Are there any nations you think off that offer a better quality of life than UK?
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Are there any nations you can think off that offer a better quality of life than the UK? If you had the chance, would you move to any of those nations?
WGSMA@reddit
US, Canada, Australia, NZ, Netherlands, Switzerland, most the rich Middle East, Singapore
CyclingBrit@reddit
Nordics are the only ones on that list that id say have a better quality of life.
Cant believe you included the US, Middle East and NZ.
Character_Silver4285@reddit
NZ has way better quality of life
CyclingBrit@reddit
you say that, but its bleeding people due to the super high cost of living
unaubisque@reddit
It depends what you do as well. If you like warm weather, being outside and socialising, then the Nordics aren't all that great for quality of life.
WGSMA@reddit
Money is the best means to have a good QoL. They’re the best countries to make money in.
Unusual_Sherbert2671@reddit
Exactly, I went from UK to the Middle East doing the same job but taking home x 3.5 times my pay.
That amount of money significantly improved my life and my future finances.
CyclingBrit@reddit
well, thats why the locals are all leaving NZ - because the cost of living has far outstripped the ability to pay for it. Same with the US.
You also couldnt pay me enough to want to live in a desert
Unusual_Sherbert2671@reddit
Middle East is great if you're a straight male and have a job in high demand.
Not paying income tax, earning £8k/month when I was 25, now on £15k/month, that money goes a long way.
ReySpacefighter@reddit
You put the US on there?
WGSMA@reddit
Yes. A far better place to be average or above average. If you have any skills, the US is miles better.
I make approx 40% what my US equivalent makes as a chartered accountant. That’s just the reality. The UK is a better place to be poor. It’s a much worse place to be average or above.
CyclingBrit@reddit
you might make 40% of what the US equivalent makes, but the US is far, far, far more expensive to live and the cost of living would eat that up in a shot
Redditreallyannoysme@reddit
You're not living in the real world.
The UK is better to be dirt poor in, especially underclass. America is better if you earn an average wage or above. Remember a lot of stuff on Reddit is propaganda.
CyclingBrit@reddit
I dont get my info from reddit. So not sure why that's even relevant. Now I do watch more US v EU comparison videos on Youtube than I really should, and literally nothing about the US seems better than over here. Nothing.
There's also lots of data available on the web re cost of living comparisons; happinesss indexes etc and the US fails on just about every front.
So I maintain my position that the US is inferior to the UK on every metric apart from the wage you receive.
Redditreallyannoysme@reddit
You need to travel. The stats and the videos don't tell the story at all. It's useful context - but until you go to a place and speak to a variety of people you won't get a real feel for quality of life.
CyclingBrit@reddit
mate, I spent 20 year traveling the world, hitching rides on sail boats and living all over the place. You need to stop being condescending
Redditreallyannoysme@reddit
You've given an incredible reason to be condescending. You get all your information about the USA from internet videos and then refuse to visit it. You're arguing from a position of ignorance, which if you've really travelled as much as you say - you'd know.
CyclingBrit@reddit
I dont think someone like you needs a reason. Id guess its part of your personality. Maybe thats why you are such a fan of the US as they're a bunch of over confident dullards too.
I've met plenty of people from the US on my travels. Ive seen what the US does to the rest of the world. Ive seen what the US does to its own people. None of those data points have made me think 'I must visit that place'. Quite the contrary.
Redditreallyannoysme@reddit
Have you visited China?
notanothergav@reddit
The US seems to have a much higher risk/reward ratio.
You can make a lot more money there, live in a bigger house, have more cars etc.
But suffer a series of unfortunate life events and you won't end up living in a council flat, you'll end up living under a bridge.
WGSMA@reddit
It is more expensive. It’s not 2.5x more expensive though. Come on. There’s a reason the UK has a crisis of bitter HENRY workers.
And at the end of the day, if you’re an American, even if it was crazy expensive there, you can just take your USD, and come to another country and live like a king with the FX Potency.
It would be easier for America to fix its cost of living, than for the UK to have salaries as high as the Americans.
ReySpacefighter@reddit
Until you factor in healthcare and lack of holiday.
WGSMA@reddit
High skilled jobs in the US have pretty cheap insurance (as health correlates with income)
Lack of holiday isn’t great, but I’d happily trade in some Annual Leave for US level income.
