Is Minnesota the whitest progressive state?
Posted by HotOne9364@reddit | AskAnAmerican | View on Reddit | 74 comments
Before anyone says VT, it doesn't qualify since I'm talking about states with over 2m non-Hispanic whites and a ratio of over 70%.
Current NHW pop of MN: 4,329,205 est. (74.7%)
It's been voting blue since the late 70s. The old logic's that white dominated states tend to vote right wing, MN seems to be an outlier.
Another old logic's that the states with the biggest cites tend to be Democrat. Yet, MN has 3 (2 if you count the Twin Cities). Combine all of them (859,668 est) that's nearly 15% the entire pop of 5,830,405.
Why do you think that is?
Stinky_Butt_Haver@reddit
Oregon is 85% white and fairly progressive.
CheeseEveryMeal@reddit
Oregon also gets uncomfortably weird in the other direction once you leave Portland and Eugene.
Decent_Concern8751@reddit
So do Vermont, California, Minnesota
CheeseEveryMeal@reddit
I'm from Wisconsin and am therefore very familiar with Minnesota. I know rural Minnesota Republicans. I've been to their Thanksgivings. I have them in my extended family. They may be Republican, but not weird Republicans.
I've lived in The Bay Area for 12 years and take pride in traveling and getting to know where I live. Shit gets weird in Redding/Shasta and up in the hills of NorCal, but it just doesn't move the needle for the entire state. Just like Minnesota, The Central Valley may be Republican and you may not like their views, but they're not crazy.
And then you have Washington and Oregon. Do you know why Antifa and leftist movements are so engrained in the culture of Portland and Seattle? Because for decades, libertarian white supremacist weirdos from rural Oregon and Washington have been trying to come in and exert influence in their cities and state governments. They've had to organize to defend against them. Its just an insult to Minnesota or California to make the comparison.
I can't speak for Vermont. I just know its liberal and white as hell.
GimmeShockTreatment@reddit
Yeah I’ve said this before but Minnesota/Wisconsin republicans are definitely the least crazy in the US imo. Awesome people tbh.
Decent_Concern8751@reddit
I don’t discriminate amongst republicans in 2026, they all voted for racism and facism. Rural Vermont is a lot like rural Montana or Colorado - they love guns and are fairly libertarian.
CheeseEveryMeal@reddit
Okay. Welp, have a good one!
HotSauce2910@reddit
While Portland and the college towns are progressive I feel like Eastern Oregon is so right win it disqualifies the state 😭
HotOne9364@reddit (OP)
It's so weird. OR has 6 major cities with a combined population of over 1m people. The entire OR population outnumbers them. How do the right still lose there?
PacSan300@reddit
The area where the great majority of Oregon residents live, the Willamette Valley, leans Democrat.
Decent_Concern8751@reddit
That’s the rural parts of everywhere
HotSauce2910@reddit
No no no
Like Eastern Oregon isn’t just conservative, it’s like a Neo Nazi hub similar to Idaho
Decent_Concern8751@reddit
I am well versed in eastern Oregon and the Idaho panhandle but my point stands
eugenesbluegenes@reddit
All forty people who live out there?
band-of-horses@reddit
Yeah but also nobody lives there.
HotOne9364@reddit (OP)
Yes, that's another state. I was gonna mention that one along with MN if not for the text limits.
SabresBills69@reddit
this is flawed.
why use 2M?
more than 50% of the state population is in the urban twin cities metro area
HotOne9364@reddit (OP)
Even so, that's still pretty white at 70-72%.
The 2M cutoff was because that wouldn't include the other states that are whiter by percentage but have a smaller population.
SabresBills69@reddit
What are you trying to show?
HotOne9364@reddit (OP)
That a state like MN has politics similar to CA than it does a fellow midwestern, white state like OH.
SabresBills69@reddit
comparing apples to oranges…..
HotOne9364@reddit (OP)
So what you're saying is that it all comes down to different cultures the ultimately don't revolve around race?
