Marta Kos, commissioner for enlargement, says Albania can catch 2030 to join EU. Thoughts?
Posted by Strange_Status_7690@reddit | AskBalkans | View on Reddit | 259 comments
Speaking for Euronews in Albania, commissioner Kos claims Albania will start to close negotiation chapters in May this year, after Albania opened all of the clusters so far and has been in negotiation process since October 2024.
Albania provisionally claimed earlier that realistically it will join the EU by 2030.
Montenegro is up to join earlier in 2028, after all countries need to ratify is agreement that is currently in a process to be made.
Doomscrolling67@reddit
Just to make it more pale - attacking sovereign country, and supporting terorism...
Solid_Ant_3737@reddit
Which country did we attack? I might have missed it.
Doomscrolling67@reddit
Serbia.
bipolar1_baby325@reddit
We couldn't care less of your existence if it weren't for Kosova anyway. You can stay landlocked and keep having strong opinions.
Doomscrolling67@reddit
So?
Strange_Status_7690@reddit (OP)
I believe Serbia is not wanted and there it is, but still all opinions should be respected.
SOHONEYSAME@reddit
I (& vast majority of Greeks) prefer Serbia for EU over Albania.
True-Blacksmith4235@reddit
You repeat that 15 x on every post. Lol
Ujemegaz@reddit
Yes 😎💪
Fit_Cost_9304@reddit
Only mafia that's the only reason
bipolar1_baby325@reddit
Cmon, u believe that crap? Money is good no matter where It comes from, except organ theft tho.
Fit_Cost_9304@reddit
Yeah opening borders to the biggest mafia in the world very good indeed
bipolar1_baby325@reddit
The borders are already open for the mafia it's common people that can't access labour markets
bipolar1_baby325@reddit
Biggest mafia 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 State in itself is a form of mafia my man ;)
Fit_Cost_9304@reddit
It's funny how they gave me a warning for what I think about Albanians so I'll put it here nicely and this is only a few of those things the topic about the crimes are even bigger but hey I all angels 💀
Fit_Cost_9304@reddit
Sure it is but I'm talking about Albanian mafia but since you are Albanian ofc. U won't say much it's no different U ppl are like a plague wherever U go there is all of a sudden whole branches of families there with to respect to the other culture
LojtarnePension@reddit
Goshhh… the level of opinionated intellectuality here in sub from people that think this is the end of EU is astounishing.
Chill out! None of your countries was also ready to join when they joined. Albania is a country of 2.8 million people, and considerable about of them have double citizenship or dont live in Albania. EU can absord them easily!
EU enlargement in the Balkans is great for the stability of Balkan region itself.
Burlotier@reddit
The problem is that: 1) Not all people are ready to die for the EU . Not necessarily hate it but view other solutions as better
2) Albania should solve its drug empire issues
3) Turkey will use it as leverage to join . Even pro EU don’t like the idea of Turkey making claims about other European countries having Turkish lands or that Turkey at best will be politically too powerful compared to even Germany and France .
Good-Hand-8140@reddit
Drug empires are a feature, not a bug in the Balkans
Burlotier@reddit
They are feature mostly due to Albania having a high domestic and cross continental drug empire .
Good-Hand-8140@reddit
Serbia has one too, more so Serbia-Montenegro-Bosnia coalition. It a big GDP booster, and one of the biggest driver of growth (Belgrade waterfront). Not moralizing or condemning, it just is what it is.
Burlotier@reddit
The problem is that Albania wants to be in the EU . The whole topic is about why Albania should or shouldn’t be in the EU . Serbia currently isn’t discussed about entering the EU .
Also why repeat a mistake ? Taking in undeveloped countries or countries that worked differently proved to be bad for the EU . Albania doesn’t meet the threshold and it introduces too many problems . Putting in Serbia or Montenegro does the same thing .
Then again Albania going in to the EU will cause it to collapse faster
Fit_Cost_9304@reddit
I will tell U why because the Germans what cheap labour so by letting Albania in they can go and buy companies in Albaniaike they did with other countries that joined EU and now when shit went downhill most of those companies where closed down and ppl lost their jobs
lolzimcoolwow@reddit
Your country too (and others too)doesn’t meet the thresholds but unfortunately it is in the EU so albania should enter too
Yes,like greece did 160% debt ratio
Burlotier@reddit
Okay let’s agree that it was wrong that Greece joined the EU (in fact I don’t have a problem with it exiting the EU, in terms of relations Greece has good relations with other Mediterranean countries outside the EU and the EU doesn’t function with developing economies) . How does it make Albania joining better? Since we both agree that it was a huge mistake for Greece to enter the EU at the time then why should we repeat the mistake with other countries?
-MrAnderson@reddit
Because you are tightening, willingly or not, your relationship by sharing a common future.
The EU has guaranteed peace for her citizens for so long, we've been spoiles to think peace is just a natural phenomenon.
Read some history; every second decade there was a new land-grabbing opportunity for countries to go to war.
Martha_Fockers@reddit
We know we were alive when the last attempt at grabbing our land was attempted. It’s pretty fresh for us still.
lolzimcoolwow@reddit
Because more countries together in harmony is better than less,i don’t even know how are you ok with being and essentially isolated EU country
Ujemegaz@reddit
When i read your comments i get really excited about Albania. For a brief moment i believe we are so impactful we could alter the fate of the whole world, not just Europe.
Burlotier@reddit
It is important in that it is a proxy country in the hands of Turkey . The whole existence of the nation is to be a proxy from a greater power be it austrio Hungary , ottomans , Italians and now Turkey.
So yes , Albania is impactful and could alter the world by being used as a gateway to more Balkan and Italian areas for the Turks . By itself its only power is its geopolitical position, other than that it doesn’t have the population to support a strong economy or military, it has conflicting demographics and it by itself it doesn’t have any potential to expand with claims .
But in sincerity it is great that you feel good about the country . Other than that though do you have an another reason to like the country ?
Martha_Fockers@reddit
Albania is a proxy of Turkey lmfao WHERE DO YOU GUYS COME UP WITH THIS SHIT LOL
-MrAnderson@reddit
Most Greeks do support Albania's membership. Cooperating is the best way to solve conflicts, as Germany - France, Greece - Bulgaria, and do many other examples prove.
As for the geopolitical analysis of my fellow redditor, even if true in it's entirety, a similar analysis can be made for Greece.
Great powers' interests in Ottoman (and Russian) empires affairs was what allowed some dirt poor revolutionaries (many of them of Albanian origin, btw) to establish a new dysfunctional State. And strategic decisions were made at some point to join a common Europe.
Why would Albania's case be different? Turkey might be investing in propaganda (or I don't know what else as well) but so is Qatar, UAE and Saudi Arabia in half of Europe, let alone in corrupt members of the European Parliament.
Formal-Can-4168@reddit
I don't mean to offend you but you severely lack knowledge of Albanian society.
By far, and by this I mean the only countries who really have a hold on Albanian politics, are the US and Italy. Turkey is much behind these two, probably even Greece has more influence than Turkey in Albania
-MrAnderson@reddit
But I didn't claim Turkey is influencing Albania; I said, even if she does, it's not unprecedented.
