Ukraine summons Israeli ambassador to foreign ministry over 'stolen' grain shipments
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Otto_Von_Waffle@reddit
I will say that three years of slaughtering children, bombing four different countries, effectively annexing land from three countries/regions, enacting death penalty based on ethnic grouping and running an arbitrary prison system were sexual violence is almost policy at this point, but now the international community start talking about sanctions because Israel bought stolen grain?
Ffs, Europe can you at least pretend you give a fuck about genocide instead of looking away unless someone is messing with your precious Ukraine.
name20948234@reddit
I love how Israeli crimes are used to put blame on Europe. With US asset Von der Leyen at the helm of the council and ''BlackRock'' Merz as chancellor of the most powerful country inside the EU it's hard to do anything but there's a faction of countries inside the EU that are vocal and active about the genocide.
Pklnt@reddit
They've looked at it, and judged that there is no point trying to sanction Israel because they may not change what they're doing.
Which is pretty fucking hysterical when you look at the EU's stance on sanctions against Russia.
Monterenbas@reddit
More like, they look at it and decided that it was not worth antagonizing the US over Israel, when American support is, unfortunately, still necessary to fight back against Russia’s agression.
Pklnt@reddit
The US is already pretty fucking antagonized against us.
Monterenbas@reddit
Yes, so maybe it’s not necessary to make things worse, over some conflict in the middle East. It’s ok for Europe to prioritize its own national interest.
JustChillin3456@reddit
The EU only cares about Russia because anyone who else in the EU can be next
If it doesn’t personally affect someone, people don’t care
fuckshitballscunt@reddit
While I don't disagree I do need to point out that both your country and mine are also closely aligned with the US strategically who is the biggest sponsor in all of this.
The issue of Ukraine is directly on Europe's doorstep and Ukraine is the only thing standing between them and an authoritarian regime who wants to come and kill them. I do not blame them for focusing on that problem.
The issue of the Palestinian people should, by all rights, be the domain of Egypt, the UAE, Jordan, Iran, Lebanon, the Saudis. You know... the locals.
Iran is obviously pretty evil (wah, usa you're right, don't care, doesn't make Iran the good guys) and by extension, their proxies, including hamas are probably not good people either.
The Saudis? The people who cut off that reporters head and plunder the oil wealth of their nation, living it up large while imposing strict control over the population.
The UAE, unsure, aligned with the USA? So likely complicit.
Egypt? I think they tried once upon a time but were too weak alone and idk what their end game actually was.
Why should we, or Europe or anyone be involved in this mess? Why not China? Or India? Why does Russia get a pass? The only action I support in this whole ordeal is putting pressure on the USA to drop support for Israel because that's the part that we are complicit in.
Pklnt@reddit
By directly trading with Israel, we are already involved in this mess.
We can't claim we want to uphold international law and human rights worldwide while still trading and refusing to cancel agreements with a state that clearly violates international law and human rights.
Monterenbas@reddit
But we shouldn’t even claim to « uphold » our European values worldwide, when so many countries have clearly demonstrated that they’re not interested by it. Western values are not universal values.
Pklnt@reddit
If you sign an agreement with the EU that clearly states that Human rights and International law matters, the EU should at least demand said things to be respected otherwise the agreement should be void.
Monterenbas@reddit
But human right and international laws don’t matter, just ask Ukraine, so Europe should prioritize its economic and diplomatic interest, before asking middle eastern countries to abide by European values.
fuckshitballscunt@reddit
You're right. I just think there is too much finger pointing going on and not enough accountability from everyone involved.
I do find it particularly odd though that no one ever expects the locals to do anything.
Pklnt@reddit
I'm from France, I couldn't care less about what Egypt or KSA do.
However I can see that my state and the EU talk about human rights and all that shit but it's immediately pushed aside when it comes to Israel.
We can't even break an association agreement with Israel despite it being based on respecting human rights and the UN charter.
Since then, Israel has slaughtered thousands of children, encroached even further in Palestine with more settlements, they're destroying southern Lebanon, they've been condemned by the UN security Council, the UN General Assembly, the International Criminal Court and the International Court of Justice... and we refuse to do anything.
