The "All Things Linux" community has been deleted.
Posted by Two-Of-Nine@reddit | linux | View on Reddit | 339 comments
For those unaware, All Things Linux was a major Discord community that aimed to be an educational resource and had a lot of users participate in it. This server was just suddenly nuked, including a significant amount of its off-chat infrastructure.
KudzuPlant@reddit
It's like we need a decentralized and federated option for these things instead of relying on Discord. IRC chats used to be cool and now Discord wants them to seem antiquated and useless. Mastodon is a thing but instead we have people in here suggesting X as an option.
redit_handoff140@reddit
Moved my community to Matrix, and we now host our own Matrix 2.0 homeserver.
Voice channels with activity-badges, E2EE'd voice, video and screensharing, great performance, we get to moderate our own homeserver, but aren't relegated to a single silo and can federate with many other homeservers. We've even built a curated onboarding experiences for new users.
Last summer, one of the biggest Matrix servers went down - We didn't even realise until the next day when we saw other people in chat talk about it, all conversations continued, even the ones hosted by the downed server. The decentralization of Matrix has reached escape-velocity and it's pretty awesome to just see how it's growing.
MathManrm@reddit
Heya, just to let you know (I do not like discord), but discord does have E2EE voice, video and screen sharing. (I am not looking forward to dealing with that). Not 100% sure how good it is, but it does exist
redit_handoff140@reddit
Thanks for the response.
I am aware of that, but like anything trust-based, I can't trust that unless it's verifiable. Discord's isn't, much like certain other platforms saying that have E2EE when you just can't be sure. Even through packet sniffing it's hard to verify whether the keys being exchanged are for the server, or the chat recipient.
MathManrm@reddit
You can verify it? Like if you're too worried one can use a discord bot to test that the E2EE is enabled and working.
redit_handoff140@reddit
If you can't verify the code encryption and key-exchanges, you can't be certain, period. The discord bot is just like a user, it still talks to the server and may exchange keys with the server and not the client.
BigPete_A6@reddit
Which client do you use? I've tried Element, Cinny, and Fluffychat. While they're all fine, none of them feels great yet. Still, it's worth a little pain to be in control of our server.
redit_handoff140@reddit
My community gets immediately onboarded to Sable (Cinny fork but more features).
Right now it's browser-only, but native apps are being worked on.
Also check out Commet.
Irverter@reddit
They were antiquated even before Discord.
nathacof@reddit
Please tell me how discord advanced the messaging landscape in a technical fashion.
Indolent_Bard@reddit
It made every community have one account. The only equivalent I know is ActivityPub where you can actually access different services with the same account. If ActivityPub forums or chat was a thing, this could theoretically be a frictionless replacement.
Gugalcrom123@reddit
Why not Matrix?
inemsn@reddit
Because Discord became usable first.
This may be weird for some to grasp as matrix started in 2014 and discord only launched in 2015, but the key difference here is that matrix is a protocol, whereas discord is an app. A protocol takes much, much longer to become an industry standard (and to this day it still isn't), whereas an app just needs to get popular, which Discord did very quickly.
Gugalcrom123@reddit
However, technically Matrix is what it should be.
inemsn@reddit
Hey, an open protocol is always better than a proprietary app. But we can't just ignore that it's inherently harder to popularize, especially when it doesn't have a flagship, universally recognized, ideally FLOSS app to implement it.
There's a good reason why the most successful protocols all have this sort of thing: AT has Bluesky, the Fediverse has Mastodon, but what does Matrix have? I guess there's Element, which isn't great but does the job ig, but by the time Element was a decent piece of software, Discord was already very well established.
Indolent_Bard@reddit
There's also the issue that discord is free to use, whereas Matrix requires you to host your own server. Or is it peer to peer?
lurkervidyaenjoyer@reddit
A problem with Matrix guides is that a lot of them I see tell you to host your own server for the 'own your own data' benefits and all that. The issue is most people just want to download an app, maybe set up a login, and just start using it. You CAN do that with Matrix, since matrix.org has its own homeserver, and there probably some others out there you can sign up on as well. It's like most federated programs, like how many on Mastodon just use the Mastodon server and don't spin up their own.
Indolent_Bard@reddit
Sure, but if I just want to have a private chat room, I would have to host it, right? If a content creator wants to create their own server, they would have to host it, right? Granted, if you're big enough to create your own Discord server, you're probably able to afford hosting your own Matrix server.
inemsn@reddit
Not at all. You host your own server if you want to own all your own data, but if that's not a concern for you, using a remote flagship server like matrix.org has no limitations. You can make your own chatrooms and groups on the matrix.org flagship server or any other servers for that matter. Question is, if you have the possibility to control all your data by hosting your own matrix server, do you wanna give that up?
Gugalcrom123@reddit
It is like email. You can self-host, but this does not make it harder for granny to open a Gmail.
Irverter@reddit
I don't see how your questions relates to my comment. IRC was already obsolote when Discord came out.
But answering your question: Discord made IM a seamless experience across platforms (web, desktop mobile, even some consoles) along with social features and voice call, video call and screen sharing, with were it's killer features.
newsflashjackass@reddit
Remember Yahoo! Groups? They're back- in app form!
LurkingDevloper@reddit
The funny thing is, I'm not convinced Discord isn't using a form of IRC over HTTPS for its text chats in the first place. The layout of the whole thing is suspiciously similar.
lurkervidyaenjoyer@reddit
I think Discord used to be IRC-based, but that was ages ago, and now it's what alienpirate said in the other reply.
alienpirate5@reddit
Discord uses a custom Elixir-based backend with a distributed eventually consistent database. They publish an reference for their REST API including all the endpoints that the client uses. Their implementation doesn't have anything to do with IRC.
alienpirate5@reddit
If an IRC channel got deleted, it's not like it contained any message history to begin with anyway. IRC is fun and simple but doesn't meet so many requirements of a modern chat platform.
Emotional_Chard_8005@reddit
More like chat platforms don't meet requirements of a knowledge base. Especially discord.
alienpirate5@reddit
This is true but doesn't have anything to do with what we're talking about. IRC isn't a knowledge base any more than Discord is.
phobug@reddit
IRC Servers have archives tho.
alienpirate5@reddit
The archive isn't part of the IRC protocol, it's out-of-band and kept on a website somewhere.
frostysauce@reddit
IRC servers absolutely store chat history.
otakugrey@reddit
Jabber is still here.
s-e-b-a@reddit
There are self hosted open source Discord alternatives.
minus_minus@reddit
IRC seems too ephemeral. XMPP seems forgotten. Matrix doesn’t seem to participate in any IETF standards making.
Gugalcrom123@reddit
Currently I am preferring Matrix, but XMPP seemed more lightweight and I liked that, though it's not worth using it because there aren't many people to talk to.
doomiestdoomeddoomer@reddit
X? ew...
lilauxy72@reddit
the reason why was because the owner was a pedophile and deleted the whole server , i would assume the owner is trying to completely delete atl and remove herself from the internet currently
Maleficent-One1712@reddit
This is the first time I hear about it.
ExactFun@reddit
Ultimately Discord servers are a form of deep web. You know or you don't know. The knowledge is just not easy for anyone to find or archive.
redit_handoff140@reddit
It's not even deep web.
Deep web is open and can eventually be indexed.
Discord cannot. Discord is a closed garden, where information goes to die.
That's the truth of it.
ExactFun@reddit
I agree. They are also just full of like sketchy people doing sketchy thing. Closed gardens are unsafe for everyone.
Maleficent-One1712@reddit
It's still a misery to me how people find good Discord servers.
ExactFun@reddit
I've never had a good long term experience in one. Its always drama and fighting.