SabresBills69@reddit
yes. Just because you are white doesn’t mean you are Republican. Just because you are Hispanic doesn’t mean you vote Democrat.
cities tend to be more democratic while rural tend to be more republican
JefeRex@reddit
The Minneapolis-St. Paul metro area, including the city and suburbs, is over 60% of the state’s population. Only a couple other states like Illinois and Hawaii are so dominated by one metro area. That is most of the reasons. Metros the size of the Twin Cities are blue. Rural Minnesota is pretty red like Iowa.
Decent_Concern8751@reddit
Nevada, Utah, Arizona, Colorado, Massachusetts, Oregon, Florida, New York. It’s not very uncommon
JefeRex@reddit
No, you’re very off with some of these. Miami doesn’t even come close to dominating Florida, with Orlando and Tampa and then even Jacksonville.
https://landgeist.com/2023/12/26/population-living-in-states-largest-metro-area-in-the-us/
Decent_Concern8751@reddit
Oh yeah I don’t know where Florida came from i take that back. The rest are not off at all
JefeRex@reddit
Not Oregon, Utah, or Colorado either. Maybe Utah would count if you took the whole Salt Lake CSA instead of the MSA.
Decent_Concern8751@reddit
Denver aurora is 60% of Colorado. Utah front range is 80% of the state (Provo and Orem are their own statistical area but that’s just on paper they’re all on top of one another), Portland metro about 50% of state population
JefeRex@reddit
Denver is less than half but I see Portland at 60%. We are looking at different numbers. Where are you looking?
ElusiveMeatSoda@reddit
This is a complex question but with a flawed premise (and an arbitrary population cutoff to avoid counting Vermont). For one, the population figures are way off. Almost 2/3 of the state lives in the Twin Cities metro. For two, the presidential election streak is somewhat of a quirk due to Mondale's popularity in his home state. Mostly, margins in MN are pretty tight -- much tighter than other blue strongholds of recent decades. And third, there's a difference between Progressive and Voted For a Democrat in a Presidential Election.
You're right that Minnesota is progressive, though, and that is notable given its demographics. A lot of it is cultural. The state was settled by Scandinavians and has carried some of that emphasis on social services and civic engagement into the modern era. It's also a strong labor state (its party is literally called the Democrat-Farmer-Labor party) and I think that broader coalition has helped it weather recent political shifts better. It's also highly educated. Lastly, perhaps more of a personal observation and adjacent to my first point about Scandinavians, is the harsh climate. That shared experience of hostile-to-human-life weather seems to foster a more egalitarian politics than in other places.
HotOne9364@reddit (OP)
TBF, the arbitrary cutoff was the 1976 voting streak.
Away-Parsnip-3785@reddit
Why don’t you consider White Hispanics White?
My sister is a blonde FFS and my dad has blue eyes.
possums101@reddit
Bro said DONT erase our whiteness! 😤
Away-Parsnip-3785@reddit
It’s just so arbitrary
DancingWithAWhiteHat@reddit
Are you familiar with the phrase white presenting? Black American families have been dealing with the whole "I have white skin but am not white thing) for a long time. Especially during Jim Crow. So yeah, white latinos generally aren't considered white by a lot of the US. Certainly not by the people who currently run our country.
Away-Parsnip-3785@reddit
That doesn’t make any sense
maaya_the_bee@reddit
Tbh white passing/presenting is usually specific to Black American and has historical connotations with that phrasing, it makes perfect sense if you know the history. White latine people are still white obviously because being Mexican, for example, can be a nationality or an ethnicity. Racist people in the US often think that if you're from Mexico you are the "race" Mexican (always with darker skin) when Mexicans can be any race.
DancingWithAWhiteHat@reddit
Did you learn black history in highschool?
Away-Parsnip-3785@reddit
Yes
It still doesn’t make sense
America is weird
DancingWithAWhiteHat@reddit
I mean yeah. The concepts of black and white in this country are made up lmao. So is race.
Presumably you're not American? If you're Argentinian, you may have a shot at being considered white.