Formal-Can-4168@reddit
It kinda is. The modern state of Albania didn't have much to do with Turkey.
The relationship right now are the best possible and still we can argue the west has much more say in Albanian affairs.
Good-Hand-8140@reddit
That's true. Only that it's currently an US proxy. Albania is exclusively a proxy of the hegemon of the area.
Ujemegaz@reddit
Keep writing mate. I need to read fairy tales so i can sleep well.
Burlotier@reddit
Good night and sleep well. Jesus Christ wins and scatters all evils
NetraamR@reddit
Why would anyone die for the EU? The entire point of the EU is to prevent people from dying, although I do agree that with the current leadership, we're far from that.
Burlotier@reddit
Die as in go out of the way to give up everything for the organisation if needed. Essentially most people in the Balkans simply don’t see the EU providing the necessary solutions for the development of the country. For instance Germany and the IMF promoting austerity upon austerity on Greece only killed the future than to actually solve the problem . Also the euro whilst stable doesn’t work as well with Greece’s economy unlike the drachma since Greece was on its way to become industrialised until pro EU parties took over .
The commentator claiming that “you Balkan people should be thankful for your growth given by the EU” only makes sense if you nitpick at the papers and ignore the wider history surrounding the “”growth”” . For instance Greece was an exception on the intensity , but countries like Ireland and those in the Iberian peninsula also faced similar economic problems.
NetraamR@reddit
OK, I didn't understand your initial comment, but I think I agree with you 100%. The EU has become a tool to turn the continent in a colony of Germany, the Benelux and to a lesser extend France.
bipolar1_baby325@reddit
3) what the actual fuck? 😆😆😆
What lands? I guess Russia should then claim ex commie states??
FuelTheRadiance@reddit
What an unhinged reply. Aren't you literally Greek? Didn't your country fall behind fucking ROMANIA economically? You seriously talking about people "not being ready"? By 2035, Albania might be further along than you are.
Nothing solves drug problems faster than a functioning economy that removes the need for illegal drug trade.
And Turkey will never join the EU, are you dumb? That fantasy (and it always was a fantasy) died in the mid 2000s when Sarkozy and Merkel made it clear it will never happen.
Substratas@reddit
Nobody in the EU gaf about that but Greeks. I’ve never heard one single soul talk about it.
-MrAnderson@reddit
Well, France seems they give some fucks.
In any case, the EU should be gaf, as Turkey is presenting themselves as strategic partners.
Which I wish they could be, but they prefer wet-dreaming about their empire.
Substratas@reddit
I’m not talking about EU politicians, I’m talking about the pro EU citizens (outside of Greece), like the guy implied.
I didn’t even know there was an issue until I joined Reddit bc nobody in Sweden ever talks about it.
Burlotier@reddit
You know what? If Germany and the Northern European countries can bitch about Russia then so we can do about Turkey. Especially since the latter has a considerable amount of population in said countries and is one of the few countries that has aggressive slogans against an EU member and uses human trafficking and immigration as a political tool for pressure.
Substratas@reddit
But that wasn’t the point. U are free to b*tch about whoever you want. I’m just telling u that not a single soul outside of Greece cares about ”Turkey making claims about other countries having Turkish lands” like you claimed.
The first time I heard about such a thing was in this sub.
rockswaytren@reddit
The drug enpires you talk about are not even built in Albania. They are built in eu or Latin countries.( Unlike Mexico or Colombia) "drug lords" are not in Albania they have managed to succeed in outside countries. This isnt an issue Albania can solve since it's outside it's of its power. This is like asking italy to solve the issue with the mafia in USA it's crazy
MartinBP@reddit
What the fuck are you talking about.
LojtarnePension@reddit
If you think Albanian drug is an empire, let me remind you of the Italians or the Dutch. We still are small and not perfect like any else!
Putrid-Banana-7428@reddit
> 2) Albania should solve its drug empire issues
There is no emphasized drug empire issue in Albania. I would rather say, is an EU issue since the business takes place outside Albania. Money laundering is the issue. Almost all the money are invested in Albania. And my guess is that's why EU has a problem, because money are not flushed within the EU system.
Substratas@reddit
2.3.
No-Search3016@reddit
They live in a different reality or dimension pal
schnitter15@reddit
No we don't! Get off of your high horse 😆
No-Search3016@reddit
I am personally not affected at all by the whole thing because I have lived 90% of my life outside Albania and this will keep going at least until I retire lmao But you guys are delusional for real.
Albania has no disputes with no countries in Europe only with Greece maybe but the relations are not bad and they support our European integration. Italy is a big supporter too, Germany, France, Spain, Sweden… everyone is supportive of Albania. Then we have countries like Austria, Denmark or The Netherlands but they (rightfully) demand Albania to do everything the right way before joining, they are not against Albania’s accession. Even notable euro sceptic countries like Hungary, Czechia, Slovakia have always been supportive of our accession. Romania, Bulgaria, Croatia, Slovenia are supportive. There’s literally no country in Europe being against Albania in EU, so what is your issues guys?
Nothing_Special_23@reddit
Press X to doubt.
bipolar1_baby325@reddit
They refused Poles, Romanians and Albanians to get invaded by Pakistanis and Nigerians. Sounds like a trade off based on their superiority complex. I'm happy they left eu actually . Now it'll be easier for us to join in .
Sspeeddyy@reddit
Really? How so?
Prince_Hastur@reddit
Because Albanian immigrants commit a disproportionate amount of crime in the UK, mainly drug trafficking, theft and pickpocketing. They are also the most represented foreign nationality in UK prisons.
This was one of the tools used by brexit supporters to scare older and more conservative people into voting for leave. They were arguing that if Albania becomes an EU member, UK will be flooded by Albanians even more.
Antique_Birthday6380@reddit
You said the same about Poles, not so long ago. Even worse things than about Albanians.
Knarrenheinz666@reddit
You are disputing facts?
Antique_Birthday6380@reddit
What disputing?
Prince_Hastur@reddit
You must have mixed me up with someone lol. I never said anything about the Poles.
Also, what is the horrible thing I said about Albanians? ?Citing statistics
Antique_Birthday6380@reddit
Well of course you need to find an scapegoat instead of blaming your politicians that your shitty healthcare system or whatever thing that works in your country is stagnating but yeah blame it to the Poles, blame it to the Romanians, blame it to the Albanians.
Prince_Hastur@reddit
Again, never said anything about the Poles or Romanians.
Also, if it's so horrible here, why do you come?
