serbia.
DriveByAtanCivciv@reddit
No it's America.
Glittering_Lab2992@reddit
True.
BagComprehensive79@reddit
I will answer based on my opinion and what i saw from my travels. I feel like Michelin starred restaurants are cooking foods more like “formulated”, it doesnt change much and the recipes are mostly likely standardized. But at the other hand in Balkans, our recipes are not standardized, it is changing in every city and even every cook makes them different.
This is what I feel from mu experience. So list ends up with more biased to Western Europe kind of restaurants.
vasjpan002@reddit
Cold war advance
Big-Waltz5204@reddit
There are some on Croatia coast and Slovenia. But nobody cares about Michelin star in the balkans. Never heard anyone bring it up. And why would some outsiders judge local food better then locals. It's mostly a tourist thing, I guess.
yakoumis@reddit (OP)
I think it's the greatest accolade for a restaurant (and by extension, its chef).
source: I've watched every episode of The Bear and a couple of seasons of Master Chef 😅
merdeauxfraises@reddit
The math isn’t mathing. The statement in the question is wrong.
taxirata@reddit
Who cares about michelin stars? Its an entirely subjective list created by a company that sells tires.
essenceofadolescence@reddit
As Junior Soprano says, we taught the world how to eat!