KnockItOffNapoleon@reddit
The only good-ish ones I'm in came from finding one on here, and then members of it leading me to others. There aren't that many though and I'm pretty sure the one that lead me to it all is now banned from posting the ad that I originally found them through.
linuxhiker@reddit
I wonder what the story here is because their website is down too
Ancardoth@reddit
A document regarding the owner's sexual conversations between minors surfaced. It is possible that the presented evidence was doctored, fabricated, tampered with, or otherwise taken out of context. In the end though, not making sure people are of age while making these messages is a massive mistake at best. At worst, you can probably guess.
I would guess the owner deleted everything related to the server and brand. They also announced stepping down, but shutting everything down wasn't said.
nathan22211@reddit
This is leaving out some major context as to why. (All of this is coming from Archcord discord)
The head of the server was recently found to be grooming minors via Discord DMs with at least 3 known victims, one of whom there's substantial evidence to suggest this.
7lhz9x6k8emmd7c8@reddit
Archcord Discord
Self-describing as "no politics" yet has a political flag as avatar.
Self-describing as "don't bring drama or disputes from other communities" yet produces charges against another community.
You can't trust that kind of totalitarian manipulator.
nathan22211@reddit
My guy they produced a Google document under announcements with the evidence in it. I'd link it here but it might get flagged.
Also, you seem act like any LBGTQ flag, or potentially anything else not related to nations/nationality in vexology, would be politically tied.
Ancardoth@reddit
In this case, I don't see how it wouldn't be politically tied.
7lhz9x6k8emmd7c8@reddit
Any non-tech-related flag/logo/symbol is political.
I'd even dislike an anti-Microsoft/GAFAM symbol, as it's defining oneself relatively to something else.
A proud and powerful Linux has nothing to hate on. It is self-sufficient.
Anti-stuff would be relevant on some dedicated topics/forums/threads, for example to fight threats (like citizen profiling aka age verification laws).
ayulume@reddit
FYI, Kaizen, the owner, had apparently did horrinle stuff that i probably cant talk about here
Theres a Google Doc explaining it on Archcord though
7lhz9x6k8emmd7c8@reddit
Archcord Discord
Self-describing as "no politics" yet has a political flag as avatar.
Self-describing as "don't bring drama or disputes from other communities" yet produces charges against another community.
You can't trust that kind of totalitarian manipulator. A file is not an evidence. A crowd is not a judge.
They seem not affiliated with Arch Linux. There is no reference from the archlinux.org domain.
Luna_COLON3@reddit
you are right, archcord is not affiliated with arch linux. they make that very clear.
the "political flag" in question is a rainbow pride flag. the only people who would be offended by that are people who a lot of people wouldnt be comfortable being in a community with.
the thing about not bringing drama from other communities is a reasonable criticism, but archcord and atl shared a lot of members and staff. archcord was the best place to release the information because it would have instantly been deleted by the owner if it was posted in atl.
Ancardoth@reddit
So it's political.
DurandalJoyeuse@reddit
Another show of why keeping knowledge in a Discord group is a horrible idea.
Cowgirl_Taint@reddit
Genuine question: How would this change versus a vbulletin or a board on a social media site?
Archive dot org has a better chance of grabbing the site but message boards/social media and the wayback machine are always kind of a mess.
Like, I am not saying discord is good. But this is the fundamental issue with information on the internet. It is inherently ephemeral unless specific attempts are made to back things up. Which means reproducing information (with attribution) on blogs or even books.
SunlightScribe@reddit
You had to be tech savvy in order to spin up a forum and those type of people are more inclined to do things "the right way". They would back things up and organize posts. They had full control but it wasn't easy to manage.
Discord is so easy that the server owner could just be some 13 year old kid. They don't exactly care about fostering an online community or a knowledge base, nor does Discord let you back anything up. You have to go far out of your way in order to make that a reality.
ArcticFox3107@reddit
Was nuked by the owner so couldn't exactly be prevented by using a different service.
Ok-Mycologist-3829@reddit
I have yet to be convinced that Discord is in any way a “good” thing. Way shittier than early 2010s decentralized internet communities + RSS.
vilejor@reddit
Public discord communities are shitscapes of terminally online creeps. It is unsettling to say the least.
phylter99@reddit
In my eyes, IRC + Wikis will always be a winning combination for communities. Maybe I'm just getting old.
MathManrm@reddit
IRC is just awful to deal with, it's old and it feels old.
rainformpurple@reddit
I agree, but irc was intentional. When you connect to irc, it's for a reason.
My friend group used to hang out on irc and chat all the time, but moved to slack because of smartphones and an arguably better interface, but the chat died and now a year can easily pass between messages.
Or maybe we just hate each other and share a common room in which to ignore each other while wallowing in self loathing and silent judgement...
Point is, the engagement died once it was easy to connect, whereas before, it took a conscious effort to connect and hang out and chat, so it felt more concentrated and present.
Then again, we got older, got jobs, had kids, responsibilities, holiday plans... and not so much time left to just hang out and shoot the shit online, so time spent elsewhere had to be frictionless and easy, and in getting there, easy became a way to not do it because there is always "tomorrow".
But tomorrow's already promised to tomorrow's chores and duties, and there may not be time for today's and tomorrow's off-schedule activities, and they may be pushed onto over-morrow's schedule which too has been promised away already.
Thus the cycle continues and there is never enough time to chat and hang out and catch up with old friends, and as time passes quietly, years have come and gone, and the bar for picking up the threads becomes higher and higher so you just... don't.
And the vicious cycle of bad conscience and postponement continues until it's been so long since you spoke that you just quietly leave the slack channels by not auto-starting the app anymore, and just fade away into the night like a ghost.
D-S-S-R@reddit
I really want to get into IRC (seems like a place to hang out with weirdos like me) but I don’t know where to start
phylter99@reddit
https://libera.chat/
This site has some good information for getting started. Part of the fun is experimenting with clients, and exploring different channels. They give you lots of options. You can even script your own channel bots. One of the first save havens for the LGBTQ community were channels with bots that would kick and ban people who came to troll them.
I honestly hope IRC never dies.
atrocia6@reddit
See, this is why some of us aren't really interested in IRC. When I'm trying to learn how to troubleshoot a broken system or learn how to do something, I'm not interested in "fun," "experimenting," "exploring," playing with "options," or writing "scripts" - I just want to get the information I need as fast as I can and with a minimum of friction. Emails, forums, wikis, etc. are, for me at least, best suited for this.
phylter99@reddit
Then you don't really need to experiment. You just got to the site and use the client they provide there. It's been like that since I can remember. They make it easy for those that are like you.
atrocia6@reddit
Fair enough, but there are also a number of other things I don't like about IRC: all the insider jargon and terminology, the confusion of having multiple conversations mixed together, making it difficult to follow each one, and most of all, the fact that it's (in the general case) ephemeral - IIUC, your messages reach only whoever is there at the time, responses reach you only if you're there at the time, and the conversations vanish into the ether and don't benefit anyone else in the future.
phylter99@reddit
They're all fair criticisms. It can take some getting used to, but if it's not for you then it's not for you. There's nothing wrong with not liking it.
atrocia6@reddit
I can certaintly accept that different things work for different people.
SunlightScribe@reddit
The problem is that beginners ask "How can I do X?" and the FOSS community responds with a dozen options, overwhelming them. We as a community need to learn to hide complexity and agree on one answer. You don't give them more until they prove that they are a more advanced user.
phylter99@reddit
You'll never get a community to agree on one answer. In this case, the website I gave lists the easy answer pretty quickly then gives more options later on. That kind of thing makes sense. Hiding options seems like the opposite of what we'd need to do.
