What is your opinion on internet anonymity?
Posted by FantasticQuartet@reddit | AskBalkans | View on Reddit | 144 comments
Posted by FantasticQuartet@reddit | AskBalkans | View on Reddit | 144 comments
Slayer_o7@reddit
No problem for us—it’ll be easier to expose the scum of the ruling class.
Serious_Price_7605@reddit
Lol, facebook and x literally have your photo and name right there and they are the most toxic places. Thinking removing anonymity fixes toxicity is delusional to say the least
Thalassophoneus@reddit
Voters of New Democracy are fucking cancerous.
coleto22@reddit
When they oppose people saying toxic things without anonymity I will believe them.
But especially Greek politicians love toxic talk and supporting toxic actions.
YoungLovecraft@reddit
I think that China essentially has zero anonymity on social media and they have reported that hostile language and harassment has decreased as the people have grown afraid to publicly insult others
If that experiment is repeated in Greece the results will be vastly different as both the greek political commentator and the greek politician don't really care about government censorship. You can't imagine the things I've seen written on Greek social Media by people who have their full name on their profile behind a picture of their spouse and with their home island written on their bio. Unless you get a government that will actually do something to enforce it's laws, it is in the people's right to ignore them and proceed as if theh were never passed
Alvaruk@reddit
Exactly, this current Greek government is the incarnation of toxicity and misinformation.
They have the nerve to even waste our money in some seminars about the truth in social media after creating an organization of internet trolls to also be toxic, spread misinformation, censorship of whatever they don't like and assassinate characters, its a circus.
Uploading our legal documents to Reddit, Meta, Google and similar is not going to happen just like the entire mess with Discord back in July 2025. I am not going to keep updating my ID every time they have data leaks or sell outs masked as hacks ffs.
Avengernk@reddit
The gov just wants their own trolls/bots to roam around the internet freely spreading their disgusting propaganda.
No-Penalty-7506@reddit
Something changed in the last two years every country is trying to end anonymity we have a similar law coming into effect in Turkey.
Lotofagos_@reddit
Similar laws will come into effect everywhere. The UK, Australia, Greece, Turkey etc. are one of the first to implement this but other countries will follow suit.
The age of anonymity on social media (including this website) will be over soon.
Martha_Fockers@reddit
this website has zero anonymity just cause I dont know YOU doesnt mean they dont know you and me are this and that account.
Capable_Studio_6631@reddit
They can do that for 1, 2, 3 people not easy to do for thousands or hundred of thousands.
RandomGuy1525@reddit
I remember just less than 7 years ago when the most important thing while being online was being anonymous. Even in school you were teached never to use your real name as a username, to use strong passwords, to not post your face to websites.
Nowadays, they literally line up 30 different biometric scans so you can order a literal keychain.
von-Mises-@reddit
"Someone must have been telling lies about Josef K., he knew he had done nothing wrong but, one morning, he was arrested." - The Trial, Franz Kafka, 1925
once these lows are in place, just disturb somebody with some kind of power
and a bot will send CSAM with your documents.
if it is so easy as usung a document, (and it has to be so any dumb person ca log in) a smal cam on a traffic police patrol (that you cannot refuse) will be enought for bots databases.
Our loved activists that exposes corruption all over balkans will disapear day2.
you cannot collect corruption data anymore if you have no presumption of innocence, activists will be the daily targets and their devices wil be wipe over and over to not permit the data gathering.
torrent will become once more the go to.
for any social interaction nostr already rules.
if Aaron Swartz was alive today, he for sure will rebuild reddit over nostr.
betacarotentoo@reddit
Well, Marxists are not socialists.
staslindo@reddit
"Marxists are not socialists."
You sure?
von-Mises-@reddit
“Fascism is the stage reached after communism has proved an illusion.”
― Friedrich von Hayek, nobel prize in economics 1974
Lonely-Sunbed-2508@reddit
What changed is that with WW3 coming, surveillance and authoritarianism must reach an all time high
just_for_browse@reddit
not really
what has changed though is how the wests adversaries are abusing known weaknesses to democracy now with unfettered influence on their populaces
social media is their attack vector of choice and it’s been spotted a little late
UNIntelligent-Issue2@reddit
You are right, not sure you re getting downvoted
LividBad9541@reddit
Exactly, majority of social media traffic nowadays is done by bots, with the aim to sow disinformation, hate and distrust inside the west.
Martha_Fockers@reddit
3/10 interactions on this site are you and a bot a LLM whos really convincingly arguing with you about beyblades somewhere online
alkorisno@reddit
And CIA didint abuse it for these years in Russia and China when they complained they ware becoming more autoritarian? What has changed is that US isnt the only one controling social media anymore, as China becomes a leading producer of everything
NNYBG111@reddit
This.
