I need someone to give me solid advice on what they would do If they were me.
Posted by Any-Watercress-9984@reddit | flying | View on Reddit | 19 comments
M22, Aviation is simply my passion nothing else makes me happier nearly all my life. I started flight training at a small flight school local to me, Got to good amount of hours next flight solo, my exams expired so I got deflated basically. Few months later went to a big commercial flight school, absolutely was not for me.
I am abit lost without aviation, I dont know wether to start a business or go fully into it again or even go integrated this time around instead of modular? If you were me, I work full-time. What would you do?
sixmilefinal@reddit
Im not sure starting a business is the move as business struggle in aviation as it is, but how often did you fly to where your written expired?...
Any-Watercress-9984@reddit (OP)
Once a week.
Mad_Rooster_7164@reddit
And they just dumped you? There’s a lot more to this story you aren’t sharing.
Redfish680@reddit
Usually is…
MaybeBowtie@reddit
Oof, that’s not at all consistent enough.
I was only able to fly once a week when weather was bad. But now I’ve been flying 4-5 times a week. You want to be consistent so that you can build muscle memory quicker. There’s only so much you can do chair flying or simulator flying compared to actually flying.
minfremi@reddit
If aviation is your passion, you should’ve been flying more than once a week.
If you blame lack of funds, passion should take care of that and you can work overtime with another job and still fly 2+ times a week.
Torvaldicus_Unknown@reddit
If flying is your passion, you should do that. But you will need to fly at least twice a week if you’re gonna finish private in under a year.
skyHawk3613@reddit
Go back to a small flight school and stick with it
TemporaryAmbassador1@reddit
I worked for near min wage a took lessons as I could afford it. You can do it! Keep at it.
blueBaggins1@reddit
Im thoroughly confused as to why you simply didnt take the written again?
Any-Watercress-9984@reddit (OP)
I was just, i dunno man. i was embarrassed
Equivalent_Shock1122@reddit
How many hours do you currently have?
Student pilots and people who want to become pilots need to be weary of flight schools and perform some due diligence before attending.
Many years ago flight training models shifted from creating good solid aviators to the business of education, and may schools took on a predatory approach where students are fresh meat to be chewed up until their accounts run dry and training is stretched out as long as financially possible.
Generally speaking, you shouldn’t be in flight school and a flight school shouldn’t accept you unless you can fly 2-3 times a week (wx permitting). This will be a much more efficient model to learn, cultivate, and retain skills and information. Flying once a week is not a reliable recipe for growth or success. It just wastes your money but the predatory school will love you.
Additionally, you should be finishing your private certificate in 40-60 hours. You should be soloing around 10 hours +/- . Anything more than something is wrong.
Quite often, schools make up loads of excuses about how your private certificate will take 80-150 hours. They’re dragging out solos as long as possible. It should be criminal for it to take this long. If a school is telling people it will take this long to earn their certificate the they are being predatory and just trying to maximize their profit per student. Schools and CFIs started doing this maybe 20 or so years ago but it has gotten exponentially worse when venture capital started getting involved in flight training, and it spread like a disease from there.
Generally speaking, your private certificate should cost you around $10k +/- depending on your area and fuel costs. 40-60 hours should take a few months at best. You should be able to knock out your private pilot in part of a summer depending on your location.
It may be worth considering saving up $10k-15k and find an old school, small airport in the country, with a professional CFI that is middle-aged or better, even retired, who teaches people because they’re passionate about aviation and cultivating the next generation of aviators.
Be cautious about the CFIs, particularly newly minted young kid CFIs, who are simply using you as their ticket to 1500 hours so they can move on to the next step of their aviation career.
Right now we see a lot of predatory behavior among flight schools and CFIs because you’re their ticket to better profits and the next stage, and they want every possible dollar they can get out of you.
I’d strongly encourage you to interview your CFI like you’re hiring a contractor or an employee— because that’s exactly what they are. You’re hiring them to perform a service. You want to hire someone that will help you achieve your goals as safely, thoroughly, and cost-effectively as possible. Ask about their teaching style, their philosophy on flight training and time building, and their organization and prep for each lesson. If they don’t align with your learning style/preferences, if they aren’t organized, communicative, a good pilot with solid flying skills who can effectively teach those skills, if they don’t respect your time and money, and if the think it’s going to take more than 60 hours, then move on and find another instructor.
Some young instructors are pretty good and responsible but we’re seeing a lot of instructors being cultivated by predatory schools and culture which is not helpful. This is not a fraternity where you have to pay your dues, survive the hazing, and wait until you get to do the same when you’re a CFI.
My favorite instructors to fly with are middle-aged or even senior citizens that are in the CFI profession because they’re passionate about aviation and education. You may have to hunt around a few different airports to find one but they’re out there and commonly found and smaller airports.
Over many years of flying and training, a good pilot is always learning, I’ve encountered several predatory operations but have found many healthy flight educators.