Antique_Birthday6380@reddit
Why are you ignoring my comments, or do you not like that I am giving you facts, that you are a hypocritical place and that you want to use everyone as a scapegoat, whether the criminal is Albanian or whatever. I can give you as many facts as you want about what you are doing:
https://www.manchester.ac.uk/about/news/prejudice-against-poles-blamed-on-media/
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2014/nov/07/scapegoating-immigrants-oldest-trick-in-book
https://europeanwesternbalkans.com/2023/10/10/how-british-tabloids-framing-of-albanian-migrants-fuels-anti-immigrant-sentiments/
Many Albanians who work in different professions, even in the most ordinary jobs, you will see that those Albanian mafia members can be counted on the fingers of one hand. But let’s waitc after a few years, Albanians, just like Indians and Poles once were, once seen as dangerous people who will invade us and destroy us, the integrated and working immigrants. The “dangerous and bloodthirsty immigrant” stereotype will be passed on to someone else, to those who are now drinking the blood of the “angelic English,” who do nothing but get drunk on alcohol and cocaine, and who are destroying the economy, and we will stop them from invading our glorious country, but nothing will be done, again.
Prince_Hastur@reddit
Hey man, I never said any of those things. But I believe you, it must be horrible to be in a country where they use you as a scapegoat while they get drunk on alcohol and cocaine.
So, why do you come? Surely there are better places where you are respected?
Antique_Birthday6380@reddit
For same reasons as you did go to America once, together with your Irish, German, French whatever nationality. Why would you stop people from moving wherever they want?
And how bad, now you’re going to start being ironic too, because you don’t have any arguments left, what a typical Brit. Not that I want to justify Albanian criminals either, because criminals are criminals at the end of the day, but it’s also not our fault that Britain has become a safe haven for criminals and the scum of the world. Why? Because it wasn’t from Albanians that you discovered cocaine, you’ve been drowning in that thing for a long time and you will continue to be like that, because that’s how you English are. But still, blame the Albanians.
Ujemegaz@reddit
The same reason English, Irish and Germans went to America in the past. Not because it was better, but hope to start new life.
Prince_Hastur@reddit
But did they complain about America?
Also, wouldn't you want to start a new life somewhere better? It's not very logical to emigrate to a country worse than yours lol
Ujemegaz@reddit
I am not saying it is logical.
Substratas@reddit
I wonder who’s buying the drugs…
Nothing_Special_23@reddit
Literally just Google it. But tl;dr Albanians are disproportionately arrested for crime in the UK, and pro Brexit parties were talking all the time that with Albania's future EU membership, Albanians would be free to come to the UK whenever they want, live off the UK, do crime, crime rates would rise due to Albanian immigrants, etc.. etc...
Ujemegaz@reddit
Tell us sth new apart from being tough motherfuckers.
Prince_Hastur@reddit
Albanian mob bosses from UK are literally tricking young people from your country into coming to UK and promising them jobs and better lives, only to make them drug mules and peddlers. Mob bosses are rarely arrested, but these young people who did not know any better will rot in prisons because of them. There is nothing tough about this. It's literally disgusting.
Nothing_Special_23@reddit
And to make it worse... those mob bosses usually aren't from Albania at all. Most of them are from Kosovo and have been living in the UK since the 70s.
Absalom578@reddit
Do you have to make it more obvious that you're a Serb? You're lying so brazenly. Basically all of these guys are from Albania and have been there since the 90s/2000s.
taxirata@reddit
Not true, most of these criminals are from Albania and not Kosovo. Many lied about being from Kosovo to be granted asylum.
Ujemegaz@reddit
You must really hate Albanians, don't you.
Ujemegaz@reddit
The numbers have already fallen, and the statistics are skewed. Every number is based on a 40k-50k registration which everyone knows is bs. Even i know that there are more than 100k Albanians, if not 140k as our government claims. North Albania is totally deserted ans many who had declraed of being from Kosovo are being filtered it will take time unti we know the correct number of Albanian citizens in UK. But your purpose here is to spew bs. Personally i am not concerned one bit It is a free world. If those youngsters are stupid to follow a wrong lifestyle, and prefer easy money instead of hard work with shitty wages, it is their individual choise & responsibility. Crime has no nationality.
Prince_Hastur@reddit
So, what you are saying is, fuck them for being exploited? I agree that all criminals should be in prison, but don't you think there is more context here? Perhaps the circumstances in their country are such that they think this is the only way for a better future?
Ujemegaz@reddit
Darwin wrote books about it. The circumstances are no justification. Most of Albanians around the world work two jobs to provide. This is a phase we will go through like Italians, Irish and all people did. We are not special, either for good or for worse.
Prince_Hastur@reddit
So you say they are idiots who are getting what they deserve, but still praise them for being "tough motherfuckers"?
You are a strange man
Sorry_Camp_5180@reddit
There’s a lot of illegal Albanians in the UK. Gangs pay for them to come over illegally and they have to pay their debts back.
They don’t have rights to work and the cycle repeats itself.
We can’t work in the EU freely either.
SansBouillie@reddit
"Albanians are disproportionately arrested for crime in the UK"
Why aren't they arresting other nationalities? Are they racist?
Strange_Status_7690@reddit (OP)
I believe so, Netherlands, Belgium, Denmark and even Germany are also hardliners for this, which means still Albania will have to make all the hard reforms, otherwise it will stall behind but there are positive news for now.
Competitive-Read1543@reddit
So how's Brexit working out for them?
Nothing_Special_23@reddit
Uhm... well... when you look at the facts, and completely ignore reddit comments (as you should anyways)... not that bad at all.
-MrAnderson@reddit
The facts are that, the main reason for Brexit, i.e. migration, has not only not been solved, but become more acute.
wrinsp@reddit
Copium
Substratas@reddit
https://i.redd.it/xpguvyxbbsxg1.gif
Antti5@reddit
Yet according to polling data, the British public opinion is increasingly shifting towards rejoining.
sherbie-the-mare@reddit
And in Scotland its almost unanimous to want to rejoin
Dreadscythe95@reddit
It is pretty bad, lol.
Competitive-Read1543@reddit
Copium?
DomagojDoc@reddit
Post-Brexit Britain (post-2020) has experienced significant economic, legal, and social changes, with studies indicating a 6–8% reduction in GDP, stagnant growth, lower investment, and persistent labor shortages. Ending free movement and increasing non-tariff trade barriers have created lasting structural constraints, while public opinion polls show a majority believe leaving the EU was a mistake.
Ujemegaz@reddit
Yep. They literallu asked EU to join back, and they were declined.
Ujemegaz@reddit
ThickCaterpillar9867@reddit
“Albania’s potential membership was one of the main reasons for brexit”
In what kind of braindead nationalistic news you get this from??
MartinBP@reddit
That's complete bullshit. Albania's membership was not seriously discussed in 2016. Farage demonised Bulgarians, Romanians and Poles, and was fear mongering over Turkey potentially joining.
Ujemegaz@reddit
If so, then EU should have let us join the moment Britain left.
Nothing_Special_23@reddit
And trade UK for Albania? Are they insane?
Ujemegaz@reddit
UK is begging EU to join back, though.
pitogyros@reddit
They don’t , polls show that people regret Brexit by a slight majority , but the UK itself as a country doesn’t even consider it.
Maybe in 10 years or so to save themselves from the embarrassment of rejoining
Ujemegaz@reddit
They can't rejoin. EU is not a cigarette club.
pitogyros@reddit
They can and probably they will at some point.
