Southwest “Independence One” new livery unveiled today. America 250 / 1776 theme (📸Credit: Southwest Airlines)
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ElNole79@reddit
Got to fly on her today. PHL - MDW. We were the second flight to fly her. They made it a VERY big deal. Very cool.
uniquepro3@reddit
I like it!
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Desutor@reddit
Engine Livery looks like an EU flag
ChocolateChingus@reddit
Its got 13 stars instead of 12.
Though its kind of funny that the 13 star US flag predates the EU one instead of the other way around.
USA_A-OK@reddit
I mean the EU as an organisation is a baby in comparison to the US, so not really?
LupineChemist@reddit
People have this idea of the US as a young country. But it's really not. It's older than most countries in Europe.
And as a consistent political system, it's pretty damned old. I think largely because of being spawned by the UK, people think that's it's not that old, but that's a massive outlier there, too.
_hlvnhlv@reddit
I'm sorry, what?
cat_prophecy@reddit
Well countries we think of as having always existed like Germany, Italy, Greece, Spain really are not that old. They were all only unified from separate kingdoms in the late 1800s.
FrustratedPCBuild@reddit
Germany and Italy, you can have. Greece was an Ottoman territory but it was still Greece, Spain has been around since the 15th century. Most other European countries are over a thousand years old, although their borders have changed.
TheCrewChicks@reddit
And how many have a form of government that's the same as it was 250 years ago?
FrustratedPCBuild@reddit
What difference does that make? It doesn’t make it a different country. It’s OK to admit you’re wrong.
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LupineChemist@reddit
I mean, Spain has existed since the late 15th century, but as a single polity really since the Habsburgs took a hike in 1711, so why I didn't count it.
LupineChemist@reddit
Yes
Italy, Belgium, Germany, Czechia, Norway, Slovakia, Poland, Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania (ok, we can get into weird stuff as Polish Lithuanian commonwealth but it was dissolved and subsumed into Russian Empire), Belarus, Ukraine, Romania, Moldova, Bulgaria, Greece, Albania, N Macedonia, Montenegro, Kosovo (if we're counting it as a country), Serbia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Croatia, Slovenia. (Hungary and Austria are a bit more complicated, I'd say Hungary should be on the list while Austria shouldn't but regardless)
All of those countries exist as countries AFTER the foundation of the USA.
So yeah.
Never mind all the countries in Asia, Africa and the rest of the Americas.
I maintain, the US is an older country relative to most.
Kojetono@reddit
Just because the current iteration of a country is young doesn't make the country young.
In the case of Poland, there is a continuous national identity since 966.
_hlvnhlv@reddit
I didn't even bothered to reply, like, he included greece and "most of asia and africa"
Like, yeah, what the f...
LupineChemist@reddit
I specifically said as countries. I didn't say as societies.
So yeah. If you want to be angry about something I didn't say, go for it. But the country we currently know of as Greece was formed in 1830 when they beat the Ottomans.
It was never a single coherent country prior to that as it was a bunch of city states until it got conquered by Rome and then stayed as part of the Eastern Emprire until conquered by the Ottomans from whom they gained independence.
And yeah, most of Africa formed as national countries in the 1960s.
_hlvnhlv@reddit
Look, I absolutely hate russia, but it's a good example
Russia is only 35 years old then, right?
Like, the Soviet Union dissolved, it was another country, and before that, we have the Russian Empire with the zars and stuff.
That one doesn't count?
Or China, if you look at their history, it can be resumed as "a warlord did a coup of something, 50M people died, now the whatever dinasty was formed, or it was fragmented into seven territories", every 50 years...
Like, I'm Spanish, I think that you too? Or at least from America.
We can read the Quixote (400 years old, more or less), and the Don Juan Tenorio (170 years old) with no issues at all.
Heck, we can read stuff from when America was "discovered" with reasonable ease.
But Spain "only exists for 40 years, as before it was a dictatorship"...
That's a weird hill to die on, like yes, the modern iteration of Spain is pretty new, but the same can be said of anything, things change over time, and a lot.
It's like saying that Syria is one or two years old, same with Afghanistan, the government is, but the country is not
LupineChemist@reddit
I specifically made differences between countries, and polities. And a language isn't a country. Yes, I'm Spanish and American, but that doesn't mean I'm Venezuelan or Australian, even though they are the same languages.
And you'll notice I didn't count Russia because I would say the USSR was a project of Russian imperialism even if it had a different name. I didn't count Spain either since I'd put that at either the Catholic Kings or 1714 of the war of succession.
