Recently I got a temp ban for criticizing Israel.

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Efficient_Elk_5243@reddit

For all people who argue about what is "Balkan".

Balkan, Balkan "peninsula" & South-Eastern Europe is not the same.
The same is also not; everything South from Danube & Sava is Balkan {with other words South-Eastern Europe} & not everything North from Danube & Sava is Central Europe.

“Ne bi” se piše narazen in “marsičesa” ne bi bilo treba razlagati - rodilnik.

Ofc I am Austrian, don’t be so primitive. Ethnicity and nationality are different concepts.

then you should know very well that they are close to Germans (obviously), even if they never shared a nation apart from the infamous mustache man years.

Do you non ironically believe that Austrians feel closer to Slovenians as Germans ?

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DullBirthday6750@reddit

Noone was talking about being similar to germany or Austria. I don’t want to be germanic. And the fact you just mentioned ethnicity and nationality says everything. And yes alot of Austrians did express that they feel closer to slovenes then some other parts of austria or germany. Particularly in steiermark

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Imaginary_String_814@reddit

😂😂😂😂😂

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DullBirthday6750@reddit

The only one insecure about their heritage is you considering you have a foreign flag in your name.

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Imaginary_String_814@reddit

not really but as mentioned you have to move form ur primitive mindset if you wanna be considered more western, wich you painfully want.

I bear the flag of the nation i grew up in and consider my home. Your insecure as fuck about the perception of Sloviena on the internet.

your literally posting in Askbalkans while claiming you dont belong here, cant be more balkan as that.

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Imaginary_String_814@reddit

this is quite true, but...

you have to keep in mind that there's A LOT OF Serbs and Bosnians live there, so they add that "balkan spice" to the country 😄

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Efficient_Resource15@reddit (OP)

I have seen everything from people saying they are totally balkan, to just half, to not at all, even calling them little austrians or saying they are southern czechs/slovaks. As a romanian I haven't had any proper interaction with them and even our media doesnt and pop culture has no connection to Slovenia so I am just trying to learn more

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tipoftheiceberg1234@reddit

They may claim to be Balkan when it comes to partying but that’s only because Serbian music became something acceptable to blast in clubs during Yugoslavia. It would be the exact same thing in Slovakia if it was part of Yugoslavia too.

Otherwise than that - folk music, dance, costumes, traditional foods, climate, history… they’re up there with the Czechs. There’s even hypotheses (albeit, mostly discredited) that Slovenes are West Slavs (like Polish, Czech, Slovak) but that they were “absorbed” by south slavs.

Oh do they support Israel? Ew

That opinion aside… I would not associate you guys with Serbs or Bulgarians. More like Slovaks and Polish

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crivycouriac@reddit

Czechs are the most hardcore of Israel supporters. Almost like their whole nationhood of loving Israel.

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lesalesa23j@reddit

Interesting how almost all protestant/calvinist countries are very pro israel…

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NightZT@reddit

It's sad how true this assessment is. I'm a protestant myself and one time I went to church the priest was rambling how Israel will crush the muslim "invaders". 3/4 of my family is catholic however so I'm also quite often in the catholic church and the priest there talked about all the inhuman things Israel does to the Palestinians.

It very well aligns with the protestants being constantly on the wrong side of history. Where I'm from there was also a very significant difference in nazi party membership between protestant villages and catholic villages

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tipoftheiceberg1234@reddit

I was not aware of this. That’s awful. They have a duty to inform themselves better.

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DullBirthday6750@reddit

We are not balkan and thats that

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Imaginary_String_814@reddit

But nobody identifies as Central Europe. There is no Central European culture.

This term isn’t a thing in Austria, nobody would claim here he is Central European.

They are perceived as Balkan, just less aggressive.

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tipoftheiceberg1234@reddit

nobody identifies as Central Europe

And you’re the authority on that?

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Imaginary_String_814@reddit

Are you guys trolling ?

Do you honestly believe any German speaker identifies as Central European, like he would say he’s actually Central European in an actual conversation?

This term you see maybe on the internet but in reality nobody uses it, as mentioned there is no Central European culture (like there is no Balkan culture)

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Big-Vegetable4550@reddit

There is no Balkan culture. I guess we should shut down this subreddit then, just like someone must have shutdown r/AskCentralEurope ! (Of course there is a Balkan culture, and it’s obvious to anyone that lives here. Central European culture - nah, never heard of that.)

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Imaginary_String_814@reddit

what is balkan culture ?