So yeah, perhaps other states should also do more, but I'm far more disgusted at the EU and my state because I live in it.
fuckshitballscunt@reddit
Right. And Canada and Israel have a free trade agreement. I think we're talking across purposes because my main point is that there is a Canadian, finger pointing at the EU saying you aren't doing enough and theyre so consumed by that that they're ignoring this issue much closer to home.
I'm saying European issues to the Europeans. Middle Eastern issues to the Middle easterners. If you want to go further, above and beyond, all the power to you. But no one should be expecting you to come to clean up their mess for them. It's already been proven that no one else is coming to clean up yours.
Otto_Von_Waffle@reddit
I mean, I will be the first to call out my government as being hypocrites enabling a genocidal regime, Europe isn't any worse or better then my country, the whole west is guilty of this.
Pklnt@reddit
Nah I disagree, if the EU wants to acts like a champion of Human rights, it can't turn a blind eye at Israel.
We're very capable at sanctioning countries worldwide, but when it comes to Israel we pretend there's nothing to do when we clearly have the bigger stick in this relationship.
fuckshitballscunt@reddit
But you've got no issue with the Canadians continuing to trade with Israel? Just so long as you're not involved? This is my point, not yours.
Pklnt@reddit
I do, but I'm not Canadian and we're not in a thread that showcases Canadian hypocrisy.
fuckshitballscunt@reddit
I don't wanna be that guy but we kind of are. You're replying to my comment raising the issue of Canadian hypocrisy. You're also saying "I'm not canadian" which is again, the issue I was raising.
It seems like we agree about most of this stuff so I don't understand exactly what we're arguing? We're just viewing it from different angles but still agree as far as I can tell.
You're saying "I welcome the criticism" and I'm just saying "hey bro, that's all well and good but we should be looking in our own back yard too" which just so happens to be exactly what you're doing. Do I have that right?
Pklnt@reddit
When you say stuff like "European issues for Europeans", "no one should be expected to clean up their mess" etc, you make me think that you have quite an apathetic vision about these issues.
My point is different, I don't care if a Canadian comes and lectures us about the European Union not doing enough against Israel because I ultimately do not care if that person is an hypocrite or if he/she also criticizes his own government for the same lack of action.
fuckshitballscunt@reddit
Maybe I often have a less emotion fueled opinion. But I think it helps me focus more clearly on issues where I can make a difference. I don't care to lecture you on your issues, you seem to have it under control. Global opinion seems to be turning against Israel. You're obviously fighting for the parts your involved in, I'm fighting for the parts I'm involved in.
Total tangent, Ive always wondered. Do people in your country generally know about the bombing of the rainbow warrior or is that an obscure reference you've never heard of? It was quite an important event in the shaping of my nations geopolitical position.
Pklnt@reddit
I think 20 years ago it was quite popular, nowadays I'm not too sure even though there was a french documentary on one of the biggest French television channel for the 40 years of the attack.
Azzagtot@reddit
>The issue of Ukraine is directly on Europe's doorstep and Ukraine is the only thing standing between them and an authoritarian regime who wants to come and kill them.
Why would Russia would like to come and kill Europeans?
Monterenbas@reddit
Idk, they’ve done that for centuries, so just open an history book and check at their justification.
Rn, according to Putin, Russia does not have enough land apparently.
Azzagtot@reddit
>idk
So, fearmingering.
Monterenbas@reddit
Russia litteraly invading European country, to take over their land, is fearmongering, got it.
NearABE@reddit
If we are looking back centuries then no, Europeans kept invading Russia.
fuckshitballscunt@reddit
I don't know. Why did they like to come and kill Ukranians?
JustChillin3456@reddit
Egypt did in fact let in Palestinian refugees who in turn attacked them
Every since then Egypt has installed 7 gates and refuses to let anyone enter
fuckshitballscunt@reddit
Was that specifically hamas militants? I wonder what the circumstances of that was. Think it could have been something akin to an Iranian false flag attack to keep forcing the issue?
