ULPT Request- Want to ruin my sexual abusive father’s landscaping company
Posted by panda_mandaz@reddit | UnethicalLifeProTips | View on Reddit | 318 comments
My biological father sexually abused me from ages 8-14. He did 6 weeks jail time for his crimes against me. One week for each year of sexual abuse I had to endure
I was not the only sibling he abused but those are not my stories to tell.
I still live in the same community as my abuser/father. He owns his own landscaping company which seems to be thriving. He paid for advertisements on the local radio and I get to hear my abusers voice 24/7 now.
I doubt most of his clients would invite them to their home if they knew how many people he has actually raped/abused. I am spreading the news in my town on a much smaller level but looking for ideas/help how to absolutely destroy this man’s business (also still keep it legal)
abridged_4@reddit
Local new stations are always looking for a story
Orangeboi_22@reddit
Google and Yelp reviews. "For a convicted child rapist, he's surprisingly affordable. And since it was his own child that he sexually assaulted, was arrested, tried and convicted for, your own children might be safe. But like I said, this child rapist landscaper is surprisingly affordable."
JamesT3R9@reddit
OP if you do this - do it from a device that is not yours or registered to you and do it on a publicly available internet connection. Create a onetime use only email for this. Maintain that plausible deniability. I doubt tellong the world of someones criminal conviction is defamatory BUT you do not want to have spend money on a lawyer to get that case dismissed if you dont have to
theanoeticist@reddit
Use a VPN, too.
brainhack3r@reddit
Talk to a lawyer before doing this but reality is a stable/easy defense against defamation.
You can talk about this all you want and there's nothing he can do about it.
But talk to a lawyer.
CamelotBurns@reddit
This does not fall into tge definition of defamation or libel.
Defamation is false information being spread to ruin a person's reputation.
If he was tried and convicted, theres no way he could go after OP for defamation because its not false information with the intention of ruining his reputation. Its true, and proven.
brainhack3r@reddit
Right but you can be sued for it still unless the judge dismisses the case as frivolous.
Then it has to go in front of a jury and then they will lose.
But remember you still have to hire a lawyer during this process and it costs money. Like a LOT of money.
A friend of mine was involved in a frivolous case (Aaron Swartz, google the case if you want) and his family had to sell their home to pay the legal costs.
UnethicalLifeProTips-ModTeam@reddit
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CamelotBurns@reddit
I doubt any lawyer would touch that case.
"I want to sue my child because they posted about me SAing them and its affecting me!"
There would be no pay out for the lawyer.
brainhack3r@reddit
Most lawyers don't make money via payouts if they win though.
They simply charge $500 per hour.
You can sue over insanely stupid shit and there are plenty of lawyers that will line up and take your money.
Cynical_Tripster@reddit
Eh, if he's convicted and it's on public records, it wouldn't be libel would it? But yeah, talk to a lawyer
terpsarelife@reddit
I think as long as you avoid "doxxing" via the sex offender registry, and the information you are conveying is factual and true..... what can they say
panda_mandaz@reddit (OP)
Everything I’ve said is factual, true, and public record
Quiet_Green_Garden@reddit
In my county, all court dockets are publicly available. Perhaps you can search him and put the link in your review.
panda_mandaz@reddit (OP)
They are publicly available by my county charges for them as far as I know. I had to pay to get my copy
Hopeful-Chef-1470@reddit
post it as a Google doc and just pass the link via word of mouth. town Facebook page? state reddit? neighbors or next door? go ham with the legal proof and watch concerned citizens hearing his voice on the radio amplifying your message. Make memes to go with.
destroy him.
jaggs55@reddit
Could maybe get slippery if you use multiple accounts to post similar reviews??
Miserable_Cherry1382@reddit
Not defamation if its true
brainhack3r@reddit
Right but you can be sued over it... that's my point. In court the defense is that it's true.
panda_mandaz@reddit (OP)
Yelp actually deleted my review with pictures of his background check lol. Wow
Automatic-Sugar1320@reddit
Liability. Off topic. All the excuses they use to make sure more don't do it.
glorywesst@reddit
Isn’t he on a sex offender list? And there may be laws about broadcasting that. I have no idea what they are.
Goldblums_Eyebrows@reddit
If they're on the list, it's a matter of public record
JimmyTheDog@reddit
NEVER use yelp, predatory business
Azigol@reddit
Just like her father!
CamelotBurns@reddit
If your community has a Facebook group, you can probably make a post in it about the "predatory landscaper", post his business information along with his background check/any registry infIrmation if hes a registered sex offender.
I think a lot of them all anonymous posting if you don't want him tying it back to you.
MaedoFielder@reddit
Go for Google. Yelp sucks anyway.
Grammar_Nazi1234@reddit
Sounds like a good time to contact yelp HR and ask why that happened. Yelp is trying desperately to not get sued, even if they dont care what happened they might help you out.
DeeGayJator@reddit
He's a registered sex offender?
iMakestuffz@reddit
Someone else suggested the four star review with all the gory details because that way it’s less likely to be taken down and people will be more likely to see a 4 star review
kl0udyr@reddit
Hes a really good landscaper despite his past?! Lol
subhuman_voice@reddit
Yes, this exactly.
VishusVonBittertroll@reddit
Not that it isnt absolutely justified, but probably meets their definition of doxxing.
Mossy-Mori@reddit
2 star reviews are apparently harder to have removed than 1 star
IamAWorldChampionAMA@reddit
One-star reviews often get mentally filed as "angry person, probably overreacting" and skimmed past. 2 star reviews can read as more measured, like the person tried to find something good and couldn't, which makes people lean in. A thoughtful 2 star can do more damage than a furious 1 star.
On removal: this one's more myth than fact. Platforms like Google and Yelp don't remove reviews based on star count. They remove based on content (profanity, threats, conflicts of interest, fake reviews, etc.) or because the business successfully disputed it. A well written 1 star is just as durable as a well written 2 star.
MaedoFielder@reddit
I’ve had multiple fake reviews. Google won’t remove any of them and there’s nothing you can do about it.
Kooky-Whereas-2493@reddit
maybe only YOU think they are fake reviews
reallybilliereally@reddit
you can respond to them, and/or try to right the wrong. if they're wrong, or it's their own stupidity that they're actually rating-- call them on it... just be kind. imagine you're talking to a child, or a grandma.
johpick@reddit
I've had multiple elaborated 2-3 star reviews removed after I visited the venue. Google didn't check in with me. There was no discussion. There was no dispute despite the rated venue filing at complaint at Google's. I stopped trusting reviews. Everywhere, everytime.