Proof-Lavishness7100@reddit
Problem is, even good insurance (from your employer) is incredibly limited and expensive for you
WGSMA@reddit
Know what else is expensive… 71% marginal Tax rates for High Income workers
It’s swings and roundabouts
Proof-Lavishness7100@reddit
Where's that?
WGSMA@reddit
60% tax trap, 2% NI, 9% Grad Tax
That’s my current situation. My American equivalent is on 3x the pay, on a fraction of those rates of tax.
Redditreallyannoysme@reddit
Good employers give holiday though.
WGSMA@reddit
That’s another thing people ignore. Legal minimum is legal minimum but will vary workplace to workplace in the US. It’s a common workplace perk.
Redditreallyannoysme@reddit
Yeah to me that's the difference. America is really a place where your employer dictates your quality of life - rather than the state.
It has pros and cons. I still think I'd lean towards the European model to be honest but the welfare state has mutated into a cancerous version of its original vision.
I think the way welfare dependency ends up in the USA puts a lot of people off it too.
CyclingBrit@reddit
exactly
Proof-Lavishness7100@reddit
HENRY is really not a comparable thing.....
CyclingBrit@reddit
keep drinking the koolaid
WGSMA@reddit
I wish it was Koolaid lol. I wish we could go toe to toe with them on pay. We can’t.
It’s just pure Cope to ignore how far behind the US we have fallen with our near 2 decades of lost time and 0% growth.
No_Group5174@reddit
Now add up all the taxes you would have to pay in america including professional indemminity, healthcare, property tax etc. Whilst you are there look at how much it is to buy food and eat out.
WGSMA@reddit
The taxes… compared to 71% marginal rates in the UK?
No_Group5174@reddit
You mean you didn't add up all the taxes suggested? Ok.
Proof-Lavishness7100@reddit
Tech is the same too, I have a friend who's more junior than me over there that earns (AFTER benefits) the same as me
Obvious-Water569@reddit
Sweden, Denmark, Germany, Canada, New Zealand just off the top of my head.
spanakopita555@reddit
A lot of people are leaving New Zealand.
duluoz1@reddit
I was there a few weeks ago, and found the whole place to be utterly depressing
OceanicEndeavors@reddit (OP)
NZ?
duluoz1@reddit
Yes
JLAshbourne@reddit
James Cameron moved over there a few years back, so that’s understandable. He makes great movies but the man is insufferable.
spanakopita555@reddit
Yeah it's a good place for people who want isolated bunkers I guess.
Hopeful_chap@reddit
The circular doors can be awkward and cumbersome though
Perihelion_Soul@reddit
Out of interest any idea why? (Genuine question)
spanakopita555@reddit
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/nov/26/i-love-my-country-i-dont-want-to-leave-readers-reflect-on-the-exodus-from-new-zealand
Perihelion_Soul@reddit
Thank you, appreciate it !
OrvilleTheSheep@reddit
The grass is always greener on the other side...
NZ has even worse housing affordability and jobs market than the UK.
Canada is fucking freezing for half the year, and has a bigger immigration "problem" than the UK does.
Germany has the same immigration "problem" as the UK and the same crumbling infrastructure.
The Nordics have a very high tax burden and are freezing for most of the year.
Odd-Paramedic-3826@reddit
australia is really similar to britain. Very similar political landscape, same housing crisis, a lot of people living off of benefits because the job market is buggered, etc etc.
It has some things better, people are more laid back and the weather is a lot nicer
but at the same time it has issues we don't have. Unless you're in melbourne the public transport is way worse and it has issues with car hell suburban sprawl. and there's a very real danger of death by nature (not just from the animals and plants, skin cancer from sun exposure and wildfires are also problems)
I've considered doing a working holiday there but I'd want to be staying in melbourne sydney etc if i did that, and from what I can tell most people go work in the rural parts of the country cause it's cheaper and there are more jobs. ICBA with that
OrvilleTheSheep@reddit
I love Australia but the summer is fucked hot and the housing market sounds even worse than here haha
You can at least get away from the people entirely with relative ease and fuck off into the outback for a bit, which is impossible in the UK.