I also wouldn't include China, but like I'd absolutely include India in that, as it was a bunch of divided factions and not a single entity as India until the British came.
I can read things from the US from 1620, that doesn't make the US that old.
Like things have start dates for when they become single organizations.
But more importantly, even in the case of Spain, most people just didn't think of themselves as "Spanish" until the 1700s. It was you were from Burgos, you hated the people from Miranda and you never thought about anyone else.
LupineChemist@reddit
In some cases. In others it's a lot more modern than people think. Like Italian identity as Italy is definitely newer than the US.
And I'm going to push back that there was a continuous national identity. Nationalism isn't that old. It's hard for people today to imagine a time before it because it's so internalized for how we think about the world, but the whole rise of a national identity as such is a much more 18th and 19th century thing that came with much higher literacy rates.
It became and idea that just sort of spread around and was part of the American Revolution, Spanish American Revolutions, French Revolution, Risorgimento, etc...
_hlvnhlv@reddit
Spanish is a nationality, not in America...
It's like saying the British revolution in Africa, I honestly have no idea of what are you even talking about, the Spanish civil war in the 30s? Maybe?
LupineChemist@reddit
It was referring to the Spanish Americas.
You know like how Canada was called "British North America"
Now you're being deliberately obtuse.
Pero bueno, si quieres debatir sobre la guerra civil española y su relación con las guerras carlistas y las 2 Españas de hoy en día me parece genial
_hlvnhlv@reddit
The mexican revolution?
Es que a ver, latinoamérica es grande de cojones, es un contiente, cómo quieres que sepa a cuál te refieres?
Ya te digo, entiendo que te refieres a la revolución mexicana y tal, pero npi
LupineChemist@reddit
Estaba hablando sobre el grito de dolores y todo eso. La revolución mexicana suele referir al tiempo después de la caída del porforiato
De la América española quise hablar de Bolívar, San Martín, O'Higgins, tanto como Hidalgo y los de Nueva España.
_hlvnhlv@reddit
What are you smoking?
WobblierTube733@reddit
American education system strikes again
Clemdauphin@reddit
older than the USA, in Europe, you have:
France
United Kingdom
Spain
Portugal
Poland (even if it was anexed by Russia, Prussia and Austria for some time)
Austria
Netherland
San Marino
Andorra
Monaco
Danemark, Sweden and Norway (the 3 of them were united at some point but it was a personal union
Switzerland
Hungary
LupineChemist@reddit
Great. Also, I'd add Russia to your list.
So that's 16 countries in Europe.
TIL 16 out of 48 is "most"
SuperFriendlyAv8or@reddit
r/confidentlyincorrect
NastroAzzurro@reddit
The tail is the Dutch flag
Desutor@reddit
This plane is European af.
NastroAzzurro@reddit
And tacky AF
dogpoopfruitloops@reddit
The only part that's on brand, they nailed that.
ConstableBlimeyChips@reddit
This is exactly the kind of over-the-top tacky-as-fuck AmericanFUCKYEAH stuff I can appreciate as a European. You'd never see this on any European aircraft, most you'll get is the orange KLM. Even the fact they kind of messed it up by putting some European icongraphy on there is just chef's kiss.
Waste_Ringling@reddit
No, if there isn't a bald eagle on there. I don't want it.
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marvk@reddit
To be fair, they didn't really. It's 13 white stars, not 12 golden stars, which is part of US history.
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CrouchingToaster@reddit
Wow yall have some thin skin
CrouchingToaster@reddit
Must be a slow day for yall then
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Groentekroket@reddit
Yeah people in Europe are happier and have more liberties as well.
No_Cheek631@reddit
Vind het ook wel leuk dat je downvotes krijgt voor die opmerking.. Amerikanen he🤷🏻♀️
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Groentekroket@reddit
Het is alles waar ze hun zelfbeeld vandaan halen. Voor de rest hebben ze het enkel over hun heritage.
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dont_trust_lizards@reddit
I'm seeing the Pepsi logo
FistMyBumpQuestion@reddit
We are so back
kgaviation@reddit
That’s all I can see with the tail…
sun_not_cold@reddit
Pepsi One
kgaviation@reddit
Yeah, the tail is giving France flag and Pepsi logo vibes…
WetChickenLips@reddit
That's the Betsy Ross lol
Familiar_Eggplant_76@reddit
But the EU ripped it off from the 1777 flag.
