Do people in the US actually pay attention to electricity prices during the day?

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reyadeyat@reddit

You asked this three weeks ago. You are transparently doing market research for the app you're building.

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oIVLIANo@reddit

Really? You think someone with a username like that might be trying to sell something?

No way! /s

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Calm_Criticism1958@reddit

And he's asked in groups for all kinds of other countries, too.

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Shot-Artist5013@reddit

Not all homes and power systems are set up for time-of-use billing. For my house, whether I run the dishwasher during the day or the middle of the night it's the same price.

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I am in PA and our power company has time-of-use billing only as an opt-in, and they really only encourage it for businesses. You have to fill out a bunch of forms and have a special meter installed to get it for residential. I don't know anyone who bothers.

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oIVLIANo@reddit

they really only encourage it for businesses

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peequi@reddit

I was surprised to learn my local utilities had same pricing all day as well. Sort of assumed everywhere would do variable pricing.

Things like the pool pump run overnight.

Hot water heater is tankless, but it's also gas

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SmartEnergyDIY@reddit (OP)

Electricity is much cheaper in most of the US, only Texas can get weird on price because they refuse to tie into the national grid.

Also my electricity comes from the Nuclear Power plant in Monticello Minnesota. so its completely insulated from oil or natural gas prices.

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Beneficial-Guess2140@reddit

My rate is the same no matter what time it’s used.

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yyythoo@reddit

I’ve never thought about it

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QuasiLibertarian@reddit

My electric utility company in Pennsylvania offers off-peak billing from a couple electricity suppliers. Nobody uses that plan. It's not any cheaper, and actually more expensive for most. Nobody here cares about planning activities around electricity rates.

I grew up doing that. One summer my mom had a rule of 2 things on at a time until 7.

We have a fixed rate but during the summer the grid can get overloaded, so ive tried shifting washing clothes and dishes to the evening but that just messes up my schedule and stuff doesnt get done.

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ButterscotchOdd8257@reddit

EV owners often do. They set their cars or chargers to charge during certain times at night when rates are cheaper.
But as someone noted, not all power is cheaper at night.

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Birdywoman4@reddit

I use what I need when I need it. Have never joined the plan where you can save money by turning the air conditioner down in the daytime so it doesn’t run much and wait till after 6 p.m. to start cooling the house, cook a meal, do laundry, run the dishwasher etc. The reason is that I am home all day being retired and have several parakeets. I don’t want them to suffer with the heat even if I am not at home. My bills are not as high as most people who have a home the same size as mine. We compared bills one summer when we had a very hot summer.

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Temporary_Nail_6468@reddit

In metro areas of Texas we have choice in electricity providers and plans. I shop for the cheapest simple plan I can get. One that doesn’t penalize me for using too little (yes that actually exists) or gives me a bunch of restrictions. I want to sign up, I want my electrical appliances to work and I want to pay the bill. I don’t want to think about staying up late doing laundry because I don’t want to run the dryer at certain hours.

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Brandoskey@reddit

Most people don't pay time of use prices in the US.

I do and use it to my benefit for somethings like pre cooling the house at night when prices are cheap.

I don't change many other habbits though as I have rooftop solar and the prices on my hourly rate plan are almost always cheaper than the foxes rate anyhow so it's not worth the effort to micromanage every thing I do.

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permalink_child@reddit

Nope.

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Intelligent-Arm-1701@reddit

I absolutely do. Saves a ton of money.

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Theslowestmarathoner@reddit

We don’t have this option. It costs the same regardless of time of day

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Mundane-Charge-1900@reddit

Electricity where I live isn't charged at different rates at different times of day.

RealExpression6467@reddit

My dad had me shower after 8 pm because our water heater was electric

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AKlutraa@reddit

The USA is huge. In my part of my state, the rate is the same no matter when you use power, but in a lot of places where most buildings have air conditioning, daytime rates are higher than late evenings through the overnight hours. That's because power companies have to meet demand whenever it happens, and it's very expensive to build and maintain the infrastructure needed to meet the maximum instantaneous demand if that infrastructure sits idle 99.9% of the time. Reduced evening rates help shift discretionary use, like running clothes or dish washers and dryers, to times when they aren't adding to high existing air conditioning loads.

