At 40mph I would travel ten body lengths on 1 second orr approximately 60 feet per second - always check your bolts and tune properly and wear appropriate protective gear
Posted by slacknsurf420@reddit | ebikes | View on Reddit | 63 comments
I wear pretty much head to to gear I'm kinda anxious at those speeds but pedaling with the bike feels amazing
Ghost-Power@reddit
I don’t gotta garage. Was thinking of paying $30 a month to store my foldable ebike a storage unit. What do yall think????
PhoneFresh7595@reddit
At 40mph you need full motorbike gear including a full face helmet and m/c gloves
Inciteful_Analysis@reddit
Or maybe don't ride a bicycle derivative at 40mph.
slacknsurf420@reddit (OP)
I've got e50 rated tires I'm confident and nearly put 500 miles in it so far... In like a month and half idk
804k@reddit
E50 are mopeds, aka 30mph
Mopeds are bicycles, not talking about "moped style" ebikes either, theyre just a bicycle with a motor
Youre going 10mph over (technically 9, but whatever) the ratings on the tires, while its fine on something like Schwalbe Pickup or other similar tires, dont take it too fast lol, your head tube can cause a death wobble and send you off the bike at those speeds since these ebikes flex, and the flexing is a feedback loop
ThiccBot69@reddit
Wuss
thatfeelingwhenyour@reddit
I bet you ride on sidewalks too.
ThiccBot69@reddit
Nah definitely not. Why would I lol
thatfeelingwhenyour@reddit
Wuss ;)
atlasraven@reddit
Moped style or dirt bike are the bikes for this speed, if you must.
PreferenceAny3920@reddit
Obviously not.
slacknsurf420@reddit (OP)
Dirt bikes are completely different and lack pedals and wouldn't even last the duration I pedal at that speed
0hden@reddit
It's quite a rite of passage for people like OP to post in this subreddit with such a post instead of posting on /r/hyperebikes
qwertyqwerty4567@reddit
Nah, we should not be normalizing the word "hyperebike".
There is no such thing as a hyperebike. The word to use is motorcycle
SlashNreap@reddit
A powerful Ebike is as much a motorcycle than a gokart is a car. And in fact, doing what you're doing right now makes things worse for everyone, because now you're advocating for machines that are not rated as motorcycles, and not rated for motorcycle speeds and use-cases, to be used as that.
You understand just what goes into making a modern motorcycle, right? The sheer amount of development that went into them over 100+ years, standardization, safety norms, etc.. I'm not saying there are not E-motorcycles, there are E-motorcycles, but, contrary to illegally powerful Ebikes, E-motorcycles have been designed from the ground up, as a motorcycle. Like Zero, or LiveWire, Stark Varg.
Things have categories for a reason, it's not simply tied to speed or whether or not is has a throttle. A Surron is a light electric dirt bike because it was designed from the ground-up as one. Not because it's capable of X speed.
slacknsurf420@reddit (OP)
The original surron was just a MTB with a big battery and rear hub there wasn't anything specific about it designed to make it like a motorcycle - todays ultras bees are different
But they aren't in the same class either, electric dirt bikes don't have pedals for one, they are heavier and need larger batteries, and all the power is delivered on a single hub in the back meaning the motor is more specialized with custom controller etc
If I did get a faster vehicle it would have to have a significantly larger battery say 120ah, so by definition a motorcycle or cruiser, and it would travel near twice as fast by default, but it would be much heavier and serve a complete different purpose as a highway commuter
If anything about the bike in question doesn't feel like it fits right it's maybe that the fork is undersized for the power in front but I haven't had any issues except some squirm if I let go of the bars under torque
SlashNreap@reddit
The thing is, Triumph motorcycles also started out as bicycles with engines on them, but the reason we still call them motorcycles to this day and not just "motorized bicycles" is because that's what was available as far as motorcycle technology at the time of their manufacture. Therefore, by definition, they were engineered from the ground up to be motorcycles, not bicycles.
If today an Ebike company decides to branch out, and make motorcycles, they can't just slap a throttle and call it a day, they'll have to step it up a good notch and make something that conforms to modern standards and to whichever motorcycle category they want to settle towards.
Ultimately though, I'm definitely not judging your choice, I personally would go for a beefy Ebike too, I'm utilitarian at heart. I was moreso correcting the user above about the differences between a powerful Ebike vs a motorcycle. I'm just explaining to them that your electric bike is not a motorcyle, no matter how powerful it is, because it was never designed or engineered to be and I'm glad you can make the distinction.
caprisunkraftfoods@reddit
The first Triumph motorcycle had an engine with less power than a modern 1000w mid drive.
SlashNreap@reddit
I get your point. Ebikes are going to be more powerful, yes. But again, the context is that was during the infancy of motorcycles, limited technology. When I take the Triumph as an example, I'm actually not taking the power output strictly to define it as a motorcycle, that's the misconception. You define a motorcycle by how it was engineered, and at what time-period.
