Do you guys get tired of everyone who won’t commit to R/L claiming libertarianism?
Posted by forcedfan@reddit | Libertarian | View on Reddit | 35 comments
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Cannoli72@reddit
everyone believes they are the party of freedom. but only Ancaps are
TheKorndawg720@reddit
How do ancaps solve for corporate takeovers? Genuinely curious
Immediate_Habit_2398@reddit
They keep a cup of water close by in case their tongue dries out.
Cannoli72@reddit
corporate takeovers aren’t a coercive problem because, without state-backed privileges, firms can only grow or acquire others through voluntary exchange, with competition, contracts, and reputation acting as checks on abuse.
Immediate_Habit_2398@reddit
They'll form cartels like they do now.
Who will enforce the contracts?
Nothing voluntary about being a feudal peasant.
You think your overlords will care about this?
I'm not even anti-ancap. That's the beauty of libertarianism. Both left, right and minarchist solutions can be used per problem.
Cannoli72@reddit
Nonsense, plus we already tried minarchism and it didn’t work. Actually the constitution is even smaller than a minarchist state
Yellow_Boi9@reddit
Politics aren't as 1-dimensional as many people try to pretend they are with the whole left-right idea. I have many views that some would say are left-leaning, but other people will look at those exact same views and say they are right-leaning. Being a libertarian simply means you agree with a majority of the views that other libertarians have. That being minimal government power, minimal taxes, isolationism in global politics, intense personal freedoms, etc. Libertarianism isn't just a midway between the two because political ideology aren't a line, but three-dimensional. A libertarian would agree with democrats on reproductive righs and republicans on gun rights. That's not possible to place on a line.
TheKorndawg720@reddit
Reproductive rights are still iffy for me. I have a hard time with the premise of planned parenthood to begin with. I also think that the fetus is still a person and with the exceptions of incest, rape, medical emergencies, etc they should probably have the ability to be brought into this world.
I’m more pro-life than pro choice as these people made the decision to take on the risks associated with sex it becomes their responsibility as the individual to at the very least bring the child to term. That being said I think this debate would be better if we actually took away reasons for 99% of abortions. But you solve this by building up the middle class, reforming the adoption process, and overall making families a core structure of society.
Yellow_Boi9@reddit
I mean, I won't start an argument, but I only used that as an example as it ties into a tenant of libertarianism being extreme personal freedom. I am personally in favor of abortion rights for my state and so are my registered libertarian friends for the sole reason that we feel the government shouldn't have a say in personal medical decisions though we also think it's for the best if it's up to individual states. I know not every libertarian would agree, (shocker, everyone is an individual and not a hivemind) which is why saying "may" instead of "would" may have admittedly been better wording.
TheKorndawg720@reddit
I get that for sure, just huge interpretations on what personal freedom gives you the right to do to others. Always though is different within even the libertarian space.
workmymagic@reddit
Just wondering: If a woman is currently taking antidepressants, or other medications for her health that she would need to come off of for the duration of her pregnancy: would you consider that a medical emergency or risk to the mother’s life?
UrLocalCalvinist@reddit
I have always viewed abortion as this great contradiction within much of Libertarianism regarding both the NAP and government subsidization. Government funded infringement of the rights of the unborn doesn’t seem very libertarian in my opinion
DemotivationalSpeak@reddit
I think libertarianism is a broadly right-wing idea given its focus on individual agency and property rights. If I’m being honest I’d call myself a conservative with very strong libertarian tendencies. I identify more with the libertarian party platform than the Republican Party platform right now. All that being said I think left-wingers can have libertarian tendencies too, but what people tend to call the “libertarian left” tends to resemble democratic socialism more than true libertarianism.
kkdawg22@reddit
Any form of socialism is inherently authoritarian. The libertarians on the left look more philosophically communist, vying for a stateless society. Classical liberals would be considered right wing.
DemotivationalSpeak@reddit
I forget that communism’s end-goal is a stateless society since they never seem to get past the totalitarian dictatorship phase.
kkdawg22@reddit
Haha so true.
LawBroCOYG@reddit
When people say they are “libertarian,” they often mean something like a classical liberal or old Whig - the problem (in America) being that the Democrats co-opted the term “Liberal” so “libertarian” is a convenient way to say “small-government conservative” or “anti-MAGA conservative.”