HotOne9364@reddit (OP)
Anya Taylor Joy's ancestry is English and Spanish, but Variety called her a "poc" because of her Argentina parents. Lol
DancingWithAWhiteHat@reddit
Lol nvm 😭
HotOne9364@reddit (OP)
I do. It's the rest of the country that don't realize you can be of Spaniard descent and still be seen as "non-white". That's just how our education works.
CheeseEveryMeal@reddit
Jesus Christ you seem insufferable.
Curmudgy@reddit
This constraint doesn’t match your title question. The limit on title lengths isn’t that severe, so you could probably have made the title “Is MN the whitest progressive state with a non-Hispanic white population over 2M”.
But it seems an odd way to draw attention to racial politics.
HotOne9364@reddit (OP)
I know. I've already had this discussion below.
tsukiii@reddit
Remember that the cities’ surrounding suburbs make up the whole metro area. The Twin Cities metro area is ~2.7M.
HotOne9364@reddit (OP)
Metro that includes WI, correct?
tsukiii@reddit
A small portion of it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minneapolis%E2%80%93Saint_Paul
HotOne9364@reddit (OP)
Looking at the states, it's still 70-72% NHW. Which seems too high for a blue-leaning metro area, again, by conventional wisdom.
tsukiii@reddit
That’s not what I was arguing, I was commenting on the part where you said the cities only made up 15% of the state’s population.
HotOne9364@reddit (OP)
I wasn't directly commenting on your post. I was bringing up a statistic.
myrainydayss@reddit
I think I’ve heard that Vermont or other New England states are fairly liberal. Vermont is also over 90% white
HotOne9364@reddit (OP)
Vermont has a higher percentage but also over 500,000 people. I'm talking about states with over 2m, not just percentage.
band-of-horses@reddit
Why does that matter? What's the significance of 2m white people?
HotOne9364@reddit (OP)
Because you can have a big ratio like that with such a small overall population. MN has over 5m people. Vermont's close to 650K.
eugenesbluegenes@reddit
You should have asked "is Minnesota is the whitest progressive state with >2M non- Hispanic white people?"
HotOne9364@reddit (OP)
...fair point
Decent_Concern8751@reddit
Well yeah you made up statistics that would probably only fit Minnesota
HotOne9364@reddit (OP)
True but MN is also the only state that's voted blue since 1976. That's the other big point.
Decent_Concern8751@reddit
It’s a swingy state despite that with lots of presidential elections coming close and a republican senator until 2009 who was unseated by like 44 votes
JoshHuff1332@reddit
Because it doesn't fit the narrative lol
CivisSuburbianus@reddit
You seem to be set on the idea that MN is the only exception to this rule of whiter states being more right-wing, but most of New England is white and liberal.
HotOne9364@reddit (OP)
New England's liberal states tend to have below 70% ratio. They're definitely white but not compared to MN or Oregon for that matter.
CivisSuburbianus@reddit
Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine, Massachusetts and Rhode Island are all >70% NHW.
HotOne9364@reddit (OP)
MA's 65%, plus it has a larger pop than MN. It technically has more NHWs than MN, the ratio is smaller since it's a lot more diverse.
California has more NHWs than any state but the ratio is also very small.
CivisSuburbianus@reddit
I'm not really sure why you asked this question, you seem like you already have your answer based on the parameters you set.
HotOne9364@reddit (OP)
My question is why does it seem like this state is an outlier?
RektInTheHed@reddit
It's even weirder for an entirely rural white state to be Democratic.
mothman83@reddit
"t doesn't qualify since I'm talking about states with over 2m" delete thread, directly state this in your title in your reposted version.
HotOne9364@reddit (OP)
My post was deleted by the mods for going over the text limit. I was gonna edit it before they removed it.
HotSauce2910@reddit
It sounds like you’ve done the research to know the answer is yes.
As to why, I’d guess it has something to do in part with the fact that Democratic politics there has been much more labor oriented than elsewhere
PBRStreetgang1979@reddit
Could the state that begat Prince ever really be that white?