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Live-Medium8357@reddit

we don't have that billing system right now.

Yeah exactly, that’s what I thought too at first.

It’s not life-changing money, but over time it adds up without really thinking about it.

I actually made a small version of the thing I use if you’re curious how it works:

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cantfinflogin@reddit

My Dad is in SC and does this with the AC.

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FreeStateOfPortland@reddit

Only if they have a plan that charges variable rates. I’m in Portland where that’s an option but for the most part people just pay a standard rate 24 hours a day seven days a week.

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SmartEnergyDIY@reddit (OP)

That makes sense. I feel like most people don’t bother unless it’s super obvious.

That’s kind of why I tried to simplify it for myself – just a color instead of numbers.

Otherwise I’d never actually check

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AdEastern9303@reddit

I do standard. However, If I had an electric car adding a couple hundred bucks, I would probably switch to variable rates as most of the charging would be at night anyway.

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cyvaquero@reddit

A couple hundred bucks?

This isn't true for every utility in the US.

For places where it is true, some people care and other's dont.

My utility doesn't do peak rate pricing, but they do charge a monthly fee based around max load within the billing period.

This means if I run all my major electrical loads at one time, that fee goes up. It isn't about when I use the power, its about how much load I place in the system at any one time.

I do not worry about this. I could and it would save a few bucks a month, but I do not.

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Sugah-mama21@reddit

I'm sure some do, the majority do not.

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HR_King@reddit

We don't all "know that", since it isnt true for most people.

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FlatChemist8132@reddit

We do shift usage in terms of laundry and dishwasher and other big appliances but not AC as my kids go to sleep at 8 and wont sleep well if i havent cooled the house down in summer.

We also now have solar with battery and a smart circuit system so i actually programmed it to charge from the grid from 2-2:55 (just before peak hours for us start) and then use that before pulling from the grid again while its peak hours (if we are producing a good amount from solar it will use that to both charge battery first and for use)

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SmartEnergyDIY@reddit (OP)

That’s actually a really advanced setup

Most people I’ve talked to don’t go that far though — it’s usually either “ignore it” or “try to remember manually”.

That gap is kind of what got me thinking about simpler ways to make it visible without all the setup.

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FlatChemist8132@reddit

Before we had solar and the smart circuit I did a simpler non tech solution which was to have a clock on top of our washer and a label on the washer door with the time of the high use rates. It helped for sure. I put a label on the dishwasher next to the “start” button as well.

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Neither_Pudding7719@reddit

Never heard of this.

Phone calls used to be billed this way.

I pay for electricity by the Kilowatt Hour.

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Depends on the people. If they're struggling financially or are environment conscious, they might. Personally, I do what I wanna do, when I want do to it. I'm not going to adjust my behavior based on a utility bill, but also I can afford not to do so.

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PhotoFenix@reddit

Absolutely! But we have the plan that has more reward for off peak/punishment for on peak.

Car auto pauses charging from 4-7pm. AC runs solid from 3-4 to avoid running from 4-7. I set the timer on the dishwasher to delay until after 7.

In the winter we also have super off peak from 10am to 3pm on weekdays, I try to have as many things as possible run during that time.

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No-Donut-8692@reddit

Time of use pricing is not common. At this point, most utilities offer it, and there are niche situations where it might be worth the trouble (eg, charging EVs). We’ve looked at it, but a dedicated effort to use less power during peak periods might save —at best— $10/month. For $0.33/day we’d rather just do our chores and run the AC when we need.

Oh, and we have EVs. The cost savings off peak is absolutely not worth the higher peak cost.

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General_Killmore@reddit

Nearly every EV has a schedule you can set and will automatically start charging once the time starts. You're leaving tons of money on the table by not using that.

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No-Donut-8692@reddit

I promise I have done the math. Our utility offers off-peak rates that are only $0.04 cheaper than “standard” coupled with peak rates that are $0.10 higher. We would need to drive about three times more per day to justify paying peak rates on basic stuff like a/c and all other electricity in the winter (because of how the peak rates are structured). They have a separate “EV” schedule but you have to wire in a 240 charger that connects to their system, so, again, we just don’t drive enough to justify spending upwards of $2000 on the power upgrade to the garage.