Feisty-Bike3405@reddit
Ww3 is not coming yet son😭
subemx@reddit
OR they used WW3 as an excuse for passing all those strict laws that change everything we knew up until now.
Orthodox-Paradox@reddit
Something Something Ted Kazynski Something Something
casual_philosopher02@reddit
the most toxic shit is written on Facebook by a Kostas with his whole family on the profile and a triple chin picture
Orthodox-Paradox@reddit
I disagree, the most toxic things are written by former "Syriza" aunties, let's call them Elena,who after the fall of their party lost their guidance and are spewing random incoherent ideologically crap only for the views and to argue.
Our racist uncle Kostas is coherent in his ignorance and hate , our progressive auntie Elena just wants to virtue signal and says things that are both offensive and idiotic.
Bonus points if they dyed a streak of their hair a bright colour to look hip and modern but don't go all the way.
Greek_Bodybuilder995@reddit
We voted for Nea Dimokratia for our taxes to be lowered and our liberty to be protected.
We did get meagre tax reductions (OK), but we also get AI traffic cameras, social media bans for teenagers and anonymity bans online.
Orthodox-Paradox@reddit
Bruh, whoever we put in power will do the same. They are bureucrats who work for the EU, not politicians representing the Greek people. What we should complain about is that our "democracy" is crony state, which has effectively removed almost half of the people able to vote away from the voting stations by spreading nihilism, choking out any non collaborator and widespread bribery.
In the UK they actually believe what they say and do, which makes them worse. An ideologically driven idiot is far more dangerous than one who is a slave to his pockets.
DinDon1001@reddit
I don't agree with most things they do as a party but there some of the things they are implementing, i believe are great. Namely, the AI caneras and the social media bans.
Greek drivers are horrible and completely disregard the law in many occasions, putting lives at risk. Maybe it is time to stop this behaviour the harsh way. Apparently educating them on public decency has already failed.
Teenagers are another issue. We have increased (not that they did not exist before) incidents of school gangs, group beatings, knife attacks and all that jazz. Most of these are incited by social media. Another case where the Greek society has failed.
And please let us not start with X goverment did Y. We voted for them by democratic means and i haven't experienced a semi decent one yet in my 39 years. We are the problem and each goverment a derivative of our problematic choices.
Mother-Astronaut8784@reddit
Good cattle
Several-Zombies6547@reddit
I don't care what y'all say, AI traffic cameras are fine. Lots of assholes have been caught and there has been a big reduction in traffic accidents.
Greek_Bodybuilder995@reddit
Here in Germany we don’t have AI cameras like that. Sure, we have Blitzers, but drivers in Germany are trained rigorously and there are no speed limits on motorways either (with few exceptions), but Germany has fewer traffic accidents per capita than Greece has even though the KOK is among the strictest in Europe. I refuse to believe that strong-arming Greek drivers just because most of them behave like pricks on the roads is the only alternative.
MardukPainkiller@reddit
You voted for them my dude? Lmao...
Greek_Bodybuilder995@reddit
No. I did not vote at all in the last two elections because I live in Germany. I said "we" because most Greeks - especially most boomer Greeks - voted for them predominantly.
Shark_Hoodie_Guy@reddit
If you don't vote then don't complain about your country's political aftermath.
Greek_Bodybuilder995@reddit
Until recently it was not possible for diaspora Greeks to vote from abroad although I do admit in the last election I missed the registration deadline, so yeah. I do play a passive part in this charade. Truth be told, however, nobody expected such measures and these were not in any manifesta.
gk98s@reddit
It should never be possible for people living outside of the country to vote anyway. Look at Turks from Germany lining up to ruin Turkey's economy so they can have cheaper holidays
Greek_Bodybuilder995@reddit
Most Turks in Germany don’t even have Turkish nationality anymore or if they do they simply can‘t be bothered to vote.
gk98s@reddit
I mean if you're born in Germany and you're a German citizen you shouldn't have Turkish citizenship or voting rights either way. Most of the Turks in Germany are ultra nationalistic Erdogan supporters
CapitalNothing1696@reddit
This is just not true. Erdogan couldnt even get most turks in germany to vote the party he supported there. Even the most muslim turks in germany go to arab led mosques instead of the turkish government led ones because it doesnt feel as religious. They vote for erdogan in turkey, yes, but they the really assimilated ones dont give a sht about him
gk98s@reddit
You just talked about something completely unrelated to my statement after calling my statement untrue and then proceeded to confirm my statement. Turks in Germany(Or the Netherlands, etc.) that vote in Turkish elections mostly vote for Erdogan.
