Anyone else who is also considering to become a vibe-plumber or a vibe- automotive mechanic at this point ?
Posted by Manfluencer10kultra@reddit | ExperiencedDevs | View on Reddit | 19 comments
No doubt there are many like me who started as a little misfit kid, before the dotcom crash. Spend your days lurking on IRC, reading packetstorm.securify news every day and your passion was finding out how things work, and make it do 'more'.
I found my passion way earlier, when I was sat behind a computer at age 4 to play minesweeper at the school's Windows 3.1 computer. But there were so many more things to click on and discover.
Just before the dotcom cash I was making a little bit of money on the side already from the ridiculous per click/impression advertisement rates.
At about age 14-15 shifted to some odd jobs on rentacoder.com, was asked to build a website for a local restaurant my sister worked at. Built a guestbook for some website/forum, and the owner needed someone to port and maintain their ASP e-commerce store to PHP. Ended up working there a workday a week during high-school.
I'm used to being undervalued and the work taken for granted throughout my career, as you know... things like pre-emptive focus on security and scalability are a hard sell, while mock designs sell easily.
But there was always an appreciation for the work and the learning effort that was required to become a good software developer.
Now? to be honest, the amount of self-doubt is growing and it's because I'm fearful that while data-breaches are telling the truth, I'm afraid that people are becoming numb to it.
Thanks to COVID, we saw a spike in cyber-intrusions, as people working at home are an easier attack surface.
Politicians were waking up a little bit.
"Finally!" " They get it!".
Then the Russian invasion of Ukraine happened, and suddenly cybersecurity became one of the most important things there is, and it seemed that every previous AGILE Coach turned into a CISO.
Not long before GenAI came along, and it's not getting better, despite numerous warnings and huge breaches. The lawmakers are legislating it, but you know that enforcing it is not on the table, unless it's for an easy big grab for a company who can afford it and survives anyway.
I don't see anyone being fearful of producing and shipping unsafe software, nor do I see a reluctance to use it, and feeding it with personal information.
I'm afraid that the FOMO might have already reached a threshold where the market will no longer self-correct, as data-breaches might produce a temporarily dip in a company's stock, but it won't end up in a hole in the ground with a tombstone covering it.
No recourse, no correction.
No correction, no deviation.
No deviation, just regression.
Speed valued over quality.
No more weeding out the germs.
When non-coders create code, I find it outright insulting.
We're not talking about a non-coder creating a website/webshop through a builder of a trusted vendor, but non-coders actually becoming the vendor, and producing facades like they are a team of 50+ real engineers.
And at the same time not at all reluctant to ingest massive quantities of their user's data into their systems.
And why shouldn't I be upset or insulted? We would be the only profession not to be upset. Not because I'm afraid of losing work, but because what quality work entails is lost on others.
I always gave people pointers when they showed an interest in becoming a developer. I could smell if someone was seriously interested or heard about the pay, but wasn't interested in putting in the work.
Someone who is truly interested in doing this would figure it out.
Or after some guidance to someone who had a hard time with learning JS: "Thanks, but the rest I want to do myself".
I recently came across this person's her social's and was happy to congratulate her on starting her own company.
Now I see posts like this:
"can u explain like with what workflow , you will have what kind of results you will see. I have a good agent.md and docs structure for the agent but in what case which model will be better for me."
And they might ship a whole app tomorrow and ask money for it.
After 26 years of software development, herding some fkn sheep somewhere starts to sound better every day.
Melodic_Crow_3409@reddit
Did you write this with AI? It feels like AI.
Manfluencer10kultra@reddit (OP)
What the actual f? just spent literally like 30 min writing and redacting it.
Individual-Trip-1447@reddit
I literally hate it when randome people that can comprehend writtiythis much blame you AI, reddit communybecoming trigger happy. Please guys before AI people used to write and read longer then this.
Manfluencer10kultra@reddit (OP)
And the most frustrating part is that this is exactly what I'm talking about in terms of complacency. Not taking the time to read a post is fine, but then still taking the time to offer your opinion on it. It equates to not taking the time to read 2000 lines of code that the LLM churned out, let alone documentation to find out the "why's" behind what is generated and if what is generated was indeed correct.
I'm fine with being told I'm wrong, or stupid or what not, but at least I'm taking some time to get a discussion going through which I hope we can learn from each-other as individuals.
How do you see the future, and how do you see your future ? What drives you to do this work?
But even the mods seem to think that my post is a better fit for a "r/changecareerpath" or what not.
WhitelabelDnB@reddit
Here's you posting about using Claude Code
For those unaware, Anthropic is kind of breaking their silence on GitHub about the higher usage we've seen. : r/ClaudeCode
Here's you posting about using Codex
One thing I've learned: Never let Codex autocompact, because this is what happens: : r/codex
Here's you posting about seeking professional help because you're buying too many tokens
"I almost hit my weekly use" "I could really need some extra tokens" "Maybe Gemini can hook me up" : r/ClaudeCode
Here is 10 pages of Google results of you regularly submitting in almost every AI coding subreddit under the sun.
Manfluencer10kultra site:www.reddit.com - Google Search
You are not fooling anyone. Get off your high horse.
Manfluencer10kultra@reddit (OP)
All those posts are highly critical of AI's coding performance and obviously sarcastic about us becoming addicted to it.....
Manfluencer10kultra@reddit (OP)
There's a chrome extension to check Reddit posts for AI, use it, test it. Guarantee you it won't say it's AI, but whatever buddy. Clearly you haven't even READ the post, or you would see how ridiculous it is to even accuse me.
Melodic_Crow_3409@reddit
It’s the length of the Complete Works of William Shakespeare. I just woke up and haven’t had my coffee, plus I’m sick. So sue me that I haven’t read the whole thing. I skimmed it.
But, since you say it is not AI I believe you.
Manfluencer10kultra@reddit (OP)
Maybe the "skimming" before acting out, is exactly the core issue I'm trying to convey.
Melodic_Crow_3409@reddit
Point taken.
I am in the final 10 years of my software development career. I use Claude at work for some things. It is good for helping review pull requests to see if it catches something that I miss.
I am hopeful that I can ride this career out for another 5 to 10 years and then retire on a couple of million dollars. I don’t think I would go into this field again if I was 18 and just going into college. I got into it back in the Halcyon days of the dotcom boom when practically anybody could put their nose to the grindstone and become a developer.
Back when I started, programming was fun. Everything was new and exciting. Now, everything has become enshittified. I am just thankful that I don’t work for a company that tracks your use of AI and will ding you if you don’t use it enough.
Plastic_Monitor_5786@reddit
"When non-coders create code, I find it outright insulting"
When non-humans create Reddit posts, I find it outright insulting.
Manfluencer10kultra@reddit (OP)
If you have proof that I used Ai to write it, show me.
Plastic_Monitor_5786@reddit
Sadly the post is deleted.
Individual-Trip-1447@reddit
I’m a hobbyist woodworker, even though I’ve been a software engineer for 26 years as well. Never in my life did I think I’d consider turning that hobby into something more serious, but maybe that time is coming sooner than I expected. I already have a full workshop set up in one of the bedrooms, just for it.
Manfluencer10kultra@reddit (OP)
Yet the workshop does not constitute 5 robotic arms and a 3D printer ?:)
Individual-Trip-1447@reddit
3d printer yes but robotic arm I print was not so robotic I might try one day 🤣
Scary_Wolf_616@reddit
so obviously LLM generated. maybe you should try using your brain again
Manfluencer10kultra@reddit (OP)
Err, no, I wrote it.
WhitelabelDnB@reddit
Gatekeep somewhere else.