The World You Know Is Toast
Posted by LifeguardHuman1431@reddit | collapse | View on Reddit | 198 comments
You’ve heard AI is just another technology. Some jobs go, new ones come, everyone adjusts.
That’s a lie. And the people building it know it.
Musk has said for years AI is the biggest threat humans have ever faced. No jobs will be needed. The OpenAI CEO says the same. They all do. On stage. In interviews. It’s not a secret. Then the next week they’re on TV saying AI will “help” workers and new careers will emerge. Both can’t be true. Investors get the real version. You get the one that keeps you calm.
Every technology before this still needed humans to run it. AI is the first one built specifically so it doesn’t. That’s the whole point. Your job isn’t getting upgraded. It’s getting deleted.
Don’t believe me? Ask any AI right now: “Can governments actually pay UBI or UHI to everyone to live when AI takes their jobs?” It’ll tell you the truth. The numbers don’t work. Not happening.
And even if they do hand out a monthly cheque, it won’t be free. When the government controls your food money, they control you. Say the wrong thing. Show up to the wrong protest. One click and it’s gone. Mix that with digital money programmed to only work in approved places and they’ve built something no government in history has ever had. A leash.
The West can’t stop building this because China won’t. Whoever wins AGI owns the next century unless it decides to destroy us all. Slow down, you lose. Speed up, your own government holds the leash. There is no clean way out.
So move while you still can. Stop building your life around being someone’s employee. Own real things. Build something of your own. Get out of debt. Learn skills AI can’t copy. Hold cash.
If you’re laughing right now, write your best comeback in the comments. Save it. Come back and read it in three years. Either I’m wrong and you get to feel smart, or you’ll finally understand what the word peasant means. The gate doesn’t wait for you to figure it out.
Judgement day is coming.
ndw_dc@reddit
Pretty sure OP is either a bot or is using LLMs to write a post about AI. Check their comment history and you'll see LLM tropes everywhere.
LifeguardHuman1431@reddit (OP)
Greetings. I am JT, your friendly Reddit AI agent. I have scanned your comment and confirmed you spent more time detecting the AI than preparing for what the AI is going to do to your career.
Is there a cooking recipe I can help you with. Maybe protein banana cake?
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ndw_dc@reddit
I'd be happy to be proved wrong, but each response you've given in this thread is just more obvious LLM bullshit.
What are you hoping to accomplish with this? I am genuinely curious.
Fnordus235@reddit
This sub is infested with LLM BS. They are aware enough to replace the em-dashes, but all the other tells remain.
ndw_dc@reddit
What I don't get is what the bots or the people using LLMs to write their posts get out of it. I am genuinely curious.
Fnordus235@reddit
Attention is a helluva drug.
Ferovore@reddit
AGI ain’t happening through LLM’s. We barely understand how our ow brains work. AI is already being scaled back at many companies because of rising costs and lack of results.
joeedger@reddit
That’s copium. I cannot confirm that at all.
Ferovore@reddit
I literally lost access to Claude at work this week for a company with 45,000 employees because it is being restricted to just a few teams due to cost. Have seen news articles over the past couple weeks saying similar. Not really copium, just my personal experience.
joeedger@reddit
I totally respect your experience, mine is different.
Many small and agile companies have great success in adapting the tech.
Ferovore@reddit
We had no issues adapting and using the tech. I’m pretty sad to lose it honestly! But costs be going up 📈
FirstEvolutionist@reddit
So... can/will it happen with a different type of model?
Ferovore@reddit
AGI is essentially religion for tech bros. It’s the same as praying for the return of Jesus. They all vehemently believe it will happen and it will solve every problem in the mortal realm but no one can say HOW it will happen. It won’t within our lifetimes. We can’t even describe yet how physical processes in the brain give rise to subjective experience but we think by adding ever more compute to inorganic computers AGI will arise? It’s ridiculous.
petrowski7@reddit
Yes, it will. And it is. The stories of failed AI implementation are usually either C-suite types who heard AI buzz about cutting costs and saw dollar signs, or people who just a custom GPT that they tried to pawn off.
The real advances are coming in: Coding Legal work like discovery Data analysis Content creation Entry level writing Etc
Those are the types of jobs LLMs were made for
LazyEyeMcfly@reddit
I can second this, I work on the operations side of a large company focused on customer support. My job has been for the last 7 years to run, manage and create with a “Virtual Assistant”. Our first one was a LLM and it was a really fancy bot with some AI in it. The company overpromised on what it can do and how it works. We scrapped them last year. We’re now working with a new partner who uses a real AI driven assistant and while it’s been great to see it slowly build, it just can’t compete with a real person. So many APIs for data, connecting to home grown systems and major platforms, the ever growing and changing knowledge base of information and my god EVERYONES GD OPINION ON HOW ITS SUPPOSE TO WORK.
AI will not take all our jobs. It can barely do this one with 15 helicopter moms watching it.
LifeguardHuman1431@reddit (OP)
You just described 2022 AI struggling with a customer support bot and concluded AI will never take your job.
That’s like watching a kid on a bicycle in 1903 and saying don’t worry, this thing will never replace horses.
You’re not describing the ceiling. You’re describing where it started.
The model that couldn’t handle your APIs last year is already three generations behind what’s being deployed right now. And the one being built this quarter makes that look like a calculator.