SunlightScribe@reddit
It does at least look like we are settling on Linux Mint as the distro for beginners, to give one example. So it's definitely possible to get 9 out of 10 dentists to agree and not worry about the contrarian.
phylter99@reddit
There are several options for beginners. Fedora, Ubuntu, Mint are all good ones. In that regard, I see lots of people recommending even more difficult distributions to beginners. The LTT Linux challenge shows what happens with wrong recommendations.
Yes, I'm making your point, but I've had a few minutes to think through it. I don't see it changing and I'm not sure there's a need to push too hard for change, but it is a problem.
The link I mentioned above was IRC not Linux. It's hard to keep all conversations straight some times.
mmmboppe@reddit
oh please, like those people never troll or ban each other...
saltyjohnson@reddit
The great thing about IRC is that it's simply a protocol. The most popular server implementations are open-source and most of the popular clients are too. Even if IRC "dies" it can always be resurrected, and most importantly it cannot be killed by shareholders or governments.
PizzaPunkrus@reddit
Irc is still the backbone of nearly all chat/messaging apps.
haakon@reddit
It absolutely is not. None of today's popular messaging apps are backed by IRC.
PizzaPunkrus@reddit
Facebook and Instagram use a modified irc protocol for thier messaging app.
tobiasvl@reddit
Source? I know Facebook used to use a modified XMPP, but not IRC as far as I'm aware.
PizzaPunkrus@reddit
I'm gonna leave my comment up because I had miss understood the headline I had seen. Facebook engineers use irc internally. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28749675
DoggoConyers@reddit
twitch chat uses IRC
Lonsdale1086@reddit
Right, so not a messaging app?
steakanabake@reddit
i mean it is i also know some older games use IRC as the backbone for their text chat.
MrWeirdoFace@reddit
I'm a bit out of the loop, but I used to use IRC, probably 20 years ago or more at this point, but has anyone dressed it up to make it look/feel more like discord for a new generation to discover?
saltyjohnson@reddit
TheLounge is a newer web-based client and it's what I currently use. I don't love it, but it's way more convenient than running a separate bouncer if you care about persistence.
hitsujiTMO@reddit
It's trivial to build a bot for it too. The spec is so simple that not much more than a few lines of python gets you going.
saltyjohnson@reddit
One of the first coding projects I started from scratch was to write an IRC bot in php lol
haakon@reddit
A large amount of GenX geeks got into programming in the nineties by writing IRC bots and automating their mIRC setup.
noroadsleft@reddit
One of my first coding projects was an MP3 player for mIRC. Had Loop, Shuffle, Loop + Shuffle, and Windowshade mode like WinAmp had, and the ability to share the song you were playing in your current channel (completely optional, but a common thing to do in the communities in which I was active back then).
I haven't thought about that in probably 15 years or more.
mmmboppe@reddit
weirdos use discord
PizzaPunkrus@reddit
The linux irc are probably even better resources than reddit, with twice the abuse for dumb questions. For novel or interesting questions they'll show you 4 different ways to do it.
atrocia6@reddit
But are such channels archived anywhere accessible? I've never had a search turn up an IRC discussion.
throwaway234f32423df@reddit
IRC channels can be logged with eggdrop or ZNC or other means, and sometimes people put archives up of certain channels, but for the most part, no. If nobody's logging (or if the people with logs choose not to share them) then there's no permanent record.
atrocia6@reddit
That was my point - since there's no permanent record, it's a terrible way of spreading important knowledge and information, as opposed to email, fora, etc.
PizzaPunkrus@reddit
I dont think they can be scraped or crawled.
frostysauce@reddit
https://webchat.snoonet.org/
Gabe_Isko@reddit
I prefer irc too, but I have yet to see a single active public server in 2026.
DFS_0019287@reddit
Either https://www.oftc.net/ or https://libera.chat/ are good places to start.
Journeyj012@reddit
https://libera.chat/guides/clients
cbarrick@reddit
IRC has UX issues.
I was hoping Matrix would take off as a federated protocol with UX improvements over IRC, but it hasn't seen as much adoption as I'd like.
mmmboppe@reddit
irc reveals IPs by default and this sucks
MathManrm@reddit
Matrix also has many UX issues
pphp@reddit
How do we prevent knowledge from being lost buried deep into a chat channel's history?
How about another chat channel, but one that doesn't keep chat histories at all?
phylter99@reddit
You create a bot that records the chat history.
SheriffBartholomew@reddit
Dischord is IRC. Proprietary layers over IRC.
natermer@reddit
IRC has the same problem as Discord when it comes to it being a "knowledge base".
This is why open source projects have relied on mailing lists a lot more then just pure IRC when it comes to discussions.
Web forums are very good. Especially when they do as much as possible with just pure HTML. Javascript stuff is OK for interactive UI elements, but as much as possible needs to just be HTML.
The reason is that it is searchable, indexible, easy to archive, has really good accessibility characteristics. With modern tools they are also easily converted to different languages.
Wikis are great, but they need to be maintained.
The every day niggles and problems and solutions that people run into with particular versions and bugs and work around and solutions... almost none of that ends up in Wikis.
snipeytje@reddit
one problem with forums is links not surviving the various software updates the old ones have had
anomalous_cowherd@reddit
Or most of the images and files being stored on sites that have since disappeared, gone pay-only or just been blocked for some stupid reason (yes you, Imgur).
phylter99@reddit
IRC isn't a knowledge base. It's a great way to communicate ideas. That's where wikis come in. As you mention, mailing lists are excellent too. That's one thing I left out mentioning. Mailing lists become a knowledge base when you build a website and archive that captures all the discussions. It really is an excellent example.
Historical_Course587@reddit
/u/natermer touches on why wikis aren't ideal, but IMO it's a structural issue:
Wikis are like college textbooks. You can technically learn Differential Equations simply by reading a textbook to yourself, but almost nobody does it because it would require a massive amount of effort to self-teach from such dry material.
For me, the ideal format for knowledge exchange is simply the web forum. Post a topic, and a single comment-chain conversation takes place. Any one person can sift through and summarize the conversation, resulting in a popular and linkable post for people to share on other threads, forums, or around the internet for dealing with said issue. And because it's all in one place, a person looking to educate themselves can dig in right there and leave with a better understanding of the topic if not the solution they were looking for.
Fun-Raspberry-9301@reddit
IPC and good linkers
Ok-Mycologist-3829@reddit
Ngl I would love an IRC resurgence. But when I go put my foot in the water from time to time it just feels so dead
Historical_Course587@reddit
People want ease of use. Phone apps are easy, share/like buttons are easy, algorithmic feed generation is easy. Using Google, or Siri, or ChatGPT to get a (potentially poor) answer quick is easy.
Old tech requires purposeful consumption, and that is like going to the public library to hunt a book down on vampires isntead of just searching for vampires on Netflix and playing whatever.
Ok-Mycologist-3829@reddit
I’m going to assume you’ve not used the Discord phone app before because the notifications are a Wild West of awful.
SunlightScribe@reddit
The problem is more fundamental. IRC is missing a lot of things people will take for granted like text styling, linking other messages, including images, uploading attachments, @mentions, threading etc. and you can't just ask them to write raw markdown.
Old tech, especially FOSS, expects far too much from a cohort of users that has major trouble just navigating directories. If anything tech literacy has gone down, not up and we are worse off today than ever before. People joining CS101 classes are are missing basics like this, so imagine the average user.
Historical_Course587@reddit
I'm not arguing in their favor. But maybe I should have said that people prefer the implied promise of easy. I know all too well the kinds of people who will install an app without thought, and then suffer endlessly as they don't understand why it doesn't just work the way they want it to - and that's even when it works as the developer intended.