Probably they ll lose all the benefits they had though which is good ( UK was entitled to plenty exceptions within EU )
Personally I believe they shoot themselves on the foot
Ujemegaz@reddit
Maybe. I am just saying what i heard from reports on the news. Germans said so, and when Germans say so, they mean it. No bs.
pitogyros@reddit
UK is too important for EU and interests are switching fast so even if Germans were indeed against UK entering now ( which I’m not sure ) eventually they ll accept them.
EU needs countries like UK to be relevant or it will end up being a toy of USA / China.
We are already miles behind them and eventually EU will just be a regional power that will make ruling votes that everyone is gonna laugh at and ignore.
Ujemegaz@reddit
Uk was not in Eurozone. Maybe that is the reason EU did not suffer much. As for the rest, idk man. Europe can. Ot compete with either China or the US.
sherbie-the-mare@reddit
At this rate Albania will become richer than uk out of sheer spite
Ujemegaz@reddit
For shit and giggles.
KlejdiV@reddit
UK is, yes
Repulsive_Work_226@reddit
no it was Turkiye's. Albania was not on the table in 2016. do show any proof please
Antique_Birthday6380@reddit
I keep hearing more and more insane takes on this sub every day. One of the main drivers behind Brexit was resentment over EU funds going to develop infrastructure in poorer member states like Romania, Bulgaria, and Eastern Europe in general, as well as immigration from those same countries. But somehow ‘Albania = bad’ has become the default slogan on this sub, even among people like you.
Nothing_Special_23@reddit
That was also one of the main reasons (or at least excuses, yes). But Albania's potential membership was also one of the main reasons, yes again.
lolzimcoolwow@reddit
Well guess what UK will have to fucking cope with albania as a member
Ujemegaz@reddit
They are no longer in EU. They just want attention.
Antique_Birthday6380@reddit
That was one of the smallest reasons, and there were plenty of other candidate countries in the mix too, Serbia, North Macedonia, Montenegro, Bosnia, Turkey, even the Caucasus countries. Boris Johnson literally posted a photo of Turkey, not Albania, saying something like, ‘Turkey has 76 million people, Turkey will join the EU, great idea, right?’
So no, you’ve got it wrong. But as usual on this sub it’s “Albania bad” because apparently Albania merely existing is some sort of threat to everyone, if you go by r/askbalkans.
Substratas@reddit
Damn, I didn’t know we had that much power 🇦🇱
https://i.redd.it/ail4cb2ibsxg1.gif
lolzimcoolwow@reddit
That’s why it feels so good to join eu before those entitled superiority complex brits that are now begging to join the EU again
crivycouriac@reddit
It will be hard to imagine the level of emigration afterwards as Albania already had insane levels without even joining the EU
bipolar1_baby325@reddit
If all Albanians within Albania would emigrate there would be max 2.8 mln more citizens scattered in Italy , Germany, Austria and France,Spain. I mean Europe is getting illegals every day, wouldn't hurt to take some educated labor force who have excellent integration capability as refered to past migrations ;) . Anyway, I doubt the elders and like 50% of active work force would emigrate. So like max 1.4 mln people would be integrated in society providing their labour for the host country. Wasn't Europe old and in need of labour force? Here you go no need for doctors and engineers from other continents .
Ha55aN1337@reddit
For Slovenia it would be better. They come to Slovenia now to get EU passport. Then they could just go straight to Germany/Switzerland and skip us alltogether.
Excellent-Beach-4815@reddit
Why would albanians migrate to Slovenia?! It does not seem much better
Ha55aN1337@reddit
I don’t know, why do they? We have dual language primary schools in some cities by now.
Excellent-Beach-4815@reddit
Nobody gets paid that in Albania, you seem to be 20 years behind.The guys working in construction make the same wages as in Slovenia, which acocunted for spending are better
Ha55aN1337@reddit
I just asked GPT for official numbers. Those are the average and minimum wage for the 3 countries according to offical data. Are they wrong?
Excellent-Beach-4815@reddit
You probably should not use chatgpt, that's a start. Also keep in mind that a lot of salaries in Albania are paid cash ( a nero), without notifying the state to avoid taxes. I think Slovenia is still better economically but I do not think it is worth for someone from Albania to immigrate there especially in the construction business
Ha55aN1337@reddit
Well we can go to Kranj and ask them why they all come. This is not something we are making up. There is massive immigration from Albania/Kosovo to Slovenia and evrry time we mention it, someone says “why WOULD they?”… maybe ask them why they DO.
miillenis@reddit
Also, you are overestimating how many actual albanian citizens live in Slovenia. Most albanians there are from Kosovo. Never heard any albanians from Albania considering Slovenia as the new migration hot-spot.
Ha55aN1337@reddit
I keep writing Albanian/Kosovo for that exact reason. But it’s hard to separate, since people from Kosovo identify as Albanians here. Rarely do you see the Kosovo flag, but you will see a lot of Albanian eagles.
Substratas@reddit
Russophilia.
Substratas@reddit
Russophilia
Old-Cardiologist2853@reddit
Yes Hassan,sure.
Ha55aN1337@reddit
Surely you understand people don’t use their real names on Reddit, right?
harvestt77@reddit
Nah, we love Slovenia too much to abadon you just like that....
Ha55aN1337@reddit
I mean… what would we even eat after midnight?!
harvestt77@reddit
Well, not our business what you do when the lights go off 😂
Ha55aN1337@reddit
Literally only “your businesses” work after the “lights go off” 😅
harvestt77@reddit
Damn! I knew that knew something, not just trying to get some attention! Good boy!
Solid_Ant_3737@reddit
There is no one left to leave
lolzimcoolwow@reddit
I wouldn’t be so sure ,many of the albanians that wanted to leave have already left,and especially today with how economy is going,starting life somewhere else from scratch is very different from 10-20 years ago
bipolar1_baby325@reddit
I believe in the next 10 years we'll have joined definitely, so more like 2036
MyPlantsDieSometimes@reddit
Commissioner for enlargement is what they called me in my wild years.
NetraamR@reddit
Of course Albania should join. All of the Balkan should join.
Ucraine however, has no place in the EU. Not to start talking about Canada, that's preposterous.
Individual_Page3212@reddit
I don't see why not.
Svez1@reddit
EU and Balkan countries is like that scene with Neo and trainman
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SituationMindless773@reddit
Repulsive_Work_226@reddit
there is a big Albanian diaspora in Turkiye and some consider if they can be citizens of Albania. I assume it is not possible.
Fun_Selection8699@reddit
If you can prove your ancestry I think you can but the numbers in Turkey are exaggerated I think
Repulsive_Work_226@reddit
yes agree
ConanTehBavarian@reddit
Off topic here just cause I see your flair... I think I'll never use Turkiye in English
Repulsive_Work_226@reddit
why not?
MinimumArt8781@reddit
Only if the Veto's are lifted. There are some things that Albania will have to do before some countries will ever allow them to join the EU without using a veto.
Strange_Status_7690@reddit (OP)
Veto cannot be lifted if all countries don't agree on. This is not danger for new countries but for existent also, like for example Romania electing a far right president or prime minister in near future?