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imtooldforthishison@reddit

I live in Phoenix and absolutely we do. I don't run any appliances during on peak unless it's an absolute must, and i generally will scootch my AC higher during on peak.

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SmartEnergyDIY@reddit (OP)

Yeah that’s exactly what I noticed too.

I kept running into this exact problem.

Either you ignore electricity prices completely, or you have to keep checking them… which no one actually does.

So I ended up making something super simple that just shows when it’s cheap or expensive instantly:

https://blockpulse.be

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PuzzledPurpleUnicorn@reddit

It’s really common to try to time electricity usage here in Southern California where our electricity prices are high and a lot of people have electric cars

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SmartEnergyDIY@reddit (OP)

I kept running into this exact problem.

Either you ignore electricity prices completely, or you have to keep checking them… which no one actually does.

So I ended up making something super simple that just shows when it’s cheap or expensive instantly:

https://blockpulse.be

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mykidsthinkimcool@reddit

Where i live there is no changing rate.... or at least there is no "its $x.x cheaper from when to when.

I do get a $10 monthly credit for not charging my wife's tesla between 4pm and 10pm weekdays. But thats a simple setting in the car itself to manage.

I also sometimes get credits for allowing my thermostat to be adjusted during certain hours... but half the time I dont let them adjust it cause its too hot. I have solar panels, I dont feel bad using my AC.

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gman2391@reddit

Our electricity doesn't vary with the time of day and the rate only changes every 6 months in my state

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SmartEnergyDIY@reddit (OP)

That’s probably the easiest setup honestly.

I feel like most people only start paying attention once they experience price spikes during the day. If it stays flat, there’s not much incentive to think about it.

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That’s interesting actually.

I guess that’s the tricky part — even when prices change, the real impact isn’t always that obvious unless you track it closely over time.

For most people it probably just feels like extra effort without a clear benefit, so they just stop thinking about it.

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Living_Fig_6386@reddit

Not everyone has the option of electricity pricing that varies during the day (I don't). People do try to avoid paying more than they need to for electricity, and if you both charge an electric car at home and get a discount during the evening, you definitely pay attention.

For most of us, though, the cost doesn't depend on time of day and we just try to use as little as we can if we're the one's paying for it.

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SmartEnergyDIY@reddit (OP)

Yeah that’s probably the majority case.

If the price doesn’t change during the day, there’s nothing to really optimize so it just becomes about using less overall.

Novel_Willingness721@reddit

Some activities are easier to do than others. Some examples:

charging EVs overnight after 9 or 10 pm: plug it in before you go to bed.
Using a programmable thermostat to set the temperature higher or lower (depending on the season) so HVAC doesn’t turn on when no one is home
turning lights off in rooms that are not being used (yes with LEDs the savings are minimal)
setting the thermostat to lower or higher temperatures and using blankets or fans to warm or cool the person or the specific room.
specific to arid/desert regions (where overnight lows and daytime highs are further apart): opening windows and doors in the early morning to get a home as cool as possible so the AC Stays off longer.

We have TOU, but our rates are so low I don't bother, it's double during peak time but it's still only $0.14/kWh which is less than I most people pay anyway.

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SmartEnergyDIY@reddit (OP)

That's exactly the problem — in Europe we have dynamic pricing and most people don't track it either. I built a simple device that does it for you — just a green/yellow/red light. No tracking needed. blockpulse.be

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AlltheFerns@reddit

Same. I’m not even sure how I’d find out. Don’t bother telling me, I don’t want to know.

There are savings plans through the electric companies where you can sign up and they cycle your hvac to be off in peak times. That’s the closest I’ve heard people do.

That ended up costing us money though since our hvac was undersized for our house getting the house back to a reasonable range used to much electricity.

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kaywhateverloser@reddit

No, we have fixed electric and gas rates in Ohio. My current rate is locked in for six months, by choice, and we have many suppliers to choose from.

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iowanaquarist@reddit

I don't have time of use billing, but the thermostat I have has the functionality built in (and it also can select the energy source for heat based on pricing). I know some people that charge their EVs at night just because it's better for the environment and shaves the local peaks, even though it's not cheaper.

I can only imagine people would do more with an economic incentive.

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anfreug2022@reddit

Here in southern Arizona for many of the utilities if you get solar panels on your home then you’re forced into the Time Of Use plans.