IMO the smartphone era has created the expectation that logins can be managed by the OS, and people don't want to deal with setting up usernames and passwords manually.
Gabe_Isko@reddit
This has been my experience too.
DerekB52@reddit
I don't understand why Discord can't just add some kind of wiki support. it seems to me if they added an easily archivable way to roll your own little wiki/faq section in your server, a LOT of discord communities would instantly become way more useable.
Gugalcrom123@reddit
It still would be tethered to Discord and not indexable by search engines.
DerekB52@reddit
Not necessarily, in this hypothetical there would be nothing stopping them from adding some code to make the wiki accessible via https like any other website.
But, I don't really care if its indexable by search engines or not. With how many crawlers, bots, and AI scrapers there are on the internet, I can see an argument for avoiding it.
The issue is now, I have several times found myself looking for help with something, Documentation for a small programming library, or a video game romhack. I google for it, and I find a youtube comment with a discord invite link, that is the only way to find the community. I get to the discord community, and I'm met with a chatroom, and an unindexed chat history going back who knows how long.
Providing something to give discord communities options more powerful than putting a few paragraphs of text in a channel, and then locking the channel, to display more of the static info people are going to be coming to the servers wanting.
christophocles@reddit
This is exactly my experience with Discord. I look for the community forum for a niche topic, and I find a link to "the forum" which is a Discord link. I open it and see a chat room, actually many different chat rooms, with long chat history and I guess I am supposed to just scroll up? Lots of bots and animated emojis and shit, too. What the hell is this, it damn sure isn't a forum, people seem to not know what that is any more.
Gabe_Isko@reddit
I'm down for some non-indexable nin traina le communications these days.
ia42@reddit
Better: get a bot in there to mine the history and sum it out to a wiki (or even just a bunch of MD files like obsidian). If discord had a wiki, it would have gotten nuked along with the server...
KsiaN@reddit
Discord used IRC as its underlying protocol for the the first 5+ years. It was basically just a fancy Gamers.IRC or mIRC.
Twitch.TV still uses a modded version of IRC for its chat.
If only mastosomethings and metasomethings could finally get the stick out of their ass and accept that you need user friendly interfaces for the masses to come to you.
Because they actually took the evolutionary step of turning IRC into ( currently ) 90% decentralized communication with full encryption.
hak8or@reddit
For me it was forums where the OP was maintained by the author over time. Slickdeals has a similar mechanism to this.
Its really unfortunate how so many communities migrated over to so ephemeral means of communication like chat. It seems like stackoverflow was the last dying breath of this format.
While yes, reddit does exist, the technical communities on it have drifted away over time due to the massive api exodus years ago.
Historical_Course587@reddit
Yeah, PHP boards of the 2000s were pretty much ideal. OP maintains essentially a sticky post(s) at the top of a subject-driven thread, with a single comment chain forcing everyone into the same ongoing conversation.
Reddit has always been a pale imitation do to little design features that punish attempts at knowledge permanence. Pushing new content up, old content down, locking comments after a certain point, driving popular subs into the mainstream where casual users invade and drive "popular" commentary up and unpopular commentary down.
Reddit is a focus group, good for testing. It's not good for building.
Jaysus1020@reddit
I'm so glad someone said this out loud, all the newer community tools are easier to use but have worse outcomes long term
fearless-fossa@reddit
Discord is great for small groups like guilds from online games (with the exception of EVE Online, where the average corp had better IT infra than most businesses) as it bundles chat, basic resources and voice into one app. This was a vast improvement over the situation before where you had a random TS server, BBS forum and if you're lucky IRC, but generally no actual chat application.
The problem is the people who are misusing it for things it was never intended to do.
Ok-Mycologist-3829@reddit
Discord is for gamers. Everything else is an absurd use of the platform.
maxximillian@reddit
What about groups of people who just want to share shit with casual friends. It's great for that too. Also it's good for a group of people watching movi s together. I am able to stay in contact with a good group of college friends from 20 years ago
magical-attic@reddit
Discord is for building communities, which is something gamers often do.
HearMeOut-13@reddit
nah for chatting its great, but like holy fuck bro, why would you EVER store important knowledge bases on discord
rebbsitor@reddit
Discord's popularity is mainly due to being a no-cost replacement for Teamspeak, and being dead simple for gamers to use.
Essentially it was meant to be IRC + voice chat.
Over the years, like every other platform, it's tried to be everything. Video streaming, Wiki's, even forum replacements. Just like Reddit added image hosting and chat. Discord's not really the best place to do those things, but for some reason communities use it over other tools that would be better.
beryugyo619@reddit
Yeah but Discord chatrooms are called "servers" and it has cloud searchable logs, that makes them decentralized and selfhosted /s
lurkervidyaenjoyer@reddit
It's simply put a better messaging/chatroom service than all the alternatives, or at least was at the time it got big. IRC is ancient, can't do media really as far as I know, and is just the text chat. XMPP I think is more of an IM thing, I don't really hear about it in terms of communities. Mumble has an extremely dated UI and basically just does VOIP and nothing else.
Discord bundles modern chatroom messaging with groups and channels within those nicely organized, voice chatting, and video calling with screen share support. People use it because you don't need to daisy-chain together a setup with a text chat protocol and then Jitsi or something connected to it jankily. Works for gaming communities especially since you can have the voice call, plus chats to share memes with your friends or whatever. It's also a platform, so you make one login and then can join any server with it and don't have to make multiple logins for different websites.
The problem is that people have started using it for the things it's not good for: forums, wikis, any sort of long-term information storage, etc. Since Discord isn't search-exposed, any info on a server can't be crawled, and thus can't be effectively archived in the way that an old-school forum would. And because it's a centralized chat service run by a VC-backed tech company, it's at their mercy as to whether it remains available or gets wiped.
Also branching off of that, it being a centralized tech firm's closed-source platform also means they totally have an incentive to spy on you or sell your data, and because they're as big as they are, they're under scrutiny by governments like the U.K. for needing to do that age verification nonsense. Hopefully libre alternatives improve enough to compete with Discord's feature set so that users who get burned by this have a good option to move to. I hear Stoat and Matrix/Element are the most talked about here.
Fallom_@reddit
I was incredibly annoyed trying to report issues with Bazzite’s testing branch and just being ignored because it’s impossible to say anything in Discord without intruding on online friends talking to each other about whatever.
Ok-Mycologist-3829@reddit
That. It always feels like I’m in someone else’s house. Not a real communal area.
dnu-pdjdjdidndjs@reddit
Cant imagine what its like for you guys when you have to actually talk in somebody else's house
NotQuiteLoona@reddit
Shouldn't they have separate channels for that? Issues would probably be a forum (a type of channels with posts, where each post is a separate thread).
Mal_Dun@reddit
To un-convince you even further: Error handling got reportedly shittier since a lot of error reporting went behind Discord community chats and can't be found by Google anymore, hence making it harder to find bug reports and quick fixes.
dsffff22@reddit
Discord is in many ways a good thing, but the non-open nature is a big problem. It just works compared to the alternatives and is a low entry barrier for many users to find active Linux communities. Being able to have a 'server' with channels, post and turning messages into threads is usually what you want, and then they also have good tooling integration. Also Voice/Screen Sharing calls are just a single click away, the plenty of times I've tried Matrix via Elements It usually refused to work or resulted into bad quality.
sCeege@reddit
It’s an easy way to get into a community without an additional sign up. The onboarding experience is less friction than signing up to a new forum, you can get help immediately-ish. Also that it’s free-ish. The ads aren’t so in your face about it.