MinimumArt8781@reddit
We did not elect a far right prime minister or president and we are no where near in doing so. It will not happen. What could happen however is an establishment party like (PSD-socialists) to form a government with the extremists. It will be the doom for them however
No-Search3016@reddit
Albania will never be a threat to EU as it is the biggest supporter of EU and NATO amongst all other countries, while being also completely unbothered by Russia, nobody sympathises or supports Russia over EU neither our politicians nor the population. In fact, it is actually countries like Romania, Bulgaria, Slovakia and others that could be a bigger threats to EU with the veto thing. Don’t you know that Ed Rama himself proposed either a no veto for Albania upon joining or our veto power to be under Italian government responsibility for the first years after joining?
Of course reforms must be done (we are already doing this and everyone is working on this but it will take some time) but don’t act like Romanians are superior because it’s not like you guys are the most transparent and developed country in EU either. Critics from the likes of Germany, Netherlands, Denmark, France etc? Understandable, but critics from Romania? Actually it is critics from Romanians smh Romania governments have historically always been supportive to Albania’s EU integration lol
BarnaclePotential132@reddit
There is one truth for all of Europe, Europe becomes more and more radical right wing christian. Albania is considered as a muslim country. The backlash to even talk about Albania joining would be massive. The prejudice against Albanians and muslims is enormous. I dont see a future where joining is possible. Even the countries who joined "recently" wouldnt be able to join today. Europe has to many own problems. She is a politician and like every politician from Brussels she needs to repeat this because otherwise they would lose Albania to someone else and create problems in their own forecourt.
No-Search3016@reddit
I am Albanian and catholic. Many Albanians are Christians in fact both catholics and orthodox. Muslim people from Albania are generally chill people. Many many people don’t even really give a crap about religion and we have been living peacefully since forever.
My ancestors simply decided to pay more taxes to the Ottomans rather than changing religion others preferred to convert. That’s it, we are not Arabs mate! There are probably far more Muslims the metro areas of Berlin or Paris or Bruxelles than in Albania lol just saying.
BarnaclePotential132@reddit
You are absolutely right, i know religion is lets say "complicated" in Albania. But so many diaspora Albanias got radicalized and they are feeding this "its a muslim country" image. I have been on the Albania coast for vacation once (in Vlora), i was curious, Albania Albanians are fine. At least in the City and where i have been idk about the countryside. But if someone was choosing the people who move to europe he would have done a super bad job.. These ppl and sorry to say, especially Albanians from Kosovo arent doing you any favour. I asked this question so many times. I dont know why but its like you dont have anything in common with them.
No-Search3016@reddit
It really isn’t as Albania is a secular state, then you have Christians (both Catholics and Orthodoxes), Muslims and even atheists or non religious. We live peacefully and love each other Christians celebrate festivities with their Muslim friends and vice versa. In Albania you have Catholic Churches, Orthodox Churches and Mosques in the range of 100m. I can see that there could have been some people that got radicalised (heck even in Italy we listened in the news some 100% Italian guys that converted to Islam and even went to fight for ISIS etc but it’s isolated cases), but most Muslim Albanians are awesome people and we love each other just for the fact we are Albanians religion comes later for us.
I am glad you have been to Albania and you liked it, in fact our touristic attraction is growing and from an unknown country we are getting some recognition finally. The countryside is actually even more chill because most people simply left.
Nobody chose the people who left simply both good hard working and even bad people left Albania, it was the same with Romanias (here in Italy the “hate” switched from Albanians to Romanians for example, while now we both are the most liked immigrant groups) some were saying only criminals and bad people are leaving Romania, they were saying the same about Poles, Bulgarians and so on.
I can’t speak about Kosovo and Kosovar Albanians because I have never been there and I barely know anyone from there but they are usually NOT Albanian citizens hence they wouldn’t benefit at all from Albanians joining the EU, same goes for Albanians from Macedonia etc.
35BCx1405AD@reddit
Albanians are not “citizens” because Tirana Refuses to give out Citizenship to ethnic Albanians, because they don’t want to go to jail.
The country has turned into an overdeveloped tourist shithole, with the worst schools in Europe, crumbling infrastructure where people can’t get fucking water for 5 days straight in Vlore this year, and entire roads crumbling. No real plans fro industry, a joke of a criminal justice system with no end in sight, and more mercenaries for our Olympic teams, while Dardania has more MEDLAS let alone the more GOLD than you.
But you have the nerve to kiss some German ass and our the rest of the people down.
Typical Tirana intellectual.
BasedEmu@reddit
The important question is where they became radicalized… in Albania or on their host country that already have plenty of these issues?
New_Lab1831@reddit
Why are you getting so defensive over this? I'm also Romanian. The guy was simply formulating the most milquetoast, stability-focused EU opinion possible. I support Albania joining, and I don't personally think Albania would abuse veto rights for the foreseeable future, but this is a super common concern in the hallway of Brussels: small newcomers with a background of corruption having a disproportionately impactful effect due to mechanisms such as the veto right.
Romania especially wouldn't be a veto threat. There's too much at stake, and the electorate always leans EU first in times of political need. Combined with Brussels pressure due to us being a key node in NATO's Eastern flank, there is essentially no way that we would weaponize our veto right like Orban did. We are deeply embedded in the political and logistical machinations of EU & NATO; there's no disentangling that.
Finally, don't even try to put on this "you guys aren't even that different from us!!" show. Night and day difference - economically, developmentally - between Romania and Albania. You don't get to decide who criticizes you and who doesn't. We've been EU members for two decades. We may not be as developed and transparent as the Westerners, but you don't get to play this game.
With all that being said, I hope you guys successfully work through your clusters and join the EU family. A larger EU is a stronger Europe, and I'm a Euro Federalist. Good luck!
No-Search3016@reddit
He/she was basically attacking Albanian EU aspirations based on 0 evidence about the veto power and I simply reminded them how it is very unlikely as Albania has no interest in doing so in fact they even proposed several times to join without veto rights. Now tell me a country that proposed something like this not even Montenegro that is set to join soon ever proposed it. Orban’s Hungary would have gone mad if we removed their veto, I think it would be the same for Romania and all other eastern countries because it’s the only thing these countries have got to be somewhat relevant within the union and I myself think it is unbelievable we have this situation where even 1 country can block a whole bloc.
There are less than 3 millions Albanians in Albania today, most of us already live in EU even before Romania and other Eastern European countries joined EU. Most of us are already EU citizens and we have always been supportive to EU.
Romania is of course much more of a threat (now you are getting defensive on the matter), you are roughly 18M people and I do recall many many votes went to pro Russia/eurosceptic party during last elections and pro EU candidate won by not a large margin right? 🤷🏻♂️ Albania is a candidate state since 2014 and we have been slowed done already several times in the past even when it was not our fault (last time we lost a couple years because our accession talks were tied with North Macedonia who was getting blocked by Greece first and Bulgaria later), it’s not like they are gifting us accession and reforms are being made year after year. We need more reforms? Yeah absolutely nobody is saying the opposite.