The same reason that, even if "simplistic" the inherent design and intended use of these motorcycles did not make them usable as bicycles anymore.
Modern Ebikes however, come from a very, very different context compared to motorcycles and benefit from already-developped technlologies. They yet again are based on bicycles, but their design and engineering stays much closer to modern bicycle DNA rather than straying away from them. Usually, form follows function unless the form is a selling point.
I hope you get my point, because simply tossing a certain category of Ebikes into just "motorcycles" might really do more harm than good for both Ebikes and motorcycles alike, legislation and otherwise.
caprisunkraftfoods@reddit
I understand what you're saying, but I think you're just having fun coming up with labels more than you're solving a real problem.
Basically the main lesson the hundred years of development is that speed and weight are the only factors that really matter from a safety standpoint. If you hit the ground at 50 mph from 2 wheels, it doesn't matter if you came off a 3000w ebike or a 500cc race bike, the damage to you still the same. And likewise for a pedestrian or another vehicle in a collision it's about energy and relative mass.
In light of that these labels are academic. All that matters is how fast does it go and how much does it weigh relative to a person.
SlashNreap@reddit
I agree with you there on most of it, if an Ebike and a motorcycle are travelling at the same speed, and you fall, what matters from that point on is the gear you're wearing as far as injuries go. You'll hit the ground the same. In fact that actually makes it worse, nobody expects an Ebike user to wear full gear, save for a helmet.
But I'll clarify a little more. It's not exactly about the "DNA" or being some kind of purist but moreso about current safety standards all modern motorcycles are subjected to. If you have a machine that will do motorcycle speeds with bicycle-grade brakes, then that machine is not safe as a motorcycle, nor is it fair for other manufacturers to have to adhere to these standards when some company can shit out an absurd Ebike and just go "Oh, yeah, this is a motorcycle btw."
You shouldn't have to stop and think "Can the machine really handle the speeds it advertises safely and sustainably?" You don't really *think* like this when you hop on a purpose-built motorcycle, really. You most likely do if someone tells you to try their Ebike that's capable of 40mph. On a motorcycle you mostly second-guess your own skills, not the machine's ability to do what it does.
Over here, for example in the EU, ABS has been mandatory and expected on new models since 2016. This is relatively new, and of course, older motorcycles without ABS aren't suddenly considered anything else, but it means that *newly produced* motorcycles must adhere to said standards in order to be sold and ridden in traffic. I don't know a lot of Ebikes that do.
qwertyqwerty4567@reddit
Hyperebikes are not a category, it's a shitty marketing term ecells made up to sell their illegal motorcycles.
And obviously, they aren't comparable to real motorcycles, but they aren't real ebikes either since they are not adhering to the laws that govern what is legally an ebike.
And no, what I'm doing is not more dangerous. The dangerous part here are the people pretending a 50 mph "ebike" is a real thing and not an illegal motorcycle.
SlashNreap@reddit
I didn't argue against that. Either way they need to be figured out as vehicles if companies keep meeting demand, otherwise, people will start to push to fit them in a category they truly don't belong.
I'll disagree with the last part. When you look at them and go "Hm, this thing with less efficient brakes, no ABS, "comfort" frames, no proper safety standardization and requirements. Wow it's really dangerous. Oh I know! It needs to be a motorcycle"
Like I get what you're saying but, here's the thing with the logic of calling these Ebikes "illegal motorcycles". An illegal motorcycle is a souped up 1400cc Hayabusa that's seen its engine modified beyond any reasonable capacity. Or an engine-swapped 125cc motorcycle to a 250cc twin. But it's still a motorcycle in of itself.
These machines on the other hand, are not motorcycles to begin with, in order to be considered "illegal motorcycles". They're just illegal Ebikes, if you really want to call them that.
PreferenceAny3920@reddit
Considering over half this sub needs to fuck back off to r/bicycles
ThiccBot69@reddit
I swear some people in here need to take there tremors medicine or stick to a regular bike. Controlling 90% of bikes at 28mph shouldn’t be a challenge unless your tires are like inch wide slicks or something
slacknsurf420@reddit (OP)
It's not about technical skill it's about being smart not stupid
TheFeenyCall@reddit
Where did you get the percentage breakdown
ThiccBot69@reddit
You could get hurt walking out your front door, living life based on the possibility of something going wrong sounds like a dull pessimistic existence. If your bike can handle 20-25 but not 28 sounds like there’s something wrong with the bike or… the riders ability, also where protection of your so worried about getting hurt lol
slacknsurf420@reddit (OP)
Nah that's just dumb, I know something can happen when I walk out the door - at 5 mph
ThiccBot69@reddit
If you struggle controlling the bike at more than 20 just say that,
slacknsurf420@reddit (OP)
I ride at 40?