Discord is like wikia/fandom before the monetization pressure caught up to it, with the added weakness of being ephemeral; but until someone finds a way to do IRC/Forums with a centralized login (that isn’t then completely bogged down with monetization) there’s just no way to post a “join us in xxx” button on some niche project that’s as easy as Discord.
sje46@reddit
It's the same deal with reddit too. The reason so many traditional webforums died out is because it's far easier to just create a subreddit, and most heavily-online people have a reddit account anyway.
It really sucks honestly.
For what it's worth, you don't need an account with IRC. You can very easily just put an IRC plugin on a website and someone really can click a button and join, and they can register their name at their own convenience to have the perks of a registered name.
The bigger problem with IRC is that it is designed to be very minimal. CLI/TUI clients have to work with it, so you can't have things like emojis, embeds, streaming, scrollback, etc. And it doesn't work with mobile so well. DIscord can easily reconnect, but IRC can't.
My solution to IRC is to actually have an externally hosted SSH server. I connect to it, then attach to a gnu screen session (using screen so it won't conflict with tmux on my local box)
lidstah@reddit
You can double-type your prefix when using nested tmux sessions (i.e
Ctrl-B Ctrl-Bto interact with the nested session). Other possibility: use another prefix for your laptop/desktop sessions than the default prefix (which you'll use for your nested sessions). Here I useCtrl-A(like it was with gnu screen).sje46@reddit
Yeah I know of those solutions. I won't use another prefix because I use tmux on like 80 machines for work. I dint want to mess up my muscle memory. And doing ctrl b twice is a huge pain. Screen + tmux works out great for me
LvS@reddit
To me that's the biggest reason I use IRC. IRC to me is a way to chat with people who are available to talk. If I wanted to send messages that are replied to maybe later, I can send an email or use Signal or whatever.
That's also why I think IRC is not a great Discord replacement, because it's primarily a messaging tool, not a chat tool. Use Matrix or Signal if you want that.
wildcarde815@reddit
The reddit format is also just better than older BB software layouts. One string of commentary can happen separate from others instead of being interleaved making things easier to follow and still indexed usually.
Gugalcrom123@reddit
What about Matrix? Its account system is centralised. As for forums, you can use a mailing list; a more modern mailing list interface which would be useable as a web forum is something which interests me.
Ok-Mycologist-3829@reddit
Maybe if it’s not gatekept, otherwise you’re SOL.
Mccobsta@reddit
It's good for chat that isn't important that's about it
It should never be used to host a entire community for the obvious reasons
emprahsFury@reddit
> I have yet to be convinced that Discord is in any way a “good” thing
Then you're just wrong if you can't find a single redeeming value.
Aktanith@reddit
Yet you haven't mentioned any redeeming values yourself.
OCPetrus@reddit
You can post silly gifs
Ok-Mycologist-3829@reddit
Literally every thing people say to use it for, except maybe video game uses that I never use, is inferior to other models. The UI is horrible, the app notification system (on iOS at least) makes me want to claw my eyes out. It is insular and worse than a group chat. Discovering communities is not great. Some of them are so huge and you have to be approved to get in, but don’t have admins doing it, so you have broad communities that are gatekept when they shouldn’t be. The platform gets more predatory each year with new updates that are always opt-out.
Discord has sucked the oxygen out of the best of community aspects of the open internet when it is supposed to be for gamers. And don’t get me started on the fake “server” language.
wildcarde815@reddit
It's a chat system, it works incredibly well as a chat system. It is truly awful as a knowledge base. Phpbb's only let yo on it tho is that they were usually public and indexed. Otherwise that was so so much worse.
P1ka-@reddit
for the kinda usecase people used stuff like teamspeak, skype or like the console's party features discord works fine (chatting with friends, voice chat, video chat/screensharing)
But yeah, god it sucks as a forum, wiki or support space
Infinity-of-Thoughts@reddit
I mean .. Discord is a little more than just a "community". It's great for VC and as a way to connect with friends when gaming. Which was obviously the original intent.
But I mean.. Matrix exists, and that sounds like what you want, so...?
frymaster@reddit
in general you are correct, but in this case:
... if they had been using something non-discord, it sounds like that would have been nuked as well
Mughi1138@reddit
Yes...
But the non-Discord things are much easier to maintain and back up in a distributed manner. Specific user login info, etc., might be lost, but the general information can be preserved.
mmmboppe@reddit
Reddit isn't any better since it was huffmanized
Serious_Berry_3977@reddit
Definitely. The problem is that I'm not so sure there's anything like Discord that is decentralized enough and has the same functionality (someone please correct me if I'm wrong). Discord has it's uses but the company sucks and I refuse to use them anymore.
NepuNeptuneNep@reddit
What you’re describing is Matrix
Serious_Berry_3977@reddit
True, I keep forgetting about Matrix. Part of the problem is there isn't an app called Matrix. It's a service and the official app is Element / Element X. The other problem is despite Matrix being decentralized, it's still owned by a company that could very easily enshitify it if they wanted to (just look at what Google is doing with Android and while ASOP is open the Google version is becoming more closed).
LvS@reddit
Matrix technically isn't centralized, there's various Open Source projects (Fedora, Gnome, Mozilla) who host their own servers.
But it's practically centralized because there's only one big client implementation and one big server implementation.
PerkyPangolin@reddit
There are multiple clients. I use Fractal on desktop.
LvS@reddit
That's why I said "one big one" - I don't think Fractal has a very big market share of the Matrix userbase.
Gugalcrom123@reddit
How could they enshittify it exactly, when you can use another provider and another client?
ArdiMaster@reddit
Just look at how Google is treating web standards: they propose a new extension, implement it into Chrome, then use it in their websites long before its standardized. Users of other browsers get a degraded experience.
Similarly, most third-party Matrix clients/servers can’t keep up with the breakneck pace at which new Matrix extensions are proposed and implemented into Element and Synapse.
Gabe_Isko@reddit
I've been messing with matrix, and although I like it, and the problems you bring up aren't exactly the criticisms I have with it, it still has some issues.
I would say it is a bit more of a self hostable signal or telegram than a replacement for Discord/IRC, but I am keeping an eye on it.
Helmic@reddit
For those that really, really want a Discord-like experience, Commet or Fluffychat are the ways to go. Commet looks like it'll one day be the GOAT but it's still immature and lacks the ability to connect to encrypted voice chats (it can do unencrypted fine) and it sometimes doesn't display messages that occurred while the client was offline. Fluffychat is much more mature and has an iOS client (best iOS client, significant to let your friends that use iOS know so they'll at least try it because Element is fucking unacceptable), but requires you to change a couple settings to get it to a more Discord-esque UX and it can't connect to voice chat at all.
martyn_hare@reddit
Worth noting that it's considered good enough for Fedora, though IMHO IRC is still way more fun.
Titdirt69420@reddit
Especially trying to figure out how to register and all of that dumb shit.
bobthebobbest@reddit
What? What important functionality does it have that a fucking 2010s message board didn’t?
lurkervidyaenjoyer@reddit
>VOIP
>Video calls
>Media embeds
>DMs
>Emojis, both the standard set and custom for each group
>Easy organization of rooms and voice channels
>Strong, built-in moderation tools
>A UI from this decade
etc. I'm not a fan of Discord either due to its shady practices, but there's a reason why people who use it often bounce off other options when they try to switch. Part of that is the network effect (friends are on Discord so you'd have to convince them all to switch), but also people started using it in the first place because it really was a cut above everything else out there at the time, unfortunately.
bobthebobbest@reddit
OK
I remember old school forums doing these fine.