PositiveUnit829@reddit
Yeah, but I think companies pay to suppress the poor reviews. Only the good ones come to the top. You have to dig and dig and dig deep to find the poor reviews if you pay extra. At least that’s what I believe because I was fooled, seeing only good reviews, Hiring the company. Getting screwed. And then going back and digging, digging digging, and all of the poor reviews were very difficult to find.
MaedoFielder@reddit
Biz owner. It’s impossible to remove any google reviews.
P26601@reddit
Welp, unless you live in Germany 😅 It's actually crazy how many businesses abuse this system over here
Broflake-Melter@reddit
bruv, go to r/ethicallifeprotips.
Wouldn't unethical be more like, swap the herbicide with the fertilizer.
NoLipsForAnybody@reddit
Yes. Or just go crazy with lots of salt.
JimmyTheDog@reddit
NEVER use yelp, predatory business
Disorderly_Chaos@reddit
“Having raped a child already, his thirst is satiated.”
or
“He is only attracted to minors in his family, yours are safe.”
Few-Philosopher-4742@reddit
Yelp will (sadly) remove these types of reviews.
I would go with just bad reviews relevant to his business. Space them out over a few weeks so it doesn’t look like just one person with a vendetta/alert the algorithm.
Perhaps have some unscrupulous redditors help by using different IP addresses.
MaedoFielder@reddit
I’ll help!
bbennett108@reddit
As someone else said, review platforms will remove your reviews if you use them to mention what he did. He’ll flag them and they’ll definitely take them down.
Make the reviews sound like actual bad ones. He didn’t do the work agreed on / did a bad job / showed up late / impossible to get a hold of - all the stuff people are scared a contractor will be like.
If you accuse him of ripping you off then you may be able to get away with saying people should google his name cuz he’s probably got convictions from scamming people.
The other thing you’re gonna wanna do is talk about what he did in a lot of places, and be sure to mention his name, company name, what crimes he committed, etc so that people looking into his company have those things show up.
Title everything stuff that people would actually be searching, like “CompanyName Landscaping Review”.
Put it on all social media platforms, not just the big major ones but all the smaller, older, random ones too.
Don’t repost the same exact thing over and over, vary it up at least a bit so it’s unique.
Do ALL types of mediums - images, videos, text posts. You can do articles on Medium type sites, put it in a pdf and upload to Scribd type sites, make a free google site that links to a bunch of videos and posts about it, etc.
Post your stuff natively from each platform, i.e. don’t use apps that distribute it to multiple places, and don’t just share a YouTube link (if it’s video, record a new one using their native function for video).
What you want is to flood search engine results and AI LLM mentions with all these so that people inevitably watch or read one of them with even a light search on his company.
You can also try to hit up different journalists, blogs, and podcasts that are either local or do expose type stuff to see if any will cover him or at least mention it somewhere.
NorthvilleCoeur@reddit
Be sure to include a link for anything online about his conviction
kaprixiouz@reddit
He'll acquire a whole new clientele and they'll all wear a specific hat and fly a certain flag. They love sexual predators.
Dropitlikeitscold555@reddit
He lives rent free in your brain doesn’t he? 😎
angrydoritonoises@reddit
Knew who they were taking about didn’t you
Jesterbomb@reddit
Who are you talking about?
glittercatlady@reddit
Who does?
ecodick@reddit
perfect response
10/10 proof that brevity is the soul of wit
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Grant_Winner_Extra@reddit
lol “Not only did he keep my lawn healthy, he gave me a healthy grandchild with my 9 y/o”
ugh… writing that made me barf. Probably would kill his business too.
I don’t think this in unethical though as long as it’s true.
Cute-Class3624@reddit
Post flyers. Trust me they're effective
lurkingsince4ever@reddit
Post his business name so others can submit negative reviews. Would help if a local new story could be included/shared also.
We can also put pressure on radio station too.
panda_mandaz@reddit (OP)
I thought about first calling them today to make sure they are aware of who they are promoting.
Name of business is Ernie’s Landscaping LLC in Kennewick, Wa. Guess I just doxxed myself but oh well do your worst Reddit
tronfunkinblows_10@reddit
Looks like some folks got on Yelp recently too.
https://yelp.to/Lg2vkB0HPv
MjrGrangerDanger@reddit
Unfortunately only one remains
RiddyReddit333@reddit
The beauty of social media.
tronfunkinblows_10@reddit
“Child of God” ok buddy
https://www.instagram.com/ernie.adair?igsh=ZTY5NDR2a3ZkMQ==
panda_mandaz@reddit (OP)
Hilarious
splorng@reddit
Are you the one mentioned in his bio?
RiddyReddit333@reddit
It's great that you put it in there for us all to squash him, but I'd remove it if I were you. This is traceable and you don't want that! We've all seen it though - hahahaha Ernie!
eatingganesha@reddit
I would make flyers that had screenshots of his court record and his mug shot and stuff them in every mailbox and put them up in every bulletin board and telephone pole in town.
Impossible_Volume811@reddit
If he’s done time, then he was found guilty of the crime.
So can you not sue him in civil court?
Talk to some lawyers who specialise in cases like this.
With his conviction as proof of guilt you and your siblings may be able to take his whole business away from him in damages.
brainhack3r@reddit
... and pretty sure civil cases are easier when they're found guilty in a criminal case.
nicksansalty@reddit
Absolutely, and the burden of proof in civil cases is only a preponderance of the evidence rather than beyond a reasonable doubt.
Additionally, if he pleaded guilty to the offenses in criminal court it would help further OPs case in civil court. IANAL and this is not legal advice
brainhack3r@reddit
I also don't see how a woman telling other people she was sexually assaulted, at that time, was rape.
So I think what men should do is every time they have sex with someone, tell everyone they were raped.
Then this way you can go to court and have 'evidence' that YOU were raped, not the other way around.
UnethicalLifeProTips-ModTeam@reddit
Your comment was removed for violating rule 14: No reason to be a dick. Seriously, get therapy or fuck off.
RiddyReddit333@reddit
Yeah, but OP needs to check the statute of limitations for her state. Some will only allow civil suits up to 4-6 years depending on how the crime is categorized.
