Help me with this what CPU is better
Posted by Creative_Factor_7450@reddit | buildapc | View on Reddit | 18 comments
Ryzen 3600, GTX 1660 super on main pc my other pc has Ryzen 5 5600g in it should I put my 5600g in my main or should I keep my 3600? I saw the bench marks, just to be sure
Electronic_Desk_3170@reddit
if you can grab a 5600 (without integrated graphics) for around the same price as a 5600g then that would be a better choice, keep in mind that unless you plan to upgrade your gpu, then you will see minimal improvement because the 1660 super will be the limiting factor. if u want to keep then 1660 super a couple more years then just keep using the 3600 and save your cash.
Hungry-4-Info@reddit
Why would you suggest 5600 over the 5600g? Just curious.
postsshortcomments@reddit
The 5600 is a fairly massive CPU upgrade over the 5600g. Their model numbers might make them seem similar, but they are very different CPUs.
If you have a dedicated GPU that's better than the 5600g iGPU, there's no reason to have a 5600g. As for how good the iGPU is? Not great: you're better with something like a 1660.
If you have any modern GPU, I'd definitely try fishing for what I could get for a 5600g locally and buy a 5600. It's definitely the better CPU and probably $40 cheaper.
Hungry-4-Info@reddit
Thanks a ton for responding. This is really interesting info. I am a first time builder so most of this is foreign to me.
I was under (a very stupid it seems now) assumption that 5600 would be base, any of the lettering would be an upgrade so 5600g, 5600gt, 5600x and there a few more.
I also thought that having an igpu wouldn't make much of difference and might actually help since incase there is an issue with the dpgu while installing or failing later on. Does having an igpu on the same model (5600) really hurt its performance by a decent margin?
And I think in the last sentence you meant "5600 locally" not "5600g locally", yeah?
postsshortcomments@reddit
A few stinkers each generation tend to hide amongst the herd.
It's easier if you look at Zen 3 CPUs as either [Cezannes or Vermeers] it might be easier (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AMD_Ryzen_processors).
Cezannes are basically AM4's iGPU die. They aren't inherently bad for office builds, light gaming, low wattage builds, and compact media stations.. it's just that their GPU is an iGPU Vega 7/8 and that will only get you as far as pretty old GPU. Usually you can tell it's a Cezanne because there is a "g" in the product line, but there are some Cezannes that don't (5100, 5500, 5700). Understanding why those exist and why they typically are so cheap really helps to figure out where these strange "rule breaking" CPU comes from.
Basically, CPU manufacturing is an inexact science. It's difficult, because there tends to be a lot of defects & variance. Those CPU models you see each generation? You might have 20+ CPUs, but they're actually only from several manufacturing dies. Most of the models you see are the results of expected defects & variances while attempting to manufacture their top-line CPU. This is referred to as "binning." If some cores do not come out properly those cores are closed off. If the iGPU does not function according to standards.. the CPU side is still fine so they become a 5100, 5500, or 5700. In fact, a 5500 "without an iGPU" technically has the components for an iGPU inside of it.. it's just that it has been disabled in the factory.
The 5700 numbering is even more confusing.. because it's a Cezanne CPU numbered between Vermeer 5600, 5600x, 5700x, 5800x, 5800, etc.,). But here are benches of 'the near worst Vermeer,' the 5600, and a 5500/5700. Why did they choose it to fall there? I suspect because it's an 8-core 16 thread while 5600's are 6-core, 12 thread.
Vermeers tend to be the CPUs users look for if they have a dedicated GPU.
It really depends on architecture and CPU design. For instance, the difference between a 14600K vs. 14600KF is the iGPU. The CPU part performs almost identically either way.
The 5600 is about the worst Vermeer. The 5600g is a Cezanne. They're just entirely different architectures.
If you have a GPU, I'd try to sell the 5600g locally. Then buy a Vermeer (5600, 5700x, 5800x etc.,). The 5600 is about the worst Vermeer, but it's what I personally ran with a 4070 Ti Super and I liked it quite a bit.
VoraciousGorak@reddit
OP already has the 5600G in another PC. It's a small performance increase, but "small" is the operative word; I wouldn't bother swapping them. One of my backup PCs has an R5 3600 in it and it's quite comfortable paired with a 2080 Ti.
Ponald-Dump@reddit
5600g is a 3600 with an IGPU, they’re effectively the same
ConsistencyWelder@reddit
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/3481vs4325/AMD-Ryzen-5-3600-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-5600G
One is Zen 2, the other is Zen 3. They have different Lvl 3 cache sizes, different clocks, different performance and has an iGPU. What makes them the same?
Ponald-Dump@reddit
Because the 5600g uses the same zen 2 cores as the 3600 despite bearing the zen 3 numbering scheme. It also has 16mb l3 cache vs the 3600’s 32mb. The 3600 will outperform the 5600g in gaming slightly
ConsistencyWelder@reddit
I don't see how that's possible, given the 5600G has 25% better single thread performance.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-5-5600g/16.html
Ponald-Dump@reddit
Turns out the 5600g and 5500g both actually do use zen 2 cores:
https://www.techpowerup.com/cpu-specs/ryzen-5-5600g.c2471
Notice how the 5600g is labeled cezanne (zen 2)
https://www.techpowerup.com/cpu-specs/ryzen-5-5600.c2743
5600 is labeled vermeer (zen 3).
So the 5600g does use zen 2 cores. Can’t explain why it’s faster than the 3600 in single core tho
ConsistencyWelder@reddit
But it's not the same as the 3600. Neither in architecture, features or performance.
I personally would switch to the 5600G, it's just faster enough for me to do the switch. But just barely.
daanos60@reddit
But cache is a lot better in games, so it evens out
ConsistencyWelder@reddit
Not according to the results when techpowerup tested it. The 5600G is consistently faster in games.
Ponald-Dump@reddit
You’re right, my fault. I was thinking of the 5500/5500g. That’s the one that uses the zen 2 cores while being numbered 5xxx.
Noobitron12@reddit
I would spend the money on a better gpu personally, I didnt realize how crappy the 1660 super was until I put a RTX 3060 in my older rig. World of a difference, I run it with a i5- 10400f and It can handle some games on 1440 165hhz like fo76 and Diablo 4
Heroid12@reddit
They are about the same I think it's not worth to change
UntrimmedBagel@reddit
It’s not an incredible difference. I’d probably just wait for a proper upgrade when you can afford it.
Like another comment said, 5600 (without the g) is quite a bit better.