During the winter the cost difference between peak and off peak is small enough I don’t even bother paying attention.

About the only thing I do in winter is try to limit my electric clothes dryer to use during daylight times when the solar generation will completely cover the power draw.

Summer is a little different as the cost differential is large between peak and off peak.

But the peak time here is only 3-7pm M-F.

The problem is, in this climate, air conditioning is probably 80% of my total draw for the entire year.

It’s just so much bigger than everything else combined. (Also I have natural gas for water heater, furnace and stove. Natural gas is super cheap here. This makes a big impact for managing this stuff.)

So really the only accommodation I try to have for time of use, is to reduce a/c use during that 3-7pm window.

But that’s hard to do. Unless you have an extremely well insulated house, I can’t just turn off the a/c during those hours as the house will warm up too much during summer highs when it’s 110F out.

So I just have the thermostats set to keep the house a little warmer during those hours and back to max cooling after 7pm.

It’s an annoying mental load and if my residential solar didn’t force me into time of use I would not pay any attention to it.

What I see is that folks who are retired and/or are on a tight fixed income pay a lot more attention to this stuff. But this tends to be folks who have less money and more time/bandwidth.

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FlamingBagOfPoop@reddit

I’m Texas, electricity is deregulated meaning that everyone can get their own electricity plan. Depending on when you sign up, the length of contract and type o contract you could end up with a fixed or variable rate. I personally have a fixed rate and signed the longest term I could get. My rate is several cents below what a new contract would cost as energy costs have risen. You and your neighbor could pay very different rates for the same usage.

Powertochoose.org if you get curious and want to browse Texas energy plans.

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FlamingBagOfPoop@reddit

I’m Texas, electricity is deregulated meaning that everyone can get their own electricity plan. Depending on when you sign up, the length of contract and type o contract you could end up with a fixed or variable rate. I personally have a fixed rate and signed the longest term I could get. My rate is several cents below what a new contract would cost as energy costs have risen. You and your neighbor could pay very different rates for the same usage.

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The12th_secret_spice@reddit

After running the last 7 mos of bills in ChatGPT to see which is cheaper (time of use vs flat rate) it was $2-$5 cheaper to stay on time of use.

Where is this? Everywhere I’ve ever lived (all east coast) the electricity price was the same price regardless of time of day.

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SubstantialPressure3@reddit

I was in Houston and reliant had different options for their contracts. Free nights and weekends was one of them. At the time I worked in a restaurant so that was a pointless option for me.

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drnewcomb@reddit

It would be counterproductive here as the lion's share of electric usage is for A/C.

I have never once done anything of the sort.

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That's exactly what BlockPulse does — but with a visual signal instead of scheduling. A simple green/yellow/red LED that shows when electricity is cheapest in real time. No app, no programming needed. Just glance and decide.

In Europe where dynamic pricing is standard, it saves €100-200/year. Works great next to dishwasher or EV charger. https://blockpulse.be

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kanakamaoli@reddit

Since my utility has flat rates for residences, nope. Some areas have tou rates so some people shift major demand to off peak times.

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huskeya4@reddit

We can choose our own plans with some electric companies. I sort of just had to wince and pay the bill when I went work from home and realized I fucked up by not changing my off peak hours. Before it was like 5pm-2am that were off peak for me and all the rest were on peak. The bill skyrocketed when I went work from home because I was working during on peak hours. I actually removed the peak hours option entirely and went to a standard rate. I have a sleep disorder so I’m always up late also. The just wasn’t a decent option other than the standard rate for me

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Both-Beautiful960@reddit

I don't particularly care, but I also don't use a lot of electricity.

My mother-in-law in Arizona cares, and only turns the AC down to 75-78 degrees (24-25 degrees Celsius, to literally everyone else), which means it's often 5-10 degrees (2-5 degrees) hotter in the house. While it's 110-120 (45-50) outside.

I pay an averaged bill through the year. It makes it easy to budget.

My parent's are on off-peak heating so they have no heat when they are on peak load. They have backup propane for heat which is truly insufficient but you won't die. Peak load matters for them.

I don't believe in off-peak so I'll pay extra so I always have A/C in my house. My heat is Natural Gas so it really doesn't matter. It's commodity. I don't like being hot. If I lose my furnace, I can burn wood. If I run out of wood, I'll cut a tree down. I just refuse to be hot and sweaty.