My friend I have been living in Italy way before Romania joined EU, my family and I have paid so many taxes after 30 years that I PERSONALLY have all the rights in this world to “criticise” Romania on the matter because you have developed also by simply being in the EU and receiving European and Italian money (thus also part of MY money) exactly in order for you to develop and reach EU standards, so I don’t really accept criticism from other Romanians to be honest. It doesn’t make sense, again if it was Germany for example? I would have nothing to say.
Day and night difference my ass, it is unfair to compare them like you do. Way bigger population and EU integration for 20 years now, if guys were not more developed than us by now it would have been a total failure which is pretty much impossible to happen simply because Italy, Germany, France etc have been massively financing you and are still doing it. In this perspective Albania will even be less of a burden to EU because we will need less funds too 😅
New_Lab1831@reddit
1) It seems like you misinterpreted what he meant. As I mentioned in my previous reply, he simply said what most Eurocrats think about & discuss in the context of EU enlargement/integration. It was a structural observation delivered dryly, in a matter-of-fact way. It was not an attack on the capacity of Albanians to implement reforms and secure EU accession.
2) The context in which Romania, Hungary, Croatia, Bulgaria etc. joined is not the context in which Albania will be joining. EU politicians are more guarded around new prospects given the geopolitical situation in Europe & the world. The approach is therefore shifting towards prudence and cautiousness. You may disagree with it, but can you blame them?
3) Listen, I'm not defensive at all. I'm not deeply attached to the idea of Romania; since you like personal context, my family is Polish & Ukrainian by extraction and has migrated from the Republic of Moldova to Romania after the fall of the Iron Curtain. I grew up around a lot of non-Romanian relatives, languages, cultural influences, and I personally prefer Central Europe & Ukraine over the Balkans. I am simply speaking from my professional & academic experience (lobbying, European finance, IR studies, etc. I worked with & around European systems a lot).
3.1) To briefly reiterate: I'm saying that, far-right-leaning as the domestic political situation of Romania may be, the combination of systemic integration into European structures and the Overton window shifting Westwards means that Romanians have very little actual capacity to walk back on all of their commitments to the European community. We *could* theoretically be a threat, but we won't be one, because we've positioned ourselves such that we couldn't really, even if we wanted to.
4) Part of the point is that the discussion shouldn't be personal, since we would like to see Albania succeed, and this discussion is a matter of impersonal, structural constraints.
4.1) By extension, just because you're an Italian taxpayer doesn't mean you are allowed to draw a false socioeconomic equivalence between Romania and Albania. You may *personally feel* that this is unfair to Albania, but this is the hand your nation was given. It's not my fault or your fault, or anyone else's for that matter.
4.2) Additionally, all those EU funds would have been useless without relevant local investments, effective fund absorption mechanisms, and structural reforms; not to mention the brain drain and cheap labour that we've outsourced for many years, combined with the infrastructural & logistical consolidation that we've provided towards Ukraine and against Russia, so let's not pretend that Romania was just a luckier and bigger Albania. We are geopolitically advantaged, we had the political will to make it happen, and we were there at the right time & place. I hope that Albania will be able to find its niche within the EU as well.
No-Search3016@reddit
1) Of course it cannot be an attack on Albania’s capacity to implement reforms, there are bodies that work on the matter and give their reports to each EU country on whether a candidate country is making progress or not. The general idea is that Albania wants to join by 2030, it could’ve been possible if we started opening chapters earlier but we got blocked because of North Macedonia (not their fault our accession package was just linked with them), I don’t think it’s possible to be honest unless EU wants it for geopolitical reasons. In my opinion (it could be wrong but it is mine) Romania & Bulgaria as well were not fully ready in 2007 and joined mostly because EU finally 1) needed influence on the Black Sea region; 2) wanted Russia out of the way. Both countries would’ve certainly joined anyway.
2) I don’t agree with this point, back then countries joined definitely more easily in fact the whole joining process is now different from last times. Slovakia for example only negotiated for 2 years after the opening of chapters and also other countries were welcomed in 2004 all together. Cyprus was admitted even though they don’t even control half the country. The current context is actually helping Albania and Montenegro (but these are candidate country since the last decade) and even countries like Moldova and Ukraine which would’ve have never been in the agenda for the next decade at least. Before the invasion of Ukraine enlargement was really not in the table, Montenegro only closed like a couple chapters in 10 years and Albania was constantly being denied the start of negotiations, Ukraine and Moldova on the other hand? Weren’t even official candidates. Current context woke up EU we need as much strength and influence in Europe, the problem is yes EU needs reforms but it’s always the same story everyone says it needs internal reforms yet no one is actively proposing or doing anything on the matter. This also blocked Western Balkan countries for years.
3) I am not defensive either towards Albania we Albanians have no problems on criticising our own government and even our own people but frankly most of the critics to Albania in this discussion have been about the fact we would use veto to damage it (completely nonsense) or that we are a muslim country, how can I accept THESE claims?
So if Romania can’t be a threat to EU, despite we all saw the chaos of last elections and the interferences both from Russia and the current USA administration, how can Albania be a threat? It is impossible, we are a way smaller country, we have no influence, 0 links to Russia or China. As of now the only issue I can see is that we are also very much pro USA (I am personally not) but it’s an issue only considering the current administration. For everything else we depends on EU (both Italy and Greece defends Albanian skies for example) and we prefer EU a lot more of course. If Albania was part of EU already they would be less pro USA as a result but as of now they need as much support and investments as possible.
4) It shouldn’t be personal but some of the critics here were very much personal against Albania and Albanian people rather than facts. I was surprised as well to see so many critics especially from Romanians while Romanian government has always been historically supportive to Albania in many ways and are supportive to EU accession as well.
I am not drawing any equivalences I have said Romania is (obviously) richer than Albania but that is also because it’s been 20 years now you are in EU but it’s not like you guys are now entitled to shit on other countries just because you’re in EU and feel superior (not an attack on you here but some of your fellow countrymen seem to believe this). If Albania was in EU the standards would be much more similar to Romania’s.
Understandable, I still believe that you guys were greatly helped by the West though, of course you worked well I just want something similar for Albania. Albania in fact is being helped and supported by other countries too and this is positive. I don’t think it is wise to be against those countries that really want to join and embrace EU values otherwise you just push them somewhere else. When it will be time Albania will join unless is blocked by some stupid issues over and over again.
ThickCaterpillar9867@reddit
All the countries are being asked over and over again and again ,they cannot just put a veto out of nothing after having said yes for so many times ,if Albania reaches the stage of Montenegro ,there is no coming back.
harvestt77@reddit
Like what Veto for example?
apostolis81@reddit
I don't think that Albania can join EU even in 2090. The corruption and the low education of the citizens in this country never stops.
Substratas@reddit
I’d be more worried about a country still scamming the EU out of their funds, 45 years after joining the EU, than about Albania.
https://i.redd.it/yooop3bcasxg1.gif
Knarrenheinz666@reddit
That's exaclty what Albania is going to do. No more panhandler countries in the UE, please.
Th3Dark0ccult@reddit
My country is run by the mafia, but they let us in anyway. Corruption is not a deal breaker for EU apparently.