🤷♂️
LandCruiser1000@reddit
I'm liking Fluxer. It will be federated soon.
Serious_Berry_3977@reddit
Ok this looks extremely interesting, especially when it becomes federated.
inari_otaku@reddit
Lemmy is decentralized.
anthonysny@reddit
It’s called a website dude..
SheriffBartholomew@reddit
Keeping knowledge anywhere that you don't have full control over is always a bad idea. That includes Reddit, Facebook, stack overflow, anywhere. Anything that's not yours will eventually disappear.
jaakhaamer@reddit
I shudder to think that this might one day happen to Reddit. Because it is such a fantastic place to keep knowledge, until it's not...
newsflashjackass@reddit
"Discord is a black hole for information"
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30311982
barriolinux@reddit
also, quality educational content should be somewhere else than youtube. maybe wikipedia.
domesticatedprimate@reddit
I've never understood the appeal of Discord. The only reason it still exists is because the gamers who grew up on it to become tech bros are used to it and default to it out of habit.
I find the interface to be impossible.
vanstinator@reddit
Other solutions are just as easy to delete for someone with the right permissions, but at least it's easier to archive
NOT_EVEN_THAT_GUY@reddit
discord is proprietary jabroniism
Middlewarian@reddit
This is why companies are reluctant to support Linux.
minus_minus@reddit
Upvoted just for “jabroniism”
🤣🤣🤣
themuthafuckinruckus@reddit
Screaming into the void, friend. But I’ll still gladly join you.
SunlightScribe@reddit
Good luck getting the bulk of your community to use anything else. Any community/company/project choosing Discord at this point is doing so because they have no other reasonable choice.
Tyranny of the majority situation.
SleepyD7@reddit
I can’t stand discords.
linux_rox@reddit
We just need to get irc big again that would solve a lot of issues right there, plus the system draw is a lot lighter.
NoPriorThreat@reddit
How would irc solve problem of not being indexed by web search engines?
linux_rox@reddit
Why do live chats need to be indexed by search engines. The content changes 5 times faster than search engines can check
NoPriorThreat@reddit
they dont, unless they are used as a carrier of the community knowledge. Which is exactly what the problem is with discord.
linux_rox@reddit
Chats like that are not designed for that purpose. They never have been. They are for real-time answers, they aren’t intended to be searched go the reason I gave previously. Not only that, what works for one person may not be the same fix for everyone.
NoPriorThreat@reddit
Nevertheless, they are used for that purpose now.
Cry_Wolff@reddit
If you truly believe it should and can happen...
linux_rox@reddit
Not delusional, a simple requirement of social interaction is what this country is lacking, we need social communication as humans. IRC is the best way to get unfiltered information. Sure there are bots on irc, but there are bots on discord too. And with IRC you can truly stay anonymous as they don’t require private personal info on joining. All you need id an app like hexchat the multitude of others available. The only thing you need to sign up is email address and password, and that info is stored on your computer.
Mikicrep@reddit
my /tty/0 role :<
OVRTNE_Music@reddit
Mostly due to what i know its "NSFW things" that happened there, this is the PSA givven in the Archcord server:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HOxNV_BNDCn3KzUrf_GuYrLXcXLTcTsn_d-8mU-TML0/edit?pli=1&tab=t.0
please note:
Im not involved or responible for things mentinoned. Im not the owner of this document, please refer to the original message in Archcord.
7lhz9x6k8emmd7c8@reddit
Disclaimer on Archcord Discord (i know you're not involved, it's for the readers):
Self-describing as "no politics" yet has a political flag as avatar.
Self-describing as "don't bring drama or disputes from other communities" yet produces charges against another community.
You can't trust that kind of totalitarian manipulator. A file is not an evidence. A crowd is not a judge.
They seem not affiliated with Arch Linux. There is no reference from the archlinux.org domain.
Syntex_015@reddit
Yeah Archcord is just another red flag.
ThisJudge1953@reddit
Yes shocking the owner put an announcement up 11 million messages lost.
I had found a good home ignited my passion for Linux and got me through some mental health battles with the random comedy and banter.
A do hope something new comes from this maybe not ATL but another great community.
ArcticFox3107@reddit
Where?
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IAMA_Giraffe_AMA@reddit
Sounds like it shoulda been a web forum so it could at least be archived!
minus_minus@reddit
Discourse > Discord
7lhz9x6k8emmd7c8@reddit
Discourse has horrible UI tho. phpBB does much better.
da_peda@reddit
Discourse has a mailing list mode. phpBB does not.
Kok_Nikol@reddit
I agree
minus_minus@reddit
Either is better than discord just for being accessible to search engines and browsing without signing up. The discord walled garden is annoying af.
0riginal-Syn@reddit
What is sad is there is a bridge for that where you could have maintained both and Discourse would have continued on even though the Discord side was dumped.
vim_deezel@reddit
yep and if you love a discord or telegram server it's not hard to vibe code a backup bot
vilejor@reddit
Apparently an admin was a creep.
ThisJudge1953@reddit
Couldn't control their emotions
ChickenWingBaron@reddit
That's pretty much a prerequisite for being a discord admin/mod.
Gabe_Isko@reddit
It's a good point, I'm surprised there hasn't been discord scandals considering how many children use the platform, but they were trying to push age verification.
lurkervidyaenjoyer@reddit
Just look at the channel No Text To Speech and you'll find all kinds of Discord creeps and weirdos on display.
PizzaPunkrus@reddit
There is, they're currently cooperating with the us government over it. I haven't seen it confirmed anywhere but all the evidence points to it.
Gabe_Isko@reddit
Well, yeah. Obviously they don't want this stuff on their platform, but I'm sure it still happens. They can't catch everything.
foulandamiss@reddit
Hey!
General_Alfalfa6339@reddit
It really is. I’ve got things I’d like to use but when I see it’s on Discord I nope the fuck out.
bankroll5441@reddit
I'm not defending him, but the people that posted the screenshots of him talking to the underage girl cropped out a lot of the messages where he told her they have to stop talking once he found out she was 16
Longjumping-Jacket97@reddit
Skylius23@reddit
LMAO. This same person put me in a video call and called me useless when I had a real tech job because I wasn't moderating their server enough even though they basically just gave me admin cuz they thought I was young (I was older than them*) I just laughed through the whole thing because it was such petty drama. Not surprised they were a pedo
yellowsnowbear@reddit
Were they a woman or a "woman"
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bankroll5441@reddit
welp, thank you for clarifying
JoySunderland@reddit
You should provide evidence when talking about sensitive things like this online. Especially when you start with "I’m not defending him" and then start defending the person with evidence you’re not showinf.
tyty657@reddit
That's not defending someone. Stating a piece of (supposedly) factual evidence that makes something seem less bad isn't the same as defending it. It's just adding important context.
It only would have become defending if there had been something like: "in light of that I think it looks a lot better". That would have been a defense.
sje46@reddit
it's always morally permissible to defend people accused of doing wrong things. This is why we have defense lawyers. It's to ensure that the allegations against them are in good faith and that bullshit things aren't added to it. This is a common principle in justice systems and I see no reason why we can't adapt it outside of a legal framework as well. I've been accused of things (not as serious as this ofc) and it's pretty bullshit how peopel just take out context or add extra things on
mentioning that they saw some contrary evidence is not the same as defending them. Perhaps they don't have the documents on hand and it's not their responsibility to save all the evidence on behalf of the guy. But they figured that it's worth it to mention that they saw some discussion about messages being cropped out, because doesn't look like anyone else in this thread is mentioning. If it's bullshit, it's bullshit, but perhaps if it's not, someone else who has this evidence can chime in. I know nothing about it. I'm just defending the guy who isn't defending the guy who may or may not have sent sexualized messages to a minor lol.
