should i get a i5 14400f with ddr4 or ryzen 5 7500f with ddr5?
Posted by omfgthatssocool@reddit | buildapc | View on Reddit | 26 comments
as the title says. i am thinking of building a pc amidst the ram crisis (my current one is failing and is almost 10 years old atp) so obviously i want to save as much as possible on ram as i can without sacrificing too much performance. i am opting for a rx 9060 xt. the options i've been considering were:
- i5-14400f with 32 gb of ddr4 with a possibility of upgrading in the future
- ryzen 5 7500f with a single 16gb stick with a possibility of buying a second one in the future
i am open to other suggestions as well
TechnoGMNG589@reddit
whats your budget and currency? id go 7500f and 16gigs of ddr5
omfgthatssocool@reddit (OP)
my currency is pln (polish zloty) and my budget is 5000pln (roughly 1300-1400 usd) but i already went a little over the limit. i am willing to go a bit further if need be though.
Electrical_Panda_326@reddit
Możesz zrobić przyczajke na pepperze i dorwać coś takiego, bardzo fajny komputer w tej cenie, ale ta oferta już się skończyła
https://www.pepper.pl/promocje/komputer-stacjonarny-smx-battlestation-m5a-i5-12400f32gb-ddr41tbrtx5060ti-16gb-1268721
Creative_Ship_6758@reddit
czym jest ten pepper?
Electrical_Panda_326@reddit
To platforma, na którą ludzie wrzucają wszelkiej maści okazje z różnych sklepów. Np ten komputer z linka to oferta z Xkom, po kliknięciu w link, zostaniesz przeniesiony na stronę Xkom. Jak oferta jest dobra, to ludzie głosują plusem i oferta idzie do góry na liście, jak słaba, to minus i oferta spada. Można mnóstwo okazji tam złapać, sam też możesz wrzucać jak coś ci wpadnie w oko w jakimś sklepie. Sam pepper niczego nie sprzedaje, to tylko platforma do wymiany informacji o ofertach.
Creative_Ship_6758@reddit
mysle ze nie ma sensu rezygnować z pamieci udało mi sie zrobic dwie listy na xkomie za 5200 zlotych jeden pc 14400f 9060XT 8gb drugi 7500f rtx 5060 8gb i oba te komputery wychodzą wydajnością prawie tak samo w jednej grze jeden se radzi lepiej w drugiej drugi wiec mysle ze komputer na ryzenje bedzie lepszy bo masz wiecej opcji do upgrade w przyszłości
Intel 5228 PLN
Ryzen 5219 PLN
omfgthatssocool@reddit (OP)
a taki zestaw na morelach?
https://www.morele.net/inventory/info/8276d4a8/
zapomnialem dodac ze dysk mam akurat ledwo co 2 lata temu kupiony wiec go zostawiam: lexar nm710. z tym ramem to kwestia glownie taka ze chce jak najmniej przeplacic dlatego zastanawialem sie nad kupnem slabszej konfiguracji i ewentualnie upgradu w przyszlosci jak ceny opadna. kompa nowego w najblizszej przyszlosci musze i tak kupic
Creative_Ship_6758@reddit
najtańsza kość 16gb ddr5 to 1000-1100 zlotyvh a 32 zestaw to jakies 1600 wiec biorąc 16gb płacisz 63% ceny za 50% produktu wiec wydaje mi sie ze to właśnie jest scenariusz w ktorym przeplacasz no i tez w scenariuszu w ktorym idziesz jak najbardziej cena/wydajnosc tdz bym nie brał obudowy za 280 zlotych tylko np cos poniżej tych 200 jak np Deepcool CH370 ale to akurat no juz jest bardziej preferencja estetyczna co chodzi o to i mysle ze bardzo dobra lista i sam osobiście bym poszedł w cos takiego ale bym poszukał tez na olx czy allegro lepszej karty w tej cenie ja kupiłem dwa lata temu rtx 3080 za 1400 zlotych RTX 3080 1400PLN
9070XT 2400PLN
RTX 4070TI 1800PLN
RTX 5070 2100PLN
omfgthatssocool@reddit (OP)
dzieki. na pewno bede sie jeszcze rozgladal
TechnoGMNG589@reddit
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fC4x6B
im pretty sure you can get 32 gigabytes of ram.
chsn2000@reddit
The latter, and quite easily. You might still be able to find bundles or used deals, but you get equivalent performance with the possibility of upgrading not only your RAM, but your CPU in the future.