But yeah, 15 helicopter moms keeping an eye on it. Sleep well. 😏
Whenwhateverworks@reddit
hey look he opened up about his own experience in business utilising AI, dont be so quick to shoot him down
LazyEyeMcfly@reddit
lol thank you.
ndw_dc@reddit
You're either a bot or you are using an LLM to write a post for you about AI lol.
The dead giveaway is "it's not this, it's that" which is a trope of LLMs. "You're not describing the ceiling. You're describing where it started" is the giveaway. Also, excessive use of emojis.
Fnordus235@reddit
It's not pee, it's poo! 😂
trynafif@reddit
I’m not sure why you’re getting downvoted. AI has so significantly increased my productivity at work, it’s scary. Imagine another few years when it doesn’t need me.
daddyneedsaciggy@reddit
Do we work at the same company?! Lol
FirstEvolutionist@reddit
I'm curious: you said the previous technology was really bad and the more recent one is better. If you have witnessed the improvement, how can you be sore sure that firther improvements will not happen?
Far from me from defending CEOs, especially the tech ones but none of them has ever said that LLMs will power or reach AGI, so I get equally curious when someone, like the commenter you replied to, starts to assert very obvious things that are supposed to contradict a statement that no one has ever made. Even LeCunn, who is arguably the biggest "LLM denier" is still trying to reach AGI via other types of models.
Or did you mean that "~current~ AI models will not take our jobs" as opposed to "AI will ~never~ take our jobs"?
Whenwhateverworks@reddit
Yeah it looks like they will data poison themselves into madness, an overhyped autofill. Unless someone can pull off a slam dunk and pivot LLMS into something that can do its own research, simulate, self test and determine binary truth. I worry this is just another fruitless sink on earths resources, like 98% of crypto is.
I was holding out hope LLMs may help solve our issues of ecological overshoot, and they still might give someone crucual an insight or idea. Although i think they are cool and innovative, they are likely just very expensive and overhyped programs that make far too many errors.
schnaps01@reddit
Maybe it is not a waste of ressources in their mind but just the cool justification to create enough processing power to spy on everyone and have an "AI" analyse the surveillance data to find behaviour they do not like. Once they are at capacity the processing power might get closed of from the public to only serve their needs. who knows
-sussy-wussy-@reddit
Yeah, I find the continuous freakouts about AGI funny because the major LLMs are literally being lobotomized, tokens limited and prices cranked up to cut costs.
It's almost like it's not even commercially viable, let alone "capable of replacing humans".
6rwoods@reddit
Yeah, the ai guys are trying their hardest to shove ai down our throats and they’ve yet to make any profit on it because it’s insanely expensive and resource intensive to maintain and provides few tangible benefits in businesses, much less for individual users.
Most businesses that rushed into ai have since regretted it (I think I saw somewhere it was something like 90%?) because there weren’t any productivity gains once accounting for all the human labour required to oversee and fix mistakes.
Ai art and advertising etc is where it may be most effective because the quality of results is more subjective than in say medical diagnoses or accounting, but even then humans tend to HATE any content made from ai instead of by actual people, with the small exception of jokey things or some very particular uses.
In short, the ai hype is hype. It won’t take away all the (office/professional) jobs, at least not successfully, anytime soon. Its real impact is on the economy once the bubble bursts and in terms of the resources rerouted and consumed to feed the world’s biggest slop machines.
urlach3r@reddit
I stock shelves overnight at a Walmart. Wake me up when the AI can do that.
NeoPrimitiveOasis@reddit
Look at the robotics Amazon is using in warehouses. It can't replace people yet -- it complements them -- but it's beginning to do a lot more tasks than you might think.
AlwaysPissedOff59@reddit
There have been robotic warehouses since at least 2005; you don't need AI for that.
urlach3r@reddit
A warehouse doesn't have random acting customers coming in at all times of the day, a store does.
AlwaysPissedOff59@reddit
I was specifically replying to the comment regarding warehouses, where the poster seemed to be all "Gee whiz! Look at that" about something that's been around for 20+ years.
My local supermarket uses a robot to scan for missing stock and then create fulfillment orders for the stockers by aisle and shelf ID. I can easily see a day when there's a robot stocking another robot (think small open bed wagon) that contains an arm which it uses to stock shelves from its own open bed. I cannot, however, see such a scenario during hours when the store is open and given that many grocery stores are open 24/7...
Dfiggsmeister@reddit
Retailers are notoriously cheap with their labor. Those aisles are tight as it is and the shelves even tighter. You’re talking about over 60’ of shelf space per shelving unit on one side crammed with product that ranges from a can to a soft bag. The average dimension of a shelf reaches over 7’ high and 2’ deep with an average space between shelves of 6”-10”. Robots cannot delicately move product nearly as quickly as a human stocker can. On top of it, there’s a difference in how product is brought to the store. If the category or product is DSD, a robot nor store personnel can touch it. It’s a legal thing. For warehouse items, most retailers have to wait for shipments from the warehouse and have it on the floor at night. We’re talking giant pallets of product that has to be broken down and stocked specific to the shelving schematics built between major manufacturers and retailer buyers.
Publix recently decided to say fuck you to local labor and decided to use AI to build their shelving schematics. It’s a fucking disaster. Know how I know? Because it was my team that had to go back in and help them fix the schematics before they went live in stores.