Oh

I sourced the 150 years thing from this

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sintavovy@reddit

I see, I understand now. The article about the Budin Eyalet mentions Slovaks living on the territory of the Budin Eyalet. These were Slovaks who lived south of the Slovak-Hungarian ethnic border, in what is today Hungary. The first map in the article states that part of northern Hungary (Principality of upper Hungary) was briefly a vassal state of the Ottoman Empire during one of the uprisings of local nobility, for two years. However, in reality, the Turks never physically occupied any territory north of the Slovak-Hungarian ethnic border, apart from Nové Zámky and Fiľakovo. They did carry out raids, but they never actually took control of those lands. Except for that short period of two years when it was a vassal state, the territory of Upper Hungary remained under Habsburg control the entire time.

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akin111@reddit

As a Slovenian living in the Czech Republic, I would love to have burek and ćevapi available in every restaurant or bakery, just like in Slovenia.

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tipoftheiceberg1234@reddit

My bad for not specifying I meant frozen food.

At least that’s how it was when I went to the Czech Grocery store. They had something like this

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koxxlc@reddit

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tipoftheiceberg1234@reddit

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Eastern_Fix7541@reddit

the per capita consumption of Burek in Slovenia is enough to make this question relevant.

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Toren6969@reddit

Tbh as a Czech I feel in Slovenia like I am at home. Even more than in Slovakia (minus the language). Like smaller and slightly more clean (more Austrian) home, but not stiff like Austria is.

I also like northern Croatia, but the vibe there Is defintelly different. Weirdly from my personal experience I see it like Slovenia = Czechia, Croatia = Slovakia and Serbia Is just Balkan version of Hungary.

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Sir0liver@reddit

nice comparation 😄

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PrayForCheese@reddit

As another Czech, I feel totally the same!

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Ask Melania!

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xripkan@reddit

You can't go from Austria to proper Balkans

It just feels more "balkan" than Ljubljana. And Istria is just italian.

I thought this is what we are doing here, deciding which countries "feel" balkan.
Because other than feel, Slovenia has nothing to do with the Balkan peninsula. Same as a bunch of other countries (Romania, Hungary, half of Croatia, half of Serbia etc).

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Specialist-Juice-591@reddit

At least the southern parts is geographically Balkan

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int23_t@reddit

Ljubljiana itself is geographically in Balkans, can't say the same for Zagreb, so there is that.

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Esdoorn-Acer@reddit

Ljubljana is geographically not in Balkan.

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Apparently I was wrong I thought it was south of Danube and Sava but after Sava it goes to another tributary of Sava so neither Ljubjliana or Zagreb is in Balkans

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Ronaldinjchina@reddit

The borders of the Balkans region are, due to a multitude of contrasting definitions, widely disputed, with no universal agreement on its components

That's from your link.

There's no geographical definition since Balkans isn't a geographic term. Both Zagreb and Ljubljana can be a part of Balkans if you choose a definition that supports that.

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int23_t@reddit

South of Danube is widely agreed on, but after Danube and Sava split it's not. Though the map on the link is aupposed to be the most common definition, so Danube Sava Krska is what they have.

Balkans is a geographic region btw, your claim about it not being geographic is totally wrong, it's a peninsula. The problem is peninsulas have arbitrary definitions.

But apart from river Sava, what would you suggest the northern border of Balkan peninsula to be? You can't do danube that includes as far as Budapest. Maybe you can go with Drava but while peninsulas inland borders are not defined it's sea borders are defined(to at least be on sea) so you would somehow need to turn the Drava border to the Adriatic sea at some point.

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Ronaldinjchina@reddit

Balkans is a geographic region btw,

Nope, geopolitical only.

it's a peninsula

It's not, that's why its impossible to define it's geographic borders.

Even the link you chose says so. Here's two examples, but there's more:

The geographical term of a peninsula defines that the sea border must be longer than the land border, with the land side being the shortest in the triangle, but that is not the case for the Balkan Peninsula. The national borders of the Balkans are, due to many contrasting definitions, widely disputed, with no universal agreement on its components.

But apart from river Sava, what would you suggest the northern border of Balkan peninsula to be?

You can choose what ever criteria you want since Balkans isn't a geographical term.