I'm pretty sure that it's happened multiple times that people have cropped messages in a way similar to this. It sucks
of course if this story is true, it's still fundamentally quite stupid to not make sure someone is over 18 before being sexual with them. If the girl did she she was over 18 initially, then she's a dumb asshole teenager who is not a victim anymore than a 15 year old boy who lies to pornhub when that pop up comes up asking if he's 18. It'd be someone deliberately trying to ruin someone's day for no reason.
JoySunderland@reddit
I get what you're saying, but in this situation the evidence that user brought up is directly linked to the accusation. I'd understand if it was just some little thing, but this evidence can show he's innocent right away. That's why I commented the way I did. I also know nothing about the guy being accused. It just felt wrong to read “not defending him, but he didn't do what he was accused of because of evidence I'm not sharing.”.
Also, usually when there’s only one person making a claim. It’s when I get cautious about what they’re saying.
bankroll5441@reddit
How is this any different than calling someone a creep without any evidence?
JoySunderland@reddit
It's the same thing. I never said otherwise. In this situation, many were referencing him being a creep because of Discord discussions. You talked about the screenshot that shows he was being a creep. But the only issue I had was the fact that you're the only person stating you've seen proof that could absolve his wrongdoing, but you weren't showing it.
bankroll5441@reddit
There was also only one person stating that she was apparently a creep, again with no evidence. I did not save the Discord post as I really don't care that much. I said something because of what I read, just as the original commenter did. You can cherry pick all you want.
JoySunderland@reddit
There was other commenters stating mods drama and stuff (not this thread). I’m not personally attacking your nor was I trying to be mean. I just seen more people talk about the drama and agree (including you) than people going against the popular opinion. Sorry if I offended u in any way.
bankroll5441@reddit
Thank you, this was very well written.
I was in the server but very much inactive (I think I sent one message total while being in the server for \~6 months). The only reason I know anything about this is because they pinged everyone when a former staff member who they had a falling out with nuked the server. They restored as much as they could from backups, then the former staff member released supposedly cropped screenshots of his messages with a minor. He responded in the server with what looked to be the same conversation with the same minor but more messages where he seemingly found out she was a minor for the first time. He thought she was over 18 due to her apparently frequently talking about drinking and clubbing. I didn't save the pictures as I quite frankly didn't care about the server and had no clue who this person was
Again, I do not agree with his actions, but exactly as you said I thought it was worth mentioning as it is relevant to the conversation. Sad part is that we will likely never know what the truth is.
JoySunderland@reddit
Totally understandable. I’m just cautious of claims that can absolve someone of wrongdoing when there’s no evidence to support it. But I totally understand not saving it, cuz I wouldn’t care that much either lol. I didn’t even know anything about the discord till this post, and I don’t even use discord (self-hosted mumble server user btw).
bankroll5441@reddit
Providing context does not mean I agree with his actions. The "evidence" was deleted along with the Discord server.
NightOfTheLivingHam@reddit
Uncle touchy's linux emporium?
sje46@reddit
So the entire server gets nuked? Why can't they just delete the pervert's account and then hand the server to one of the mods. I feel like that's what reddit would do, no?
vilejor@reddit
It was an admin or the owner or something.
doomiestdoomeddoomer@reddit
Discord admin... creep... why am I not surprised.
ThisJudge1953@reddit
Yes shocking the owner put an announcement up 11 million messages lost.
I had found a good home ignited my passion for Linux and got me through some mental health battles with the random comedy and banter.
A do hope something new comes from this maybe not ATL but another great community.
NullVoidXNilMission@reddit
Discord lol. Try IRC
FryBoyter@reddit
Whether IRC is still suitable for today's world is open to debate. For one thing, you need a bouncer like ZNC for many networks or channels to catch up on all your messages while you're offline. To be honest, I really don't want to have to do that anymore these days. And I say that as someone who used to use IRC a lot.
edparadox@reddit
And this is why you do not use Discord for anything meaningful. (Or at all).
NoPriorThreat@reddit
BB forum can be nuked as well by the owner or web provider.
ironhaven@reddit
"off-chat infrastructure" did they have a website?
linuxhiker@reddit
Yes and it's down
ScotchyRocks@reddit
Perhaps another example of "replications are not backups."?
Vova_xX@reddit
what does that mean? I thought backups were just replica's (i guess thank god I don't work in IT"
PiercingSight@reddit
I think the difference is that a replica always copies any changes made to the original as they are made.
It's like having a second version of a server that just mirrors the contents of the first.
If the first corrupts, then the second server would also copy that corruption.
A backup however is an unchanging snapshot of a state, so it would only have whatever corruption was present during the creation of the snapshot, if any.
ScotchyRocks@reddit
Repicas are just that. Replication of the data... Whatever that data may be; Good, corrupted, encrypted/ransomewared, deleted bits, etc.
A backup is a point in time copy, that won't change when the production data changes.
Replicas are for when the hardware fails (faster recovery than using backups.) Backups are for when the data itself has problems or goes bad. Backups can save you in the event of hardware failure too, but are generally slower to recovery.
linuxhiker@reddit
Replication is definitely not a backup.
:D
ScotchyRocks@reddit
That was my point. There are plenty of examples of why the difference is important.
I think this is one of the cases that they relied on replications only... Deletes of files get replicated REALLY fast. Linus tech tips had a similar mistake a few years ago too. https://www.avsim.com/AVSIM%20Pages/the_avsim_hack.html/
Worldly_Moose_724@reddit
they had a website, distro agnostic wiki, iso archive for discontinued OSs and distro repo mirrors
it wasn't just a server it was a whole non-profit linux group, and it's all gone.
shanehiltonward@reddit
Use "X".
atoponce@reddit
The same X that is literally killing communities?
https://www.engadget.com/social-media/x-is-shutting-down-its-communities-feature-182843958.html
3141592652@reddit
Yes because xchat is replacing it.
atoponce@reddit
Shuttering a current feature that can handle hundreds of thousands of users with a feature that can handle at most 1,000 users.
Okay.
shanehiltonward@reddit
How's your new Debian chick doing? Gayer yet?
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3141592652@reddit
Look if you even read the actual article you posted you'd understand why it makes sense
shanehiltonward@reddit
Bots overrode communities. Openclaw was making oney and not real content creators. You should read better sources than Engadget. https://gizmodo.com/my-take-on-engadgets-4-billion-dollar-iphone-mistake-261101
3141592652@reddit
I don't understand the hate for it.
particlemanwavegirl@reddit
Musk is a white supremacist and techno-fascist who manipulates content on the site to serve that agenda.
3141592652@reddit
I need some proof of that.
0riginal-Syn@reddit
That may be the one place worse than Discord, even before you get to the shitty nature of it. Horrible communication forum and far too limited. It absolutely sucks.
shanehiltonward@reddit
Reddit is the worst, most anti-American site around. Truly hate-filled and a seething pit of future terrorists.
0riginal-Syn@reddit
Yet here you are.
No doubt Reddit is got a lot of scum and hate, like most social media sites, but X is nothing but hate filled trash and has been for a long time and could say the same thing about the terrorist side as well. Cannot believe anyone would defend that cesspool it is every bit the trash that you say Reddit is.
shanehiltonward@reddit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26Zhlo4ZsgI
LukePJ25@reddit
People still use that platform? I thought it was just parasocial Elon-fan "intellectuals" and shitcoiners?
TrivialRamblings@reddit
Yes, people as well as governments & their representatives around the world. Anyone not willing to subject themselves to sunshine-&-rainbows-sky
iamdestroyerofworlds@reddit
Just use Stormfront's technical forum, bro.