16GB is plenty for games, and likely will be for a while given how the shortages have affected any future console generations. While the upgradeability is slightly less, a 2x8GB RAM kit will give you better performance. Worth weighing up A. how likely you really are to upgrade to 32GB+ in the future, and B. if prices mean its easier to just buy a 2x16GB kit by that point.
Unless you can get one exactly the same, getting a second stick working is usually going to take a fair bit of manually tweaking subtimings. Not something I'd recommend for 99% of people.
omfgthatssocool@reddit (OP)
A. if the prices stabilize or go down im 100% upgrading to 32gb
B. well, it’s hard to tell how prices will look a few months from now. my budget is pretty tight but i guess i could scrape together the money needed for 2x16. i am going off of an assumption that prices will drop eventually and if they dont at least i wont have to buy 2x16 and only a 1x16, im really not an expert in these things though
chsn2000@reddit
Matching a second 16GB stick can be quite a hassle, even if its coming from the same brand. I'd go for 2x8GB if you can. It doesn't sound like you upgrade that frequently, so I think you'll be better off going for the better solution now, rather than compromise performance for an upgrade you may or may not do sometime in the future.
omfgthatssocool@reddit (OP)
why exactly is matching a second stick a hassle? even if i buy the exact same model?
chsn2000@reddit
The short version is that the RAM you buy is overclocked, so there are 20-30 different settings which can cause crashes on certain CPU/motherboard combos due to tiny, tiny variations in the silicon.
The major RAM brands you can buy don't make the RAM themselves. They just purchase, test, package and distribute the RAM.
The stats you see (6000MHz, CL40 etc.) aren't a hardware specification, but just a setting which has been tested to work reliably. Quite often, a 6400MHz RAM kit and a 5600MHz kit might be the exact same model (die) just one doesn't overclock as well as the other.
You need to run the same settings across all your RAM sticks, but when you get ones from different kits the settings which work for one stick might crash with another - Doubly so because the profile they ship with wasn't meant to be used with a different number of sticks. More RAM channels means the CPU needs to do more work, which means that the stock settings could cause instabilities and crashes.
You can't just copy someone else's settings without testing it, because even the same model CPU (say comparing one 7800X3D with another 7800X3D) the memory timings they can handle will be different. The same issue again with the motherboard.
Usually the RAM is pretty conservative with the overclock in order to make sure it works with 99% of CPUs and motherboards, but there is a reason motherboard vendors still keep QVLs(qualified vendor lists) for RAM sticks which have been tested on their boards.
If you just whack in a second stick of 16GB RAM, it might work fine. But if it doesn't, it will take a lot of time testing and tweaking settings which you might not want to, or know how to do.
Creative_Ship_6758@reddit
am5 has not very good memory on cpu and mobo and they are very very picky and if you buy 2 sticks in one package then you know they were tested together and they work together but single stick was not tested with any other so it might just not work with second stick or not work on proper speeds or something
Electrical_Panda_326@reddit
In that case it all depends on the price. Obviously AM5 is more future proof when 14400f is pretty much a dead end platform, BUT it is still a very capable processor so if it's significantly cheaper than DDR5 option, go for it.
Creative_Ship_6758@reddit
the 14700k would be dead end there are still cpus to upgrade from 14400f
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BigFatCoder@reddit
Last year I upgraded i5-14500 with 64GB of DDR4 (reusing Nvme, SSD, HDD & RTX 4070). Will be okay for me until 2030 at least. But I don't think there will be any more upgrade path for this build.
But if you are buying new one, go for AMD.
Born_Bad_1294@reddit
7500F with a single stick of 16GB. You can upgrade to various other good CPUs without changing your RAM or mobo.
omfgthatssocool@reddit (OP)
will 16gb of ram be enough for now?
Born_Bad_1294@reddit
Try and get dual channel 16GB, that will be enough for a long time, if you only want to play games.
Silly_Word8688@reddit
Ddr5
CZsea@reddit
7500f ofc