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int23_t@reddit

The Balkans (/ˈbɔːlkənz/ BAWL-kənz, /ˈbɒlkənz/ BOL-kənz[1]), corresponding partially with the Balkan Peninsula, is a geographical area in southeastern Europe with various geographical and historical definitions.[2][3][4] The region takes its name from the Balkan Mountains that stretch throughout the whole of Bulgaria.[5] The Balkan Peninsula is bordered by the Adriatic Sea in the northwest, the Ionian Sea in the southwest, the Aegean Sea in the south, the Turkish straits in the east, and the Black Sea in the northeast. The northern border of the peninsula is variously defined.[6] The highest point of the Balkans is Musala, 2,925 metres (9,596 ft), in the Rila mountain range, Bulgaria.

The first paragraph of the wikipedia page of Balkans. Balkan Peninsula is a geographical area in southeastern Europe with various geographical and historical definitions.

The balkan Peninsula is bordered by the Adriatic sea

the borthern border of the peninsula is variously defined.

The Balkan Peninsula is bounded by the Adriatic Sea to the west, the Mediterranean Sea (including the Ionian and Aegean seas) and the Sea of Marmara to the south and the Black Sea to the east. Its northern boundary is subject to varying interpretations, but is often given as the Danube, Sava and Kupa Rivers.[34] [35][36][37] The Balkan Peninsula has a combined area of about 470,000 km2 (181,000 sq mi). The peninsula is generally encompassed in the region known as Southeast Europe.

(a concrete geographical definition)

In all the comments I was refering to Balkan peninsula and not Balkans which may be the cause of confusion. The article never has disputes about the borders of Balkan peninsula, only on the borders of Balkans(the geopolitical, non geogeaphical term). If you refer to Balkan peninsula as something that exists it has concrete borders of Danube Sava and Kupa. If you reject Balkan peninsula as something that exists then it's definition is whatever you want sure, but if that's your case you shouls have specified it within your first comment.

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Ronaldinjchina@reddit

(a concrete geographical definition)

Yeah, of a region, not of a peninsula. You can define anything geographically, putting some arbitrary borders on it doesn't make it a peninsula.

In all the comments I was refering to Balkan peninsula

Yeah, I know. I'm trying to explain to you that it's not a peninsula as it doesn't follow the definition of a peninsula. "Balkan Peninsula" isn't a peninsula eventhough it has peninsula in its name. It's an arbitrary geopolitical/historical/whatever region of Europe. It's explained multiple times in the article you're referencing, just read your source and this whole debate becomes pointless.

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int23_t@reddit

I read the whole article, and when it talks about atbitrariness it always names it "Balkans" and not "Balkan peninsula", it mentions a few times that "Balkan peninsula" does not exist, which I realize is the case, but if we assume it exists it's definition is concrete. The arbitrarily defined thing is "Balkans".

"Balkans" does not have a definition. "Balkan peninsula" does not exist but has a concrete well defined definition.

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Ronaldinjchina@reddit

but if we assume it exists

What do you mean if we assume it exists? Balkan peninsula is a name of a region, it's not really a peninsula. It's just an unfortunate name. So yeah balkan peninsula does exist, but it's just an arbitrary region wrongly called a peninsula. How can you assume something is a peninsula if it clearly isn't?

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int23_t@reddit

Like I said, the wikipedia article deals with this problem by splitting the "geographical" and geopolitical regions. "Geographical" region is called Balkan Peninsula, and has the concrete definition of times before geographers decided it'a not a peninsula(which is a relatively new thing) and Balkans is the geopolitical region.

"Balkan peninsula" is decided that it doesn't exist, but still has the historical concrete definition. "Balkans" never had a concrete definition. You can fix every issue in this debate by using said approach, any modern (and therefore arbitrary) definition is for "Balkans", and the old incorrect geographical definition is for the non-existent term "Balkan peninsula"

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Ronaldinjchina@reddit

So you are choosing a disproven definition because you like it? By that logic you can choose to believe in geocentrism, flat earth or anything really. What's the point?

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int23_t@reddit

No, I am saying "Balkan peninsula" is not a term that exists anymore but if you use it has a definition and is different from Balkans. Also, geography is just arbitrary, it's not really a positive science, old definition of peninsula is not "disproven". You don't have proofs in geography. It's just widely agreed on to not use the old definition anymore, but every definition in Geography is arbitrary.

Europe being a continent has less geographical "proof" then Balkan peninsula being a term, while Europe apparently is a continent. Geography isn't maths. It isn't physics. It's not even as well defined as linguistics or sociology or psychology, it's basically philosophy with extra steps. And European "continent" is the prime proof of said thing.

So no, "Balkan peninsula" is not disproven, just someone thought it wasn't a convenient term.

And I like the definition so I will use it, cause any other definition feels too arbitrary, and I don't like arbitrary things. I like when borders are conveniently on mountains or rivers.