WizeAdz@reddit
No!
HolzLaim15@reddit
What
Waterrat@reddit
They should join up with Linuxinternationals.org. They could use some members.
CrimsonCuttle@reddit
Where to now for live-chat tech help?
djao@reddit
Back in my day, we used IRC ....
CrimsonCuttle@reddit
Back before that they used pigeons
Skylius23@reddit
Hey I was a mod here once, the owner was diluted and insane. As long with a lot of the mods, they also make literal children moderators then throw them through emotional drama that a growing mind doesn't need to... Well.. develop.
plavpixel@reddit
the owner was caught grooming 3 minors and deleted as cover up
Opposite34@reddit
Was a helper in there. I'm not sure about the mods/admin controversy so I can't comment on that, but pretty much a day before this an account with lots of perms got hacked and nuked everything so they had to rollback the server.
There's a likelihood someone that hacked the server still got hold of it in some way and either they're the one nuking it or someone else with infra access nuke everything.
There's quite a bit of a community with some useful knowledge here and tbh, so it is unfortunate that it happens.
Luna_COLON3@reddit
the person who nuked the server released a document showing some really bad things the owner did. the owner then deleted the server and all infrastructure except for the iso archive and disappeared.
AmarildoJr@reddit
Keeping anything in digital form is stupid if you really want to preserve it, unless it's a personal archive that you take care of in HD or SSD form. But even then it's not a good way to preserve knowledge compared to paper.
LouVillain@reddit
paper? puh-leaze everyone knows if you want true data retention, clay tablets are where it's at. Paper! Ha! whoami Michael Scott? lol
AMGraduate564@reddit
2 years ago, the Debian discord server was nuked by the mod just because he didn't feel like it anymore. The newly created server afterwards, couldn't reach the same participant numbers yet.
7lhz9x6k8emmd7c8@reddit
Do we have an article about this?
Two-Of-Nine@reddit (OP)
and now the person making this thread owns the current debian server and is a head mod for r/debian :)
MrKusakabe@reddit
For many reasons I don't have a smartphone and Discord wanting a mobile number (not my landline which is obviously "more worth" because it's physical linked to a building and not just a burner number) is already a barrier. Even if I had a tiny tablet computer with built-in telephone features ("smartphone") then I would not want to data strip myself for registering there.
Cry_Wolff@reddit
Are 80 years old?
ingenarel-NeoJesus@reddit
tryna strike a chord and it's probably a minoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Userwerd@reddit
Imagine if Github starts pruning.
Wyciorek@reddit
It will be a good lesson about trusting MS
ninth_ant@reddit
We learned this lesson about Microsoft in the 90s yet here we are today.
I’m dubious people any of these lessons will be remembered. How many times do we have to relearn that Google cancels projects you rely on, or that EA and Ubisoft will have terrible monetization, or that anything Meta touches is cancer?
shroddy@reddit
People always like a good redemption arc.
ninth_ant@reddit
Charlie Brown forever hopes that this time Lucy won’t pull the football.
People can deserve second chances but c'mon fuck Microsoft in particular.
Userwerd@reddit
It will happen.
With the way things are going opensource is going to be labeled something crazy like techno terrorism. Opensource, the trading of ideas without transaction, therefore there is no record or oversite......that sounds dangerous.....
Wyciorek@reddit
I think we are well past “linux is cancer, OS is communism” fud wars. Pretty much all tech (and not) are dependent on open source, so it is not going away. However I can imagine a push to restrict consumer-facing apps to walled gardens only using mandatory application signing and age verification laws (we can‘t allow users to modify software or they will disable age verification!). Then Open Source would be used to lower corporate cost via unpaid labour while consumer would be back where they belong - paying for everything
Swizzel-Stixx@reddit
In that event what use is there contributing to open source? The best part of open source is that you can share your stuff to the world. If the world is just corporate leeches then why would anyone want to maintain anything?
Wyciorek@reddit
Because when you are applying for a job, they will be asking you for your 'github portfolio'. Kind of like preemptive unpaid internship
SunlightScribe@reddit
I'm not really concerned about this. Porting your project to another platform is trivial and all developers have a full clone on their machine by design.
It sucks that they will lose issues and such, but that isn't a major problem and would only happen if they were abruptly banned.
iamapizza@reddit
Somehow I trust discord even less. At least with github archiving and mirroring is possible
szank@reddit
People still have the local repos. Its not comparable at all. The whole point of git is to avoid a single source of truth
hleszek@reddit
The advantage of git is that people have the full commit history on their pcs, but sure, you'll lose issues, PRs and discussions if there was no backup.
Majestic_Fox_5064@reddit
Every discord community ends up as as a child exploration forum ran by transsexuals.
leidentech@reddit
Live by the platform, die by the platform
AreShoesFeet000@reddit
it’s all mostly platforms now.
varsnef@reddit
Like tears in the rain.
TwiKing@reddit
I was in that server but never talked. Their bot was hacked and the admin was doxed (he mentioned some documents will be released). Old bad blood I guess. Gentoo server died too and converted into an anime thing.
Discord is shit. I miss the forum era.
JustNerfRaze@reddit
So sad that the atl.wiki never took off. There was essentially no activity whatsoever.
Careless_Cod3001@reddit
holy karma the owner had depression and i tried to help her but they banned me instead
splayer_28410@reddit
Here is an unbiased and complete document covering everything that happened with context:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1W2Pz8ERFj3A7yqMDlX69WpVbwqWZAY4ahz_l1-Nysv4/edit?usp=drivesdk
Careless_Cod3001@reddit
karma the owner had depression and i tried to help the owner but they banned me instead
Tankbot85@reddit
Discord sucks. Only reason i use it is because of WoW. outside of that, never touch it.
Longjumping-Jacket97@reddit
the owner was also accused of being a pedofile (with evidence) so it was probably for the better
yrro@reddit
and that is why a Discord community should not be treated as anything other than ephemeral
MairusuPawa@reddit
Just the usual Discord things
LeBlindGuy@reddit
NOOOOOOO
I was in contact with a blind Linux user (if i remember correctly their name was Aaronl
Anyways, I'm visually impaired but interested in Linux (no I didn't get the courage to change yet)
szaszm@reddit
KDE Plasma has good zoom, in part developed by a blind (visually impaired, not 0 vision) person. I don't know how well screen readers work.
Glad-Weight1754@reddit
Internet can't be trusted. Better have hard copies of everything.
LinuxMaster9@reddit
Kyocera is my preferred method of producing hard copies
fankin@reddit
It would be so coll if a solution would exist to keep written educational materials away from discord. Like...I don't know....oh wait, wikis exists FFS.
LinuxMaster9@reddit
Guilded was a good choice until rofucks bought it and nuked it. We need a guilded clone.
The_only_true_tomato@reddit
Discord suck stop storing stuff there. Also any reasons?
philemon-phonon@reddit
Good old decentralized Usenet News still up !
Reigar@reddit
So do we know who or why the channel was killed, also does discord have backups?
InternationalClub892@reddit
I was just realising it now searching for the ATL Server
pfp-disciple@reddit
I wish Usenet was cool again.
tjorben123@reddit
i´d love the "we host it but did not care what you do" mentality of the early years usenet.
CPLWPM85@reddit
This is why I hate things being on Discord. It could all disappear without notice and there's nothing to be done about it.
94358io4897453867345@reddit
Stop using Discord. It's simple
Outrageous-Point-498@reddit
Discord is a breeding ground for pedos. Good riddance.
Giffeltagning@reddit
Good. I hate Discord.
MatchingTurret@reddit
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