Disorderly_Chaos@reddit
And even longer if it’s children (some states)
Gwsb1@reddit
Statute of limitations might have run.
RiddyReddit333@reddit
Given the tone of her message, I believe it's way to late for a civil suit.
Gwsb1@reddit
That's what I'm thinking. She was a kid when assulted and is now an adult.
SGlanzberg@reddit
I think some states have laws that extend longer SOL with victims of child sex abuse. Idk where OP lives but they should research that / meet with an attorney to get an opinion on the SOL.
LadyZoogle@reddit
Yes, look up your state OP! Mine just made it to where there’s no limitations when it comes to child sexual abuse, which is incredible & I hope it’s that way for you too!
ScarInternational161@reddit
Civil suit. He was convicted.... own that business...
CindyinMemphis@reddit
I like the way you think.
MOTwingle@reddit
Yes! Hopefully the statute of limitations hasn't expired.
TrailwoodTom@reddit
Is he on a public sex offender list ? If he is, your options are pretty straightforward
panda_mandaz@reddit (OP)
He is not. Not considered high enough on registry. Does have two child molestation convictions. Also has felony assault on women as well as violating protective orders. He was just released from prison for violating a protection order
clown___cum@reddit
Do you have a photo/screenshot of his mug shot alongside that info? Posting that to a local group could get some attention from people in the community.
panda_mandaz@reddit (OP)
I actually did and it was a little helpful unfortunately I couldn’t post pictures of the background check and a surprisingly lot of people were trying to stick up for him. I did get majority support though
clown___cum@reddit
Who defends a child molestor? That’s crazy, I’m genuinely sorry.
Obama_on_acid@reddit
I know of someone who assaulted his baby sister- years later, one of the people he was working for found out AND INVITED HIM TO A 4TH GRADERS BIRTHDAY PARTY?!?! Also probably assaulted a couple women in the neighborhood recently and his much older girlfriend’s 9 yr old daughter, whom he was living with for years- idk how that’s legal.
But she had a plot to hogtie, torture and kill him for a reason- didn’t work out as planned, he did get his kneecap taken out with a shotgun, tho. I think he spent maybe a month in jail? But she’s still letting him hide from the cops there- he’s wanted again, for who knows what. Constant police raids over there, helicopters and swat- the works. Idk how they can’t catch him, I’ll see him out in the street yelling after loose dogs and stuff sometimes- it’s like he’s not even trying to hide.
UnethicalLifeProTips-ModTeam@reddit
WTF?
a_fictionalcharacter@reddit
excuse me what a thing to drop in such a buried comment??? that's insane
Obama_on_acid@reddit
Probably got a little carried away- it’s insane over there, tho
Successful_Nature712@reddit
User name checks out lmao
mseuro@reddit
uh tens of thousands of people
clown___cum@reddit
Yeah, but on a local page? For a landscaper? Even if I didn’t take issue with the dudes crime for whatever reason, I’d still keep quiet about it on my personal Facebook account.
kaprixiouz@reddit
If they'll support such a person for the highest office in the nation, I don't think they'll bat an eye over a landscaper.
candyred1@reddit
No, there just was not a better choice. When you only have two choices of which piece of shit to choose from, you choose the piece of shit who the other huge pieces of shit running other countries will be afraid of, cause hes nuts. You dont choose the piece of shit thats going to put a huge target on our heads!
UnethicalLifeProTips-ModTeam@reddit
Dumb.
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clown___cum@reddit
Yeah, but a lot of those people genuinely believe he’s innocent… you can find groups on Facebook full of memes bashing liberals and their ridiculous, unfounded claims… it doesn’t seem like people should be that determined to protect some local dude who works on their lawn, lol
liedel@reddit
Your second claim does not in any way support the first.
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gossipchicken@reddit
Love the art, hate the artist
LadyZoogle@reddit
You’d be surprised how hard people want to hold onto their initial judgements on a person. If they see this person as a good guy, you’d be amazed the hoops they’ll jump through to continue seeing him that way.
alien_survivor@reddit
70 million folks
candyred1@reddit
The older generations, who raised kids in the 50s and 60s esp...were taught that men have value, men are the smart ones, men deserve being catered to and heard...women are low value, should be servants to men, and their opinion is rediculous. So many older women literally think men are God's. They side with abusers and victim shame. They still think it was completely normal for a father to drive his daughters friend home ALONE and cant begin to hear why that should never be ok. They pretend problems dont exist, thats how they deal with them. My mother in law is a poster child for this bs. She's dumber than a box of rocks too. My abusive husband's aunt told me to "stop bashing him" when I spoke out he was abusive and I needed help.
OpenSourcePenguin@reddit
Go and search "US president"
Make sure you are sitting down
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Prior_Region_3989@reddit
A fat 3rd of voters support chomos.
Miserable_Cherry1382@reddit
Half of the country unfortunately
Express-Stop7830@reddit
I hate that we all know the answer to that question.
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ElizabethTheFourth@reddit
Print it out and tape it to streetlights around the neighborhood where his business is. "Mandatory community notification: convicted child molester, currently at address __"
zeaor@reddit
Print it out and post it on streetlights around the neighborhood where his business is. "Mandatory community notification: convicted child molester, currently at address __"
looahvul@reddit
First off, do some research on libel in this situation . Use ChatGPT or Claude for basic research, no need for an atty but you may need one later - be ready. Landscaping is a word of mouth business, so you need a ‘new word’ to get out.
Next, online reviews. Tell the truth about his business. Google, Yelp, Angie, etc. this will tank his online authority.
Lastly, contact his vendors. Ethical marketing/supplier/services/etc vendors won’t want their name associated.
Gorilla tactics (extra credit if you’re aggressive): Buy a billboard with is public arrest info and business name. Fliers dropped in any area he is targeting, directly in mailboxes. Works for commercial or consumer. Both have high libel suit probability.
Source: i run a marketing services agency for a similar industry.
queen_olestra@reddit
If your area has "nextdoor" or some other neighborhood bulletin board type app, post there!
JazzlikeAir3320@reddit
Lawyer here but not your lawyer. Anyone can sue for anything, and you have to spend the time and money to defend it. Do people sue for defamation just to harass the other person? All the time.