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andmewithoutmytowel@reddit

I’m in Kentucky, and electricity is pretty cheap here. I don’t know anyone other than EV owners that would care, but most of us don’t have billing by time of day.

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ColoradoWeasel@reddit

In my area there is no difference in the price of electricity for the time of day.

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Per_sephone_@reddit

Our pricing doesn't vary

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Special-Reindeer-178@reddit

Really depends on how the electricity is billed.

We have a flat rate agreement from the distributor, so its xxx amount per KwH regardless of time of day. Theres no fluctuation. More you use, more you pay, less you use, less you pay. Its not tied to load/demand

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ericbythebay@reddit

It depends on the rate plan. We definitely charge our EVs off peak when the rate is half as much.

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Designer-Travel4785@reddit

I pay attention to the price, but ours doesn't change throughout the day.

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holymacaroley@reddit

I'm not even sure that happens in my area. I just pay the bill, turn off lights when they're not being used. I've never heard anyone here talk about it.

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TurnDown4WattGaming@reddit

It’ll be different based on where you live. In East Texas at the ranch, the utility doesn’t price power by time of day. Therefore, I just threw up solar panels out there and increased the number until I owed the utility nothing monthly.

In Houston and Austin, they do - or rather, you can sign up for plans that do. So, as an example, my sister and BIL spit batteries in their house which they charge at night during the “free nights and weekends” and then discharge them during the morning and evening; the power is mostly off during the day while they’re at work. They have no PV panels at all.

So, it’s a mixed bag which will evolve as more people add PV Arrays (worsening the Duck curve).

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NeverRarelySometimes@reddit

I used to start the washer, dryer, and dishwasher when I was leaving in the morning. Now, because pricing is better, I do laundry and dishes after dinner, in the evening. I try to convince my WFH people to use the A/C in the morning and shut it off again until they can't stand it or the rates drop. Sometimes, they use fans to get through the hot part of the afternoon without starting the whole-house A/C.

Yeah, we pay attention.

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I do this. Electric car and I go to the office everyday except Friday. So I do the free nights version. I pay through the nose from 6am to 8pm but my best thermostats keep energy usage low during the day since the house is empty. Then I do all my stuff at 8 (laundry, run the dishwasher, charge my car, etc).

I do the math every month on what my average rate is and some months it’s as little as half per kWh as the standard rate. Other months if I happen to be home during the day more often it’s the same or even higher. But for the year it saves me around 20% every month.

So to answer your question, yes many do but it’s very dependent on if your lifestyle supports an easy “shift” of energy intensive activities to later in the day or evening. I think for most people that’s not feasible so they just try and get the lowest flat rate.

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ABelleWriter@reddit

I don't have different prices where I live. It costs the same no matter what. So no, I don't.

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trinite0@reddit

For my personal budget, the difference would be negligible, absolutely not worth changing my routines for. It's more relevant for high-consuming facilities, like factories or large commercial buildings like skyscrapers or malls.

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Mr_Kittlesworth@reddit

It’s worth remembering that electricity is VERY cheap here compared to be rest of the world, which makes this practice even more surprising

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RedSolez@reddit

Not an issue where I live. I have natural gas heat, hot water, stove, and dryer. So I'm not going to fret over when I run the dishwasher or the air conditioning.

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Aprils-Fool@reddit

We all know electricity can be cheaper at certain times

I don't think mine does that.

MrsMitchBitch@reddit

This is not a thing in my area. Electricity is priced the same all day. We are part of our town’s electricity compact though, which is a lower negotiated rate for 5 years.

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Limp-Strawberry-5830@reddit

I think some people are more frugal than others, and in certain states electricity is much more expensive than others

And I tend to turn my lights off when I leave a room and don’t turn on unnecessary lights

Part of it is how I was raised, but that being said it’s not like I unplugged every appliance and I have a fan that’s running almost all the time as well as ceiling fans

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DiHard_ChistmasMovie@reddit

I think it depends in what your paying for electric. Ive heard of people paying more than $.25/what for electricity. If your rates are that high, it likely would.

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Icy_Consideration409@reddit

We have cheaper evening electricity from May to September (when daytime AC use strains the grid).