MardukPainkiller@reddit
Turkey needs some of that tho, because diaspora Turks would also be more progressive than the fascists that rule Turkey now.
gk98s@reddit
A massive percentage of diaspora Turks voted for Erdogan in the last elections. I think it was close to 80%
MardukPainkiller@reddit
ffs I was hoping.
gk98s@reddit
In fact they're rhe reason Erdogan won lmfao diaspora voting is the stupidest thing ever
Alt4thesexy@reddit
Not "most greeks", it was about 22% (accounting for the fact that they won by 41% and there was only 52% turnout)
SparkGri@reddit
The best part is that the current government has an entire army of trolls that gets paid by tax payers' money to attack anyone who criticises them, but I guess that doesn't fall under the toxicity category and they consider that good anonymity.
AST360@reddit
It genuinely feels like we are heading a anti-anonymity stance globally. In Turkey, we are soon to be required to use the "E-devlet" (E-state application where you can manage your bureaucratic work online) just to log in to Instagram and X.
FuelTheRadiance@reddit
I mean Europe is going to use electronic passports too. But you are assuming the electronic passports are worse than the current situation and in many ways they are not. Or rather, it depends on where you live and whether your government is trustworthy.
The point of it is that governments do not want private companies to have your data. The EU doesn't want X to have your phone number, your real name, etc. So far these companies have asked for "proof" that you are real, which is their excuse to harvest data. The government says, no, no, we will ask for the proof on our end and vouch for their reality. If you don't accept this, then you aren't allowed to operate in our country.
I think that for most civilized countries, this is a good thing. I don't want to have to put my phone number into countless online services and provide them with info on my location, or my name, or whatever.
fk_censors@reddit
How's it a good thing for the government to force you to do something, whereas the private company isn't forcing you to do anything?
FuelTheRadiance@reddit
Because I need to use those services. Questions like these are so tiresome.
Summer_19_@reddit
Wasn’t Romania in a police-state environment for many decades already?
betacarotentoo@reddit
No government is trustworthy if the citizens are molluscs.
Valentino69420@reddit
Is this what this law is trying to achieve? If so, I'm all in for it as long as the everyday gourmont doesn't get to know who the person behind the computer is to use it to harm the individual.
Albaaneesi@reddit
Funny how they camoflauge controlling the population as a war against toxicity.
Sounds familiar?
Martha_Fockers@reddit
missmccreate@reddit
jeez neighbor’s fucked too it seems
David_Aaron_Finck@reddit
There is since longer no anonimity on the internet. Except maybe the people who are around in dark net or something, but there are also ways for the system to find out how you are.
EdliA@reddit
What the fuck is going on with every government trying to control us this much?
fk_censors@reddit
Think about who won the last World War.
mirc_vio@reddit
Weren’t the other guys, the ones that lost, making lists of people and their family tree? I’m sure it was them, but maybe I’m missing something.
fk_censors@reddit
The guys who lost were terrible and wanted to control individuals. But the ones who really lucked out, and won, were the Marxists, who had started out as a small terrorist fringe movement.. (They got to conquer like half of Europe, and take over a lot of Asia eventually). They also want to control the individual. They and their ideology were allowed to proliferate.
Apatride@reddit
AI and automation will create massive unemployment. Massive unemployment might trigger uprisings. Controlling communications can help push a narrative and/or identify the leaders of the uprising.
Where it gets interesting is that Capitalism/consumerism as we know it can't possibly survive that change. If we (the masses) stop producing and stop (over)consuming but still pollute, what is the most logical thing to do?
shurdi3@reddit
Who the fuck uses a guy fawkes mask as a symbol for anonymity anymore?
It's 2026, not 2012
Criycleia@reddit
Everyone should be required to use the internet with some form of official identification (such as a national ID card, digital certificate, or verified account). You never know if you’re debating politics with a 12 year old. These kids are often highly toxic because they don’t work, don’t pay taxes, and face no real consequences for their actions. They frequently use inflammatory language to provoke anger, and their posts spread like wildfire across social media.
People have the right to know who they are actually arguing with. At the very least, governments should be able to identify users so that legal action can be taken when necessary. For example, if someone from Country A spreads deliberate lies or disinformation about Country B on social media, it should be treated as illegal activity with real consequences.
Freedom of speech must be protected, but it should not come at the expense of another person’s rights or national security. Speech that incites hatred, spreads proven falsehoods, or harms others crosses the line from freedom into abuse.
NeosX222@reddit
You think that China was right all along and Europe should follow their philosophy about online anonymity?
