Toxins plus climate harms likely cause of reduced fertility, study finds | Science
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Submission Statement: I thought I’d share a good news story for once. Turns out if you poison the air, water, food chain, and endocrine systems long enough, falling birth rates start handling the degrowth conversation for you. Since modern society refuses to choose planned reductions in consumption and throughput, limits have made the decision for us. Our explosive growth was only possible because of cheap fossil fuels, and now the bill is coming due. The cause is grim, obviously, but fewer people was always inevitable. Clever as we think we are, we’re our own Great Filter; a species aware enough to understand the pain and destruction we cause, yet seemingly content to carry on with business as usual.
WileyCoyote7@reddit
Jovan_Knight005@reddit
The works in mysterious ways.
BellaRyder2505@reddit
Good!
summercookiess@reddit
Because "oh no, the countries and races I like are having low birth rates!!" /s
vocalfreesia@reddit
Exactly. There's only so many yachts and islands to go around. Can't have any more people vying for them.
(/s - we can sustain 8 billion, what we can't sustain is the over consumption at the top of the resource hoarder chain)
Shoddy-Childhood-511@reddit
It's be good if it was only humans, but..
Around population, there is an excellent talk but Corey Bradshaw here: https://www.thegreatsimplification.com/episode/136-corey-bradshaw
"Only 25% of the increase in greenhouse-gas emissions globally is attributable to percapita increases in consumption, whereas 75% is due to population growth."
It's not discussing Afirca obviously, but there are many nations where both consumption and population increase. In particular, western nations have declining population growth and birth rate below replacement, but they still have increasing populations, so they contribute here. Your consumption always increases if you move to the US from elsewhere.
Around this, inequality only ever declines significantly when either the workforce shrinks, or lots of capital gets destoryed, either of which should benefit us ecologically too, even if not personally.
"The comfort of the rich depends upon an abundant supply of the poor." ― Voltaire
SplashTarget@reddit
The growth in population numbers isn't the reason why things are messed up.
Global GDP (an important economic indicator for pro-capitalist governments) moves in tandem with Global CO2 levels.
Emission-based targets have been ineffective in reducing emissions.
The only time emissions have gone down in this century is during the GFC, and COVID.
https://www.carbonbrief.org/iea-coronavirus-impact-on-co2-emissions-six-times-larger-than-financial-crisis/
These were also times where the Global GDP went down.
The pursuit of non-stop economic expansion by the top trillion dollar economies of the world is clearly the problem.
This goal requires non-stop use of fossil fuels (oil+coal+gas), which is an insane objective to have when
-the resources of the world (while immense) are not infinite
-people need the average surface temp. of the Earth to be between 13.9C to 15C in order for us to live, and burning more fuels moves you further outside of the upper limit, and is a recipe for preventable death +destruction
If we want to see lower CO2 levels, the economic output of the top trillion dollar economies of the world (where the greatest deal of emissions come from) will need to come down (ideally while maintaining acceptable living standards).
And it's possible to provide decent living standards for everyone, with just 30% of the global energy, and resource use from 2019
Abstract
The key question is going to be how can the GDP be brought down?
Some ways.
1)A miracle
2)Government action
-Pass a bunch of good policies/regulations that would result in a reduction in economic output, reduce income inequality, maintain decent living standards, and crack down on the extravagant lifestyles of the rich
-[For America] The richest states pass a bunch of good policies/regulations that reduces economic output, while maintaining decent living standards
3)Collective public action
-National strike by 3.5% of the population in the top trillion dollar economies of the world for an unspecified amount of time
-3.5% of the population in the top trillion dollar economies of the world just stays home for some unknown amount of time, and backs away from unnecessary spending
In 2019, 418 exajoules were consumed globally, it's possible (with efficient tech. use) to provide a decent living standard to all with 125 exajoules.
Note: An exajoule is 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 (One Quintillion Joules)
The problem is the economic system, not the global population.
Empty-Equipment9273@reddit
The first species to go extinct because of made up numbers on a screen
hauntedhullabaloo@reddit
The search for intelligent life continues https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTQ1yH3JTdQpXxb2SVa6itKCE3C8BhuTLr3ZMoiQRE8VfzQnuRP-PFROOI&s=10
ziptagg@reddit
Fucking right on. There are too goddamn many humans.
SRod1706@reddit
It has already decreased male sperm counts by over 50%.
Sarah_Cenia@reddit
Hey, I’ll take good news wherever I can find it!
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Submission Statement: I thought I’d share a good news story for once. Turns out if you poison the air, water, food chain, and endocrine systems long enough, falling birth rates start handling the degrowth conversation for you. Since modern society refuses to choose planned reductions in consumption and throughput, limits have made the decision for us. Our explosive growth was only possible because of cheap fossil fuels, and now the bill is coming due. The cause is grim, obviously, but fewer people was always inevitable. Clever as we think we are, we’re our own Great Filter; a species aware enough to understand the pain and destruction we cause, yet seemingly content to carry on with business as usual.
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Same_Bug5069@reddit (OP)
Submission Statement: I thought I’d share a good news story for once. Turns out if you poison the air, water, food chain, and endocrine systems long enough, falling birth rates start handling the degrowth conversation for you. Since modern society refuses to choose planned reductions in consumption and throughput, limits have made the decision for us. Our explosive growth was only possible because of cheap fossil fuels, and now the bill is coming due. The cause is grim, obviously, but fewer people was always inevitable. Clever as we think we are, we’re our own Great Filter; a species aware enough to understand the pain and destruction we cause, yet seemingly content to carry on with business as usual.