AirTags vs. Hard Locks: What's your anti-theft strategy?
Posted by Oneyardca@reddit | ebikes | View on Reddit | 84 comments
I just dropped $6k on a new ride and the paranoia is real. I've got two heavy-duty U-locks on it, but I'm wondering if technology is the way to go. I know jammers exist for GPS, but are AirTags actually reliable enough?
If you've had a bike stolen (or almost stolen), what security measure actually worked? Is a hidden GPS worth the monthly fee compared to a good old-fashioned chain?
ATVY@reddit
If you’re in the uk or Ireland I suggest you get yourself a machete or a baton. I got stabbed in the neck once when I rode without any weapons on me. However for anti theft while it’s Parked get one of those nfc locks. Key ignitions just get hotwired way too easily. Also AirTags are shit. Apple is so gay they notify the theif “hey i see you’re stealing the bike. Instead of notifying the guy who bought the AirTag we’re gonna show u exactly where he hid the AirTag so u can take it out” even lets them play a sound on it to find it. And any of those gps trackers be careful. Some might say like the tracker is 100usd but then when u receive and connect it, it will ask for you to pay a monthly subscription as the tracker has to have mobile data to send live tracking. And even if u get the subscription a smart theif can just use a jammer and the whole tracker stops working. Or even easier they can bring it into a faraday tent find the tracker and take it out then bring it home. Having a 100% secured bike is almost impossible. Best way is to get a lethal weapon.
skippytheowl@reddit
I don’t leave my bike anywhere I can’t see it. Period. Mine is 5K and thieves know every trick in the book, and live for separating you and your bike.
skippytheowl@reddit
Also as an ex wrench with a lot of experience, I’d just strip the bike down in minutes if it had a super lock on it, people/bystanders don’t like confrontation, so I’d be on my merry way with my grocery cart and parts worst case scenario.
keppapdx@reddit
My ebike friends carry their battery in.
529bikes@reddit
The honest answer is both, but for different reasons. Locks stop opportunists. Trackers help recover from professionals. They solve different problems.
For a $6k e-bike, two locks of different types is the standard move. A Litelok X1 or Hiplok D1000 as primary, both have ceramic composite that actually slows angle grinders, which matters at this price point. A heavy chain (Kryptonite Fahgettaboudit or Hiplok Gold) as secondary on the other wheel. Different lock types force a thief to carry different tools.
On AirTags specifically: they work well in dense areas because any iPhone in range pings the location, but they do trigger an "AirTag found moving with you" alert on the thief's phone. The two-tracker setup (one semi-visible as a decoy, one truly hidden inside the seat tube or handlebar end) is the high-paranoia version. Cellular GPS like Invoxia does not depend on nearby phones but runs $5 to $15/month.
Technique matters as much as the lock. Smallest U-lock that fits around frame and rear wheel so there is no space for a pry bar. Keyhole down. Lock body off the ground. Lock to something that cannot be unbolted or lifted over.
Zestyclose-Bag8790@reddit
Just a couple of ideas.
AirTags self report when moving, but not with the phone they are connected to. They show on the phone they have connected to and they then be made to make noise to help locate the tag. This is to prevent psycho stalker from using them to cause harm. The speaker on the 1st gen tags is easily removed and there are simple you tube videos that show you to do it in just about 2 minutes.
Dont get to clever with your AirTag placement because they don’t work well if encased in metal.
I have a vibration sensor on my bike. It is stupid loud. Truly ear piercing. You turn it on and off with a small key fob. Under $30 on Amazon.
I also have a simple AXA defender ring lock. Not expensive, but a simple added hassle.
this last idea is not for most people, but I own a Malinois (scary dog). When I am home I have the bike on my patio and my dog can open my doors. (Lever handles). They might get to the bike, but they won’t get away. Homes in my neighborhood were getting burgled and the thieves used some kind of WiFi jammer to defeat home alarms. My doors are not locked, but my house was untouched. I suspect that their surveillance showed my dog. Not worth fighting the dog. The dog would just have fun.
Obviously you will get a good lock. Some of the less common protections may help, since your average bike thief can’t be stopped, but they can decide to steal a different bike that is easier to steal.
hezuschristos@reddit
As a long time mountain biker, who has owned expensive bikes for a long time, the only real answer is that you can’t leave your bike outside unattended.
A thief can cut any lock, and AirTags etc, are all pretty easy to find. Plus all the thief has to do is ensure they don’t have a phone with them and take it away from people quickly. No phones around, no AirTag tracking.