And cheaper daytime electricity from October to April (when evening use peaks).

While it’s definitely cheaper to observe those specific times, it doesn’t make a huge difference. I currently average about 12 cents per kWh despite fairly heavy peak usage. That’s about 1/3 the price my mum pays in the UK.

And our base charge (aka standing charge) is barely a 1/6 of what my mum pays.

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MamaMidgePidge@reddit

I never have. I'm not even sure it's an option with our electric company.

I'm going to look into it though. I am always looking to save a buck and I work from home so plenty of flexibility as to when I use items such as dryer and dishwasher.

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Maybeitsmeraving@reddit

I've never lived anywhere with peak and off peak electricity rates. I know it's a thing some places, but I'm not going to live like it applies to me when I know it doesn't. Your post made it seem like you're unsure if its a thing in your market. It seems like you should figure that out before you criticize the behavior of others.

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spintool1995@reddit

Time Of Use plans are mandatory where I am. My EV knows the utility's schedule and only charges during super off peak pricing. The super high prices are 3pm to 8pm. I'll usually turn the AC off around 5 or 6pm, then open the windows after sundown as it normally cools off. On nights it doesn't cool off enough I just turn the AC back on at 8pm.

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masoleumofhope@reddit

Yes, the California Electricity Crisis left it's mark on me.

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rawbface@reddit

No. It doesn't even register that it costs more during peak hours.

WillDupage@reddit

Yes, but mostly no. Our rates are flat, so there’s no monetary incentive. However, the a/c temp goes up a few degrees during the day, we run the dishwasher at night. Mostly “don’t waste electricity” things we were brought up with.

My mother-in-law, however, is weird, cheap, and acts like not turning off all lights in a room when you step out of it to get a glass of water is tantamount to setting cash on fire. She unplugs every device when not in use - and then doesn’t understand why they have to re-boot and reset when she plugs them back in. She unscrews all but one bulb in light fixtures. The car can enter and exit the garage only once a day. If you pull in and close the door, beware her wrath if you decide to go anywhere an hour later. (The woman even reuses cooking water- her “bean water oatmeal” would have gotten a no-thanks from the Donner Party. Revolting.)

The EV chargers are all set to not charge during peak hours. I load the dishes in the dishwasher and then hit the Delay button until after peak hours starts. We run the washing machine during peak hours because that's not bad, but the electric dryer is more expensive to operate so that gets delayed into off-peak hours; it helps that my in-laws live with us so my MIL does most of the laundry. The thermostat for AC during the summer months is set to go up a few degrees during peak hours to minimize cooling load during that time.

It's not that hard to put a little thought into changing your habits a bit, and you don't have to move everything out of peak hours. Modern technology makes it easy to automate a lot of it. The funny thing to me is that I've gotten a couple of surveys from the electric company that if you read between the lines are them complaining that all of the EVs start charging at 9 PM and they don't like that and want to shift grid load into other time windows.

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semisubterranean@reddit

Not in my state. There is no variance in electricity price by time. However, if we are in a heat wave, we will wait for night to run the dryer or dishwasher just to be good neighbors.

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tcrhs@reddit

It sounds good in theory, but not worth the effort to me.

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lnsybrd@reddit

My electricity costs the same no matter what time of day.

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I tend to do laundry during off-peak hours.

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TheOwlMarble@reddit

If you have an EV and a notable difference in price, maybe it's worth it. Where I live, we have a stupid amount of solar, so electricity prices don't really drop much at night, and the contract the power company offers for time of use also includes a lot more variability and risk. It's not worth it in my case.

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0utlaw-t0rn@reddit

Some will set the dishwasher/laundry on a timer to run at night, but usually not exclusively. Especially for families it’s hard to be disciplined enough with that to not need it so it (laundry) during normal hours.

I don't pay hyper-attention to it, but I do try and run my dishwasher/washer & dryer at night for this.

I do have an EV but I just plug it into a totally normal wall receptacle so it's so slow I just leave it 24/7. If I got the medium speed charger I might optimize it for night charging. My car has a programming feature where I can tell it when to start and stop.

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the_real_JFK_killer@reddit

For people who have super electricity intensive projects, like running full on machinery will often pay attention to this, but the vast, vast majority of people dont.