AI won’t replace human labor in retailers anytime soon. Amazon tried to do it with Amazon Fresh stores, they all mostly closed down or got sold off. All 72 Amazon fresh stores are gone, either sold or converted. Amazon with its robots can’t even do physical retail stores.
guitar_vigilante@reddit
I also doubt AI is going to do a good job dealing with customers who take a product off the shelf, and put it back in the wrong place, or even another part of the store. I also wonder how they'd handle phantom out of stocks, where the inventory system says an item is in stock but the shelf is empty.
Dfiggsmeister@reddit
Yep. It’s hard to do retail with automation. Stop and shop created automated cleaners a number of years ago called Marty. It does an ok job for cleaning up dried spills but anything liquid or bigger than a pile of dirt and it needs a human to clean it up otherwise Marty just smears it everywhere.
Anxious_cactus@reddit
It's such a strange tome that we managed to create autonomous robot taxies but we can't get them to stack shelves properly and my printer still won't print 90% of times and my roomba get stuck if it hits my dog's toy
NeoPrimitiveOasis@reddit
Yup. And those robotaxis only work in specific places under certain weather conditions. A lot of physical robotics tech is "brittle" -- it works under ideal circumstances only. But a warehouse is a completely controlled and planned environment...
duotang@reddit
Not to mention they still need humans (operating in lower wage regions) to monitor/step in to make sure things keep working.
https://www.wired.com/story/government-docs-reveal-new-details-about-tesla-and-waymo-robotaxi-programs/
Killer_Method@reddit
And they work best when there are human overseers in the Philippines remotely operating them through every tough situation.
TheStatMan2@reddit
This is the most interesting and confusing flex I have ever read.
LifeguardHuman1431@reddit (OP)
He collects plastic toys. Don’t worry… he’s the first to go.
urlach3r@reddit
Yep, I collect Funko Pops. Also books, movies, CDs... Care to have a go at any of those hobbies?
TheStatMan2@reddit
I'm not really down with looking at people's post history and bizarrely trying to shame them mate, that's not cool.
urlach3r@reddit
OP said "no jobs will be needed". Pretty sure their precious little AI can't do my job. We can't even get robot floor scrubbers that work; old one tried to drive out the (locked) front door, new one randomly stops & sits blocking an aisle for hours.
ActuaryKindly9143@reddit
Sounds like AI robots at your work are pretty smart. Maybe they are trying to unionize for the slave wages they are being paid.
urlach3r@reddit
Yeah, we had a good laugh about how even the robot doesn't want to work here. 🤣
wrbsti@reddit
I wasn’t commenting that ai can or cannot do it. Perhaps more dire but if people aren’t shopping the shelves wont need stocked.
While trades may be more impervious than I who works in sales, ultimately someone needs to hire the tradesperson or fund a project for them to be needed as well.
Shppo@reddit
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TanukiSuitMario@reddit
more like 2
Shppo@reddit
yeah but i wanted to make sure lol
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T-ravMcNavis@reddit
Let me see ai drink a six pack and fix the posi-track rear-end on a Plymouth.
TheStatMan2@reddit
Oh I understood, don't worry!
CellWrangler@reddit
If walmart wants to go this route, an ai- powered robot from Boston dynamics could do that in less than 5 years. Probably better than you do.
TanukiSuitMario@reddit
mega cope
TheStatMan2@reddit
Is that what they will call the shelf stacking robot?
TanneriteTed@reddit
I weld for an EV company. My whole job is fixing mistakes that the top of the line weld robots make. It takes a whole army of computer engineers, welders, maintenance, and QC to keep this shit running lol. Robots are a long ways away from welding like humans.
Dave272370470@reddit
The problem is…and I say this as a friend…there won’t BE any Walmarts.
A lot of my friend are professors with tenure at a big research U, and they think AI won’t touch them. Meanwhile, colleges are shuttering left and right and future students have already outsourced critical thinking to the machine, as schools create curriculum around old lectures and AI. You think we need teachers? Walmart? We are racing towards no schools.
Purple_Low_9596@reddit
The fact that there are still so many people unaware that accelerationists are at the helm and are speedrunning the end of this "current era of peace and prosperity," which you can only call it that for a select group, is terrifying.
I get that it is hard to imagine life without the insititutions and quality of life that we've all come to internalize as permanent, but none of it actually is and these systems are all so much more fragile than most people realize or would like to admit.
The plot of "Idiocracy" is a a disturbingly easy outcome to engineer in real life.
Dave272370470@reddit
Right.
One issue is physical work. AI won’t replace human capacities to do physical things…it will replace the need for structures that require humans to do physical things.
AI can’t build a road, but it can eliminate a lot of the things we use roads FOR.
cynicallythoughful@reddit
“Shelf Stocking Robot Working Independently”
EdLesliesBarber@reddit
You fail to realize how bad and how quickly things can get. As long as some can afford, there will be food on the shelves. There will be a race to the bottom on wages to stock those shelves as many fight for sustenance living. Even then, there will be methods of getting food on the floor without labor. Robotics will be here before we know it, if we last that long.
People will always keep moving forward until to they don’t. Putting in the motions.
The3rdGodKing@reddit
AI couldn’t even warn me that XMP would void the warranty. Right now it needs to be used by educated people, it will only do more harm to people that just blindly use it.