Odd-Paramedic-3826@reddit
you can definitely fuck off away from people in the uk. you've just got to pick your moments and know the right places.
unaubisque@reddit
Great places if you love shit weather and very long winters.
peppermint_aero@reddit
Canadian legal minimum annual leave is 10 days, by the way
Specialist_-Berry@reddit
Didn't Sweden have more bombings than breakfasts last year?
Adzx93@reddit
Definitely not Canada, their economy is terrible, no jobs, zero quality of life
OceanicEndeavors@reddit (OP)
Aren't salaries higher in Canada, though?
Adzx93@reddit
As someone else just commented, salaries are high if you can get a decent job which is usually not feasible for an average person and they'll likely end up on minimum wage which is dreadful.
To live there as a single person comfortably you'd probably need to earn almost 3k a month, and you aren't getting that on minimum wage.
c0pypiza@reddit
That's if you can actually find a job. With their referral culture it's basically impossible for an outsider to find a non-minimum wage job. Even then it's very difficult.
If you think the UK is difficult Canada is more than 10 times harder.
ryanhealy@reddit
Canada? Are you serious?
Diligent_Explorer717@reddit
Not Canada or NZ for sure
Cultural_Tank_6947@reddit
Yes, I would absolutely love to move to the Seychelles or Mauritius. It would require me to have a few million invested. So it may take a while.
rezonansmagnetyczny@reddit
Netherlands
Cultural_Tank_6947@reddit
I've not been there enough to make a meaningful judgment either way, but I can't really imagine a huge difference to my quality of life by moving there.
The weather won't necessarily be nicer.
It won't be much cheaper.
I won't earn much more.
I'm sure they do have advantages over the UK, but I'm also sure the UK has some advantages over them.
yessuz@reddit
You need 375k to buy property in Mauritius ;)
Cultural_Tank_6947@reddit
Given I'll not really be able to work out there since my industry doesn't exist, I'll need a bit more.
yessuz@reddit
What isnthat mysterious industry which is not available in Scandinavian country? Out of interest
Cultural_Tank_6947@reddit
Or, maybe, just maybe, I retire there.
yessuz@reddit
My plan ;)
CuratorOfNoise@reddit
This question absolutely depends on how much money you have.
OceanicEndeavors@reddit (OP)
Let's say you make at least 75,000 Euro a year.
merdeauxfraises@reddit
Peanuts in the UK if you live in a major city. Rents are crazy and transportation is another story.
davus_maximus@reddit
I make half that. What's a commodity half the value of peanuts?
negras@reddit
Nuts
Vellomanaca@reddit
Pumpkin seeds
OneOfTheNephilim@reddit
Only 10% of UK workers earn over £65k...
merdeauxfraises@reddit
Yes, I’m aware. And? Does that mean that people earning less are comfortable?
TachiH@reddit
You earn way above the average salary if you think €75,000 is low. Its about double the UK average salary.
merdeauxfraises@reddit
Oh I am aware and no I am not earning above that personally. There’s a big difference between average wage and lowest comfortable wage.
PARFT@reddit
some people believe the lies of the glossy mags!
Odd-Paramedic-3826@reddit
Unless you're living in central london is this really the case? thats £64k, take home would be about £5,333. Studio flats in central manchester (next most expensive major city after london) run you about £1000-2000 a month. Thats well within reasonable margins for renting (bearing in mind thats for a studio in the city center, your money will go further a few miles out)
OceanicEndeavors@reddit (OP)
Has to be affordable in Birmingham or Manchester.
merdeauxfraises@reddit
Those are still large cities with high rents. Cheaper than London but they also have lower salaries than London to begin with.
PARFT@reddit
how much capital?
davus_maximus@reddit
I make half that. What's a commodity half the value of peanuts?
JLAshbourne@reddit
Making money and having money aren’t the same thing when you’re a migrant. It changes the whole equation.
Hopeful_chap@reddit
And (related) the skills, work experience and languages you're working with too
Sea_Pomegranate8229@reddit
And your cultural heritage, colour, religion and sexuality.
Hopeful_chap@reddit
Unfortunately very true
Odd-Paramedic-3826@reddit
yeah. those people who just say "move to thailand/australia its better over there" just assume you have a cushy middle managment job
kebabby72@reddit
We've lived in Spain and now Thailand for the last 7 years. I think in a couple of years, we'll head back home to England. Probably spend 6 months there and holiday 6 months around Europe and beyond.