All you can do is make it as unattractive as possible to steal. Multiple locks, take the seat and the front wheel off even. Tie a guard dog to it. lol. But really the best you can do is make it less appealing to steal than the one beside it, or never leave it unattended.
godzillabobber@reddit
Not quite as true for an ebike as you can carry several kilos of locks that are impractical on a nice road bike.
hezuschristos@reddit
So…. As I said you can make it hard to steal with a bunch of locks. But there’s no guarantee. If they want it they’ll get it
Kinetic_Symphony@reddit
Not really. There are locks now that are 100% resistant to bolt-cutters and highly resistant to angle grinders. Only in the sketchiest places in the US will a bike thief spend 20 minutes and multiple grinder heads to cut a lock.
For 99.9% of places, the bike itself is secure. They might still try to steal the seat or accessories though.
Bloosqr1@reddit
Are there really locks that require 20 minutes of multiple grinder heads? For some reason I thought the best of these (like $500 buck locks) are all still like 1-2 minutes max.
hezuschristos@reddit
So… difficult, but not impossible. Got it.
godzillabobber@reddit
No, the combination of the right locks and an appropriate location to lock it up can make the odds of theft near zero. Being overly paranoid is its own special kind of thievery as it can keep you off the bike far too often. I have yet to see a bike get stolen that did not involve poor choice of locks or a poor choice of location.
hezuschristos@reddit
Love that you start off by arguing, then agree with my point. As I say, you can make it hard, you can’t make it zero. You’re saying the same thing just with more words.
godzillabobber@reddit
Its the "if they want it they will get it premise that is false. One of those dumb things we all seem to talk ourselves into at the detriment of riding.
Mr_Midwestern@reddit
Lock, AirTag, and motion/tilt detection alarm.
Honestly the alarm is probably the most effective. You can overcome/cut a lock inconspicuously enough and the tag is just for peace of mind. But the second anyone even moves the handle bars, They’re met with a loud warning “chirp”, and the full alarm simply can’t be ignored.
AltruisticCry2293@reddit
What alarm do you use?
Mr_Midwestern@reddit
Just one with good reviews on amazon:
Wsdcam 113dB Bike Alarm Wireless Vibration Motion Sensor Waterproof Motorcycle Alarm with Remote
Bloosqr1@reddit
I live in SF and we have two reasonably expensive cargo e-bikes and honestly we basically have taken your "all of the above" approach.
(1) We (because of paranoia) only bought bikes with the GPS built into the bike (tern and R&M do this and I am sure others). Bosch GPS is like $35 a year so pretty cheap.
(2) We have the ABUS super extreme 2500 granite locks .. (I think the high end hiplok locks are equivalent to be honest).
(3) We bought bike theft insurance for both bikes (this is expensive (I think 400 to 500 per bike but cheaper than a new bike) ).
We do not overnight park outside and we are pretty paranoid about tourist areas where bike theft is rampant. Our hope is cargo bikes aren't really sexy enough to steal but I do not really think that is true.
AltruisticCry2293@reddit
Hi - moving to East Bay soon and will be bringing my Blix Packa Genie with me. What do you recommend as far as securing the batteries themselves? The Blix batteries both have key locks that lock them in place on the frame, but I'm sure they aren't too hard to defeat. Do you remove your batteries and take them with you when you lock up the bike? (My typical use case will be shopping and grocery runs, not everyday commuting).
Bloosqr1@reddit
I dont know anyone who bothers removing the batteries to be honest for the grocery stores or shops, it's too awkward and heavy. We just have the key lock. That said I probably would do this if we left our bikes outside overnight.
AltruisticCry2293@reddit
Got it. Yeah I was considering adding some metal hose clamps to cinch them to the frame but those are even easier to defeat than the locks
Slipstriker9@reddit
Get bike insurance and use one of the locks from their approved list. Air tags are just a toy. If you use them, pit one easy to find and hide a real tracker somewhere hard to find.
snoogins355@reddit
J_Bunt@reddit
Niiice!
nsfw-kapustin-yar@reddit
Both air tags (multiple with speakers disabled and many decoys) and strong u locks
Decent-Office-5431@reddit
Mine has a Tile, a "proper" tracker and an immobiliser fitted (the immobiliser auto-arms when I step away from my e-bike - I have to carry a little transponder that it uses). Plus I have 2 beefy chain locks, a frame lock, a lock on my drivetrain chain, an ignition lock on my motor.
One thing I also find effective is making it look physically unattractive. Paint on some "rust", put tiewraps and gorilla tape on it in strategic places, do anything to make it look unappealing and probably worth more as scrap. If you lock it up with other bikes, they're also more likely to go for those other bikes instead. It's sad to say but it's how a thief would think - why go for the bike that's obviously not going to sell for anything, when they can steal a bike that's absolutely going to net them a decent pot of cash?