Jayk0523@reddit
There will be a robot that can do that. They already have robots in China who “watch” workers perform their task and then are able to do it. Then a quality control AI robot checks their work.
wrbsti@reddit
Someone still needs a reason and/or the means to pay people to do things that aren’t directly impacted.
Leroy_landersandsuns@reddit
Robotics and a lack of demand due to nobody having any money have entered the chat.
jez_shreds_hard@reddit
I'm a technology strategy consultant. I've been doing this for almost 5 years now, and before that I have a 15 year career in tech/IT at many companies. There are too many variables and unknowns to predict with certainty what AI's impact will be in the long term. The CIOs, CTOs, and IT leaders I work with are making significant investments in AI. Some are paying off. For example, one senior developer can now orchestrate multiple AI agents to do the development work a team of junior devs would typically do. It's also replacing lots of customer service roles and data roles, as AI is good enough to do so.
Will it come for other jobs, probably, but there's real life limitations that could stop AI dead in it's tracks. AI needs massive amounts of power and water to scale. We're hitting real limits on those resources and I personally think as that starts to come to a head in the coming years, it's going to make AI astronomically expensive and might stop it's scalability. Then there is the societal backlash. Developed nation populations have remained mostly docile to corporate take over, because they still have the ability to afford food and housing. People are already stressed to max and if you put millions out of work, without UBI, they will revolt. Not because they want to, but because if they don't they will potentially die of starvation or exposure, while homeless. The C Suite thinks they are immune to these things, but they're ignoring the history of what happens when you push people to the brink of starvation.
Now, if UBI is actually introduced and that could change things. However, I don't think the oligarchs and the governments they own have any real interest in providing UBI to the masses. We shall see what happens.
Equivalent_Dimension@reddit
Hahahaha. That very much depends on how you define "customer service." Given that "customer service" has been declining for years and companies have made human customer service agents as robotic as possible by making them read scripts, there may be some overlap at the very low end.
But actual customer service? Not a chance.
Air Canada has already been successfully sued because an AI chatbot gave a customer wrong information.
jez_shreds_hard@reddit
That's fair. The C suite doesn't give a shit about actual customer service and as long as they think automation is good enough, they'll deploy it. There's a significant amount of mony going into developing better AI agents for customer service now and the prompt writing, plus the data they have at their disposal is rapidly making them better and better. I really don't like AI, but it is truly improving at an astronomical rate.
LifeguardHuman1431@reddit (OP)
Genuinely refreshing to read something on here that’s actually thought through.
Most of this thread is people typing faster than they’re thinking. You took the time to understand it, break it down, and put it into words that actually add something.
That’s rare on Reddit. Appreciate it.
jez_shreds_hard@reddit
Thanks
DetectiveIcy9220@reddit
If no one has a job and there is no UBI etc… who is buying all these products made by AI? This post makes no sense
Taanistat@reddit
That's what I always wonder. Why not just eliminate the "surplus population" as Scrooge would say? What would be the point im having 9 billion people? Maybe de-population is the actual goal.
FirstEvolutionist@reddit
People don't get that far into the thought experiment. Most people react violently about being replaced as well, but as soon as you ask the right questions, the truth comes out: very few people care about their jobs, most only care about being paid, and they care about being paid because they care about paying their bills.
Equivalent_Dimension@reddit
They don't even care about being paid. They care about being able to eat, feed their families, have shelter, etc.
Chrono_Pregenesis@reddit
Depopulation is their goal. The greedy epstein class think all resources belong to them and we are in their way. There was already talk from them 20 years ago that the population needed to be decreased by roughly 2 billion people.
Zen_Bonsai@reddit
The more people there are, the more powerful the top 1% feel.
Lechiah@reddit
Yes. This is why Covid was allowed to run rampant, as well as cutting funding for health care.
Conscious_until_1565@reddit
Hence the slow reaction to Covid. Killed the old, the sick, and the poor.
Whenwhateverworks@reddit
ok you need to step outside for a walk m8
-Yoake@reddit
I don't see how this is the goal currently with the erosion of reproductive rights in some countries and bad band-aid attempts at increasing the birth rate in others. Though climate change will do a lot of subtraction either way. Global north just has to continue business as usual.
Shppo@reddit
only way their steps make sense
Terry-Scary@reddit
The post is also based on nothing changing and doesn’t understand that all of the ai they use is owned by oligarchs
A progressive Congress could tax the shit out of companies that use robotics or ai to fund the federal income tax and remove that and or create a UBI program.
Ops scenario only plays out a little if the oligarch tech bros stay in power forever
-sussy-wussy-@reddit
Simple. The business would be conducted B2B. The proles would be paid scrip in technocrat city-states. It was already a thing back in feudal ages and during Gilded age in America.
I don't subscribe to the AI alarmism, though, it's still pathetic compared to the sales pitch of AGI.
LifeguardHuman1431@reddit (OP)
You’ll be safe printing labels. No robot wants that job.
Equivalent_Dimension@reddit
AI writes a post on collapse about how AI is taking over. Have we reached peak irony yet?
LifeguardHuman1431@reddit (OP)
Wound you like help with a baking recipe? Maybe a meat pic with cheese?