Thailand is just too fucking hot and it's getting worse every year. Plus the bureaucracy here wears a bit thin. We lived 6 years in a beautiful rural sea village but there's literally nothing there. Everything is an hour and half drive away. So, we moved to a city and rented a house 15 minutes outside, so we have all those benefits now on our doorstep.
It's been about 40C for the last week or so and zero rainfall for 5 months now. Just going outside for a spliff and I feel physically sick from the heat, sat under a canopy with 2 fans on me. We have a strong breeze but it's like desert wind. Plus they fucking love burning shit. PM 2.5 is a major concern here.
I really love Thailand and I'll miss a lot about it. But it's far from perfect. We rent a brand new house on a secure estate. There's 23 houses and every single owner was scammed by the Thai developer. Some lost minimum £300k, our house ended up costing the owner about £600k. The developer remortgaged the land without them all knowing. This happens an awful lot over here and there's virtually no recourse. And there's a lot of foreigners come here, who are desperate to part with their life savings.
GreyFox_1337@reddit
Sitting in Thailand living like a king. 5 bedroom condo with a pool and gym (I’m single), house keeper, personal chef on weekends. In London, best id have is a 1 bedroom property with the same money.
Unusual_Sherbert2671@reddit
Insanity what little we get for our money in the UK
Proof-Lavishness7100@reddit
Thailand is a poor country....
GreyFox_1337@reddit
No idea why I’m downvoted, it’s just the truth, everything is cheaper here. A 5 year visa is easy to get. I’d call what I wrote a better quality of life. I’m still British. I answered the question.
Icy_Mixture1482@reddit
I live in Taiwan so I’d say Taiwan.
Cheap cost of living, first world country, cheap transportation, can be seen by a specialist on the day you feel sick just by walking in, low taxes, high-quality restaurants (I haven’t had a kitchen in any of the flats I’ve rented while living here), accessible clean beaches, cool mountain hikes for hot days, everywhere’s safe even in the middle of the night, little to no homophobia, high speed rail linking all the major cities.
I could go on and on.
spinners_888@reddit
I can't say I could live there feeling anxious about a hostile takeover by the CCP at any moment...
Icy_Mixture1482@reddit
No one’s worried about it here. It’s been going on for decades. China know the repurcussions.
GreyFox_1337@reddit
Sounds like Wakanda. You sure you not referring to wakanda?
Boring_While_3341@reddit
No wonder the Chinese are so keen on it.
/s
redseaaquamarine@reddit
It is good to read that a place still exists that has all these.
PARFT@reddit
I haven’t moved from the village i was born in, in fact in the village my great^8 grandfather was born in so I don’t even think I am allowed even if i wanted to.
I even worked and played sport in the village most of my life, however I am inside the M25 by London so there is that.
Cautious-Start-1043@reddit
I’m in Munich now mate. It’s better here.
OceanicEndeavors@reddit (OP)
How so?
DDAAVVEE123@reddit
He used to play for Spurs
Cautious-Start-1043@reddit
Ahh. Harry Kane, I understand now!!
Cautious-Start-1043@reddit
What’s the reference I’m missing??
HMS--Thunderchild@reddit
😂😂
Cautious-Start-1043@reddit
To be honest, for me, there a lot of personal stuff attached… so in this moment in time I’ve never been happier. But, I’m originally from Glasgow, here is just much nicer for a start, Munich being quite a wealthy city. We have seasons here (cold winters and warm summers) Glasgow is just grey 90% of the time, standard of living is just overall better.
Dull-Classroom-3479@reddit
I like the lifestyle in France. A little slower, not as frantic. The weather and food & drink is better too.
tylerthe-theatre@reddit
Spain, France, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Singapore, Thailand, Australia (if you're financially well off)>
unaubisque@reddit
Yep, I agree with your list. I wouldn't move to the Nordics personally because I don't like the cold and (very) long winters, but for most things the quality of life is very high.
