War, El Niño, Pestilence, and Famine: The Coming Shock to Global Food Supplies
Posted by wrongsideofthewire@reddit | collapse | View on Reddit | 33 comments
Mother-Grapefruit-45@reddit
the part that gets me is how fast the oil price feeds into food even before the actual shortages hit. brent crossed 111 this morning and thats not just a gas pump number. fertilizer needs natural gas. shipping is diesel. cold storage runs on gas electricity. i keep watching the european airline cancellations thinking ok thats flights, thats optional. but the same fuel price increase hits cargo planes carrying fresh produce. the food system runs on cheap fuel at every single step and theres no workaround for 111 dollar oil that doesnt involve eating less or eating different.
Johannes_P@reddit
This is how we see that we live in the Age of Oil.
notreadyforthat@reddit
So, of the horsemen, death is simply implied in the title?
Fantastic.
Johannes_P@reddit
Death is a consequence of war, pestilence and famine.
Slamtilt_Windmills@reddit
I always wondered about death, as the other three all entail deaths of many people. I think its the death of the world, i.e. sweeping gesture
GrandMasterPuba@reddit
They arrive in order.
Conquest leads to War. War leads to Famine. Famine leads to Death.
BigHeadDeadass@reddit
IIRC I think death was originally something else. I may be confusing "war" with "conquest" though
mangafan96@reddit
No, Death has always been the fourth horseman, and the only named Horseman at that. The first three are traditionally identified as Conquest, War, and Famine, but starting in the early 1900s, the first Horseman has been referred to as Pestilence.
BigHeadDeadass@reddit
Thank you for the clarification!
Deguilded@reddit
Death follows the other three . Conquest/Antichrist (often also Pestilence), War, Famine.
Jovan_Knight005@reddit
Its also known as Armageddon.
PessimisticHumanist@reddit
Death has been laid off due to issues of redundancy
Arctic_Chilean@reddit
replaced by AI
dooma72@reddit
A documentary focusing on the horsemen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fbvquHSPJU&t=177s
Jovan_Knight005@reddit
Famine is also being implied in a way.
Jovan_Knight005@reddit
Recent finished reading the article.
I'll share my thoughts about it.
To put it simply, as a consequence of the war that the United States and the State of Isreal are staring to slowly cause shortages of just about any resource that you can think of. From oil to fertilizer.
The 47th President of the United States of America Donald Trump, Prime Minister of the State of Isreal Benjamin Netanyahu and the current leadership of the Islamic Republic of Iran are slowly starting to bring the first horseman of the Apocalypse, famine to countries around the world as a result of the war that they're waging. The second horseman of the Apocalypse is famine. But people probably know about that story by now.
In short, we are screwed and there's nothing that we can do about it. I regret being born into this world. But there is nothing that i can do about it, can I?
loralailoralai@reddit
How the hell can people be seeing the word Israel every day and still spell it wrong.
You’re here sooking about how bad things are, think about how it was during the Black Death, during WWI or WWII, when you’d die from appendicitis or a broken bone etc etc. But no let’s focus on Donny and his wars
VeganFartsForever@reddit
Two countries are directly waging war. Another country is defending itself.
genomixx-redux@reddit
💯 💯
Legitimate-Being5957@reddit
I do not understand why we cannot use human/ animal waste as fertilizer. We are just wasting resources
War_Hymn@reddit
Because people in developed country are squemish about having their own poo or piss sprayed on their food. Thst being said, some sewage treatment plants do actually process their input into biosolids safe for agricultural use. But farmers are hesitant to use it for various reasons. In the US, about a million tonnes or so of dry sewage biosolids are used for fertilizer or soil amendment each year.
RPB1002@reddit
Just difficult to separate from whatever else was dumped in the sewer. Medications, cleaning products etc etc
OePea@reddit
I expect it was one of modern society's greatest blunders, chemically isolating our piss and shit
karbaayen@reddit
Interesting article, but extremely wordy.
clydethefrog@reddit
It's AI trash.
Remote_Pride_3388@reddit
Scary... I wonder why nobody in the public media in Denmark knows about this. - Not even small parts of it... It is mindblowing.
Jovan_Knight005@reddit
They're not talking about it in my country (Serbia's) media channels, mainly the one that me and my family follow. There was one passing mention of the coming El Niño two weeks ago.
wrongsideofthewire@reddit (OP)
SS: 2026 could see the convergence of several critical events and result in widespread food shortages and famines. The closing of the Strait of Hormuz has cut off roughly 50% of the world’s sulphur and naphtha supply. China has halted exporting of smelter byproducts such as sulphuric acid (which is used for nitrogen and phosphorus extraction), and India is prioritizing its fertilizer production for domestic use. These man-made disasters could be further amplified by an increasingly probable El Niño. The combined effect will have devastating consequences for global food production.
Ok_Main3273@reddit
In the link provided by OP, the section 'Pestilence, Herbicide and Pesticide, and how they are even a bigger risk to Food Security' seems to show that the writer knows what he is talking about (chemistry 101). And it is terrifying.
jaybsuave@reddit
scared the shit outta me so yea seems right
metalreflectslime@reddit
Thanks.
halcyonmaus@reddit
Quite the Jackpot, of the worst sort.
StatementBot@reddit
The following submission statement was provided by /u/wrongsideofthewire:
SS: 2026 could see the convergence of several critical events and result in widespread food shortages and famines. The closing of the Strait of Hormuz has cut off roughly 50% of the world’s sulphur and naphtha supply. China has halted exporting of smelter byproducts such as sulphuric acid (which is used for nitrogen and phosphorus extraction), and India is prioritizing its fertilizer production for domestic use. These man-made disasters could be further amplified by an increasingly probable El Niño. The combined effect will have devastating consequences for global food production.
““A Hormuz naphtha blockade is a famine mechanism camouflaged as a shipping disruption, because once the hydrocarbon-calorie nexus is broken at the feedstock level, the failure travels from crops to markets, and from markets to states, where they eventually land on people and their calorie requirements.”
This is my first time posting here so hopefully I did this right.
Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/1sxif2q/war_el_niño_pestilence_and_famine_the_coming/oin2kbq/