Burlotier@reddit
We are talking about “having a drug empire spanning from Europe to the Americas” level of corruption
Ujemegaz@reddit
Says the Greek whose EU commissioner took money from Arabs. Even oir politicians don't stoop so low.
Substratas@reddit
taxirata@reddit
Who, Italy?
Aulawabe@reddit
I don't want to be that guy, but didn't they let you in because of Russia. Access to black sea and everything. I don't think you was in any better state than Serbia is today when they let you in.
PaintingAble6662@reddit
Your country SANK the Euro. You got no place to say nothing; just sit in the cuck chair and let Albania join.
Knarrenheinz666@reddit
There shouldn't be any new admissions for at least two decades. Unless it's CH, NO, IS or the UK that want to join.
alkorisno@reddit
Only if they join a war in Ukraine like Montenegro
Komparativist@reddit
EU enlargement commissioner Marta Kos faces resurfaced allegations of ties to Yugoslav secret services
https://eualive.net/eu-enlargement-commissioner-marta-kos-faces-resurfaced-allegations-of-ties-to-yugoslav-secret-services/
Imaginary_String_814@reddit
https://www.bgnes.com/european-union/udba-targets-brussels-eu-enlargement-commissioner-marta-kos-linked-to-yugoslavia-s-secret-police
Lmao, EU leadership is beyond trash
Existing-Network-267@reddit
If Marta kos who is a nobody says 2030 it's prob 2050 or 2100
Substratas@reddit
As opposed to who? You? 😂😂😂
Existing-Network-267@reddit
As opposed to heads of state you low iq
likewisewhat@reddit
I wonder is there any chance that Serbia will join soon?
SOHONEYSAME@reddit
Albania? lol.
never.
Tankette55@reddit
Montenegro, Albania, and Macedonia will join in the next 5-10 years. Past that, I think the realistic eu enlargement has hit its limits.
Strange_Status_7690@reddit (OP)
N.Macedonia has only theoretical chance to join, it's a nationalistic country with disputes and needs to change it's constitution and historical issues, making it not suitable for a long time. For the first two, only negotiations, so Skopje is not joining EU
shortEverything_@reddit
A bulgar calling us nationalist
Bulgaria refuses to Macedonians to register organisations in Bulgaria and this is condemned by UN and European Commission of Human Rights see:
https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2026/04/bulgaria-violated-freedom-association-denying-registration-ethnic-macedonian
Respect our minority and we will but yours in the constitution.
Imagine thing Bulgaria is a gatekeeper of European democracy
time_observer@reddit
Hope not
RaspyLeaks@reddit
When the gypsie became a king, he killed his own father!
MinimumArt8781@reddit
It is precisely for this reason that Albania will almost certainly not join the EU if the veto stays, this behavior of yours.....
WorldClassChef@reddit
Nice, so Romanians are allowed to speak ill of Albanians but not the other way around. Romanians are very hostile towards Albanians in general for people who haven’t had negative history with us. This is the case with the internet at least, idk about real life.
Archaeopteryx111@reddit
Don’t listen to terminally online people. The Romanian government is pro-Albania joining and people know we haven’t had any historical quarrels with Albania.
WorldClassChef@reddit
Happy to hear that. I wish they would be pro-Kosovo too.
MinimumArt8781@reddit
It's the case that we have a different agenda.
WorldClassChef@reddit
That being?
MinimumArt8781@reddit
We will use you in order to Get Moldova and Ukraine closer to the EU. Basically agreeing at one point for Albania to join if the rest of the countries agree that Moldova and Ukraine should join faster too.
lolzimcoolwow@reddit
fucking DISGUSTING ,but you are saying this i hope the romanian politicians haven’t actually said this.Albania has been waiting to join eu for close to 20 years now
it is taking 20 years for albania (it should have been in even earlier ,together with MNE) and you say 10-15 years is not enough for Moldova and Ukraine …Have you seen in which bad conditions they are in?
30 years is not enough and you say 10-15 is too much
Strange_Status_7690@reddit (OP)
I'm from Balkan, not Albanian, but Albania has one big advantage over Romania, it's called tourism as the Adriatic and Ionian seas are great. Albania on a long run will be a good example of a country in the EU with boost in tourism, infrastructure and gdp.
MinimumArt8781@reddit
Yeah, but we have oil gas and an industry, can't beat that easily
lolzimcoolwow@reddit
Albania also has oil and gas ,inform yourself. industry right now is actually not optimal ,but there’s plans for it
It’s almost like albania has 2.4 milion inhabitants and bucharest ALONE has 2 milion inhabitants?
It’s almost like romania has been in the EU since 2004 and received tons of aid ,and romania has 20 milion inhabitants (10x albania),let that sink in
Strange_Status_7690@reddit (OP)
I mean your gdp is above all other Balkan countries i think similar to Greece and Croatia which puts you as a sucesfull country. I don't know about poverty in Romania and how is the situation for people who cannot afford but looks a nice and great development over a span of 15 years ago...
MinimumArt8781@reddit
Albania is in a pickle because we will most likely use them to get Moldova and Ukraine closer in the EU, it's not personal, it's just leverage. My net is that Montenegro will face the same issue before joining, slowly gaining something before they get in
No-Search3016@reddit
Do you realize Albania has no major issues when it comes to join EU (and we are working on those issues we have close with our European partners), while Ukraine is at fucking war and Moldova doesn’t even fully control its own territory?
Albania is way more advanced in the negotiations talks and virtually no country is against our membership? For Ukraine there are countries that are against it because of the current situation even Peter Magyar of Hungary clearly said there is now way they are going to support a fast track membership for Ukraine, other countries think the same thing.
Strange_Status_7690@reddit (OP)
Will Moldavia unite with Romania or no ?
MinimumArt8781@reddit
We cannot decide on that, it's their decision but we have to get them in the European Union before the Russian Horde gets the chance to grab them
Strange_Status_7690@reddit (OP)
I mean is it realistic this to happen or no. I have read on this subject also but seems unlikely to me as it's a operation which is very complex
Ujemegaz@reddit
As if it is up to Albania or Romania. France, Germany, Italy and maybe Spain might have a real say on the matter. I remeber when Netherlands used to block us, it became clear at one point fhat France was behind it and even Rutte himself did not deny it.
harvestt77@reddit
Will you change your mind if Albanians behave and start showing some respect? 😂
Teabx@reddit
I bet they will ask MinimumArt8781 in person when its time to cast a vote. This sub is so anti-albanian, it’s nice to have posts like these to remind me why I stop coming here.
But no matter though. Moving forward tastes extra sweet when you can down it with a glass of your neighbors hate tears
MinimumArt8781@reddit
Yes, they will ask us, when we vote for the local EU Parliament officials. If you believe we will vote EU politicians that will do something contrary to what the majority wants you are very wrong, and right now , ask any Romanian , it's not looking good for Albania. It's not a matter of being Anti-Albanian, from what you can see I did not throw useless insults.