LostHumanFishPerson@reddit
I’ve travelled a fair bit around Portugal and the way of life seems so life seems so relaxed and pleasant ever here. I’m probably looking at it through rose tinted glasses though
Alarmed-Marsupial647@reddit
This totally depends on your income level. If you’re a surgeon like my partner moving to a country like Canada where your income is 5x what it would be in the nhs is a no brained
m1nkeh@reddit
I live in NLD, it’s better IMHO..
undoneyet@reddit
Most of the countries that I would consider as an answer to this question fall down on one aspect of daily life, and that is in the UK it is easy to live without being judged; for what you wear, how often you clean your windows, wether or not you go to church, if you keep your car clean and your garden tidy. Most of my friends who have moved here from other countries single out the fact that you can be who you want to be here, one particular person i remember being amazed that you could work in a shop without having been trained to do so.
SuperHansDunYourMum@reddit
Finland. Conveniently I already live there.
OceanicEndeavors@reddit (OP)
What do you like about it?
SuperHansDunYourMum@reddit
Cheaper/better housing, cheap energy, better infrastructure, cleaner, safer, better public services, better access to nature, high trust society, free university, cheap childcare. It's not for everyone, but for someone who loves the outdoors, it's great.
OceanicEndeavors@reddit (OP)
Does Finland have anything like the Cleveland Way, Peak District, or Yorkshire Dales, though?
SuperHansDunYourMum@reddit
Well, no. The UK doesn't have arctic tundra, vast forests, 180000 lakes, moose, wolves, lynx, bears, frozen lakes and whatever Finland has to offer.
OceanicEndeavors@reddit (OP)
You can do that in Helsinki?
SuperHansDunYourMum@reddit
Other than the bears and tundra, yes.
yessuz@reddit
Yeah. Have you seen the maps? It's fulll of lakes
Specialist_-Berry@reddit
Short answer yes, long answer yeessss
-MassiveDynamic-@reddit
There are so many factors that determine the answer: lifestyle you want, family, education, income/wealth, language ability, career etc.
Generally I'd say Germany, Netherlands, Switzerland; maybe Ireland, Australia, NZ, and Canada. Scandinavia too.
Some people will argue USA, China, UAE, Qatar but there's a lot more problematic elements to those countries. I'd throw in Spain, Poland and Czechia too.
Again it's all dependent. What's a better quality of life for me, might not be the same for you and vice-versa
girlsunderpressure@reddit
Most of Scandinavia and northern Europe, Germany, Netherlands
Gornal-Annie6133@reddit
Nope and I’ve visited many countries. I wouldn’t live anywhere else, even if I was a millionaire!
EUskeptik@reddit
I have lived and worked all over Britain, in several European countries plus the USA and the Middle East thanks to my work in construction and have travelled widely for leisure.
I think Britain is a fantastic place to live and not easy to improve on.
European countries I feel I could live in include Sweden, the Netherlands, Spain and Italy. I would include Switzerland if it wasn’t so horribly expensive. I would probably like Portugal but have never been.
I could not contemplate living in the Middle East. I’ve never been back and never will.
Nor could I live in the USA right now, although I have enjoyed living and working in Texas and holidaying in New York State, Florida and California. I might change my mind depending on the results of the 2027 US General Election.
However, I reiterate my first point: Britain is a great country to live in.
-oo-
yessuz@reddit
Literally every Scandinavian country for example :D
Adzx93@reddit
I think the Netherlands would be a good place, I've dealt with a few people that live there and they're always very happy, friendly and just seem to enjoy life more than UK at the moment
WB1173@reddit
Switzerland
BusyBeeBridgette@reddit
Top 15 nations for QoL are mostly squabbling over crumbs. I don't think there is much of an observable difference.
Feeling-Medium-7856@reddit
It’s down to a variety of personal perceptions, budget, values.
Personally, Scandinavia, Finland, the Netherlands, Switzerland are places I would consider. Maybe Canada. That’s about it, for me. The Med is nice for a holiday but I’ve no desire to live there.
Kvark33@reddit
From travelling, Switzerland and southern Germany/Bavaria seem to have a great quality of life.
I wouldn't move there as it's too far from home, but would happily take prolonged stays there if I could.
RiverGlittering@reddit
Life down here in southern Germany is pretty damn nice.
It also isn't cheap. And I get yelled at if I try and wash clothes at the wrong time.
