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My mum has been waiting over a year for an operation, is there anyone else dealing with the same thing?

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The-Ginger-Lily@reddit

I had to wait 3 years for an operation on my knee, covid got in the way which was most of the problem.
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vientianna@reddit

My mum has gone through a very similar thing. Years ago she got desperate waiting on the nhs, paid to see a private consultant and he operated on her the next day (on the nhs!) saying if they waited any longer she’d be paralysed. So the £200 fee was money well spent. Now she’s back in a loop of trying to see different consultants. Eventually saw a consultant the other day but the nerve conduct tests she had done in December hadn’t been read yet so there was nothing he could do. Complete joke
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Expensive-Emu-4840@reddit (OP)

Can I ask how you went about this?
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vientianna@reddit

They went on the website of their local private hospital - search Nuffield or Spire for examples. These hospitals will list consultants per discipline and what they specialise in. Then call up the hospital and ask to make an appointment with that consultant. Much more straightforward than going through the NHS. Most consultants work both privately and via the NHS and she got lucky that her consultant deemed her case an emergency that he was able to put her on the NHS cancellation list. That’s not going to happen regularly.
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Expensive-Emu-4840@reddit (OP)

Do you have to have private healthcare insurance to do this? We could afford a couple hundred but not much more
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vientianna@reddit

If you have private insurance you’d just pay the excess for everything which is about 150-250. Without insurance it’s about 200ish for the appointment and then whatever for the procedure which will be in the 8-12k mark depending on what operation it is. So without insurance the private op might be out of reach, but just having the consultation could be worthwhile
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PigletAlert@reddit

Complain to the hospital PALS, mention the NHS constitution which says treatment must commence within 18 weeks. If they won’t play ball, raise a complaint with your ICB as it is their responsibility to make sure that target is met. Don’t be fobbed off, be a pain, it’s the only way. If you’re struggling, the ICB are required to provide you with support to complain, have a look on their website for the details.
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BeatificBanana@reddit

It's shit that what I am about to say is true, because it really SHOULDN'T be this way. But unfortunately, you have to be really loud and annoying with things like this. You have to be very persistent and not shut up so that they do what you want purely to get you to leave them alone.  Example - if you get told you're going to be referred to a specialist, and to call if you haven't heard anything in 6 months, you don't actually wait for 6 months before calling. You wait a week, and then call them to check that they've actually made the referral. And if they say no, keep ringing back until they have. Th n when they say yes, ask for contact details for the specialist and call them to check they've received the referral. Once the referral has been made, keep ringing them and your doctor regularly, asking them how much longer it'll be and if there have been any cancellations. Pester them relentlessly. Keep complaining about how much pain you're in.  Sitting and waiting quietly for 6 months isn't the way to go otherwise things like what you've described will happen. The squeaky wheel gets the grease, sadly. 
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Effective-Bar-6761@reddit

I’d back this up, but point out that pestering/complaining can and should be done in a pleasant way. Lots of stuff in the NHS does get misrouted or delayed, letters get lost etc but that probably isn’t the fault of the individual you speak to. I managed to get my gallbladder off in four months from booking gp appt to op date, thanks in part to regularly checking online and making phone calls to check if there were any cancellations for blood tests, scans etc. On both occasions I was able and willing to organise travel on the same day to take up last minute cancellations and speed up the diagnostic process. But I’d like to think I wasn’t complaining - just made the point that I was actively in pain, and if there was anything that I could do to work better with their system, then I would do it. Fingers crossed OP’s mum gets a lucky break soon - it sounds terrible being in too much pain to work.
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BeatificBanana@reddit

Oh absolutely. I should've made that clear in my comment actually, thanks for pointing that out. Definitely always be polite and pleasant, just persistent. 
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Effective-Bar-6761@reddit

Yes, I didn’t think that you personally were suggesting being rude, but sometimes (especially on Reddit!) people need this stuff spelled out!
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Expensive-Emu-4840@reddit (OP)

Yeah I keep telling her she needs to be persistent with it, call them every week ect. Her mental health isn’t doing so good at the moment so I don’t think she actually is
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Effective-Bar-6761@reddit

I get that. It’s a terrible truth that the people who need these services most are the least equipped to get them. If you can sometimes be there with her when she calls them up - sit through the hold music, navigate the directions to new numbers, help with recording info etc, that might help with the mental load. It sucks, it really does.
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Experiment328095@reddit

Sadly the NHS is seriously underfunded and understaffed making it impossible to provide the service they should. The super-wealthy in this country won’t be happy until it’s completely dismantled.
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Low_Bandicoot2030@reddit