You are free to not agree with that, but you aren't free to say it's "disproven"

Geocentrism is not "disproven" either btw, you can model everything centered around earth. If you assume earth is a stationary observer then Sun orbits around Earth and Mars orbits around sun which orbits around earth. It's just not convenient to model things this way, so we defined orbits to be around the larger object. But as the objects get closer in size it gets arbitrary. Does Makemake really orbit Pluto, or does Pluto orbit Makemake, or do both orbit each other. The answer is, they both orbit their collective center od mass, and earth and sun both orbit their collective center of mass(which to be fair is probably inside sun)

Not that you should model everything around earth, there is a reason it's deemed inconvenient, it really is inconvenient for calculations and would be way more arbitrary then the largest object. But that doesn't mean it's disproven it's just outdated and inconvenient and nobody should model things like that.

Rather, relativity states that the Sun, the Earth, the Moon, Jupiter, or any other point for that matter could be chosen as a center of the Solar System with equal validity

from the wikipedia page of geocentrism. We just chose sun because it's convenient. Same goes for peninsulas. We chose definitions because they are convenient, both geocentrism and old peninsula are old and inconvenient but not "wrong"

The same can not be said for flat earth however. Flat earth is disproven by simply taking a photo of the earth from space. Or going around the earth. It's not just inconvenient, it's plain wrong.

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Esdoorn-Acer@reddit

There is no definition that puts Ljubljana in balkan tho

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Ronaldinjchina@reddit

I guess there are some definitions that include Slovenia, Hungary and Moldova, but as I said, it's completely arbitrary and holds no significance. There's basically no right or wrong definition since it isn't a geographic region. You can take Ottoman borders as the border, you can also consider the influence of Austria-Hungary and the influence of socialism to adjust those borders, but in the end it's fluid and dependant on context.

Have you been mostly to Gries and Lend while in Graz?

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GigachadKIVA@reddit

Gries is the center of foreigners. Source: I'm from Graz

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blitzzardpls@reddit

Kebab central

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7amdrei7@reddit

I don't know which areas those are. I stayed in the centre, in a semi-pedestrian area (there was a tram I think).

Lets be honest, half of Austrians behave far worst than any "bad" balkan, especily when they are drunk.

Slovenia is where central european civilisation meets balkan barbary.

Weak argument 😉

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Responsible-Swim-155@reddit

I politely disagree. On contrary, those particular swears were not being used before balkanisation of Slovenians, for which this is a direct proof, specially considering that we share same linguistic origin.

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Esdoorn-Acer@reddit

Again. They do exist.

It is true that those words got STANDARNIZED and WIDESPREAD around Slovenia in casual speach in times of Yugoslavia.

Words like j*, p, k** go back to proto slavic so they existed long before Yugoslavia…we’re talking centuries earlier.

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Responsible-Swim-155@reddit

Yes, their versions do exist but that is irrelevant because they were not being used in the exact same manner as in the rest of Balkans before Yuga, as you say it yourself.

Which again proofs balkanisation in a certain linguistic sense.

At the end of the story, you feel as you choose to, you can consider yourself even Austrian if you wish…you wouldn’t be the first one (read Carinthian Plebiscite from 1920).

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Esdoorn-Acer@reddit

Yes they are used in the same manner as in Serbocroatian speaking countries (not gonna say “the rest of the Balkans” because there is also Albania, Greece, Romania which don’t even speak slavic languages, not sure what’s the situation in Macedonia or Bulgaria with those words).

This isn’t really about “balkanization” as such but just result of Yugoslavia and stronger one-way influence of Serbo-Croatian language. For example, Serbo-Croatian has many Turkish words but you wouldn’t really call that middle easternization, would you?

I consider myself Slovenian and Slavic. It should be that complicated. Yugoslavia is long dead.

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Responsible-Swim-155@reddit

No I wouldn’t, but I wouldn’t deny its cultural influence…which what we discussing here, specially since common assumption that Serbia is Balkan due to Turkish occupation. There is a bit of Yugo in you, don’t be so tight…I bet you went to some “Zaklonišče Prepeva” concert back in the times.

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Esdoorn-Acer@reddit

Cultural influence? We are talking about language not culture. Serbia is Balkan because of its geographical location, culture and history.

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Esdoorn-Acer@reddit

I don’t swear in Serbian. If anything that’s Serbo-Croatian. That’s how the language was called in Yugoslavia right?