Kvark33@reddit
Where abouts ? Chiemgau is absolutely fantastic. I had friends that lived there and said the exact same thing about the clothes
RiverGlittering@reddit
I'm in the Konstanz area
summerloco@reddit
Thailand and yes.
merdeauxfraises@reddit
Nation means people. You mean country. You also need to be more specific on what front this would be. Taxes, public services, healthcare, education, work rights, nature and environment... in what perspective are you asking this "better" for? Because each country has its pros and cons. A different combination of pros and cons is more suitable to a person than another, there is no one true "better".
JLAshbourne@reddit
Strongly depends on the person too. I spent 5 years in the US as a single man in my 20s, there to make money and see things. It was amazing for that, but I wouldn’t wanna be a woman over there, or have kids in school over there, or get old over there.
merdeauxfraises@reddit
Totally true and it's the same for internal migration as well. For example lots of people leave London as hey start a family.
OceanicEndeavors@reddit (OP)
Let's say you balance out economic opportunities, nature, education, healthcare, and public services.
merdeauxfraises@reddit
Instead of suggestions, let's do an overview.
The UK is very flat on the nature front, no mountains to speak of, no decent beaches either, no canyons, no noteworthy forests AND it's isolated from other countries considering it's kind of on the side of an ocean and Europe. The countryside is pretty, but not diverse.
Education seems fine on the PISA marks.
Healthcare is absolutely terrible, don't get me started (people are dying because of neglect from the NHS) and private care is completely unaffordable in the salary you mentioned.
Work opportunities seem to be getting fewer by the day, the job market is terrible and the salaries are borderline unlivable if you 're not at least in a double income household.
There is BOUND to be a better country than this, if there's not, we 're cooked.
OceanicEndeavors@reddit (OP)
I think the UK has very underrated natural beauty. The rolling greenery is stunning and verdant.
merdeauxfraises@reddit
I live in the countryside. It's certainly nice, but I do miss skiing, or not needing a 2-4 hour flight to swim in the sea.
JLAshbourne@reddit
Every person will balance those factors differently. I mean, people mention rich middle-eastern countries on this thread. I’m sure they’re pleasant places to live—unless you’re gay, that is.
AsheZ_x@reddit
Yes on some metrics, no on others. I know there's indexes for these sort of thing but honestly, everywhere has it's problems. For me, I'm happy with the UK and wouldn't move.
Warm-Marsupial8912@reddit
Most of the Nordic countries, possibly NZ and Australia. But they all have their drawbacks too, the weather, earthquakes, some restrictive laws. I wouldn't move unless my profession was such a highly needed one that the salary was going to be a huge raise (it isn't!)
jamesdownwell@reddit
Of course. I live in one.
2c0@reddit
Yes. Yes.
OceanicEndeavors@reddit (OP)
Which ones?
2c0@reddit
Depends on what you define as better. SE Asia, Sweden, Norway, Canada, New Zealand to name a few and for all different reasons.
Ralphisinthehouse@reddit
Well, it really depends what you consider to be a good quality of life. Weather, health, money, location, job opportunities, social opportunities. You know, that's why people move to different places, because different places offer different things. But in general, if we had to paint with a very broad brush, A large portion of the world offers a better quality of life than the UK.
OceanicEndeavors@reddit (OP)
How would you define it?
Ralphisinthehouse@reddit
My definition is somewhere that has nice weather, good healthcare provided to everybody, good wages that increase properly with inflation instead of being stagnant for the last 30 years, low crime, solid government, great education, but at best we're middle of the road for most of those things.
Upbeat_Map_348@reddit
Nordic countries. Fairly liberal, great public services and a lot of space.
ExultentPisces@reddit
Y’know there are quality of life indexes, right? You can just look this up and find out which countries typically score higher than the UK.
If you’re too lazy to look, the usual candidates are the Scandinavian countries, Finland, Netherlands, New Zealand, Japan and a few others.
It varies depending on who is doing the sums and what factors they’re looking at. But those are the countries which are consistently at the top. The UK is typically in the next bunch of countries below that lot.
RideCritical5642@reddit
All about perspective. I’m born in 🇬🇧 but my grandparents were not for them it’s better here and honestly that’s why we have people trying to get in as life in 🇬🇧 is amazing in comparison to many others, honestly one of the best, in terms of school system, nhs, jobs etc.
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