“The most likely endpoint is self-termination”- most recent interview with x-risk specialist Luke Kemp
Posted by escapefromburlington@reddit | collapse | View on Reddit | 25 comments
abu_nawas@reddit
Maybe the great filter is ahead of us... Fermi's paradox answered.
ishitar@reddit
I think the Fermi paradox was answered centuries earlier by human brewers who took a brew to 10-15% ABV and found the alcohol concentration killed the yeast. Alcohol at a certain concentration causes protein misfolding, reduces cell membrane integrity, and triggers cell senescence and apoptosis (programmed cell death) via mitochondrial fragmentation and reactive oxygen species. Not so much different than our current novel entity and carbon existential crisis with runaway climate change, nanoplastic, PFAS, POP and organotins, except at much lower environmental concentrations.
SubstituteCS@reddit
Jessie, what the fuck are you talking about.
ishitar@reddit
Linking our present extinction event to Beer brewing. Yeast consume (simple sugar), release pollutants (alcohol), certain alcohol by volume reached, they all die.
As a collective, humanity is no more intelligent than yeast. Certain concentration of carbon in atmosphere reached, certain level of novel entities bioaccumulated in this bottle we call earth. Food supplies go at the same time as universal and severe metabolic dysfunction rippling through all species. Mass and final extinction.
No reason to think any advanced life is that different than base life in any part of the universe. Consume until overshoot then die.
ElephantContent8835@reddit
We are in the middle of Fermi’s Paradox. It started sometime around Reagan or slightly before
abu_nawas@reddit
Not you using USA as the global framework 🤦🏻♂️
times_a_changing@reddit
The USA is the global hegemonic superpower that has for 35 years now ruled as the sole superpower doing anything it wants anywhere it wants. Prior to that its only opposition was the USSR, which was working almost completely alone against the USA and its global ~allies~ vassals. They are by far the most to blame for the collapse of civilisation as they cannot control themselves, they only care about power and violence. Just look at the US objectively: it is the most evil, most vile, most destructive, most dangerous entity to ever exist on this planet.
abu_nawas@reddit
Not disagreeing but this destruction machine is fueled by stupid Americans. And there are so many. I live in Asia and it's weird to see Western image dissolve and evaporate since Trump's first term
Void_of_a_Writer01@reddit
AI will just become another reflection of our most depraved, savage & ruthless instincts which make up the core of what humanity is.
All of that with be supercharged with a cold, algorithmic level of corporate efficiency… which makes sense when you stop viewing global crises as "failures" and start viewing them as “optimized business models” that they apparently are. AI will simply become another tool to turn accountability of those corporations into as much of a “blackbox” as those AI’s.
Effective-Ebb-2805@reddit
Capitalism, like cancer, takes care of itself. It kills the host, and itself along with it. Too bad our civilization in its suicidal rush will take the rest of the world with it.
trivetsandcolanders@reddit
Imo it’s both ahead and behind us, I mean that it doesn’t have to be one or the other…the chances of life as intelligent and capable of making tools as humans is already vanishingly small, and then space is so vast and hostile to life that it will make interstellar travel nearly impossible without destroying the home planet first.
leisurechef@reddit
It’s definitely a race
https://youtu.be/zECyMRI8sV4
Jack_Flanders@reddit
Any way to listen without "signing in"?
Mr_Noyes@reddit
Its on Soundcloud as well.
halcyonmaus@reddit
Can't recommend his book enough.
survivalinsufficient@reddit
What’s the book!
halcyonmaus@reddit
Goliath's Curse
survivalinsufficient@reddit
Thank you. Added to my list
altpopconnoisseur@reddit
Great to see Novara on here. They do good work
Sarah_Cenia@reddit
This show has a lot of worthwhile interviews. The Cory Docterow episode regarding “enshittification” was so good.
MonsieurSocko@reddit
I listened to it today. Really good discussion.
roidbro1@reddit
The fate of all cancer
Vibrant-Shadow@reddit
I've got my plan.
StatementBot@reddit
The following submission statement was provided by /u/escapefromburlington:
SS: Collapse related b/c Kemp studies historical civilizational collapses to inform present-day policy on emerging catastrophic risks like climate change and AI. He warns that today’s systems are so fast and interconnected that a future collapse would likely be global, swift, and irreversible.
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escapefromburlington@reddit (OP)
SS: Collapse related b/c Kemp studies historical civilizational collapses to inform present-day policy on emerging catastrophic risks like climate change and AI. He warns that today’s systems are so fast and interconnected that a future collapse would likely be global, swift, and irreversible.