Criycleia@reddit
Short answer yes, long answer no not as it is.
NeosX222@reddit
You seem to come from Turkey according to your comment history, an authoritarian country that also plans to introduce mandatory linking of your social media account to your real ID. Interesting that someone who hails from a place which is about to implement these measures for all the wrong reasons like silencing the opposition further is advocating for the (albeit limited) implementation of such. Only wanting verification for political debates, news comments etc. like you is already sufficient to silence people since they know one wrong sentence that angers their government could get their doors kicked in.
Criycleia@reddit
Oh, I wish, if I had the power to collect all the opposition front and put them in George Orwell’s book called 1984, but we are not in George Orwell’s book, are we? We are in a world where opinions matter and ideas clash with one another. People try to climb the moral high ground and try to get public support, and if the idea is found accepted by the majority, it evolves as the accepted truth, a reality. People think this reality, this new existence, is the driving force of society, but is it?
What about innocent lives destroyed in the process of this reality, should it be accepted as casualty or liability? You or someone else or I come from different backgrounds; we had different experiences in life, where one celebrates victory and the other mourns its defeat. So what shall it be, right or wrong?
So my answer to your question: is China right? No. We should not put people in a virtual prison, but China is also right in that we should draw a line where they should not step out of it. Because even though we all come from different backgrounds, like I said before, we are all human beings, a creation of God, Allah, Kami, Creator, whatever you want to call it, and we do make mistakes, we are tempted, we steal, we lie, we kill.
So my question in response to your question: who should decide where this line should be drawn? Because in my book, this line is drawn for me many years ago, and I accepted it and found contentment, but should I change my way because people start to be offended or against my way of living?
I hope this would be a fruitful conversation for you, so that at least, even a little bit, you can see the way I see and think.
NeosX222@reddit
The line that nobody should step out of would be f.e. exposing corruption and general injustice commited by the government to enrich themselves and their cronies. I do somewhat get your idealism about accountability and combating toxic behaviour considering that the internet is full of cesspools, but many of the entities enforcing these laws are rife with opportunistic autocrats who would relentlessly abuse laws like a mandatory ID linkage to arrest and intimidate people who dare to speak up about systemic issues.
So yes, in theory these ideas make sense if all parties involved would respect each other but this is unfortunately not the case. This MAY work in very few high trust countries like Norway or Switzerland but even there it would cause a chilling effect and people complaining about their rights being infringed. Most of the worlds countries are far lower trust societies than those places.
Imo the answers lie in stronger moderation, which is already working better than it did a decade ago and perhaps zero knowledge proofs that only share info about the age and if its an actual human but nothing else. The latter does have potential privacy issues afaik but I don't know which in particular since I am no cybersecurity expert.
About the "innocent life's being destroyed" part: This wouldn't end, there would be an increase in stolen verifified accounts that get used for malicious purposes or accounts being verified with hacked digital IDs or stolen iD cards etc. Some people already blurt out horrendous things using their real names, they would simply carry on. These shenaningans would rather change than end, perhaps moving into the darknet.
New avenues for life destruction would emerge as in data breaches now also leaking IDs linked with accounts which could lead to mass blackmailing, stalking or the IDs being used to register shell companies that get used for money laundering. Leading to the innocent people whose IDs has been stolen and abused having to defend themselves in court for something they never did and, as i said before, house raids and arrests for exposing systemic issues.
See? It's a whole can of worms. To some extent governments need boundaries too since they are supposed to serve their people and not control and watch them to such an extent. The drawbacks of such laws far outweigh the benefits and introduce new issues. Almost no government, or none at all, would realistically be able to implement these rules without using them for unfair benefits.
Alvaruk@reddit
What about all the risks? they are not implementing such measures with our protection in mind, if they did they would not be leaving it up to the companies to store such sensitive data.
Are you going to keep paying for new passports every 2-3 months every random ass website you used your ID to access it now decided to sell out your data masked as hack? are you not afraid of possible identity thefts and similar?
How about parents actually start parenting their kids instead of letting them run wild?
Our governments worldwide I would say is the first party in the equation of spreading hatred, toxicity and misinformation either directly or indirectly.
But of course they have excluded themselves from this type of verification, in name of 'national security' wonderful isn't it? the typically most corrupt people will still be safe, sound, free, while you must not write anything they don't like.
Criycleia@reddit
I appreciate all the replies and the civil discussion. I am not claiming governments are trustworthy because governments are led by humans as well and corruption is everywhere. However I agree they are often hypocritical and will likely exempt themselves.