But truth is an absolute defense to a lawsuit for defamation. Any lawyer would warn him of that. This would be even more clear cut if the alleged defamatory statement was a fact about his conviction. The only question would be- would he have the audacity to sue for defamation when he knows the truth? That’s a personal question because he can certainly lie to a lawyer and pay to file the lawsuit if he wants
Important_Mud_6700@reddit
If pedo dad decides to sue this victim, I think a GoFundMe would help pay attorney's fees. I for one would gladly contribute
liedel@reddit
Most states have Anti-SLAPP laws where the person suing the other person to silence them would have to pay the person they sued's legal fees. SLAPP = Strategic Lawsuits Against Public Participation
ConsciousProduce8798@reddit
Gorilla tactics sound kinda fun. You dress up in a gorilla shit and then hurl feces at him or something?
Nerdsamwich@reddit
Truth is a defense against libel.
looahvul@reddit
No doubt.
But reviews are meant to review a service, not recount personal issues. I’m not an atty, but it’s worth a little AI time for protections just in case.
hexr@reddit
That's not enough to be put on the sex offender's list??? What the fuck
jaxxon@reddit
I knew a guy who was drunk and pissed on a bush in a public park and ended up on the registry for it. Maybe OP is from a country with different laws?
cheesenachos12@reddit
Or even a different state. Or even a different judge.
Harry_Testa-Coles@reddit
Wait, how did he just get released from prison, but has a thriving business with a marketing budget?
artsyfartsyMinion@reddit
It actually a front for money laundering 🤷🤫🤔
panda_mandaz@reddit (OP)
I am not close enough to that man to know those answers. Great questions though
Heroshrine@reddit
Are you in the US? Cus any conviction for it gets you on it in the US.
LukasLeonard@reddit
I think I would print out 5000 copies of the convictions and start dropping them allllll over town, in businesses, mailboxes, car lots, stores, etc.
FlowerPower_MidWest@reddit
This is appalling, but an easy fix for you. Make a website and run every tag and meta data for him and his business to point to it as a registered sex offender.
If you need help doing it, I'm sure a redditor will assist for free if you ask. Failing that, go on Fiverr and somebody will probably take the job cheap.
More_Bigger@reddit
My buddy was on the run from parole here in CA, went to Oregon and survived robbing sex offenders off Megan's Law. Finally comes back to CA and got rolled within a week. He kept telling me he should have stayed in Oregon doing Gods work.
Chaotic Good.
gjack905@reddit
You think that's a good thing? Do you not realize there are thousands of registered sex offenders who never actually committed a crime?
earthhominid@reddit
Which ones?
The registries list the conviction, so if you're worried about the "got caught peeing in public" folks you could just avoid people with an "indecent exposure" conviction
gjack905@reddit
No, I'm talking about the thousands of wrongful convictions where someone gets convicted of something they did not do
ConsciousProduce8798@reddit
Are you on the list, mate? For something you deemed not list worthy but probably was yeah? I reckon it might be you with the fragile ego in this thread, champ.
gjack905@reddit
Nope, never been arrested, completely clean record. I know someone though
It just infuriates me that even one human being read what I typed out and said to themselves something other than "I agree, good point". People are despicable and unintelligent.
ConsciousProduce8798@reddit
What does "I know someone though" mean here? You know someone who is on the list but they told you they were innocent therefore they are?
I do agree that there are a lot of people who are despicable and unintelligent though. But not for the same reasons. Just generally. My catch phrase is "people are the worst".
forgetfulbumblebee@reddit
I’m guessing it’s a friend, a “good, innocent man who swears he was framed” 🤡 or maybe him too, bc why would he be so defensive?
It’s practically impossible to get a conviction for a sex crime. Harder to prosecute than all other crimes put together. If you’re on a sex offenders list, not only did you definitely do it - it also wasn’t the first time
Just another pdf apologist. These days, I’m not even surprised anymore, they’re everywhere
gjack905@reddit
I'm not being defensive at all, I'm just speaking out on an issue
That has to be some of the dumbest shit I've ever read. How ignorant can you be? Lower burden of proof, restrictions on how you're allowed to defend yourself. A sex crime prosecution is on "easy mode" if anything. And people are way more likely to assume you did it before the trial even starts. Just....what? How could someone think this?
This is the exact error in logic that needs to be fixed
You apparently don't know what apologist means. Apologist means that you think that what they did is okay. One cannot be an apologist by saying "they didn't do it", that's not how that works. By definition, not possible.
Where? They're nowhere. The world is screaming about woodchippers and cheering on vigilantism. Nowhere is anyone saying "being a child sex abuser is acceptable and okay". What communities are you involved in where you see people saying that child sex abusers don't deserve to be punished?
forgetfulbumblebee@reddit
Lmao lower burden of proof?
I’ve researched this - which means going deeper than “my friend assured me it doesn’t work like that” - and you’re wrong on every single count
Look up the stats on false rape accusations. What’s the percentage?
Now look at how many rapes get reported vs how many happen every year. And of the rapes that get reported, how many do police investigate. And of the rapes they investigate, how many do they drop. And of the rapes they don’t drop, how many lead to an arrest. And of the rapists that get arrested, how many go to trial. And of the rapists on trial, how many go to prison. And of the rapists that go to prison, how many serve longer than a year.
Less than one percent of rapists ever face any consequences
Your friend is lying to you, but you’re so eager to hate “evil women” who “put innocent men behind bars with their false accusations” that you happily believe him lol. Go back to your MRA Tate Peterson garbage
Have you heard of [that faction of American voters who support their nonce rapist cult leader]? Wtf do you mean there are no rape apologists??? Read the news. But only read the news after you’re done researching rape stats, because you’re a nice guy who cares about these things right lmao
**hopefully you understand who I’m talking about, my comment was deleted for using the correct term
gjack905@reddit
Lmao it's physically impossible to track "false rape allegations" with a statistic. There is no way to know how many of them were actually false, only ones that ended up being proven false, which is only going to be a microscopic piece of actual falsehoods. Anybody that claims to have researched and knows a "percentage of rape allegations that are false" is automatically full of it, because that's not possible by definition.
You have no idea how many there are, period. It's not something you can just "look up".
I know who you're talking about and we're right back to you not understanding what an apologist is. An apologist is someone who believes that they did it and that what they did is okay. One cannot be an apologist by saying "I need to see proof that he actually did it." Since there isn't any, because if there was it would be shared far and wide with links every time someone makes the claim, ergo there is no "rapist nonce cult leader" to be an apologist for
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i-am-foxymoron@reddit
"Where? They're nowhere."