FudgeAtron@reddit
Just to point out what a silly question this is, this is like asking if the Nazi party were invovled in assassinating Franz Ferdinand. You're about 20 years too early and with a compeltely different ideology.
JustChillin3456@reddit
Members of the PLO
I’d start by reading about “Black September” and their involvement in the Lebanon civil war
sulaymanf@reddit
They bombed at least 5 countries by my count.
Monterenbas@reddit
Don’t worry about it, we care about Palestinians, just as much as countries from the region, care about Ukrainians. Everything is perfectly balance.
RealAbd121@reddit
The reason why you're seeing this reaction is because of campsim, the west looks at Israel as "They're genocidal barbarians but they're OUR genocidal barbarians so we must defend them", but when Israelis get too drunk on their arrogance and declare that they actually don't have any allegance to their own camp and don't need to respect this arrangement, it causes everyone to suddenly go "wait what did we side with them for then?"
The Sanctions and stealing of grain is not the real issue; if India did it, the West would only be half angry, it's the breaking of social contract that is causing them whiplash!
imunfair@reddit
To the victor go the spoils, either take back the land, or make a deal and stop whining about what you lost and are unable to get back. Whining about lost grain while putting yourself in a position to lose far more land is just performative nonsense.
NearABE@reddit
Ukraine is in a position to sink the ships.
R1donis@reddit
Thats not even spoils, Russia isnt taking wheat harvested by Ukraine.
1) Ukraine label ALL shipments from Russia as "stollen", even those originated from pre 2014 territory.
2) From who Russia even stole it? it harvested by same people who was doing it before 2014.
Ditnoka@reddit
Was the grain grown on Ukranian land? Then Russia stole it.
NearABE@reddit
I believe they are talking about Donbas and Crimea. Though could be grain ships leaving from Rostov or Mariupol. I am not sure how Ukraine could identify specific contents on a ship.
Rushing_Russian@reddit
Spoken like the average american I guess
imunfair@reddit
Geopolitics isn't kisses and hugs, when you grow up you'll realize you don't just get to call dibs on something unless you can defend it.
That's the whole point of small countries being in defense alliances, something Ukraine failed to do. Thanks to Zelensky it's looking like that oversight will be the demise of their whole 30 years of independence.
TomTomXD1234@reddit
You are living in some weird medieval world in your head where countries just invaded other and take what they wanted.
Believe it or not, we have advanced as a society and there has been relative peace and calm, all things considered, around most of the world - that is until trump came in with a similar mindset to yours and started doing his thing.
Its wild for Americans, living in abundance, to have such a mindset. Its also wild how you dont see how the mindset of "if you cant defend it, you lose it" is detrimental to world stability, especially when it comes from a world super power
imunfair@reddit
Ah you're one of those people who was shocked when Russia invaded and thinks that since the year is post-2020 it's some magical milestone that changes human nature and removes the need for basic might-makes-right defenses like alliances between nations, particularly ones in the sphere of influence of neighboring superpowers.
valentc@reddit
Wow. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, and really fell for the "America is perfect" propaganda that America pushed for the last 75 years.
Go take your pills grandpa, and lay off the Fox News.
imunfair@reddit
No one said "America is perfect" but we do have a big fuck-off military that runs around the world keeping the balance in our favor. Look no further than Europe screaming about how in "danger" they are for the last four years and doing next to nothing to actually rearm themselves, expecting us to protect them from any and all threats.
valentc@reddit
Spoken like someone who doesnt understand soft power. There's this thing called NATO, which was built specifically to further American soft power.
But hey, you guys think "speak softly and carry a big stick" is just some liberal bullshit.
NekoCatSidhe@reddit
It is because the US were never invaded themselves and occupied by a superior military power, at least not for the last couple of centuries, that they can have that arrogant mindset. If they were the ones being invaded instead of the ones who usually invade others, they would soon sing a different tune.
Not that this is a sane mindset to have anyway. The Ukraine war is ruining Russia financially, and the Iran war threatens to cause a global recession that is certain to affect the US as well. Wars of conquest cost more money than they bring back these days. To the victor goes the costs.