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ebjfid2468@reddit

I would say in general we are more central than balkan...I think because there are a lot of balkan people who live here and the cultural differences are very much apparent. That being said it depends on the family, some are more balkan, some are more central.

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Resident_Heron_5490@reddit

Historically, I think we didn't see ourselves as Balkan, since we had more ties to Austria and Czechia especially inside the austro-hungarian Kingdom. After the founding of Kingdom of Yugoslavia and especially after WWII and federal Yugoslavia we had close ties to the Balkans proper and quite a lot of people migrated (and to some extent continue to do so), so now you can easily find Balkan music, food, slang... here, too. All in all, I'd say most ethnic Slovenes don't see ourselves as Balkan, but we have a considerable number of people with Balkan family ties and they're proudly Balkan.

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SorryAd1377@reddit

Balkans is a mix of turkish and russian influence. There is no "balkan peninsula".

Slovenia is def not balkan.

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Karantanija10@reddit

IT IS 100% CENTRAL!

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WorldlinessSuch1013@reddit

I am not a Slovenian but a German who has travelled to Slovenia, Croatia, Montenegro and Bosnia-Herzegovina. In my opinion, Slovenia is clearly different from the rest of the Balkans. This is shown, for example, in the appreciation of public space: In Slovenia everything is super clean, modern infrastructure, no garbage. Unfortunately, this is different in the rest of the Balkans (Sorry, Croatia!)

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Responsible-Swim-155@reddit

Don’t be such an egomaniac

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Janosh_Poha@reddit

A basic Google search will tell you that the territory is a geological peninsula

The Balkans lack all notable geographic features of a peninsula though. No isthmus, no maritime climate (because it genuinely isn’t surrounded by water)… what kind of a peninsula is defined by a river, after all?

Culture was always the major criteria for the Balkans, geography was an afterthought.

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Poglavnik_Majmuna01@reddit

The only Balkan features of Slovenia are those brought to the country by foreigners in the 20th century.

Esdoorn-Acer@reddit

We would presume that as well but unfortunately not the reality.

When I’m in Croatia, I feel like I’m more Central European, more quiet, and just different. But when I’m in Austria, I suddenly feel Balkan, more relaxed, a different energy, just different again.

Intresting. Very odd combination.

Good question, you got me, because I'm having difficulty writing it down. A sort of "fuck it, we're screwed anyway, so let's at least have fun while it lasts", connected with a strange tolerance to corruption ("everyone's doing it, so why not me") while being obnoxiously patriotic.

That, or I'm full of shit ;)

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Esdoorn-Acer@reddit

Hmm can’t relate to that at all.

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DullBirthday6750@reddit

Nope

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chunek@reddit

Hello from Slovenia, I consider it part of Central Europe, which is also how we define our country at Geography classes.

The reason being shared history, culture and also landscape. We have been part of the same entities as Austria since the Carolingian times, over a thousand years ago, been part of the HRE for its entirety, part of the Archduchy of Austria since the 15th century, our duchies used to belong to Inner Austria with the capital Graz, Maria Theresia played a major role in our early education, and the former path from Vienna to Trieste also influenced us greatly.

I myself having only seen Slovenia from within my car travelling to italy I felt it looked closer to austria than any places in the balkans.

Closest I can compare it to is romanian transylvania which isn't even balkan, i'd dare say southern romania looks very balkan compared to either of them.

I consider Slovenia as part of the Balkan Peninsula, but overall we are a bit of a mix of Balkan and central Europe. This goes for the culture, architecture and our behaviour I would say. It also varies from area to area, but personally I would say we are more Central European. 🤷‍♀️

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trisul-108@reddit

I consider Slovenia as part of the Balkan Peninsula

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RetiredBy30orDead@reddit

They are wealthier than the germans i cant fathom how the did it.

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DrDoom40@reddit

Slovenia sounds like Slavic country but looks more like an Italian-austrian one

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Warm_Researcher_5721@reddit

I would say it's mixed. They're most similar to northwestern Croatia overall. Geographically it's mixed too:

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tfojemama@reddit

Croatia is not real Balkan as well....

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Zigonce@reddit

The Kolpa river divides man and beast

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Federal-Routine7619@reddit

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Imaginary_String_814@reddit

They are Slovenian.

There is no Balkan culture, neither Central European one.

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sarmoman@reddit

They are balkans pretending to be something else but in the end the truth always surfaces

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Infinite-Top-2609@reddit

I live abroad and when i visit slovenia i always fly to Vienna and continue with train from there. When i land in Vienna i fell like: "this balkan. Home near." Especially when i can choose whether to order a cup of coffe in german or bosnian. So yes. Everything below Vienna- balkan.