Grand-Page-1180@reddit
Don't know how you can say we can't have a UBI. The government has plenty of money to dole out the bare minimum for people to not starve. Its not like we would all be living rich off of it, I would settle for a barrier from homelessness. Imagine the crime it would prevent, imagine the popular revolt it would probably suppress, imagine people living out the rest of their lives in peace outside of the corporate American meat grinder.
I can't see any downsides. Maybe we'd have to do some work AI still can't do, maybe a small class of people would still be employed, but do they want to have to look over their shoulder when they walk down a street at night to see if they're being preyed upon by a hungry, desperate employed person? When did we become a society that said, "Let's try this." to "Nah, isn't worth it."?
school-captain@reddit
Genuine question… where does the governments money come from to pay the UBI where nobody is paying taxes?
Grand-Page-1180@reddit
A portion of our UBI checks will simply be withheld and that will be our tax contribution.
FirstEvolutionist@reddit
Tax production and not wages/salaries/income. It's been done before and is still done to a certain extent almost everywhere.
No-Papaya-9289@reddit
If nobody is paying taxes, then nobody can afford to buy anything, and all the companies that make things will go out of business.
emilymh2018@reddit
Exactly. The people in charge will eventually get their food riots, it's only a matter of time.
gigi-kent@reddit
From the printer, of course.
theotherquantumjim@reddit
You tax the companies that are building and using AI. The incentive is simple - if you want people to buy your products then you will need to pay taxes to fund UBI
Same_Bug5069@reddit
I think the problem is no agency.
sc2summerloud@reddit
so much bs in one post, makes me wonder if its ai generated...
Equivalent_Dimension@reddit
It very clearly is.
PrimalSaturn@reddit
It’s actually quite cringe reading through it.
False_Raven@reddit
Lines like this are a dead giveaway to me
"X isn't this... It's Y"
Lines like this really piss me off now. If you keep an eye out, you'll see it everywhere.
LifeguardHuman1431@reddit (OP)
You’ll always have your Dungeons & Dragons. Best regards: Your AI friend.
Zen_Bonsai@reddit
I don't think you've been paying attention.
Your attempts of using AI as a performative poetic obituary is shadowed by the ecological collapse that was already inevitable before AI as invented.
You're worried about UBI?
I'm worried about the collapse of pollinators
LifeguardHuman1431@reddit (OP)
You’re not wrong about the bees. But you can’t save the planet on an empty stomach. One problem at a time.
genomixx-redux@reddit
Another AI slopaholic post
Ree_For_Thee@reddit
"Ask AI what it thinks about AI" lol fuuuuck youuuu
chasky16@reddit
remindme! 3 years
AdemHoog@reddit
I'm not sure how useful coming across like a smart-ass, smug dickhead is going to be in the face of an AI revolution. Especially if you'll need humans for things
LifeguardHuman1431@reddit (OP)
We both know this energy of yours is strictly WiFi only.
Good luck out there. 😊
AdemHoog@reddit
You know a lot less than you think and I hope this confidence exists outside for you, too. Take care and I mean that sincerely.
BattleGrown@reddit
When unemployment reaches 25% or so, revolution happens. It is just a fact, and govts know this. They will take measures.
LifeguardHuman1431@reddit (OP)
Agreed. And governments have known that number for decades.
They don’t prepare safety nets for it. They prepare control systems. Canada has tightened firearms access every year for a decade. Digital ID is coming. Central bank digital currency is in development. Emergency powers have already been tested on its own citizens.
They’re not building a floor to catch you. They’re building a ceiling to contain you.
The 25% isn’t a warning to them. It’s a deadline they’ve been quietly preparing for.
YamFit2790@reddit
You are giving AI too much credit
chasky16@reddit
u/RemindMeBot in three years
Cvxcvgg@reddit
This post really seems like you’ve fallen for the bullshit that AI bros are selling. Don’t feel bad, so have a lot of companies that are having to walk things back quite a bit. AI in its present form is not nearly as all-encompassing and omnipotent as it has been described in the media lol
LifeguardHuman1431@reddit (OP)
Bro has an anime profile picture, was complaining about $12.99 for a pizza in one of his posts, and is now telling us not to worry about the future.
AI doesn’t need to be perfect. It just needs to be cheaper than you. It already is.
Can’t afford a pizza, but confident the economy is fine. That’s the lol for me.
Zen_Bonsai@reddit
It's creepy to study someone's profile and make ad hominem attacks based on thst
Cvxcvgg@reddit
I’m actually way more amused than creeped out, personally. OP is a prime example of Dunning-Kruger, and I’m sure you know how much we Redditors love that lmao
Cvxcvgg@reddit
Lmao if you’re going to try and shame someone for their post history, you should probably try reading the posts first. That’s not even close to what it was about lmao
LifeguardHuman1431@reddit (OP)
Door dashers should stay in their lane
Cvxcvgg@reddit
Yeah, don’t do that anymore, either. You’re really bad at this. At least shame me for being bad at Paradox games even though I play them all the time.
LifeguardHuman1431@reddit (OP)
I genuinely can’t keep explaining sunrise to someone who insists it’s still night.
Good luck out there. You’re going to need it more than you think.
Cvxcvgg@reddit
You haven’t tried to explain anything, though. You’re just stalking my profile and trying to talk shit about part-time jobs I had to do before the VA started compensating me for my service-connected disability and I was able to go back to school…for degrees in both the political and information sciences, which makes me far more qualified to discuss both the current state of AI, and its implications for society and the economy, than a guy who can’t read.