There's a list of people that haven't been prosecuted.
"What communities... see people saying that child sex abusers don't deserve to be punished?"
The current administration of the US.
ConsciousProduce8798@reddit
I'm wondering where they live that sex crimes are considered an easy law suit to win. It does also sound like they have personal experience or something because they're so sure in their statements about this. Perhaps they're a lawyer?
earthhominid@reddit
Thats a fair point. It's hard to get any good numbers about wrongful conviction.
Most studies I found when I looked did list sexual assault and child sex crimes as most common crimes with a wrongful convictions. And most studies also list these crimes as crimes most likely to go unreported and unprosecuted.
Estimates of wrongful conviction vary widely as well, everywhere from less than 0.1% all the way to over 30%. Having spent some time in prison, the estimates that put it over 10% seem wildly improbable to me.
dickwae@reddit
10 years on reddit and crying about being downvoted? That's a downvote.
Flux_My_Capacitor@reddit
As opposed to the millions of victims who never got justice?
gjack905@reddit
Both can be true? Justice fails in both directions, not a hard concept
floofienewfie@reddit
One of the worst things about Oregon, and I live there.
forgetfulbumblebee@reddit
Do they flock there for some reason, or are they natives?
floofienewfie@reddit
Oregon has strong social programs. It’s experimented with decriminalizing hard drugs, which only attracted more addicts to the state. More legislation to enact penalties requiring jail time or compulsory rehab was then passed. I believe this helped put Oregon in the top five states for homelessness.
It has liberal guidelines for things like Medicaid and other low-income assistance. All of that is good stuff, but Oregon doesn’t have sales tax. This means that business and property taxes are pretty high. Income tax is somewhere around 10%, one of the highest in the nation. The state has seen corporations move out of state because of it. We may have gorgeous coastlines, beautiful mountains and amazing rivers and forests, not to mention the high desert and night skies away from population centers, but our economic policies suck.
gjack905@reddit
You think that's a good thing? Do you not realize that there's thousands of innocent wrongly convicted people on that list?
forgetfulbumblebee@reddit
Thousands 💀 do you know how hard it is to get a conviction? 99% of them get away with it and you’re pretending most of the convictions are false lmao
Admirable-Load2760@reddit
Yes publish a local map with his address and name in big text or highlighted and some sort of "don't employ predators!" ,listing all the local offenders in smaller writing. Get a flyer in the mailboxes of lawn service customers , put up posters. Not sure if that's legal. Post to local neighbors app about s'offender in your area, show his name and info on photo posts ( this is legal and as long as your post comment doesn't directly name a person,you can post photos about local offender info) Sorry that you were dealt shitty parents. Hope you heal and get along well in life, sending love ❤️
GirlStiletto@reddit
Ask this question publicly on as many social media accounts as you can. Make sure to get any public records you can.
"I have a question? Why is it aht tha owner of Mandaz Landscaping, Mr. Mandaz, is not on any psex offender registries after being convicted of multiple child molestation charges against his own children?"
UnethicalLifeProTips-ModTeam@reddit
Post has gotten off-track.
kiblick@reddit
This sounds like a local safety news report of "Do you know who really mows your yard? Are your children safe?"
kierran69@reddit
Rent a billboard/advertising space and put the extract of the court judgement on half of it, his landscaping advert on the other half
Reasonable-Crab4291@reddit
Make up signs and put them up all over town.
panda_mandaz@reddit (OP)
Literally have plans to do that today
RiddyReddit333@reddit
I believe there are victim advocacy groups who can help you with this.
Few-Philosopher-4742@reddit
There are victim advocacy groups that do this!? I need more information so I can donate to the cause
New-Negotiation7234@reddit
Highly doubt this bc it would be seen as unethical amoing other issues
Ruleyoumind@reddit
Look into every door direct mailers
Koumadin@reddit
let us know how it goes!
jasmineandjewel@reddit
Use his mugshot. Add flyers as well as signs.
Beneficial-School-78@reddit
Call the radio station that he has ads playing on 24/7 and ask them how they feel about supporting a child molester. That should get him canceled asap. May not put his biz under but at least you don't have to hear his voice everyday. 😔
QueenBeeTarot@reddit
https://namehim.app
Turtleintexas@reddit
What you do is go salt the yards that he has landscaped. This is ULPT. Just be sure not to get caught doing it.
gooeyjello@reddit
Is he a registered sex offender?
Koumadin@reddit
OP said no
gooeyjello@reddit
I think that they have to be?
Mythbusters117@reddit
This will take a ton of work, but if he's a registered sex offender he needs to stay away from many different places such as schools, daycares, etc. I want to say there's a certain distance he needs to remain away from at all times.
Find out if any of his clients, or repeat clients, happened to live within said minimum distance. Then call the police and follow a report of a registered sex offender violating his probationary terms for being within the specified distance in violation of the law.
adognameddanzig@reddit
Maybe pay for some SEO that links his company with his criminal past.
scienceizfake@reddit
Building on this idea - buy a domain with his full name and just post simple factual information and court records.
redoubledit@reddit
Building on it further. Find the agency that made his website (if there is one) and talk to them to either drop him or help with „subtle changes“ to the code.
SecretCorm@reddit
Hell yeah, if you want to do this, DM me. I work at an agency full time and have done “white hat” SEO for 13 years. Happy to spread some knowledge and help make sure your info stays private if he wants to go looking for who owns a site like that.
Successful_Nature712@reddit
Pay for his arrest info etc to show up vs. his website.
SugarFut@reddit
Do they have a Facebook page? Make an identical one and have some fun. The photos of the company’s “work” should have dead foliage or obvious dog shit in the yard. Post updates that give bad landscaping advice.“throw some extra Himalayan pink salt on your yard for extra green grass 🤩” or “ Don’t forget to increase your sprinkler time by 400% in the winter months.”
Luke-Bywalker@reddit
Go crazy with his numbers lol
-write it in every port-a-potty you use with some nasty comment
--->schools, fast food places, bars, ....
-craigslist listing with way too cheap concert tickets or free stuff ("only availible to call, no texts"!)
-fake hot girl profile on insta/reddit then post the number saying you're lonely, 1st one to call can come over
some tips for mail:
-sign up to scientology stuff
-sign up to MailBait . info
Anything that could be stolen in front of the company?