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Expensive_Bus_6576@reddit

Not balkan. You have quite a large % of balkans living in slovenia, but slovenians are not balkan. Way more in common with austrians than with balkans. Also mentality is anti balkan. But yeah, a large % of population are balkans going to "switzerland". 😂 native slovenians are not balkan.

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Adeptass@reddit

It's not as complicated as it sounds. Balkans is where Orthodox Christians live subjugated by the Ottoman Empire.

Central Europe is where the Germans settled and Western Christianity ruled.

You can measure that in any atlas. :)

Thank you for asking such a glorious question.

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Ujemegaz@reddit

You waited all your life to reply so valiantly.

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Gizmo77776@reddit

I could have gone to history but yawn....

But who knows maybe Albania will be locomotive of The Balkans in next century?

The term Balkan is quite comical.

You can have Balkan in Vienna as well if we want to make a theory.

Then try going into a Croatian village, you know you are in the Balkans. Why? Unfinished homes, one way roads without markings, parkings are made out of dust, and not asphalt. Grass is green but yellow on edges, etc etc. That style of Croatian villages repeats in all Balkan states + Hungary, and you can clearly see it.

edible_string@reddit

I don't know if we do, do you?

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zibo12@reddit

I think they are more central european than balkan..

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standbymeme@reddit

I’m Slovenian ethnically but born in Australia, and having been a few times to the villages my family are from there is 100% more similarities in the vibe with Croatia then there is with Austria. I think the food and also the architecture of old town Ljubljana is more Central European so Slovenians like to use that as examples of why they are not Balkan, but they are to me definitely still Balkan (but as someone else said, the transition zone)

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SoundConfident3925@reddit

You're confusing poverty with culture. Nearly 90% of Slovenian towns possess a medieval, Central European core identical to those found in Austria or Bavaria. And the vibe you're talking about isn't Balkan, because be sure we in Slovenia and Croatia (some parts) still commonly eat sauerkraut, a clear indicator of our connections with Sarajevo or Istanbul.

Honestly i bet my head, you never seen Slovenia not even on yt video. Čefur.

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Particular_Acadia545@reddit

I think food/architecture wise it is hard to have it as a reference for „balkan“. Balkan should be geographically peninsula, and both Slovenia and Croatia are partially in it. With state of mind - i think it is both mixed. As a Croatian I put Croatians like 60% balkan. We have different regions, different architecture (Dalmatia vs Zagorje vs Slavonija vs Zagreb vs Istria vs Lika) and with that we have also have different food. Thinking of „balkan“ food, i would think heavy food like sarma, filled paprika, which I think dominates in Slavonija. Dalmatia/Istria has a lot sea food and then I would take it out as „Mediterranean/Adriatic“ compared to saying we are „Balkan“.

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Ok_Tie_7564@reddit

While different parts of Croatia are very different from each other, I found the north-western part of Croatia (Zagorje) quite similar to Slovenia. Even their dialect (Kajkavski) sounds similar to the Slovenian language.

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Affectionate_Kiwi719@reddit

Only real use of term would be how they even started to use it, for politics.

Geographicly, def not.

Culture and history def not.

Never been under ottomans so could not be Balkan, def not during 1848 when it was used at Berlin Congres.

Only similarities is theres bunch Serbs and other there so they make it look like more Balkan.

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RichAssociate534@reddit

We did not experience the war and war crimes from Serbia so our culture is not fuck up

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DerpaNet3000@reddit

I have never been to Slovenia, but I play a lot of Geoguessr. In Slovenia I always get more Austrian vibes than Balkan vibes. By that I mean landscape, architecture, etc

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MMortein@reddit

I think the border between the Balkan and "Europe" would be the Croatian and Slavonian military frontier

As a third-party traveler, Slovenia is absolutely more Central European than Balkan.

But don’t misinterpret that. I prefer the Balkans to Central Europe.

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electrash_@reddit

As Croat leave them from Balkan. It’s far better for them

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MatchaAzra@reddit

They were never part of the ottoman empire which leads to a lot of cultural differences compared to the rest of the balkans. I think it is more periphery than balkans. But I do not really care if they consider themselve balkan or not. If they want to, fine with me. I just have very bad feelings towards slovenian people who act like the southern balkans are babaric compared to them. So I think there are very different perspectives on it, some people do everything to be middle european while others consider themselves balkans.

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