Tiny-Plum2713@reddit
USA ripped their design from barber shop spinners. It all evens out
AbeFromanEast@reddit
And the US flag was based on the British East India Company flag.
It's turtles all the way down.
Clickclickdoh@reddit
Common misconception.
The East India Trading Company operated no where near the colonies and their flag would not have been common enough there to be replicated for use as a different flag.
The US flag has a much more common origin, the British Red naval ensign, which was widely available in the colonies. Sew 6 white stripes on each side of a British Red Ensign and you get the Grand Union Flag, the first flag of the United States. Replace the Union Jack with a blue canton with stars and you get the modern US flag. A great many of the US revolution standards and flags started life as Red Ensigns.
enduserfeedback@reddit
France helped to secure our independence after all
ericchen@reddit
The fuselage is also giving deltaflot.
youlikeblockingsodoi@reddit
Should’ve left it plain blue.
NeptuneGhost_5201@reddit
Cool, now if only southwest wasnt such a sh*t company
XvX_Joe_XvX@reddit
ugly as hell
SeniorFlyingMango@reddit
Are we sure this isn’t American Airlines?
randytc18@reddit
I miss the Orcas
BluBadger00@reddit
The Shamu and Penguin liveries are a long time favorite of mine!
Gdigger13@reddit
Did anyone ever release 1:400 Models of either of these? I'd love to get my hands on them.
BluBadger00@reddit
Gemini and Herpa both made the “Desert Gold” Shamu livery in 1/400, I’m not too sure on the “Canyon Blue” models though.
good_gamer2357@reddit
I think JC wings did that recently
kgaviation@reddit
Literally my childhood
TheAgedProfessor@reddit
Turtles FTW! (though, admittedly, they're still flying... I just haven't seen one for a while in my airspace).
gabetravels@reddit
Seems like I'm in the minority but I really love this.
iuart@reddit
Yea
SouthernDudeYT@reddit
It's beautiful! They did such a great job on this one.
Shockwave2309@reddit
Tacky like everything that goes on in this weird country over there right now...
slogive1@reddit
Looks beautiful too bad it's about 20 years too late. Southwest is on its way to swirling down the drain. Sad
TexasBrett@reddit
Of course Reddit hates it. It’s a gorgeous livery.
TheAgedProfessor@reddit
Art is subjective, man. That means not everyone has the same opinion. My personal opinion is this is not a "gorgeous livery". And both opinions are okay. But to say "of course Reddit hates it" because there are a larger number of people who share one opinion over another is a wild take.
tla2001@reddit
I'd rather they concentrate on the flying experience than the livery. You know what I'm talking about if you've flown SWA recently.
FlashOfFawn@reddit
Gay
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Bopping_Shasket@reddit
Americans refuse to demonstrate they have class time and time again
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_hlvnhlv@reddit
Considering the current political climate in the US... uhhhh...
It sure is interesting...
And I never got the obsession with patriotism in the US, pretty weird if you ask me.
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skidsareforkids@reddit
We have this book, and our daughter used to pick it up and leaf through it regularly when she was a toddler LONG before she could read… Didn’t matter where we put it, she would always hunt it down and look through it. Years later she does like to read, but nothing heavy like that anymore
helvetica1291@reddit
Thanks for doing this. My dad gave me an iPod nano with McCollough's John Adams biography when I was early in elementary school and added the Wright Brothers when it came out. It was invaluable in my journey to really enjoy history.
jpharber@reddit
Love the tail.
I’m not really a fan of all the text though
Apollo_gentile@reddit
Reminds me of the Live. Laugh. Love. Wall art
KickFacemouth@reddit
Reminds me of a Three Percenter's coal-rolling F-250.
statikuz@reddit
Just needs a "we the people". Maybe they can sneak in a molon labe too.
Mekroval@reddit
Hobby Lobby vibes for sure.
CouchPotatoFamine@reddit
Sleep. Eat. Fly.
kgaviation@reddit
I think the tail is actually my least favorite part. Gives off France flag and Pepsi logo vibes.
Worshipme988@reddit
Oh yea, we dont adhere to that anymore. Surely we wouldnt want everyone to access the premium version of life.
Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness, is a right. Apparently, we need a reminder…
Maybe not in this font…and on this plane. Lmao. I agree its not great. I appreciate the sentiment
jpharber@reddit
I just would have preferred a more artistic or philosophical take on a 250th anniversary livery.
This just feels it should have a Bald Eagle with a Canada Goose in its claws somewhere on the plane. It’s very superficial, I guess is what I’m trying to say.