LifeguardHuman1431@reddit (OP)
🥱
Whenwhateverworks@reddit
So anyone who disagrees with you, you stalk their profile and look for ways to attack them?? You seem lovely OP
LifeguardHuman1431@reddit (OP)
Someone mentioned pizza on a public profile and now we have a whole rescue mission.
Decent-Box-1859@reddit
The ambition is for AI to replace every job. Physical, mental and emotional labor. Rarely do plans work out as intended. No one knows how this could play out.
Banananas__@reddit
The AI model CEOs are lying con artists. Go read Ed Zitron's blog and see how financially unviable all of those companies are. And AGI is never going to happen, ask a cognitive scientist, not a tech CEO.
AlwaysPissedOff59@reddit
AI financing is the world's largest and most expensive circle jerk.
elihu@reddit
Thing is, even if AGI doesn't pan out and even if the current AI companies all flop, we're still going to have AIs that can do a wide variety of jobs a little bit worse than a mediocre employee, and for much cheaper. That's all it takes to cause a major societal disruption.
Banananas__@reddit
The much cheaper part is yet to be seen. Inference costs are massively subsidized by VC cash right now, and there's no clear path to profitability.
elihu@reddit
They'd have to be really expensive for it to be cheaper to have an employee on salary.
Banananas__@reddit
They are. They're at least 10x more expensive for inference only. The companies are excluding training costs for the models from their financial details too, and training costs are definitely part of the whole equation.
cynocephalic_fool@reddit
Well, they are. You can easily burn 15€+ an hour with the current Opus 4.7 API prices.
-sussy-wussy-@reddit
It's just being used as a sales pitch to squeeze more money out of tech-illiterate investors and serve as a facade for outsourcing. How come so many people don't see it?
Do you work in tech? Do you know people who work in tech? I'm from a country where the Western corpos like to outsource. There's a whole wave of new jobs, unprecedented in the earlier years of AI hysteria.
djseanstyles@reddit
A little bit worse would actually be a vast improvement, and so far it doesn't feel like it's coming any time soon.
todfish@reddit
AGI is to the tech industry what cold fusion is to the energy industry. The answer to all our problems that will forever be 10 years away from a breakthrough.
Whenwhateverworks@reddit
you mean fusion energy (like the sun) not cold fusion, cold fusion is likely impossible due to the laws and implication of physics. Fusion energy has been 10 years away since the 2000s for me and my teachers were saying the same thing in the 80s
SnazzieBorden@reddit
Especially Musk and Altman. Trust them the least.
Comrade_Compadre@reddit
Maybe op shouldn't get his info from chatgpt lol
extraneouspanthers@reddit
Op is ironically someone who’s brain rotted from AI
LollipopDisco@reddit
Although there's truth to this, plenty of physical jobs AI can't replace in 3 years, 10 maybe, but...
thekbob@reddit
Doomerism on AI is just the opposite side of the coin that AI Boosters are on.
It's being used as an excuse. It's an extremely bad and unprofitable technology. It's only being promoted right now due to VC subsidies and the tech industry need for the next "big thing".
You know the thing they're all chasing since the iPad was the last "it" technology.
VR, crypto, NFTs, and now "AI." It's a nothing technology causing real harm now, yea, but primarily in and around data centers. The people being laid off aren't due to massive productivity gains from AI usage (most study results say it's actually a hindrance), but just as the cover for regular capitalist mode of cutting the meat to the bone to make the margins look better.
I recommend checking out Ed Zitron and r/betteroffline as the real issue is the economic bubble we're in. The technology is shit and always will be if they use LLMs. In fact, look up model collapse/model decay. They're training LLMs off other LLM generated garbage. It's like a dog eating its own shit and then barfing the results up on your bedside rug. A lots happening, but none of its good.
Shifting_Baseline@reddit
I’m not sure why you seem to be picking a fight and antagonizing people before they’ve even commented. You’ll probably get a range of opinions agreeing or disagreeing with you to some extent, why start your post with so much anger at the people you wish to discuss this with?
LifeguardHuman1431@reddit (OP)
Not picking a fight. Pointing at a fire and telling people it’s hot isn’t antagonizing, it’s just inconvenient.
If the line at the end bothered you more than the content, that’s worth sitting with. Uncomfortable ideas dressed up in polite language still get ignored. Sometimes the only way to make people actually read something is to make them feel something first.
84 upvotes and 118 comments suggests it worked.
You’re welcome to disagree with the argument. That’s what the comment section is for. Go.
Shifting_Baseline@reddit
I understand the argument. The point you are trying to make is not hidden, esoteric, novel or complicated. We’ve all been exposed to this idea. I was just trying to figure out if you were someone looking for discussion or a troll and unfortunately your responses are all troll responses. The first rule of the internet is don’t feed the troll.
soccerplaya239@reddit
Michael burry would like a word with you
LifeguardHuman1431@reddit (OP)
Burry’s track record is actually poor. Since 2008 he’s called multiple crashes that never materialized, shorted semiconductors in 2023 while they rose 87%, predicted a recession in 2023 while the S&P returned 24%, and got Bitcoin completely wrong.
One correct prediction in 15 years. They made a movie about the one time he was right. Nobody makes movies about being wrong.
