Is education a natural right? If so, should the State fund it?
Posted by Trailaholic3@reddit | Libertarian | View on Reddit | 30 comments
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Posted by Trailaholic3@reddit | Libertarian | View on Reddit | 30 comments
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A_Vinegar_Taster@reddit
If the government is going to take my money, they'd better be spending it on my society's well being. And whatever they spend it on, they'd better get results. I don't care how hard they tried, if the results are a failure, then you're fired.
I'm tired of hearing about high school graduates who can barely read. Public educators should be ashamed of themselves for those failures.
hammersaw@reddit
Spoken like someone who has never been involved in public education.
A_Vinegar_Taster@reddit
I believe we should fire most of them and let private businesses take over.
Not all, of course, but many educators in this country are a joke that aren't earning their money, their retirement plans and all of their time off.
GigaGrozen@reddit
The educators have their hands tied. They no longer have any power to enforce discipline or make children participate.
While the education system has failed the teachers and the children, most of the blame should be placed on the parents.
We should demand more from the education system that we pay for, but ultimately it is our responsibility to ensure that our children are being educated.
Too many children are being neglected by their parents and schools are incapable of raising them or getting them to buy into learning.
Same-Cabinet4193@reddit
No, and no
stereoagnostic@reddit
Anything that requires the labor of someone else cannot be considered a right. Rights are protections from tyranny not free stuff.
inebriatus@reddit
I like to ask people, if I’m alone on a deserted island, do I have all of my rights?
SANcapITY@reddit
You have no rights alone on the island because rights only make sense when there are scarce resources that are rivalrous.
inebriatus@reddit
Rights I still have alone just off the top of my head: Freedom of movement, speech, thought, property.
I’ve never heard the definition of a right that requires the possibility of infringement.
SANcapITY@reddit
Freedom of speech is not a libertarian concept. It is a prohibition on government action, but from the perspective of libertarian philosophy, it is not a useful concept.
Rothbard said it best: all rights are property rights. Everything is understood in the context of property.
You don't have freedom of movement: it is bounded by the property rights of others. To say you have freedom of movement in an apocalyptic event where you are the last person on earth is nonsensical.
As to property, what would it mean to say that alone on the desert island the coconuts you collect are your property? Without anyone to challenge you for them, you don't need property rights at all.
inebriatus@reddit
You keep asserting that rights need challenges to exist. Why? What are you getting at? Maybe I’d agree but I’m Not seeing any particular point to what you’re saying.
SANcapITY@reddit
Do you first agree that all rights are property rights?
If yes, why do we need property rights in the first place?
inebriatus@reddit
Needing something != having something.
SANcapITY@reddit
I don't know what you're trying to say. Answer my questions.
GigaGrozen@reddit
Out of curiosity, would you consider the role of enforcing those rights as labor?
lightknightrr@reddit
Indeed. He appears to be thinking in terms of "positive" rights, as opposed to "negative" rights.
LuminousGoL@reddit
The way I see it is rights are things you cannot be denied chasing after. Not things you MUST get. You gotta work for what you want no matter what it is. Rights just make sure the governments and other entities cannot use force to prevent you from it imo. But that doesn't mean you can enslave teachers and force them to teach, nor enslave doctors and force them to give abortions or other medical care, nor gunsmiths and force them to give everyone guns.
Right to obtain and prevent seizure of.
Not right to have and ensure access to.
ImNotAndreCaldwell@reddit
Why is this sub full of non-libertarians pretending to be libertarians?
GigaGrozen@reddit
Most of us agree that our rights should be protected, but nobody can agree on what those rights are.
NeoWayland@reddit
Disagreeing is at least one-third of libertarianism.
OnceAndFutureDerp@reddit
Not a right, but an investment.
t0rnAsundr@reddit
Define education OP.
Trailaholic3@reddit (OP)
The natural human act of learning and the act of passing down knowledge. I define it this way possibly because I presume education as a right, therefore it could be presocial?
reserved_seating@reddit
I would hate to think how a government funded education system could manipulate our kids depending on the voted in flavor or the popular opinion of the time.
TTeasdale1@reddit
“Could”, or “does”?
Trailaholic3@reddit (OP)
"Does" is unfortunately correct, in an ideal society this post wouldn't have been made smh
Rare-Bet-870@reddit
I think the government should provide a base line but allow school choice to allow competition.
NeoWayland@reddit
Which education? Madrasah? Bob Jones University? Elaine’s Plumbing?
AlphaTangoFoxtrt@reddit
Yes, in that you have a right to educate yourself and others. This is covered by the first amendment right to free speech. You have a right to teach, and to be taught, by those willing to teach and be taught.
You do not have a right, for example, to force someone to pay for your college degree.
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