Mylaptopisburningme@reddit
Got a link to the immobilizer you are talking about? Don't have an ebike yet but theft is a concern.
neomoritate@reddit
The "Immobilizer" is software that comes pre-installed as part of the E-Bike's operating system. It doesn't actually Immobilize the bike, just keeps the power turned off.
Mylaptopisburningme@reddit
Ahh bummer. I've been looking at the Lectrix xp4 and doesn't seem like there are any anti-theft features.
ShutYourDumbUglyFace@reddit
And where would you stash it where a thief would not think to look. Maybe all of the above?
stormdelta@reddit
Smaller thick U-Lock
I never leave it outside overnight or in areas that don't have a lot of foot traffic / visibility - if I had to, I'd probably get more locks or insurance
Mine's DIY, and I intentionally made it sloppier-looking than it actually is to make it look less valuable
I also made it a bit ugly and unique looking, meaning thieves know it's easily identifiable. Bright aluminum fenders, neon green reflectors and brake/shifter lines, dark maroon frame, etc.
Direct hub motor is slightly less visible behind panniers, and battery is slightly less obvious being inside a triangle bag (it's a rack-mounted shark-style, but the rack is bolted to the frame through the bag)
I do have an AirTag-equivalent tracker on it, but I've never had to actually use it so not sure how effective it would be. It's not obvious what it is and it's somewhat hidden.
ancientstephanie@reddit
There's no hiding an AirTag from a thief competent enough to use Google. 30 seconds of googling and one app download, and you can find an AirTag to within a couple inches even without the speaker.
Once it's found, it's easily separated from the bike, and if it can be separated from the bike, there's no guarantee the tag hasn't been thrown into someone's backyard, thrown on top of someone's roof, dropped into a dumpster, taped onto someone's bumper, or slipped into an unsuspecting stranger's bag.
Further, the tag has no GPS of its own, so what's being reported are the locations of the phones that pinged it, not the location of the tag itself.
Yes, some people get lucky and airtags can help find particularly dumb thieves. But most of those dumb thieves are stopped by any lock that can stop bolt cutters, and almost all of those dumb thieves are stopped by angle grinder resistant locks, which you should absolutely be using for a $6k bike.
To be a effective GPS tracker, it needs to have its own GPS and its own cellular or satellite connectivity, so that it's not depending on other people's phones to ping it, and can't be easily found with a free app on someones phone. That means for all practical intents and purposes, it has to have a monthly or annual fee, since without it, it can't communicate effectively and in real time. Ideally, that tracker would be deeply integrated with the bike's electronics, so that the controller gets bricked if the tracker is removed while the bike is locked or in lost mode.
And as an aisde, GPS and cellular jammers do exist, but for the most part, they are too risky for bike thieves to use, especially on the go and for the time periods needed to steal bikes. GPS and cellular jammers are highly trackable, interfere with licensed frequencies of mobile carriers who are in turn highly motivated to track them, and tend to result in rather serious felony charges when done in conjunction with other crimes.
Security starts with locking up in a location that's well trafficked and highly visible. Don't try to hide your bikes, especially your expensive bikes, because you'll just be hiding the thief that's come to steal it. You want to be where there's people and cameras. Not because anyone will actually lift a finger to stop a thief, but because eyes always make criminals nervous.
Then you need a good, angle grinder resistant lock. That means Sold Secure Diamond, or ideally Powered Cycle Diamond ratings (sold secure is an independent rating scheme from the UK).
Any tracking you can add is better than nothing, but real 4G/GPS tracking is far better than bluetooth tags, and something fully integrated is better still.
And finally, if the best single lock you can buy doesn't come close to enough protection for the price of the bike, you need to insure it with a policy that actually covers theft, in case all else fails.
guyinthechair1210@reddit
it took me a while before i decided to lock up my bike outside. i use a kryptonite chain, u lock, alarm, and a black weatherproof cover. thankfully, nothing's happened (yet).
Dubbinchris@reddit
Air tags don’t use gps.
Mobile_Ad8543@reddit
I've read online of ppl having their bikes stolen in a garage, or a separate area set aside by thru apartment complex for bikes.
Spend at least 10% of the worth of the bike, on locks.
If you have permission to setup one of these, it'll make your bike a bit safer:
https://www.abususa.com/products/wba100-granit-b-sb?_pos=1&_sid=49140769a&_ss=r
Don't leave your bike in your garage, unsecured. Anytime you open the garage to get in or out of it, exposes what's in it. Too many ppl leave their garage doors open, with TVs, and overnight, too.