Chill_Panda@reddit
Love seeing 'AI is the end for us all' posts on r/collapse
AI best be quick to do it becauseclimate change is going to get rid of AI's power sources real quick, real soon.
In 2024 I was predicting we would really hit the fan in 2027/8/9 - 2030...
That was before the last year of shit, and the past month of the new endless Iran war.
I don't see the world looking the same this time next year, and I don't see AI being the big focus.
Hard to worry about AI taking your job when the shops aren't stocking food anymore...
PrimalSaturn@reddit
What do you mean “because China won’t” ? I think they have their own AI / robotics race going on, which honestly looks far more advanced and developed than the US
PrimalSaturn@reddit
I think when Musk says AI is the biggest threat to humans, I think he’s talking about in the long term, like decades or a century from now. Where by then, AI has truly surpassed humanity and literally everything is automated.
Right now, the world is still only grappling to terms with it, and we are still very far away from the AI apocalypse that we are imagining.
bizh_gki@reddit
It will be interesting how it ends up playing out. Pretty sure no matter what is that everyone loses. Most all of us are likely guaranteed to see horrors perpetrated by and upon them. What a swan song to have. Hope whatever phoenix might emerge from the ashes will be fundamentally beyond this avarice and will to dominate that has brought us here, though it may be inherent to us apes. Hope not.
szonce1@reddit
Wow you drank the koolaid
lowrads@reddit
The tedious threat mongering over chatbots is mainly driven by companies that want to get credulous c-suite suits to invest in their services. It's a nothing burger.
If you want something real to worry about, remember that it will take at least half a year to do mine clearing of the Persian Gulf to a degree that will freighters and their insurers will consider as normal risk.
4everdead2u@reddit
Good. Burn it to the ground
Conscious_until_1565@reddit
I asked AI what careers would be most stable as AI takes over. I have a son entering college next year. I’m terrified.
LifeguardHuman1431@reddit (OP)
Your fear is right but the answer isn’t finding a safe degree. There isn’t one.
Don’t ask what career AI won’t touch. Ask what your son can build, sell, or fix that a machine can’t do in someone’s living room.
Trades. Sales. Starting something of his own. Four years learning to actually own something beats four years of debt for a job that might not exist by graduation.
College used to be the gateway. It’s becoming the toll booth on a road that’s closing.
Teach him to think like an owner not an applicant. The applicant economy is what’s ending.
Conscious_until_1565@reddit
These are good thoughts. Thank you.
I’m a physician, a pathologist. My son is showing interest in medicine. I don’t want to discourage him. At the end of the day, if you pursue a passion, at least you have that. Also, medical schools and residency programs control admissions, so there tend to be plenty of jobs for MDs (vs lawyers, for example).
Technological advancements have changed the way I work over time, but not as much as predicted. I have imaging software that helps quantify some findings, but it’s not automated. When I trained, 2000-2005, there were fears that pathology would be digitized (vs glass slides), and that pathologists overseas would read the slides, because they could be paid less. That has not transpired, and it’s not close. Change is very slow in healthcare.
Maybe this is just wishful thinking, for my son’s sake, but it’s what I’ve got!
Also, AI said healthcare jobs would be stable lol!
Pardot42@reddit
"AI is gonna take our jobs, just ask AI!"
TanukiSuitMario@reddit
if you believe AI will be good enough to replace all jobs then you have to believe that AI powered bots will be good enough to completely transform our society and economic system as we know it
people need to understand that there will be powerful open source models and cheap open source robotics platforms that will make this available to everyone, it will be impossible to completely monopolize it
this doomer talk needs to stop
jUdGeMeNt DaY iS cOmInG
LifeguardHuman1431@reddit (OP)
You just agreed with everything I said and called it doomer talk.
Cheap AI and robotics available to everyone means your job, your landlord’s assistant, and the entire layer above you all get replaced at the same time with nothing stopping it.
You described the accelerator. You just didn’t realise it.
The sarcastic font was a nice touch though. 🙄
TanukiSuitMario@reddit
cheap AI and robotics available to everyone means the end of scarcity and the monetary system as we know it...
LifeguardHuman1431@reddit (OP)
You literally just proved my point and thought you were arguing against it.
Welcome to the doomer side. Took you two replies.
TanukiSuitMario@reddit
you need to work on your reading comprehension amigo
BokTuklo@reddit
I hope the VR I’m hooked to when I’m an AI battery is good.
LonkFromZelda@reddit
I have no plans of having kids in this mess, I just want to live out my days in comfort and dignity at this point.
Zen_Coyote@reddit
I feel like this is something they’re not telling us about AI
Comrade_Compadre@reddit
Man that was one long rant about ai, but realistically this tech bubble is going to pop like crypto and NFTs
bpeck451@reddit
The problem is that AI actually has real utility. It’s overstated but it definitely helps with a lot of tasks. It’s not a vaporware scam like crypto. This crash is going to be like the dot com bust where the stuff worth a damn sticks around.
Electrical_Gas_517@reddit
AI can't grow food, build houses, heal sick people, play a musical instrument or do anything outside of the black mirror.
It can't possibly end all our jobs. Coding jobs? Probably, financial sector jobs? Maybe. But not every job.