One example of one of the healthiest flight school is a place called Twin Oaks, in Oregon. They’re a family owned, private airport on the old family farm. The great granddad mowed an airstrip back in the 1950’s or around then. The son help his father build it. The son grew up in aviation and farming. When he took over, he and his wife built it into a flight school and poured their money into building a great private airport facility, with hangars and space for the aviation community to come together. Son was a pilot, A&P, CFI, and did it all. When he and his wife had kids, their kids grew up in aviation and flight instruction. One kid became an A&P and built an aircraft maintenance business on the family airport. Their daughter became an airline captain who married another captain. At some point in their career, they took over the family flight training and airport management operation. The husband stepped back from the airlines, I think, and he became a DPE for the school and maybe does some professional flying on the side. They are the third generation to run this family flight training and community hub. They’re raising their kids in it. They still live on the farm/airport. They don’t have venture capital, they aren’t paying rent to a municipal authority. They own their planes outright and aren’t making payments. They invest in aircraft maintenance and updates. They aren’t responsible to shareholders or big corporations looking to maximize profits. They run a good business that is focused on cultivating good pilots, and they are among the most cost effective flight training operations I’ve seen west of the Rockies. Most of their CFis are former students. They have a decent number of professional CFis. Once in a while they get a CFi from somewhere else who may try some of the common schemes but they’re usually corrected or don’t last. They’re well managed and generally do the right thing.
I would imagine there are similar operations throughout the country, probably in smaller towns.
Hunt around, you may need to relocate, but put some time into finding a healthy flight school and healthy instructors that will help you achieve goals in a time and cost effective manner. Don’t accept predatory behavior. You’re the client, you’re spending your hard earned money, and you don’t have to accept bad service, instruction, or poor management practices.
ltcterry@reddit
Not sure “wether” you’ve got “abit” of what it takes to start a business.
Expired writtens made you decide to change schools? You had two years…
You still have to do the written tests no matter where you fly.
Go back to the small school after you’ve saved enough to pay for Private. Start flying. Get writtens done.
Just from what you wrote about “big commercial flight school not for you,” you’re not a good candidate for integrated.
Stop. Breath. Save. Regroup. Reattack Private. Just Private. Not “I’m gonna be an airline pilot.”
Set attainable, incremental goals.
VileInventor@reddit
This is the answer, though aviation might not be for you if your written expired in the time it took you to reach solo.
MeatServo1@reddit
Passionate people aren’t deflated by obstacles, they’re just temporary setbacks. If you throw in the towel this easy, it wasn’t your passion. That’s fine, but you have to be honest with yourself about what that means and whether you really have what it takes to grind through commercial time building, 1000 hours of CFI, five years of regional flying, and then maybe have a shot at a major. An expired written test is a tiny bump compared to the weight of the rest of it.
ATrainDerailReturns@reddit
Writtens take 24 calendar months to expire. Getting your PPL shouldn’t take that long even if you are just casually flying. Are you sure it’s your passion? Why are you only flying once a week if it’s your passion?
I think you need to address that why before you consider anything else.
If the issue is money then you’d be better off stopping for X months and saving up the money
if the issue is too far maybe you need to find a new place closer
if the issue is too busy, you need to rearrange your life to prioritize your passion or maybe find a CFI willing to go early before work (this is what I did) or late after work
if the cfi is busy find a second CFI and fly with both
if you can only tolerate the CFI once a week find a new CFI
Etc. in my experience consistently flying often is the #1 factor to success and progress
Accurate-Place-7298@reddit
Is a student pilot still a pilot? Isn’t a PPL still a student pilot? Are not we all lifetime learners and therefore student pilots? Yes. We are all struggling to learn and find the next best move. If you stay on Reddit long enough you’ll see someone with 4000 hours wondering what they should do next. If I were in your shoes I would 1. Keep working. You’ll need $. Lots of it. 2. Retake expired exams. 3. Find another local flight school and fly part 61: slow and steady wins the race. 4. Be patient with yourself. 5. Don’t listen to gatekeepers and keep going. 6. Integrate some form of AI into my game plan. 7. Be accountable. If you tell someone close to you your plan and give them permission to check in you are more likely to achieve your goal. 8. Remember there are “ no shortcuts to greatness”. And no elevator to success, you gotta take the stairs. So keep grinding. You’ve got this! 💪🏼 oh and 9. Learn and grow as much as you can outside of aviation. That means gym, reading books on personal development, podcasts and networking. And while I’m on a tangent 10: date someone boring that is stable.(the fun one will ruin your life!).
blacknessofthevoid@reddit
Stop thinking & acting on spontaneous emotions, figure out what you want from life / set a goal and put the work in. Otherwise, no matter what you do, you will keep getting “deflated” at every minor obstacle in your life.
rFlyingTower@reddit
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M22, Aviation is simply my passion nothing else makes me happier nearly all my life. I started flight training at a small flight school local to me, Got to good amount of hours next flight solo, my exams expired so I got deflated basically. Few months later went to a big commercial flight school, absolutely was not for me.
I am abit lost without aviation, I dont know wether to start a business or go fully into it again or even go integrated this time around instead of modular? If you were me, I work full-time. What would you do?
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