-make a photo of it, "free" on craigslist with "just go get it, I'll be there somewhere but I'm busy so just take it"
If you have access to his seeds:
-Mix in a bag of hemp seeds most ppl don't want random weed plants
-add Kudzu if you're in southern parts of the US
-add Cirsium vulgare seeds (spiky, annoying plants)
ratthrasher@reddit
You can’t grow weed from hemp seeds that you buy at the store. They don’t grow at all. Adding kudzu would absolutely destroy the business but moral obligation to not plant kudzu is there.
Waggable@reddit
It's surprisingly affordable to purchase monthly space on a highway billboard.
It's also not that expensive to have a billboard sized sign made up.
INeedAllOfTheCats@reddit
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zzzelot@reddit
Make a fake Facebook account for him and comment weird shit under his customer’s photos. Start dm-ing unhinged shit. Then the next day dm “omg i was drunk im so sorry”. Then repeat.
TicketyB000@reddit
I'd do this on Nextdoor, as well. That place is the gutter of the swamp dwellers.
Disorderly_Chaos@reddit
As the fathers account: “Couldn’t help but notice the swing set in your yard while planting flowers. Is your daughter double digits yet?”
DecadentLife@reddit
🩷 it
INeedAllOfTheCats@reddit
Hello Satan :)
MOTwingle@reddit
Now THIS is brilliant!
Miami_Mice2087@reddit
Call the radio station and tattle. They won't want the legal risk of continuing to air them. Tell them what you told us: It's distressing to you to hear your sexual abuser's voice on the radio all the time and you're thinking about suing.
He should be registered as a sex offender so you can direct the station to his profile on the state's sexual offender or megan's law website.
Spray paint his vehicles, equipment, and building with his crimes. Wear a mask, gloves, sunglasses, a wig, and non-distinctive shoes (like black sneakers), baggy dark clothes, or hire someone to do it for you.
Astan92@reddit
What legal risk? There is nothing illegal about airing ads from a company owned by a sex offender.
Now it might make them second guess being associated with the sex offender business but let's not get it confused for a legal risk.
Macr0Penis@reddit
Anyone can sue anyone for anything. It doesn't mean they will win, but the radio station probably wouldn't want the optics of defending a child rapist.
A threat to sue will also ensure the complaint is elevated up the chain of command at the station; and therefore more likely to have action taken.
Astan92@reddit
No one is suing a radio station for airing an ad for a sex offender's business. That is not a real risk, and someone threatening that would get laughed off the phone. Just as much as the judge would laugh them out of court should they be stupid enough to actually sue.
There is no legal risk airing an ad from a Sex Offender's company.
This is completely separate from the issue of the association by airing the ad, which is the actual threat.
Macr0Penis@reddit
No shit. I said that they wouldn't win, but the "threat" would ensure the complaint was looked at.
Again, anyone can sue anyone for anything in America. If there's no legal basis it will get thrown out.
OP doesn't need to win a case, or even go as far as suing. Just the THREAT may be enough.
If your reading comprehension is that bad, just don't comment. Don't try winning arguments that I wasn't making.
Astan92@reddit
There is no legal risk of airing the advertisement from a business that is owned by a sex offender. That is the one and only premise of this thread, which you seem to want to completely ignore and go off on a tangent of.
Your reading comprehension needs some work if you can't understand the context of this conversation enough to get angry that someone isn't engaging with your irreverent tangents.
QueenRagga@reddit
And leave your cel phone at home just in case.
florala25@reddit
And shoes should be another size than your shoe size ;)
Few-Philosopher-4742@reddit
Also contact the local news (print, TV) organizations
Glad_Kaleidoscope_66@reddit
Radio Stations dont want to be associated with.. thats the way
SillyStallion@reddit
Give him 5 reviews so they show up, but give negative comments. As it's 5 he will either not notice, or not be able to remove it
Entire-Tie-672@reddit
Hate the fact that people are blasting him for being a pedophile, and then he decided to make an awfully guilty facebook post about redemption. However he never mentioned what exactly he did to other human beings. Disgusting.
forgetfulbumblebee@reddit
I don’t understand. You know who he is?
Entire-Tie-672@reddit
No I don’t, much earlier into the post OP posted his business name in the comments and I googled it. OP has since deleted the comment, so I won’t share the name here out of respect for that. I hope you understand.
forgetfulbumblebee@reddit
Of course, totally understand.
panda_mandaz@reddit (OP)
He did? He has me blocked lol. He’s the most disgusting human I’ve ever met on this planet
Entire-Tie-672@reddit
Honestly the post was disgusting to read, you could just tell he wasn’t sorry. Just trying to make sure his business didn’t tank.
Few-Philosopher-4742@reddit
Did you perchance take a screenshot
Entire-Tie-672@reddit
Sadly I did not
SecretPersonality178@reddit
Mix salt into his fertilizers
Intrepid_Parrot@reddit
Dm me for reviews
FlabbyFishFlaps@reddit
It's surprisingly affordable to take out Meta ads locally. That's all I'll say.
Ok-Department3687@reddit
Do it. Idk why there are so many people who defend pedophiles- but screw that. Destroy his business. Destroy his reputation. Destroy his sense of safty. They do it to the innocent without batting an eye.
Tolerating behaviors that are predatory is sick and if you do, you're grouped in as one of them.
Its to the point where its going to become an issue thats handled by the people since the law doesn't want to protect.
Im so sorry OP. I wish you nothing but progress and prosperity.
panda_mandaz@reddit (OP)
Thanks everybody for all the support and ideas!! I’ll be doing more devious work later today and will give an update!
Crafty-Evidence2971@reddit
Salt
Donkeyshines@reddit
I'd want to know if I were his customer and this is something that a person doesn't get to leave hidden in their past.
Tasty-Run8895@reddit
Get a list of his customers, follow him for a few days if you have to. At night get some of those water soluble bags and some strong weed killer. When you get to one of his customers fill some of the bags with weed killer and throw them on the landscaping. The bag will dissolve and no evidence is left behind. You may have to test a few first to see how long you have once you fill them before they dissolve. Remember guys this sub is unethical. You may also want to leave copies of your dads mug shot and police record in their door but not at the same time. You don't want to link the two actions.
Tasty-Run8895@reddit
Wow, thanks for the reward.
HippyGeek@reddit
Make little lawn signs and place them in front of all of his clients' lawns. "Maintained by a child sexual abuser". Add his number.