GuyentificEnqueery@reddit
Should say "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of not getting delayed for a fourth fucking time and missing my connecting flight".
lifayt@reddit
Remarkably bad, which is sort of surprising considering Southwest already did a decent America themed livery: https://imgur.com/a/aCsxWer
Flounder719@reddit
Freedom one is technically a 50th anniversary tribute to the airline
SheaStadium1986@reddit
🔥🔥🔥
CorrectCombination11@reddit
Didn't texas try to leave the union?
Sacharon123@reddit
God is that ugly.
Powerful-Movie-5549@reddit
Extremely tone deaf during this administration.
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RustyPlastics@reddit
Tacky and looks hideous. The more someone screams freedom the less they usually have
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LinkovichChomovsky82@reddit
What the fuck do those words written on the plane mean? Is that some kind of fairy tale horseshit? /s
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Shot-Maximum-@reddit
A bit too much
kgaviation@reddit
IMO, the red and white on the tail should be flipped so it looks like this instead.
TheDukeOfHyjinx@reddit
Pepsi tail
kgaviation@reddit
Exactly. That’s all I see. On the normal Southwest specials, the middle is red. It should’ve looked like this, but guess they wanted red, white, and blue in that order…
Alpha_Majoris@reddit
Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness... going south
SufficientSquirrel27@reddit
EU flag on the engine and French flag on the tail 😂
jelli47@reddit
Ehhh ok - but the original 13 colonies of the US also had stars in a circle. All flag design is very repetitive generally. (Spain being a notable exception)
_hlvnhlv@reddit
How so?
I'm Spanish, but never noticed anything special about it.
Ok_Suggestion_6092@reddit
Nepal flag is another standout. Everyone else goes for a rectangle
ABCDOMG@reddit
The American fascination with throwing the Stars and Stripes on everything is pretty cringe honestly.
redditthrown123@reddit
Personally, that's one of the best I've ever seen. That's so cool!
FjordFjesta@reddit
Looks like a ‘We The People’ bumper sticker.
CerebralAccountant@reddit
A huge step up from "Freedom One" (N500WR)! The tricolor on the tail is a nice little departure from Southwest's norm.
Bad_Karma19@reddit
Now there is a Liberty One that is an Max8 to go with Freedom One.
waltarrrrr@reddit
Missed opportunity to use papyrus font in all caps.
B_O_A_H@reddit
It’s beautiful.
dsaddons@reddit
Cringe
RafaelWanderpfad@reddit
"Photoshop is my passion"
masteroffdesaster@reddit
damn they went all in
looks amazing
carpetsoop@reddit
That’ll be an additional $1776 for seat selection
Ultimate_Mango@reddit
Still not going to fly them any more. They’d gotten so, so bad.
Nice livery though if you’re into that specific vibe.
indianmcflyer@reddit
Damn that is awesome
Terrible_Toaster@reddit
At least they didn't renumber it N4547T
enduserfeedback@reddit
Hopefully they won’t fly it upside down.
enduserfeedback@reddit
can it fly upside down? /s
blastcage@reddit
Way too busy, writing more than the name of the airline looks like shit on a livery, and way too much blue. Ugly as shit.
JC2535@reddit
They should keep that livery afterwards and drop the text.
Petr0vitch@reddit
yeah, I love the colours but the text is a bit much
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ItsReallyLebron@reddit
This colorway sucks ngl
Clear_Engineer_5239@reddit
it's not perfect but I really like it actually
jelli47@reddit
I really like it too!
MotorEnthusiasm@reddit
Add me to this list
Handlesmcgee@reddit
Not my favorite but better than it could have been like the dark blue and font on the date and name
Hot_Net_4845@reddit
N1776R has a history of being on aircraft with a special livery for the anniversary of the USA's independence. Here's N1776R on an ONA DC-8 for the USA's Bicentennial in 1976:
https://www.airhistory.net/photo/547287/N1776R
danit0ba94@reddit
Something tells me that isn't a coincidence :P
imme267@reddit
Southwests looks nothing like this ?
KickFacemouth@reddit
Is that a question or a statement?
Hot_Net_4845@reddit
/s
Though you could probably compare the actual livery to Freedom & Liberty One
Abramsmech@reddit
Damn that’s a sexy plane!
Practical_Fig_7655@reddit
It’s a bit… much…
maybeinoregon@reddit
Wow, that’s pretty sweet!