I had something similar a while back. Stuck on a waiting list for ingrown toenail surgery for about a year, then I found out my consultant had left the NHS and I'd have to go back to step one with a new consultant. I gave up at that point and decided to actually use the health insurance I get through work. I was expecting it to be like the American system, cripplingly expensive, but it was way better than that. I saw my consultant later that week, had my surgery about a month later, total cost for everything was about £1,200, but insurance handled all that, it cost me absolutely nothing.
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yazshousefortea@reddit

Arthritis U.K. have good support for people in your mum’s situation, if you haven’t already been in touch with them: [https://www.arthritis-uk.org/information-and-support/support-and-resources/online-community/](https://www.arthritis-uk.org/information-and-support/support-and-resources/online-community/)
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yazshousefortea@reddit

OP, sending you a DM with a support line your mum can try calling. So sorry to hear of her situation. I’ve typed my experiences below. - TWO YEARS FOR AN OPERATION I REALLY NEEDED. I suffered so needlessly and ended up going to A&E several times and even having an overnight hospital stay once when things escalated. One year of that was actually waiting to get on the surgical waiting list, so once I was on it they only ever counted it down from 56 weeks. This further added to the hurt as after that they always treated me like I hadn’t been waiting for very long when I already had a year under my belt. But 7 months of that waiting to get on the waiting list was down to waiting for one scan. I tried to get it privately but no one would return my calls to confirm they’d accept the private scan. Despite trying to call various people for months! So I couldn’t even speed things up by offering to pay £1.5k for the scan. Cue more suffering. At one point I complained to PALS and they came back and apologised because they couldn’t get hold of anyone for me either. In fact, they couldn’t even locate the office the medical secretary worked in to ask them in person on my behalf. They at least acknowledged how ridiculous it was. Kafka-esque nightmare. There is no help for you while waiting, and no mental support to manage waiting for a very long, but unknown period of time. This would help a lot of people manage their mental health during this time. Staff lied about waiting times at every stage of the process. Said a scan would take 10 weeks when it took 7 months. After around a year they finally had me in for pre-surgery obs. Could have told me then the waiting list for the actual surgery was still 56 weeks away!!! Another year!! Why don’t they tell patients the current length of the waiting list? Some staff, like the surgeon’s secretary, were so unpleasant on the phone I would cry when talking to them. They would berate me for calling, when I hadn’t called for an update in 3 months and just wanted to know a rough expectation of when something would happen - especially after another trip to A&E while waiting. Had every single staff member not hidden the truth from me, I wouldn’t have needed to call and ask in the first place!! So please don’t treat me like I’m the annoying piece of shit. I deserve to know the truth about my own situation. Now we move into a new calendar year, and after not hearing anything for another 3-4 months, I tried calling for an update. After calling the medical secretary and surgical waiting list team, none of the numbers worked. I got more numbers to try from the hospital switchboard. None of those worked either. Either numbers with answerphone messages saying it was an unused number or no one would ever call me back. Every time a friend or acquaintance asked if I had my surgery yet, and fed me the ‘Why don’t you try calling someone for an update?’ - I would feel more suicidal because I was trying so hard and other people seemed to think you could actually call and someone would answer! When I told people that simply wasn’t possible they looked at me like I was crazy or wasn’t helping myself enough. Finally I complained to PALS again, asking why no one would give me any information after 6 months on the waiting list, and a year to get on the waiting list. So 18 months in total. They were ace and for the first time I had a timeframe!!! Another 6 months wait but at least someone told me!! - Had the operation done after 25 months of waiting. I don’t hate the NHS - it’s underfunded. But I do hate the people who lied to me and were not very nice when I was only asking a simple question to get a sense of the timeframes. When the operation did happen, I don’t think they gave me enough information to prepare for it. So a lot of the side effects were very difficult to manage and live with during recovery. Presumably staff deliberately fob people off. I get that they can’t tell people precisely in case it’s wrong etc. then people complain anyway. But if they had told me things like ‘we’ve had you in for pre-surgery tests but the surgery is still around a year away’, I could have made different choices like fundraised for surgery to do it privately. (Cost 12.5k) So yeah, mental health is in pieces from lies, persistant lack of help, and stonewalling. Worst was the fear - not even knowing at times if I was still on the waiting list after 18 months of waiting. Was terrified they’d be an error and I’d have to do it all over again. Financially - Over 10k in lost income when my condition prevented me working. Had to live in a more expensive area closer to hospital to stay in the catchment area while waiting for surgery. But I was lucky. At least I could keep working unlike your mum OP who has now sadly lost her job. Unsurprisingly I’m now off work due to mental health problems and am receiving counselling!
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Repulsive_State_7399@reddit