Yes the risks are serious. Data breaches, identity theft, government abuse, companies selling data. I am not ignoring them. But saying just let parents parent better is not realistic anymore. The style of parenting we saw in the 80s and 90s is largely gone. In modern societies parenting has changed dramatically. Kids have smartphones from a very young age, less supervision, and it has become much harder to control. Expecting most parents to suddenly fix this is wishful thinking.
I am not only supporting the idea that kids should stay away from the internet until they are adults. I also support limiting access to technology in a positive way. This would encourage children to go to libraries, do research, explore the real world and improve their cognitive abilities instead of spending all day online.
This is also why many countries are now alarming and restricting access to social media for those under 16. They realise kids are getting dumber and dumber every year because of constant scrolling and short form content.
We already accept official ID for banking, travel, buying restricted items and so on because some level of accountability is necessary for society to function. I do not think every single comment needs a passport scan but some form of verified identity even if the username stays pseudonymous for accounts with bigger reach or at least proper age verification makes sense to me.
I am open to better alternatives that actually reduce the worst toxicity and risks without handing over a full surveillance state. What do you propose instead that could work in todays reality?
Alvaruk@reddit
It is the parents who bought them those smartphones tbf, is not like the kids can buy them on their own, it is a choice parents made in the 2010s+ for their kids to be left on auto mode in-front of a device.
So as parents created this situation to begin with, should also be tasked to sort it out, is it wishful thinking or more like I am expecting grown adults who decided to have kids, deal with the consequences of their actions? Instead of trying to hand over more freedoms?
And what about a fair decent amount of the population who doesn't have kids or plan to, why would you force this to them?
Yes we don't live in the 80s or 90s or even the 00s anymore, things have changed a lot, but I don't think the general concept of dangers changed, they always existed in different forms.
If you simply hand over a smart phone to your 7 year old without any sort of supervision, explanation, navigate it with them and so on, its the same deal as if you bring your 7 year old and drop it in a bad neighborhood and then you are shocked by the possible very bad consequences and then you start demanding for your state to bomb that neighborhood in the name of safety for the kids when it was your decision to do this.
My bank at least, has not required me to ever upload my ID, neither the traveling agencies I pick, they simply ask what document I will travel with, and show it to them physically at the airport.
My bank even recently simply asked me to stop by their physical store/office to physically show them my ID. etc.
As for buying stuff, I use 1 timed debit cards online, they cease to exist right after purchase, nothing of value stays online in anyone's database where they could do harm remotely.
If governments cared they would set up a system where, since the police and similar already have all our documents and information, can set up a secure, offline system, then a separated system will be created where you make Government account, that account has nothing other than maybe something basic like your name, or even better some form of nickname.
That account will request from the government/police to confirm if I am an adult not even an age, simply if I am an adult, the police will simply say "yes" and the account will be green.
Now when you go to Discord, make an account, it will also ask you to check your government account and it will simply see - "Adult", and now you have a Discord Adult account.
Now as to how the Government account can know who I am and then make a request to be confirmed, well I guess some sort of identification number or something similar, tbh, I would simply support everyone going to the police to create this Government account, but I know we are past the age where we all go to physical offices anymore but I am sure a safe workaround can be achieved - granted I am not an expert on this.
This is a very just on top of my head procedure, there could be loopholes or possible dangers with it as well, but, it doesn't require us to upload anything, it requests from the government who already knows everything anyway, and no data worth of anything is online to be stolen.
Criycleia@reddit
The internet is not a controlled environment anymore, it shapes behavior, opinions, and even real-world outcomes. Leaving everything purely to individual responsibility does not reflect how the system actually works today.
I actually agree with you that parents are responsible, but it is not like that everybody read how to be a good parent, rule 101 right, so that is why we need to draw a line somewhere, because if we only rely on that it does not really work in real life.
That does not mean I support full surveillance or removing freedom of speech. It means there has to be a baseline structure that acknowledges reality, not just ideal situations. Because if a system only works when everyone behaves perfectly, then it is not a stable system.
PeriodontosisSam@reddit
Nice try ragebaiter
Criycleia@reddit
No, this is not ragebait. This is constructive criticism and my honest opinion.
User20242024@reddit
I doubt that you are real person.
Criycleia@reddit
Bee boo bop! 🤖 Confirmed real human, just very online. Or am I?
User20242024@reddit
You are either robot or alien who is pretending to be human.
Criycleia@reddit
Mmm… so tell me, handsome… do you want a naughty alien, obedient robot, or wa ta shi ? 😱
User20242024@reddit
Good one, and so different. This is real you; this is your own humor, very unlike political speech for which you were paid to present here.