JustChillin3456@reddit
“Complains about the US’s justifiable invasions. Then complains about Russias invasion which is only failing due to the military funding gifted by the US”
Average euro take
Exepony@reddit
Was it Trump that invaded Iraq to find WMDs that were obviously never there? Was it Trump that started a war in Afghanistan after 9/11 because the American public wanted revenge? There has never been a time when the US didn't do as it wanted. Why should its geopolitical rivals hold themselves to a higher standard?
JustChillin3456@reddit
Because we literally provide more to the world than any other country.
No one wants to bite the hand that feeds them
Guaire1@reddit
Not even medieval. Even in the middle ages there were international standards and international rule of law. He is living in the iron age.
crusadertank@reddit
What is this fantasy you are living in?
Countries invading others to take what they want has never gone away.
Also American "foreign interventions" existed long before Trump, he is just continuing what previous presidents have done in this regard. You even have people from the Biden administration saying they were preparing similar strikes on Iran as what Trump did
Your comment just seems like it didn't happen to you so you ignored it happening around the world. Now this is affecting you, you suddenly are noticing it
CluelessExxpat@reddit
What a load of bullshit. Do we need to remind you the list of countries daddy US invaded and good boy Europe supported because they were "out of line"?
imunfair is right. Its you who is living in an alternate reality where there is no Ministry of Defense and armies, instead they have Ministry of Flowers and squads of people that hands these flowers to other countries.
Rushing_Russian@reddit
Ohh I get it your one of those. When would you have liked zelensky to have joined a security pact? Before his country was at war with Russia oh wait Russia has been invading his country 4 years before he was elected. Anyways guess I'll go learn geopolitics is all just fucking over everyone and breaking alliances. Hope you really enjoy the next decade it's gonna be great for your country
AwkwardTal@reddit
"If I don't steal it someone else will"
JustChillin3456@reddit
Morally wrong, factually correct
SongFeisty8759@reddit
Almost certainly MAGA..
JustACharacterr@reddit
Putting pressure on the international community to treat occupied land like occupied land and apply sanctions accordingly has been a part of not just Ukrainian strategy but the strategy of any occupied power in modern human history.
Stop acting like you’re smart for thinking like a caveman. There is more to international diplomacy than “Other person stronger, give up or it’s your fault for not giving up”.
Toykio@reddit
The combination of username, country tag, red hat and that stance are definitly something.
And that something doesn't particulary scream "i'm a balnced and educated individual".
imunfair@reddit
I love when redditors whine about the theta hat, exposing their own unhinged obsession with anything and everything being about Trump.
PartySr@reddit
What's hard to understand? Israeli have no morals, and they even find the deal even more attractive since the grains were stolen by the Russians who killed tens of thousands of Ukrainians. After all, the Israeli love stealing and killing others.
Prosthemadera@reddit
Ukraine wasn't even critical of Israel but Israel doesn't care. They love making enemies even of allies because the more enemies they have they more they can play the victim and use that to justify their crimes.
historicusXIII@reddit
Israel has a habit of humiliating its allies.
spiralism@reddit
Ukraine was backing them to the hilt even! With friends like these...
RealAbd121@reddit
Spoiled children who never had to learn the concept of restraint, their reaction seems to display a genuine inability to understand what they're doing wrong here or why Ukraine would feel offended.
Like, how dare you tell me what to do? "Alliances are equal relationships"? What does that even mean?
Level_Hour6480@reddit
When bad people face no consequences, they feel emboldened to do more bad things.
BabylonianWeeb@reddit
I wonder if tankies will switch sides and became pro-Israel after this.
Also the headline doesn't mention it but Ukraine threaten to cut all their ties with Israel
imunfair@reddit
How will Israel ever survive without the help of such a key partner?
Morgn_Ladimore@reddit
I can understand Ukraine supporting Israel, because Russia is using an enormous amount of Iranian-made drones. The enemy of my enemy is my friend and all that. But damn, if this isn't classic Israel lol. Zero morals.
Morgn_Ladimore@reddit
I can understand Ukraine supporting Israel, because Russia is using Iranian-made drones en masse. But damn, if this isn't classic Israel lol. Zero morals.
JustChillin3456@reddit
“Let them fight”
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