Fair-Discipline-1005@reddit
Nobody can't stop thieves to steal a bike,no reall protection,only what can slow down thieves is mulitple protections,U lock, what You already have,2 pieces,chain lock,cable lock,airtag,disc lock with alarm,maybe even GPS... But, i'm talking about a time,no guarantee to they steal it... For all this, you must have good bag...👍
ChemicalConclusion71@reddit
Make sure you disable/remove speaker from AirTag it’s harder to find for them when they trying to remove it
UsernameTaken1701@reddit
Why either/or? My kid rides with a heavy chain, a grinder-resistant U-lock, and hidden AirTags. Besides, AirTags aren't an anti-theft strategy, their an I-hope-I-get-it-back strategy.
Sphere_3N@reddit
Your child is well equipped to head to Iran next.
pinkdolphin6781@reddit
The important distinction you made is the key one: tracking doesn’t stop theft, it only improves the odds of getting it back afterward.
Superb_Raccoon@reddit
I use two locks: Smith and Wesson.
Nobody touches someone else's stuff here in rural America, it generally ain't worth your life.
wincelet@reddit
I was able to recover one of my custom built e bikes by hiding a Tile in the battery pack. Don't need the monthly subscription. I was still able to track it to a house.
No_Perspective_242@reddit
Would love the story
wincelet@reddit
Stolen downtown at night, tracked it across the city and across the bay bridge into oakland. Missed it at oakland flea market by an hour and then tracked it all the way to Santa Rosa where I was able to leave a note outside the house of the guy who picked it up. I offered him 100$ for it back and he agreed.
EsperandoVida@reddit
Was it left overnight? I live in a shitty part of LA and always bring it inside, but get concerned when going to bars and leaving it locked on the street for a couple hours.
wincelet@reddit
No, it was left just for 45mins while eating out late at night. Right outside the j town mall, I was surprised.
Mexcol@reddit
What if he hadn't agreed? Did you have a plan b?
wincelet@reddit
Well we brought the police and talked to his neighbors so I think he was kinda pressured. But yeah not much you can do after that.
MidnightHeavy3214@reddit
Free advertisement here I guess. Kryptonite has a warranty with their locks. Something to help you should the worst happen.
That being said, the actual best method to stop thief’s is to make it a complete hassle to steal. Multiple locks are a good start. Removing the battery or other plug n play style gadgets helps deter.
We had a customer come in saying they stole her seat. But put theirs onto hers and actually took the time to tighten it down.
Lucidlie@reddit
Yeah no amount of locks are going to keep you safe. Consider bringing the battery inside and maybe take it the front tire. 6k is crazy for a bike.
I have to keep my bike outside at work, I'm quite paranoid so I only bike on bad weather days. On nicer days I'll bring an euc or eskate and store it in my office.
granolabeef@reddit
No, $600 is crazy for an e-bike. $6k is a nicely built commuter with a bunch of amenities. There’s half a dozen bikes worth that or more in my garage and none of them have motors.
Dannyz@reddit
wtf. You have >$36k of bikes in your garage? Why???
I hope you occasionally donate to charity.
granolabeef@reddit
Sure, does no one else here race?
Dannyz@reddit
No, I ride the $900 ebike I got for $300 used and have since put 2000 miles on it with a smile on my face and without issues. My wife rides $550 Chinese folding bike and has similar miles. I also have an old Schwinn road bike I swooped for $200.
The bikes you listed in a different comment arnt race bikes or e-bikes. Who tf races vintage or tandem bikes?
granolabeef@reddit
We do gravel races on a vintage tandem. People are always stoked to see a tandem team
Dannyz@reddit
You dropped $6k on a vintage tandem to gravel race?
Stop digging your hole deeper.
granolabeef@reddit
No, we spent $300 on that one.
I don’t think anyone here actually likes bicycles.
hezuschristos@reddit
They don’t. “E-bikes” in this group are class 2 and above. They like motorized vehicles, they just happen to be vaguely bike shaped, you can’t/don’t pedal them apparently.
EsperandoVida@reddit
We gotta splinter off lol. I saw a literal motorcycle here posted last week.
EsperandoVida@reddit
This is not the flex you think it is
granolabeef@reddit
Hate all you like but both my wife and I have all the different styles of bikes. Commuters, vintage Schwinn, tandems, XC race missiles, enduro, ti bikepacking rigs, gravel, road, fat bikes. We both work in the industry and have amassed a great collection. We only have one car so why shouldn’t the garage be a workshop and walls of bikes?