Criycleia@reddit
Thank you, however I switch my tone depending on the vibe and when it’s a serious topic I stay respectful and straightforward, but when things are light and fun I let myself be playful and silly. Feels more human that way, you know? Beep Boop 🤖
Alt4thesexy@reddit
It'd be fine if it was an opt-in thing, with only some websites requiring it, as a way to maybe combat bots and trolls in those apps. However making anonymity illegal across the entire internet is (not only practically impossible) but also deeply hurts free speech and the right to withhold personal information when not under a criminal investigation.
Criycleia@reddit
I respect free speech but we must separate real debate from chaos. I dont want to ban all anonymity. I want mandatory verification with national ID or digital certificate only for political debates, viral posts and news comments.
You should not debate serious topics with 12 year olds, bored unemployed trolls or foreign accounts who face zero consequences. Their toxic posts spread fast and harm society.
Anonymity gave power to hidden voices but today it destroys trust. It also empowers lots of intelligence agencies to create misinformation during elections. Even strong nations like USA cannot escape the power of AI and how it has been used during elections. All it takes is one fake video and viral post. This creates instability in the region or even worse civil war.
You guys cannot see the big picture now but I can see far ahead maybe 20 years later at most. AI will be so advanced that there will be no other way to identify a person on internet is it AI or human.
Without accountability the worst voices win.
LeDEvRo@reddit
"Democracy" at its "best"
Dull_Cucumber_3908@reddit
Anonymity for US spies and agents all over the world is the major reason that internet exists. Even the Tor technology which is used in dark web by all the scumbags was initially a US army project in order to communicate anonymously, and they don't give a shit about all the illegal actions that take place in the dark web.
Drafter1991@reddit
First of all this is pure bs and pure controll. In Greece for ex the greatest toxic internet trolls are being paid by the government (search for "omada alitheias" translating into the truth team if you don't believe me)
Secondly I don't see what's stopping me from using vpn into a country that allows anonymity.
Thirdly how is this gonna help exactly? What's the problem we re trying to solve here? Fake news? Wow I guess I can't trust anything I read unless it's from a verified source. Toxicity? If a person passes the lines there are ways to discover its true identity.
All in all this is all about pure controll.
Capital-Driver7843@reddit
Can it be define why anonymity means? If it is for faceless Facebook accounts I am all in…. But what about whistleblowers? What about victims of home violence? And so on…
Some_Cricket_144@reddit
People who know how to stay anonymous, will stay anonymous, no matter how much a government tries to find them.
People who don't know how to stay anonymous, or don't bother to do so, won't be affected by this. You already signed off your anonymity by creating an account online, from a government perspective.
I hope people understand Reddit won't hide your real name or identity just because you generated a fake name when you created your account. It is very simple for an agency to connect your online accounts and trace them back to you.
peaceful_nude_dude@reddit
It’s all part of the plan, agenda 2030, all these govt officials/elites meeting every few years to iron out their plans for the coming years….wth you think they are talking about? More power for themselves and less for you the citizen.
0a_boy0@reddit
Literally same thing happening in Türkiye.
Equivalent-Count7576@reddit
Sea_Gap_6569@reddit
They are brewing a world revolution
Defiant_Being_9222@reddit
Toxicity = exposing/talking about government scandals
Useful_Trust@reddit
What about all the bot accounts that ND uses, ομάδα αλήθειας will get 0 views and comments now
betacarotentoo@reddit
Oh yes, the stupids must be protected.
betacarotentoo@reddit
From the other side influence.
Alvaruk@reddit
I will expect a very nice solution about that from the most corrupt and κουτοπόνηρη government of our times.
PeriodontosisSam@reddit
Is Greece allowed to do this without speaking with EU?
betacarotentoo@reddit
Why wouldn't they?
bigfatmama7@reddit
EU is introducing "chat control" so I'm sure they will be perfectly fine.
Money-Dust-220@reddit
Eventually we'll have to deal with oxygen, food and water intake control. Eventually we'll be just a simple ID number, not a human being with an identity.
PeriodontosisSam@reddit
Its not clear if this will be introduced. Afaik four EU members were against it and every member must agree
Money-Dust-220@reddit
Greece is one of the most corrupted countries. Everyday I wake up, open the news, just to find out about a new ban. Especially with the OPEKEPE corruption. Lots of money were given from EU for farmers, and those money ended up in the politicians wallets instead.
Then the Romanian EU D.A, accused some government members for this, and their response was "we don't care, with a new simple law, we can kick her out and don't give a damn about EU". This government is dangerous. And EU with one law can kick Greece out of EU and then let's see what they will have to steal, while at the same time we'll struggle to survive.