Are you in England and willing to travel? Look at the NHS choices, right to choose and find a hospital with a shorter wait on the myplannedcare website. Then go back to your GP and ask them to change the refferal. My wait went from a year to 10 days. If you dont ask, they just bung you to the nearest hospital.
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Hammahnator@reddit

You have my sympathy. I've been waiting 57 weeks for a total hip replacement (I'm in my 30s, I want my life back and the body clock is ticking if we want children) after being told it was a 6 month wait. Still don't have a date. My other hip which I had replaced 2 years ago took less than 5 months on the waiting list. Same hospital, same surgeon.
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beeurd@reddit

My husband has been waiting over a year for a liver scan. 🤷‍♂️
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Awkward-Afternoon220@reddit

As someone diagnosed with MS in the last 3 years, I agree with a lot of the comments here. Unfortunately, this really is a case of the squeaky wheel gets the grease. It feels wrong to hassle overworked NHS workers but as someone who lives with chronic pain, you really need to make some noise about it to get any kind of momentum. Call and email anyone and everyone you can. It’s severely impacting her quality of life so advocating for herself (or you on her behalf) will help. If no one helps, contact PALS. It really helped me. I hope she gets the help she needs, and deserves.
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-myeyeshaveseenyou-@reddit

I’m on a waiting list for eye surgery to correct double vision. Been told it’s s minimum of 52 weeks just for the consultation
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Darkus185@reddit

I’m utterly shocked when I walk around at the amount of people wrecked, hobbling around.  Young people too.  I’ve never known a country so unhealthy, so beholden to a health system that just doesn’t work.  (I’ve never been to the US where I’m sure it’s probably as bad).  
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MaltedMilkBiscuits10@reddit

As someone who has quite a complex medical history..... You have to be proactive, send emails, call departments, contact the secretary etc The moment you don't, you just get lost in the system as a name and patient number that gets knocked up and down on a computerised list. You have to inform them if you are struggling, have new symptoms, a change of severity of symptoms etc. They can then reassess you which can change your priority if you are getting worse. Unfortunately, for complex cases like your mum, where there are several issues going on at the same time, it might be that multiple resources are needed from both specialists in spinal surgery and neuro surgery etc.
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Fit_Afternoon4604@reddit

I've been on the waiting list for physio since December. They phoned me today to ask if I still need the physio and told me it's another 22-24 week wait if I do still need it Sorry to hear about your mum, it's a horrible situation but the NHS really is at breaking point unfortunately
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ShoC0019@reddit

Oh it's a wait for sure . My 5 year old has a hernia by his groin.. it's absolutely huge and was supposed to be seen in early march... Be waiting almost a year for surgery.
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Key-Practice5213@reddit

I have been under the NHS now for 5 years and probably will be I am told for life. Lots of extensive treatment including operations cancers the list goes on. What I would say is follow nice guidelines and hold them to it. Email secretaries include your GP everything in writing if not it didn’t happen. Honestly, it’s been like a full time job navigating systems not fit for purpose. Find your own specialist ask for them through right to choose within the NHS. If you’re prepared to travel you can go anywhere in the UK. Remember everyone is in the same boat you are just a number. Shout loud and keeping going add PALs but they are overwhelmed to. Do not be afraid to escalate and complain.
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Fraggle_ninja@reddit

Would you be able to go to another trust area if needed? As you can request to be referred to an area with a shorter waiting list but obvs you have the potential travel 
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Fabulous-Platform-81@reddit

It’s awful, but this is the reality right now. The only way to function with the nhs is to be persistent and annoying. Call them often. Daily even. I used to be a booking coordinator and if someone POLITE rang me over and over, they would be the first ones I called when we got an unexpected opening. And definitely notify them any time symptoms get worse as you wait. Certain symptoms can bump you up in priority. (Neurology wasn’t my area, so I can’t tell you what symptoms exactly)
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PresentRelevant3006@reddit

I got some good movement by contacting PALS as was waiting 13 months for a MRI on my spine. By this point, had numbness in my left leg, foot drop, loads of symptoms. Contacted PALS, 2 weeks later they got me my appointment. Then, was waiting 4 months for the MRI results. Contacted PALS again. Results came that very week. Its a mess, but sometimes you have to cause a fuss to get things done.
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72dk72@reddit

Ask the GP to refer her do a different Trust, waiting lists between Trusts can be very different.
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