Thank god, there’s no other reference on it…
2DollarTommy@reddit
Southwest looking for bailout soon?
et_hornet@reddit
Not sure why everyone here is pissed off this slaps, albeit the tail looks more like Ohio flag than the Stars and Stripes
tango1857@reddit
Very 'Yeehaw'.
RosieN336FR@reddit
This is dope. Several years back I actually flown on New Mexico one by Southwest Airlines, I got so excited to go on one of the special liveries.
Sevren425@reddit
I’m sorry I just think it’s UGLY!
Bright_Broccoli1844@reddit
I really like this plane.
_zarathustra@reddit
Flag code violation
Helmett-13@reddit
That’s freakin’ awesome.
Both 10 year old me and current 55 year old me think it’s groovy.
MadBrown@reddit
Based
DifferentEvent2998@reddit
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Zcarp@reddit
Fuck ugly.
_pray4snow_@reddit
"According to Southwest’s own statements, the airline outsources about 80% of all aircraft maintenance — meaning roughly 80 cents of every dollar spent on maintenance and repairs is handled by outside vendors BikeHike. This is higher than the industry average, and the company has acknowledged that this use of outside vendors is “considerably higher than the rest of the industry”
PabloPicasshooole@reddit
They spelled "purfuit of happineff" wrong.
jelli47@reddit
Hahaha - we just went to the main Dallas public library to see an original print of the Declaration of Independence- and it took us a second to figure out the ffffff’s are ssssss’s
writingforlife_@reddit
Sweet! A little bit messy, but I like it.
WHY-IS-INTERNET@reddit
That’s political
AverageAircraftFan@reddit
N1776R has always been used for patriotic purposes. Maybe its political in the literal sense of the term, but get over yourself dude
WHY-IS-INTERNET@reddit
This sub is full of people who love to be sarcastic but don’t understand sarcasm themselves. Whatever.
Myusername468@reddit
So much better than the new Air Force One livery lmao. Mogged.
UglyLikeCaillou@reddit
Damn! 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
UglyLikeCaillou@reddit
🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
bonzothebonanza@reddit
Their most eye-catching livery to date!
biggerty123@reddit
That looks awful
ItsReallyLebron@reddit
Folks will love this one and hate Imua One lmao tough
Accomplished-One7476@reddit
just the opposite
imua one is actually beautiful and makes sense. the 250 livery ugly https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/s/9SSSoEVYA0
ItsReallyLebron@reddit
Agreed lol. This one is a bit too much to look at
Ready_Set_Stopppp@reddit
I’m so underwhelmed with the 250 celebration. I am not proud of this country currently. The 250th is wasted on this administration. It’ll be just like any other day.
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Mekroval@reddit
100 percent with you. I'll be saving my celebrating for the end of this administration. I only hope the Constitutional principles it's trying hard to strangle won't be damaged beyond the point of no return by then.
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quartermistress2@reddit
Yep, it's just empty propaganda now. We are actively, massively betraying our stated ideals on a daily basis and to pretend otherwise feels no better than north Korea doing this.
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SturmGizmo@reddit
The front of the fuselage looks like a Russian flag.
CaptainFrancis1@reddit
Beautiful
thejoeben@reddit
I like it
Darth19Vader77@reddit
They really out the Pepsi logo on their airplane
cruisin_urchin87@reddit
Tacky and cheap.
dinomax55@reddit
I like it
hereandthere_nowhere@reddit
They use AI to design this? Gawd its, gaudy.
Flyguy8307@reddit
Pretty paint job for such a crap airline!
doctorfortoys@reddit
Could have been cool if it was more retro, but I like the fact that it’s patriotic but manages to be unifying at the same time.
Accomplished-One7476@reddit
1776 and life liberty and the pursuit of happiness should be under the wings
viewable from the ground
Substantial_Point_57@reddit
….. I don’t hate it but, it’s not great either. It’s fine. She cute.
PozhanPop@reddit
Too busy.
questrush@reddit
Messy
OkMech@reddit
That’s freaking awesome
cyberentomology@reddit
8995 declared independence from the numbering sequence.
Fun factoid: N1776R now shows up first in an alphabetical fleet list.
223-Remington@reddit
Hell yea
Magooose@reddit
They should incorporate that red,white and blue tail into their entire fleet.
penelopiecruise@reddit
paint shop: oops i did it again
US-CabinCrew@reddit
Aeroflot 🇷🇺
johnqadamsin28@reddit
You did this!
Brilliant_Night7643@reddit (OP)
Southwest Pics Press Release
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