SignatureCreepy503@reddit
start your own and directly compete and steal all the work
gooeyjello@reddit
Remake some of his landscaping company advertising flyers. Throw a coupon QR advert on there: "First mow free! Scan here to schedule" have the QR code go to the offender registry.
Successful_Nature712@reddit
Amazing and so easy to do too!!
forgetfulbumblebee@reddit
This is AMAZING
cassodragon@reddit
This is really good
Disorderly_Chaos@reddit
Better than my idea.
Make sure the link won’t go stale. Get a permanent link if possible.
yzerman88@reddit
Contact a local journalist
Zach-uh-ri-uh@reddit
Local journalists are often much more interested than we think. Often an underutilized resource in situations like these
Not at all as horrific but the stairs in my municipality that I walk every day was in an abysmal state. I ended up spraining my ankle. Id reported those stairs to the municipality as broken a thousand times but after the hospital my mom thought to call the local news. they did a story and suddenly lo and behold just a week later thw stairs are repaired for the first time in 10 years
Successful_Nature712@reddit
Some of us went to school for journalism and ended up in careers that weren’t in our original plan due to lack of print work.
Local journalists are always looking for stories. This is a great one and could be a multi-part story. Your mom had a great idea to call the local news! I hope your ankle has recovered now?
bionicallyironic@reddit
Find where he’s recently worked and throw bullion cubes and mint seeds on those yards. Bullion so dogs will come digging, mint because mint goes wherever the hell mint pleases.
German_Biker@reddit
You can add planting a few bamboo shoots to that list. But I would reserve that one for the people who are actively defending him because that’s a nasty one to do to an innocent customer who didn’t know his history of being a sick fuck.
Successful_Nature712@reddit
Oh my lord. You hate everyone if you are spreading bamboo into their yards…… whew! Maybe after handing them a flier and THEN they continue to employ him?
Deploying bamboo as a terrorism maneuver… it’s possible it could work
MareV51@reddit
Now I want to invent a gun like a flare gun that would shoot bamboo shoots into the grass. Could I modify a flare gun?
OkAdhesiveness5025@reddit
Add several heads of dandelions seeds to that! They spread like mint as well.
German_Biker@reddit
Maybe not a flare gun but I am sure you could make a potato gun work for something like this.
https://www.wikihow.com/Make-a-Potato-Gun
panda_mandaz@reddit (OP)
This is my favorite so far!!!
MOTwingle@reddit
This seems to punish the innocent client though. If you know who his clients are, I would print up a flyer maybe with copies of his conviction record, mugshot, and what he did. It's not slander or libel to state true facts.
Koumadin@reddit
completely agree
kalixanthippe@reddit
Welcome to the unethical part of UPLTs.
floofienewfie@reddit
Catnip works really well, too, and so does blackberry.
bionicallyironic@reddit
Have fun!
jasmineandjewel@reddit
I love this! 🤣
timbillyosu@reddit
Why ruin the people's yards? They are (hopefully) unaware and innocent bystanders. I like the idea of review bombing with as much detail as you can give. Or finding where he parks his stuff and strategically cutting valve stems or fuel lines or other fairly important equipment things. Sugar in gas tanks also does wonders
mdoktor@reddit
If you post a link to the Landscaping Company I'll also leave a bad review for you?
McDWarner@reddit
Did he have a mugshot? Send it and the background check anonymously to the local newspaper/station and tell them he's the owner of this landscaping company. That sounds like something they would follow up on.
Any_Act_9433@reddit
His criminal record should be public record, just include links in the comments you make. You can also hire a PI to follow his trucks around an then send the properties the truck stops at a printed copy of the court record.
Disorderly_Chaos@reddit
I wonder if he’s allowed to be X feet from a school or playground.
Disorderly_Chaos@reddit
Don’t post using your primary account.
Disorderly_Chaos@reddit
Bulk QR code stickers that give a direct link to the court record document OR if he’s a register sex offender - that page. Make sure the link works and won’t change.
drippygoodgirl@reddit
I’ll gladly help!!! Lmk the info and I’ll start posting a few well worded reviews w two stars, four stars, one stars, every other week from diff accounts and IP addresses. DM me any pertinent info or things you’d like included or not. Happy to help. I was abused when I was younger too, and FUCK THAT SHIT! & I am so sorry you have to hear his voice on the radio now, that must be so triggering :( Maybe only listening to Spotify or Apple Music or something similar would help since there’s no ads if you pay for premium? Feel free to reach out if you ever need to talk also.
Eskyzoo@reddit
Tell the radio station they're putting families in danger by advertising his services, send them a copy of his criminal record.
anynameisfinejeez@reddit
There is nothing you could do that I would consider unethical given the circumstances.
DecadentLife@reddit
Same. (former social worker)
Swimming_Juice_9752@reddit
Contact anywhere he advertises with screen shots of his records
SeattleTrashPanda@reddit
Google keywords advertising.
If he did time there has to be a public record of it somewhere, court transcript, record of the decision, arrest record, etc.
If you have a little bit of money go into google AdWords buy keywords like: “town name landscaping”, business name town.” Make ads that say Landscaping Company owned by pedophile John Smith owner of Landscaping Company sexually abused his children.
And link to the public record you found.
snickrsnak@reddit
Call the radio station live and let them know one of their clients is a sex offender
MaedoFielder@reddit
What about a neighborhood page or group? Nextdoor or the local town/city group on Facebook.
KittyKattKate@reddit
Print flyers and go mailbox to mailbox in his targeted neighborhoods.
IamAWorldChampionAMA@reddit
1.) get doesthisdudescompanyhirepedos.com
2.) Put every single relevant court document on that page.
Another good strategy. If you have court docs go to your local news station. Someone being a pedo is big money for local news. They will also reach out to the radio station and watch how quickly that ad gets pulled.
MET1@reddit
Work on the employees - help them get other jobs. Alternatively work on the customers - help them find other landscapers. Or "help" in the office and re-arrange and de-optimize the existing schedule and wipe some necessary records.
stabbingrabbit@reddit
Follow his crew. Kill the grass after they are done. Figure out which customers he does regularly and stick a piece of rebar in the ground where his mower hits it. Or a rock.
kyriacos74@reddit
That could injure his crew.
stabbingrabbit@reddit
I am sure he has workmans comp.
kyriacos74@reddit
This whole situation started by hurting an innocent person. I don't think it's the right solution.
stabbingrabbit@reddit
Then let the worker know what they are working for.
kyriacos74@reddit
THAT is a good strategy.