Mylaptopisburningme@reddit
I haven't seen anyone mention something like this yet: https://www.amazon.com/YOHOOLYO-Motorcycle-Anti-Theft-Waterproof-Motorcycles/dp/B0B68T1ZZZ
I don't have a bike yet, but that's just one of the many things I know I will need for it. I figure 2 alarms, a tracker, an expensive lock. I know what bike I want and the seat post has a quick release which I will replace to something not so easy to steal. The bike also has removable pedals, so will be taking those with me.
PicaDiet@reddit
Good locks and insurance is about the best you can do. Just make sure coverage is for replacement value and the deductible is reasonable. That way If it does get stolen, you get to shop for a new one with the insurance money. Sleep easy.
Mysterious_Bass6202@reddit
I had my stolen ebike recovered within hours. I sat at my kitchen table, on the phone to the police patrol car, following my Airtag. Police was keen as the have been chasing a bike thief in the area. They caught him redhanded and of he went to the lockup. My bike was returned to me same night with some minor damage. Thank you Apple Airtag!
svelteoven@reddit
For me a single New York hi grade lock and a motion alarm for nipping into the shops. Away from the bike for longer then two of those locks. If I'm feeling iffy I'll take the battery.
Generally I refuse to lock it up in public for long periods as I felt that pain once before and refuse to experience that again.
Still looking for an inexpensive gps tracker...
godzillabobber@reddit
What do you consider a heavy duty lock? Is it one of the highly angle resistant ones?
123ihavetogoweeeeee@reddit
Both.
Dannyz@reddit
When I got my bike, I insured it for the first couple of years and used crazy expensive locks. After a few years, I just did a shitty rattle can paint job and got paneers that mostly hide the hub motor.
Snarkosaurus99@reddit
Air Tags are worthless if you live in an area in the US where the cops quit working after George Floyd, which is quite a bit of it. If you have some “special friends” that can assist with recovering the bike then maybe helpful. But if they are hidden well, they probably wont work unless you are standing next to the bike anyway.
Scuttling-Claws@reddit
Cops in my area barely solve murders, I can't imagine going to them because of a stolen bike
Snarkosaurus99@reddit
But I have the exact location and the bike has my drivers license etched on it.
Sorry, nothing we can do. Ooooo I just caught a shiny in Pokemon!!!
i__hate__you__people@reddit
$300 ABUS anti-grinder U-lock for when I’m leaving it to go in a store. Nothing little built-in frame lock when I’ll be vaguely within sight and am just grabbing coffee. $13 disc brake lock that beeps REALLY loud and annoyingly whenever it feels like the bike has been bumped or moved for when I’m leaving it in my backyard at night.
Ok-Many4195@reddit
Simple. I dropped $6k on a lightweight folding titanium ebike. No theft possible unless its right under my nose.
No_Perspective_242@reddit
Both duh. How is this a question
mindlessnosepicker@reddit
(D). All of the above.
OldMany8032@reddit
AirTags are FAR worse than GPS jammers. Most e-bike thieves don’t have a GPS jammer whereas every e-bike thief has a cell phone and can very easily see if an AirTag is “following” them.
Odd-Lime-2738@reddit
Several locks, a chonky chain, solid insurance and the knowledge that all material possessions are fleeting.
If someone wants your bike bad enough, they’ll have it. Might as well prepare for that day by putting it off as long as possible and not stressing when it does happen.
Inevitable_Wait_7034@reddit
There sre locks with insurances that pays back a good sum if the bike is stolen by breaking the lock. Check Kryptonite locks. Additional bike insurance can also help. Removing the stickers of bike brand can make it also less appealing to steal. Some even repaint to make it ugly.
There is silver bullet, though.
Taddgoods@reddit
Both
trevor_plantaginous@reddit
Hiplok d1000 or litelok x3 locked to something secure in a well trafficked place. Litlock X1 little less secure. Those locks are good enough that most thieves will pass onto another bike. Only thing that really works. It just makes th time to steal unreasonable.
Ok-Type-8917@reddit
I rely on a couple good locks. I don't lock up for long and lock in high visibility areas right in front of where I'm going. The problem with any type of trackers in my area would be that I'm probably the one going to get it, I doubt the police could do anything.
Deroldfer@reddit
So me and my wife use locks to wrap around the whole bike to whatever is around and stuck in the ground like a tree. We also got a cheap motion sensing alarm that we can activate when we are away from them. The point is to make your bike harder to get not impossible.
Infinite_Ad_9106@reddit
I have both a decent frame lock and an airtag hidden on the bottle holder.
Wouldn't pay for anything with a subscription unless they had some sort of insurance.