Status QUO is over. We are FORCED to read the news, ruin our mood from morning, just to not later dealing with the consequences of a new law that was voted and we didn't read about.
I'm so, so sick of this country. It's a beautiful country, but the corruption level is through the roof. If I had enough money to move abroad, I would do it yesterday.
wifesboobs42@reddit
Actually a really good question.
Lil-Shaleesh2@reddit
Does the government care about the people? Answering that question will help you understand what's really going on and why this law is even brought out.
betacarotentoo@reddit
The government care about some of the people.
betacarotentoo@reddit
This is an idea very dear to the fascists of the new sort; they need to know the ones whistling in the church.
DanielDimov@reddit
This will fail because Internet is not in any specific country - it's everywhere.
mitsest@reddit
Back to vbulletin forum boooois
ShitassAintOverYet@reddit
WHY DOES EVERY FUCKING STATE WANT TO SPY ON US FURTHER BRUH?!?
Technical-Motor5944@reddit
Took you long enough to realize that we were tracked all along, now they are just finishing their agenda to complete annihilate privacy. You've given up you privacy the moment you brought a smartphone home
Alvaruk@reddit
It is very different the "you are being tracked" from "Please upload your Passport or Police ID to access Reddit" where Reddit then after storing all that juicy data and not delete it as they will promise just like Discord did not back in Summer 2025 will sell out all that data masked as a hack and now you have to pay all over again to issue new ID or passport due to the risks of identity thefts.
Wonderful isn't it?
erdholo@reddit
They should ban anonymity on elections. So everybody knows which vote they were counted in.
alkorisno@reddit
Fashism coming back to the west as capitalism has noware left to expand.
Cringsix@reddit
It's like free speech. There will always be radicals abusing it but it doesn't mean it's a bad right to have.
iluvatar_gr@reddit
Well having to use an id to login would at least reduce the number of morons in reddit...
EvilInGood@reddit
These new internet restrictions won't be about "toxicity" since saying anything political will pose a risk on the social media and eventually end whatever freedom of speech was left that has been declining for decades.
Tinenan@reddit
Like how exactly would that even work?
Odd-Future1037@reddit
Its the defining trait of the internet. It is toxic to some extent but it also enables truly free speech. Imo its a trade worth making. Governments can not and should not police people everywhere. There will be just as many abuses. This mantra of fighting toxicity is just a cover for more control over us and a further downgrade of our rights.
Like for example the crackdowns on people protesting genocide in palestine. They’re for the most part leftists which is ironic considering they have an unfavorable view of free speech (not all ofc, but a lot of them). People need to understand that governments are not on our side and any attempt to “protect” us has ulterior motives.
turulbird@reddit
It's happening everywhere, conveniently after the whole Epstein shitshow. And it's nefarious for so many reasons. Prime amongst this is that average Joe was never anonymous to begin with. The entire premise of this decision seems to be conditioning the people into auto-censure by telling them they're watched and will be punished for their words.
Any developers anywhere on the world working on this is a traitor to mankind in my book. I will do my hardest to bypass this and share the methods with others when I understand how their upcoming systems work. If it's a digital arms race, then I will bloody partake. Fuck the elite, fuck politicians that serve them. Cheers to all grumpy free spirits. Stay angry.
Ok_Bat_686@reddit
Here in the UK, Starmer was adamantly against a social media ban for the longest time. Then the Mendelson case hit the media and all of Starmer's failings were highlighted, and all of a sudden, he's had a change of heart and wants to look into banning social media too.
It's pretty clear what's happened. Western governments have lost control of the narrative and are trying to build digital infrastructure to regain control. Not just towards Epstein, but around other things too like Israel/Palestine.
Ok_Bat_686@reddit
This is evidently the end goal with all these western countries and their social media restriction laws. This is just the 'quiet part out loud'.
MartiLay@reddit
Anonymity is a core part of the current internet experience. It wouldn't be a world wide web if you remove it. People would start doing as they do IRL, they'd start subdividing into smaller groups where their identities will be protected and respected, or better yet- unknown.
In other words, the deep web would get a lot more popular lol.
Toxicity isn't an internet problem, it's a people problem, it's a matter of community management and users should be taught to be selective of the groups they join rather than root themselves into the first group that seems like it's accepting of their worst qualities. If you have reading comprehension you'd realize that... is just something one needs to do outside of the web too.
Early_Disaster9213@reddit
Very good . Also fake unverified accounts .
EpicStan123@reddit
Double edged sword really. Online anonymity has through the internet history been exceptionally beneficial but also in other cases has done extreme harm.