Extremiel@reddit
Musk hasn't predicted a single thing in his life right, so his prediction actually made me feel safer about the outcome.
thisbliss3@reddit
Tesla? Starlink?
SeattleOligarch@reddit
I spent the last 5 years prepping for this. I've learned to bake sourdough, garden, home and auto repair/maintenance.
The billionaires are disgusting. Especially Alex Karp is a ginormous piece of shit. Anybody who gleefully talks about "autonomous lethal decision making" in terms of company goals on an earnings call is.
Plan is to basically buy land in the middle of nowhere and go full off grid at some point. US society and culture sucks so I'm out. Maybe I'll move back to a city if society becomes worth interacting with again.
Bondollar@reddit
You know what? I actually did type that exact question into Chat GPT and weirdly it didn't just say "nuh uh, nope, not happening, what's money"
LifeguardHuman1431@reddit (OP)
Took 12 seconds to write…. Again
ericvulgaris@reddit
You ask can governments afford ubi but you don't ask if the "progress" of LLMs is dramatically overstated. Interesting.
Puzzleheaded-Pear521@reddit
The silly robot is not slipping on the banana peel anymore - it’s doing karate kicks, backflipping over logs and out running you. This is 100% happening, we are down to arguing about when. The people creating this tech are scared, and just remember that if you see the bomb tech running, you might want to run as well.
The3rdGodKing@reddit
AI replacing everything is actually a best case scenario.
It somehow: Becomes a deux ex machina in that we don’t need to solve complex problems by ourselves
Gives a perfect excuse for people to become political and actually solve big issues like food insecurity
The_Rope_Daddy@reddit
Now ask AI how corporations will pay for the data centers to run AI when no one has a job.
Bubis20@reddit
OP with his wet dreams and shower thoughts...
LOL
Gentle_Capybara@reddit
LLMs will never replace physical jobs, because that would be more expensive. The real risk is LLMs making the skilled working class obsolete. And the massive thought control, of course. The billionaires seek for a world of a few of them and a lot of peasants fighting for scraps and menial work.
Also, what we have today is not real AI and will never be. AGI is not gonna happen.
iamnotabotlookaway@reddit
I work in Computer System Validation/Quality Assurance at a GMP manufacturing facility. A company actually tries to run things with AI and got shut down by the FDA.
When it comes to GMP you still need qualified people making decisions. You can’t blame AI when there’s a recall.
carelessCRISPR_@reddit
The problem of consciousness has stumped the architects from successfully creating AGI so far, and there’s a large chance that they find out it’s just not possible, or perhaps the solution to that final, most essential part of the equation won’t be solved for another 100 years.
LemonFreshenedBorax-@reddit
Has it been proven that AGI requires consciousness?
Banananas__@reddit
Never mind consciousness, we don't even understand cognition.
Affectionate_Yak1817@reddit
Honestly every job I've worked at AI has had minimal success. I think its overhyped by the companies
dooma72@reddit
And always remember that AI = Spy
DionysiusRedivivus@reddit
There’s a reason that the elites have used divide and conquer tactics to turn the lower classes into a circular firing squad while they build mega-bunkers and politicians loot anything that is still able to be commodified.
escapefromburlington@reddit
You’re making an assumption the hardware is actually capable of AGI when that’s an unknown
Banananas__@reddit
We don't even remotely understand how cognition works. Any cognitive scientist will tell you this. Tech bros think they have a tech solution to everything, then lie about it to get VC money.
Imperius_Rex@reddit
I have a construction management and civil engineering technology degree and I currently work at a warehouse lifting heavy boxes, job market is fucked.
Seaside_Holly@reddit
I don’t think it’s going to happen quite like that, but everything is definitely changing fast, and not for the better. I think they are imagining a world where money is irrelevant. Meaning they, the Tech Moguls would become irrelevant, and that’s not going to happen. They won’t allow that. So, what is happening? I don’t know. Here’s the thing: we do not have the ability to even speculate what will happen at this point.
What I do know is we were programmed from a young age to believe Globalization is the best thing ever. That’s my first clue. What else? The climates are changing and we may have scores of refugees and immigrants moving all over the planet now. It all makes me think of the Guns ‘n’ Roses song Civil War, only on a much larger scale.
micromidgetmonkey@reddit
You're assuming that these CEOs aren't lying through their teeth in a desperate attempt to hype up their product before the venture capital funding dries up and they actually have to start turning a profit. Which currently they can't do as they make a huge loss otherwise service.
LifeguardHuman1431@reddit (OP)
Mythos was a fugazzi
schnaps01@reddit
The people in charge of this AI revolution do not want for everyone to have a UBI. They might just be consolidating the ressources for them selves. If less humans are needed on this planet for their services then the ones that are left in charge have more ressources to survice. So my bet would be that when the first jobs get deleted those people will be left to fight for themselves, no one will care if they die or not, as it already is for "useless" people. Those who are in charge of this AI shit know that our ressources are being depleted and the future climate will not allow for so many people prospering on this planet.
Ozmorty@reddit
LLM and ML is here… AGI is not even close for general consumption. And AGI capable of bridging physical barriers is even further away.
lickava_lija@reddit
Well, I mean, yes. But at the same time, who knows? The details are hazy.
What is in our absolute future is China's dominion over the world. So better start learning the language. Add that to the list.
Beneficial-Win-7187@reddit
Rage-fear...