Teabx@reddit
Except that you have no constructive argument for your opinion except for the prejudiced view of “Albanians bad”. A view that holds no water in the grand scheme of things. If the chapters are closed and the goals are considered achieved within the EU circle, your government will vote yes my man.
MinimumArt8781@reddit
Wishful thinking, right now what our country wants is Moldova and Ukraine to join faster, not Albania. Like it or not, we're still the largest regional power here. Our government doesn't vote on its own and doesn't decide over night who does what. If Albania is „bad” maybe they should start not throwing insults left and right and expect leniency afterwards when they need it, for the moment it's like a Chihuahua barking and something much larger.
Teabx@reddit
Albanians are just like other people. When someone insults you, do you personally bend over backwards for them? If yes, I am glad we are not like Romanians then.
You keep hold of your archaic opinions while having absolutely no idea of what reality is. "I don't want" is not a valid argument either. That's what a toddler says when they're throwing a tantrum.
At the adult table, you speak with facts and arguments. It's why chapters are there. If the chapters are closed and an independent body deems them to be so, there's no argument for saying "No". And Albania doesn't have any disputes with Romania.
But you keep holding to your hate.
MinimumArt8781@reddit
I've just told you, we will use all our voting power to get Ukraine and Moldova in the EU, selfish? Yes, but we have to do it as leverage. If the rest of the EU wants more enlargemt they will have to add Moldova and Ukraine too not in 50 years , not in 20 or 10 , ASAP. Ilyou will see when it comes to agreeing with Montenegro, will just to dlthis if the rest of the EU doesn't want Moldova & Ukraine
lolzimcoolwow@reddit
Moldova and ukraine which are the by a shit ton the worst countries in europe for corruption and wages aside from only Belarus( wow what an achievement )
While albania has had such a progress that it is unbelievable
MinimumArt8781@reddit
It is not about corruption or wages . Look at where Romania is in this situation and what we can do in the world we live in. In the case of Moldova it is a must for us, and in the case of Ukraine it's a matter of honor and dignity
lolzimcoolwow@reddit
Albania has romania’s approval it doesn’t matter what few online people like you think. As already explained “you don’t like this attitude” but the “ Romania joined fuck the others” attitude is fine right??
ZemlyaNovaya@reddit
I mean romanians not only larping as but also gatekeeping europe will never not be funny though
Archaeopteryx111@reddit
It’s mostly Greece and Bulgaria that gatekeep Europe in terms of eastern countries. lol. Romania is pro-Albania joining, regardless of what this sub says.
MinimumArt8781@reddit
Yeah, tough luck for us.....
RaspyLeaks@reddit
Every minute spent on reddit, is a minute that could be spent picking pockets... Said once a wise romanian man.
Dependent_Guard903@reddit
Dude learn to be less of a dickhead and not insult people if you do not want others to hate you guys.
RaspyLeaks@reddit
I for one, never have cared for the opinions of gypsies! Henceforth, opinion dismissed! Thank you!
Dependent_Guard903@reddit
You are calling romanians gypsies as an insult brother fuck off. Also, gypsies are nomads from India fyi. Learn some manners, maybe you'll get more friends.
time_observer@reddit
?
No-Search3016@reddit
What is the issues of Romanians people to Albania exactly? Romania has always been supportive to Albania and other Western Balkan countries, now Romanians acting like they own the EU? Lol
Teabx@reddit
You insult and expect grace in return. That says a lot honestly. Why do you expect respect when no respect is given?
Archaeopteryx111@reddit
The Romanian government is pro Albania joining, along with all the other Balkan countries. IDK who the people on this sub are but they don’t speak for the country.
Illustrious_Help_294@reddit
Jazzlike_Raccoon_651@reddit
Wait a minute wasnt 2028 the year of Albania joining why it got prolonged 🫣
ThickCaterpillar9867@reddit
Albania will join 2030,2028 was for Montenegro
Jazzlike_Raccoon_651@reddit
I wonder what they gonna say in 2030
ThickCaterpillar9867@reddit
It was never 2028 for Albania ,we gonna know for sure next year if Albania gets at the stage where Montenegro is then it will be done.
Jazzlike_Raccoon_651@reddit
We will see you must be a youth generation since you belive this crap
ThickCaterpillar9867@reddit
Im not young ,you are just uninformed for the actual geopolitical situation,Montenegro is proof of it
Jazzlike_Raccoon_651@reddit
Montenegro is a washing machine for money laundering.
And you talk like one of the countries from west balkan is in EU wake up peter pan
ThickCaterpillar9867@reddit
Croatia is already part of the EU ,do you live under a rock??
Jazzlike_Raccoon_651@reddit
Now enlight your self a lil bit my delulu neighbour
And sleep well dreaming of ur country in EU
But before you do that check ur facts first.
✌️🇦🇱+🇪🇺=🤣
ThickCaterpillar9867@reddit
Dude stop using chat gpt,it gives you wrong info and you look stupid to others ,you just said 2 minutes ago that Croatia is not western Balkans.
Jazzlike_Raccoon_651@reddit
Broski Croatia was 900years under Austria you consider Slovenia and Croatia balkan cmon iam speaking facts. West balkan is from Bosnia to Albania on south a shithole region that was under ottoman rule for centuries its the harsh truth and those stories about joining eu is nothing but giving ppl some hope for a better tommorow that never comes like cmon wake up.
ThickCaterpillar9867@reddit
You are not speaking facts,you are talking bs nonsense ,admit you are just ignorant about geography and geopolitics
ThickCaterpillar9867@reddit
Such a weirdo
Jazzlike_Raccoon_651@reddit
ThickCaterpillar9867@reddit
Do not embarrass yourself with chat gpt
Jazzlike_Raccoon_651@reddit
Man stfu really you want me to dig info from media just to prove you gtfo
ThickCaterpillar9867@reddit
It makes you look stupid but maybe you are
md_youdneverguess@reddit
According to Albanians, the EU might be able to join glorious Albania until 2030, but they have to put a lot of effort in it
CupcakeEastern@reddit
Siptari in EU,.no thanks
Substratas@reddit
2.3.
Dependent_Guard903@reddit
Best of luck Albanians, I wish you the best in your ascension! Stay strong, don't stop the fight! I believe you can beat the corruption in your country (like that scumbag Rama), as everyone in the Balkans should.
Aware-Dragonfly4433@reddit
and this is why the EU is dying a slow death, strong economic powerhouses forced to pick up the tab for micro-nations that are failures economically. Freedom of movement for low quality,low skilled workers from poorer nations helps to drive down wages for the population of the richer nations, and remittances means even more money leaving the economy.
HandsomHans@reddit
The EU is a net gain for it's members. The smaller states get investments and funding for infrastructure, while the bigger countries profit from a huge common market and better transport thanks to the infrastructure investments in neighbour countries. Workers from other countries need proper qualifucations regardless, so claiming they are "low wuality low skilled" is baseless. And they don't drive down wages, they contribute to the economy via supply and demand. Which obviously os sorely needed considering the birth rates in many developed EU members.
Same-Platform-9793@reddit
Even better
Mysterious_Contact_2@reddit
For en ex UDBA agent she is very loved by them