Lonely-Sunbed-2508@reddit
+most social media accounts are actually government bots… what about them
GalisReFile__@reddit
"Toxicity"... calling Nea Dimokratia mafia and lowkey fascist is toxic, that's why they want to remove my free speech , you see the irony ??
Willyzyx@reddit
I don't know, I've seen some pretty toxic posts with people's full name..
TheoKondak@reddit
Yeah 10 years too late. Now almost everyone is brainwashed and turned completely nuts thanks to the propaganda and bots in social media.
The only reason to do it now is to screw privacy.
Moonbeam1184@reddit
Destroying privacy is the most dangerous thing governments can do. They are explicitly putting citizens in danger. Governments will always be hacked and your entire internet history will be on the web. I am so tired of this shortsighted fcking governments all over the world.
fancywipe@reddit
Who remembers Reddit before the flood of bots, this place was awesome
If banning anonymity could even bring back 10% of that great but the problem is not the majority of people it’s once again corporations and governments trying to fix the problems they’re cause with bigger boots on the necks of people
Odd-Jupiter@reddit
Scrutinizing our leaders are apparently toxic. Welcome to our coming dystopian dictatorship.
ConsequenceKnown4012@reddit
They do well. More and more they put bots to influence publuc opinion...
Iterative_Ackermann@reddit
I am one of the lucky ones to have experienced online anonymity, and I value it immeensly. Anonymity is a complete lie now. It is extremely easy for your government to track you. Perversely, it is even easier for google and meta and other big tech to track you.
So in a very roundabout way, I support "banning" of online anonymity by the governments. It is better that everyone is aware that they are NOT anonymous, since they already are not. It forces people to learn about and use when necessarry secure privite vpns, onion routers etc.
FuelTheRadiance@reddit
I don't think making the internet even less free is a move in the right direction. Like, our goal is to maximize our freedom, not to reduce hypocrisy. Just because a cashier at a shop actually just wants to be done with me and is smiling performatively, doesn't mean I want her to not smile. I'd rather she be forced.
I find it odd that you would both acknowledge there's no freedom but then suggest VPNs are the answer. VPNs aren't all the same and the average consumer using a VPN would be as exposed as normal without it.
Iterative_Ackermann@reddit
My point is the government and big tech can track us regardless of what they say. Our digital footprint is too big, and one can even be recognized from a few sentences. So it is better that everyone is aware that anonymity is not a thing. Going with your analogy, many people are under the wrong impression that the cashier smiles because they like their customers.
About VPNs, I run a private vpn server for my family only. All traffic between the VPN server and me is encrypted. I am still exposed, as in my identity leaks by my actions. But the win is that, I cannot be prosecuted politically with proof. If my government wants to accuse me, they have to file a criminal case with a EU country. I don't think they will succeed without accusing me of a real major crime like terrorism. I don't mind that EU country to track me, because they have no physical or legal access to me, again, unless they file a legal complaint against me through my government for a serious crime.
FuelTheRadiance@reddit
But the point of the analogy is that I still want the cashier to smile, just like I still want my not-fully-anonymous anonymity. If you just want people to be informed then there can be better ways. And besides, most of them probably are informed that they're tracked and monitored at this point. But again, I think looking at Facebook just shows that most people don't see putting their real name down and saying crazy shit as problematic. So I'm not sure it would even do anything.
Plus, if I really wanted to, I could make another argument too, which is that it might be better for the collective that a few clueless people say what we're all thinking and then get fucked than that no one say anything. This has a higher chance of provoking political instability compared to just having anonymity erased, which would, at best, just lead to people self-policing.
HonestDefinition4309@reddit
I have no opinion 💗
Pirate-parrot@reddit
Fuck this shit. Like if there's a serious crime it's fine tontrace the IP or device address, otherwise anonymity on the Internet is vital for free speech.
FuelTheRadiance@reddit
It's obviously important. Of course all you have to do is go to Twitter for a minute to think it'd be a good idea, because all the responses are such low-effort slop. It feels like it would be better if everyone had to prove their identity. But then you can also go to Facebook for a minute and see the exact opposite, that it does fuck all.
So, no, I don't think anonymity needs to be banned. But I do think we need to have stringent laws in place that force these fuckers to police their platforms. Like, the fact that X isn't banned in Europe is crazy to me. I'd ban it instantly. It's entirely made up of bots or third worlders pretending to be American or European to make money with bait.
And when it's that bad, you can either assume there's zero competency or that they actively want things to be like this. Either way, I'd make it bannable, and I'd only give it the greenlight once it has fixed these issues.
MardukPainkiller@reddit
Like they banned piracy lmao... Boomers will be boomers.