Repairable E-Bike recommendations
Posted by Outside_Campaign9581@reddit | ebikes | View on Reddit | 16 comments
I am looking for my first e-bike. I know a lot about conventional bicycles and I service and repair my bicycle myself since over ten years.
When I started to look for an e-bike I noticed that almost every bike has very specialized components and integral designs that makes you rely on specific replacement parts and specialized tools.
But I want to service and repair my bike for the next ten years and do everything by myself.
What do I have to look for when buying a new bike (motor/battery etc)
What brands can you recommend?
I am living in germany.
Thanks!
Zentransit@reddit
If you're that tech savvy then just buy a kit and attach the motor to a familiar bike! 😊
ggezboye@reddit
Buy a regular MTB whichever price you can afford. Preferably having disc brakes.
Buy Mid-drive kit from Bafang, Tongsheng, CYC, or whichever kit you like.
Assemble.
Repairability would be the highest if you can DIY your ebike.
_KeepOnTrucking_@reddit
Non-integrated battery and controller are the key.
Bafang motors are easily reparable.
Everything else is just a bicycle.
After-Tomatillo-6426@reddit
If you are into diy: bafang bbs motors are very durable and rapairable, parts are widly available due to their popularity.
Outside_Campaign9581@reddit (OP)
Do you know if this motor legal in germany? Limited to 25 km/h
After-Tomatillo-6426@reddit
Dependanon the version, you can get the 250w version, that is legal. I am in germany too and i have the 750w version. As long as you limit your speed to about 25 nobody cares. But dont put a throttle on, that looks too suspicious.
ConditionTall1719@reddit
The EU regulations did not at all fix the right to repair for these vehicles for these vehicles because it is full of holes for example proprietary software is not allowed but they are still allowed to seal everything closed so it's not possible to get inside and lots of stuff like that and they're allowed to make different elements I'm not backwards compatible with previous models so you might be able to get parts for the motor but you can get a new display or a new battery which can speak with the software... The state of EU right to repair is currently abominable just like the US.
ConditionTall1719@reddit
I was just researching that because it occurred to me that buying a secondhand ebike would be crazy given to those engineered obsolescence and the first query I did said... The amount of engineered obsolescence in e-bike motors from big brands is significant, .
Here is the breakdown of how this problem appears across the industry:
· Closed-System Ecosystems: Brands like Bosch and Shimano use proprietary software, meaning you cannot service the motor yourself. Many repairs require a certified dealer with special diagnostic tools, effectively locking out independent mechanics. · Proprietary & Discontinued Parts: Motors often use unique mounting points, wiring, and displays that are incompatible with other brands. When a motor is discontinued, manufacturers typically stop supplying spare parts after 5-10 years (if that long), effectively scrapping the whole bike. · Non-Repairable Designs: Many motors are glued or riveted shut, preventing basic maintenance like bearing replacement. Some models use proprietary software that can't be reset, forcing a full replacement rather than a simple fix. · Real-World Failure Rates: In a poll of 817 e-bike owners in Norway (where 5-year warranties are common), 1 in 4 motors had been replaced under warranty. Bosch had the lowest failure rate (22%), followed by Shimano (28%), and Brose (32%). Techs report Brose warranties "fast because the failure rate is so high".
🛠️ Exceptions: Brands that buck the trend
Not all brands design for obsolescence. A growing "right-to-repair" movement favors motors that can be serviced:
· Yamaha and Bafang are often cited as more repairable, with independent shops able to source internal spare parts like bearings and gears. · Bosch and Brose (Specialized) are the most repairable among the "big three"; however, this often relies on third-party specialists (e.g., eBike Motor Centre) as manufacturers restrict official parts access.
💡 How to avoid buying an "obsolescent" motor
If you want a bike that lasts, focus on repairability and industry standardization:
· Pick the Right Brand: Prioritize Bosch or Yamaha for the best long-term support and parts availability. Avoid Shimano if longevity is your primary concern. · Check for "Open" Systems: Look for motors that can be "rebuilt" (bearing changes, gear swaps) by third-party specialists. · Service Network: Buy from a brand with a robust local dealer network (like Bosch), as they are more likely to stock parts for older motors. · Watch the Clock: Be aware of your warranty period and the estimated lifespan of the battery (usually 3-5 years). Factor in the cost of a new battery (often £500-£1000) into your ownership plan.
Ultimately, while the industry lacks transparency, the move toward repairability is gaining traction. The best strategy is to proactively choose a motor known for serviceability.
Would you like to know which current e-bike models use the most easily repairable motors?
Salemsara@reddit
I’d avoid cheap fully integrated hub motor bikes or no-name systems. They are usually the ones that become disposable when something small breaks.
Lumpensamler@reddit
Bosch Mittelmotor Standardmodell mit Wechselakku wäre eine gute Basis. Dann kommst du auf jeden Fall an Ersatzteile. Das abnehmbare Display ist verklebt und der Akku darin verlötet aber mit etwas Mut bekommt man auch die Repariert.
BastianHill@reddit
True. You can even buy revision kits for these motors with new gears and bearings. There's a lot available. Also, there are a lot of battery repair video's on YT for Bosch.
The only thing I don't like is you'll need a computer with certified account to delete and reset stuff like fault codes. Luckily my bike shop out-programmed the service warning, otherwise you're stuck to your bike shop as well. Also, when I were to replace a part, I have to "reassign" this to my bike by computer.
So, don't buy Bosch Smart if you want to do a lot yourself, go one generation older.
arenablanca@reddit
I'd stick with the larger brand names that were making bicycles before they made ebikes. Look at the 250W mid drives from those companies like Gazelle, R&M, Trek, Cannondale etc).
My first ebike (a BH bike with Panasonic motor) lasted 12 yrs and about 60,000Km. It was 99% just ordinary mechanical bicycle parts you buy off the shelf. The chainring was very proprietary but I could still find replacements online 10yrs after I bought the bike. My new ebike drivetrain looks much more ordinary now. My first battery lasted 8 yrs and I could have bought a new one at 8yrs but I had new cells put in it instead. The motor lasted 12yrs and that was the end of life for it, new bike time. The motor was sealed and not repairable - owners manual estimated a 10 to 20 year lifespan. I think the fact I bought from older established companies ensured they carried the parts I needed for many yrs after.
My new ebike is a Norco with a Shimano motor and I'm hoping it lasts about the same.
Duct_TapeOrWD40@reddit
Converted Ebikes are generally more repairable. Especially if small workshops makes the conversion in a "semi standardised" way.
Their selection of batteries, motors etc makes sure you can replace either the failing component, or upgrade if the part isn't available anymore.
Tera_technology@reddit
you can buy a drive kit ,then make the frame yourself .
VeJet5921@reddit
From a repairability standpoint, Bosch is basically the safe bet in Europe because of long-term support and reliability.
whot3v3r@reddit
If you want to repair yourself your ebike, buy a good quality bike and make it electric, for example with a TSDZ mid motor kit bought from pswpower.