There’s also a difference between “libertarian” and “Libertarian” - one is a set of ideas, the other is a “cohesive” policy platform. With due respect, the LP tends toward an extreme version of itself, which has the effect of turning away the liberty-curious.
ThunderMuffin233@reddit
Libertarianism is independent of being Left or Right. You can be libertarian left, libertarian right, or even libertarian centrist. Democrats and Republicans are just political parties that fall somewhere on the political compass, and are not the extremes of a single axis
UrLocalCalvinist@reddit
The funny thing anybody who would fall into the green corner is rarely an actual libertarian. The number of people who say they’re libertarian left but they’re just Democratic Socialists is baffling. Just goes to show the flaws of the poly comp quizzes methodology
boogieboardbobby@reddit
I'm kind of tired of the constant litmus test to claim to be a Libertarian. Sorry to break it to you, but we have a two party system today(Libertarian isn't one of them). If you solely vote for the Libertarian candidates because they are Libertarian, you are no better than the asshats that solely vote down other party lines.
There have been no viable Libertarian candidates, at the federal level, pretty much ever. So, most of us who believe in Libertarian perspectives have to make a hard choice during every election for the lessor of two evils.
Doesn't mean you give up, there are several levels of political offices. Before we have a realistic candidate for president, we need a groundswell of Libertarian leaning council persons, state reps, mayors, governors, and eventually federal reps and senators.
Have to stop the constant "prove to me you are a true Libertarian" bullshit.
AlphaTangoFoxtrt@reddit
If you vote Republican, you are a Republican. If you vote Democrat, you are a Democrat. It is your choices and your actions, which define you.
You may be a RELUCTANT Republican/Democrat, but that is what you are.
Because we reject BOTH ways. We don't want a compromise between both. We want neither.
Ron_dogg@reddit
I’m going to push back on that first part because it really only applies if you vote along party lines right? I’ve never voted strictly for 1 party all the way down the ballot before. That said I agree with the rest of your statement.
Icy_Pirate8367@reddit
Isn't that independent though? So still not libertarian but I do agree not necessarily democrat or republican either.
TheKorndawg720@reddit
I mean I think he himself is libertarian and a Ron Paul libertarian so to me that’s where my vote goes
TheKorndawg720@reddit
Exactly because Massie to me is honestly the best libertarian since Paul
Ok_Piglet_5549@reddit
No, I disagree. WE are not either, WE are voters/Americans. You may have to vote one of 3 ways, but we the voters have no involvement or "pay dues" in to one party, other than using you vote like a dollar to further their causes. The 3rd option is absentee, which is why I wish there was a vote of "no confidence in either choice" Which would be great if we could re-start the election process to a few months.
We have to remember we elect politicians to represent us, not we serve them like some many people who blindly vote blue or red.
Adora77@reddit
I'm a commie and joined libertarians because we can talk about economics after we fuck the two-party stranglehold over. Until then I agree with way more issues than disagree.
Local libertarians are my home.
TheKorndawg720@reddit
Look my friend this is the first step towards acceptance of libertarianism.😂😂😂
Time193@reddit
Somewhat, it actual hurts the party enough to where I simply say I'm conservative cause it's easier for people to understand. I don't dislike liberal libertarians but, they're are people like socialist libertarians, Anarcho-communist, etc. Who don't understand libertarian philosophy and do not see their own ideology is breaks the rules. Some conservative probably do the same these are just the 2 best examples in my mind.
If we had rational actors who didn't encourage violating the NAP, under the guise of equity, or people who didn't want to essentially make a new stronger version of the government after removing the existing one. I'd say it's fine unfortunately this is reddit, and about 80% of this site is dumber than a brick.
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ThunderMuffin233@reddit
Libertarianism is independent of being Left or Right. You can be libertarian left, libertarian right, or even libertarian centrist. Democrats and Republicans are just political parties that fall somewhere on the political compass, and are not the extremes of a single axis
Live_Taste_7796@reddit
There's nothing "midway" about it. Both major parties support the ever expansion of the state, libertarians do not want state expansion and view the state as an evil/immortal institution.
hughflungpooh@reddit
I don’t give a fuck who joins.
Positive-Candle-23@reddit
Also, and maybe newsflash, but there are libertarian-minded people outside of the USA. But totally agree that sometimes people hide their true sympathies behind a cloak of libertarianism.
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