Pwincess_Summah@reddit
Fg a week for each year is sick of the injustice system to do to you! I'm sorry! You deserved justice! You still do!
Bright_Plastic2298@reddit
Be careful to protect yourself from being accused of or sued for slander. It’s very hard to prove and it would be crazy for any lawyer to take his case, but on the small chance he tried to exact that type of revenge, be careful. The last thing we want for you is to have to deal with more of his garbage. Good luck OP. We’re all rooting for you.
UnaZephyr@reddit
Contact a lawyer in regards to sueing for emotional damages or getting the commercial taken off air.
The commercial could NOT be considered a form of contact, because it's not targeted at you, its a general audience thing. But if its causing you distress, thats the way to try this. Emotional damage is hard to sue for, because there is not a quantitative measure for emotions (yet).
8888eightyeight@reddit
Find common misspellings of his website buy those domains and put his criminal record on there
8888eightyeight@reddit
You can also print out those QR codes and put them all around town or if he has something Like a sign he puts on the lawns, put the QR code next to his own sign
DependentPriority230@reddit
Just want to say I’m so sorry you had to go through this. I hope you find healing and a better place with people you trust and love.
ThatsHotHeiress@reddit
Leave a 4 star review with no text just the image of his mugshot.
TechinBellevue@reddit
Post picture of home everywhere his clients will likely see saying, "Warning! Convicted child Predator in area"
biancanevenc@reddit
Why not sue him for damages from the abuse? Don't ruin the business - take it from him in damages.
Plethorian@reddit
A landscaping company can be a dangerous workplace. It would be a shame if his workers found out that he's a pedophile. He might be in danger.
To best achieve this, talk to his worker's wives. Talk to at least two, separately.
Old-Examination-573@reddit
Lawsuit!
AffectionateMarch394@reddit
Print off pictures of his charges and tape them around town
Pay for a newspaper spread by any of his advertisement and post it (see if you can do this anon)
Call or contact the radio stations he's running adds and let them know he's a convicted pedophile, and that they might want to know in case it reflects their reputation
Post and tag his company on social media. Do it at like 2 am, so it's up for a WHILE before they notice and take it down.
No-Instruction9709@reddit
Call the radio station during one of their listener call ins. Tell them about it on air.
Imaginary-Angle-42@reddit
Maybe just post the mug shot?
SGlanzberg@reddit
My inbox is open for the name of the company
Wild-Soil3808@reddit
What is the location and name of the landscape business?
SGlanzberg@reddit
I would like to know also
Few-Philosopher-4742@reddit
Feel free to message me…
iMakestuffz@reddit
Inbox open💁♀️
OpheliaCumming@reddit
Post some nice bush sculptures of penises and tits. Claim he does custom landscaping
martiantheory@reddit
Dm me his landscaping business name… I’ll leave horrible reviews
Jonquay84@reddit
Start posting ads for wildly enticing good deals (cars, motorcycles, properties..etc) and use his company contact info for the ads.
zx91zx91@reddit
Put sugar inside his equipment. Or put water in the gas tank. It’ll mess up the carburetors. Put anything inside of anything literally. Grab some cooking oil and drop it inside the oil tank. Get some scissors and cut chokes or gas pumps.
Get a friend to hire him. Make sure your friend’s lawn is high. Then place rocks randomly across the grass. It’ll fuck up the blade.
FlowerPower_MidWest@reddit
If you want to spend some money, set up a website for him about his abusive past and pay for ads to take over his keywords. You can even target everyone in specific zip codes and neighborhoods, get them on YouTube and streaming services, use Meta Ads to plaster his past on FB and IG.
You could probably get it done for about $50 in ad spend and a short period of time.
fastates@reddit
"Always a good idea to do a background check on a man before inviting him to your property."
OP, I'm so sorry, and I know it's worse having to hear his rancid voice over and over. take care
Outrageous_Big_9136@reddit
Feel free to let the great world of reddit know the name of this fabulous business and i guarantee he'll get a bunch of shining reviews on Google and Yelp 😇
Few-Philosopher-4742@reddit
Don’t bombard all at once though. Google and Yelp will flag the reviews. Maybe 1 redditor a week for new reviews
iMakestuffz@reddit
Postcards to any place he does business.
beachbum818@reddit
Google Review 1*
panda_mandaz@reddit (OP)
Did that last night and it still has not updated?
AC031415@reddit
Try it on Yelp.
danman8075@reddit
Don’t higher ratings usually show up higher on the list? If so, leave a four star rating and give a brief description of a good experience and then, at the end say “the only thing holding me back from that fifth star was the fact that he served time for child rape...”😏
RiddyReddit333@reddit
hahaha - diabolical!
Grant_Winner_Extra@reddit
You don’t need to be unethical - just make sure everyone knows he’s a convicted sex offender.
Ethical, AND True.
mokicoo@reddit
Mugshot on a billboard
MsTerious1@reddit
If it was me in your shoes?
I would print out his rap sheet / conviction history or make a list of the court cases that resulted in ANY kinds of convictions.
I would send that list out with a very short letter or as a post card where the design is the list itself. "He served approximately one week in jail for each year that he victimized me. I was not his only victim. Please use caution if you hire HIS NAME or his company THIS COMPANY NAME." (And then because I don't give two hoots about what people think, I'd sign my name, but if you want to avoid recognition just leave it blank. You'll still face some but not as much.)
I would then mail these to as many people as I could afford to send them to. There are mailing services like Every Door Direct in the USA, for example.
It's important to NEVER give an opinion or say anything that could be twisted into a different meaning. It's important to NEVER say anything that could be less than STRICTLY accurate. He might still sue you for defaming him, which you have a defense to, but it would likely get thrown out of court very, very quickly.
soparamens@reddit
You are just destroying yourself by keeping in contact with him.
CuriousExpression876@reddit
Buy a billboard and put his face on it with some choice verbiage about his convictions and business
Scherzkeks@reddit
How is he not already on some kind of list?
kawaiian@reddit
It sounds dangerous for you to do this, bro, I would give it up and let him ruin his own life. Maybe move far away and change your name, send him piss discs in the mail after a while
amanda2399923@reddit
Billboards with his mugshot and crimes listed?
JohnnySchoolman@reddit
Run an radio advert public shaming him for his crimes immediately after his.