Laserdollarz@reddit
Some of these overpowered 26x4 bikes have pretty bad speed wobbles, especially with a rear battery and cargo. The center of balance becomes so far back, the front wheel gets to do whatever it wants.
Try my goofy recumbent at 28mph... it's terrifying for different reasons lmao
ChadScav@reddit
Wait that thing does 40mph dam stock or did you have to mess with it.
SilentIyAwake@reddit
This sub, and reddit are quite interesting.
There are little echo chamber pockets that appear. In this sub, there are the legal e-bike defenders and illegal e-bike defenders.
As for where I stand? I don't have a big opinion, as long as the fast bikes stay on the road, and not on trails, sidewalks, or bike paths, or at the very least if they do, they slow way down, then go right ahead.
But they can screw off if they're going over 30mph in those specific environments where people are walking. Thankfully though, you only see stupid kids doing that.
I personally don't need a fast e-bike because I am very fortunate have access to two cars, so my e-bike is more for casual enjoyment and for going outside to enjoy nature. For that, being slower is actually a benefit.
ForsakenRow6751@reddit
Holy shit, nuance and reasoning?!
SilentIyAwake@reddit
E-transportation is great, and great that it's so accessible, you don't need a license or registration or anything else in most places still.
But because of selfish people riding recklessly, it won't remain accessible for the rest of us for very much longer.
KabosuCheemz@reddit
So in my town there’s times where there aren’t bike paths. You’re telling me I can’t ride on the sidewalk? I don’t see the big deal. Barely anyone even walks on them.
SilentIyAwake@reddit
As I very clearly stated, if you're going very fast when people are around on a sidewalk, you're not being a nice person.
Stay on the road if you're going to ride very fast.
ForsakenRow6751@reddit
If I was going 40 on pavement, I'd just get a motorcycle.
I love cruisin at 12 mph on my fattire though :3
skippytheowl@reddit
What people overestimate is the physics of hitting the ground the faster you go. I swear people have watched too many Marvel movies. The obstacles out there range from, rats, squirrels, wasps, raccoons, cats, dogs, little kids etc…all of the above have launched themselves in front of myself during regular cycling, some into my bike (Not little kids) but add an Ebike with 28mph consistently, you better have great reaction, handling and breaking responses, because emergency isn’t as much fun a place as you’d imagine. So ride safe :)
Professional_Ad_6462@reddit
From a safety perspective to travel at those speeds why not just buy a 125 cc Japanese motorcycle much safer And even here in Europe easy licensure.
From reading posts here the motivation in owning does not seem they are all environmentalists.
I have a 25km limited high end ( R&M) that I use for commuting and rehab/ exercise.
When I have the need for speed I have a Honda CRF 400 Fitted as a super motard I race at go cart tracks. If I let it go in a corner the bike and I can just get up and co it again.
Royal_Let_7857@reddit
good tips about protective gear and tightening bolts and spokes lots of people think that because they spent more money that their bike is safer this is not the case you have to maintain it whether he bought it at Walmart or you bought it at a bike shop you have to maintain it check fasteners look for cracks tighten spokes ..things get loose..
AmidEvilTimes@reddit
Just get a motorcycle weirdo
_Cerebral_Musings@reddit
urlond@reddit
And you're probably the reason why laws are being targeted towards Ebike users. Also shops are now not going to work on ebikes because they wont work on them because they dont want to be held liable for injuries or deaths if if they sold the product.
That's an Emoto at that speed and requires a license, registration, and insurance.
Additional_Delay_793@reddit
Where do you ride that? Legally?
FrenchFatCat@reddit
slacknsurf420@reddit (OP)
It would be neat just to watch the speedometer go crazy
Life_Instruction1900@reddit
I unrestricted my bike once from 15.5mph went to around 30mph and it was effin terrifying. Bikes aren't built for those kind of speeds, and I can't see the point either. Literally might as well get an electric ped or a dirt bike. These kinda unrestricted amazon bikes are dangerous for everyone in their proximity.
slacknsurf420@reddit (OP)
They are dangerous in the wrong hands absolutely but technology advances quickly the bikes have gotten much better in such a short period there will undoubtedly be inexperienced riders
But the bike should feel safe to ride at those speeds or some is wrong
tokin247@reddit
40mph hardtail here. Keeps you on the edge of your seat 🤣
Powerful-Ice-4579@reddit
Those are six hundred dollars aren't they? Don't skimp on the helmet.
Powerful-Ice-4579@reddit
Sorry I thought it was mockwheel.
slacknsurf420@reddit (OP)
around 2k fitted
Proxy345@reddit
Go as fast as you can and don't look back. I've been riding for so long that nothing scares me.
slacknsurf420@reddit (OP)
Speed is an addiction I still crave more unless it's windy lol but she cruises even through that
Smurf06@reddit
That thing is nice, be safe and have fun!
slacknsurf420@reddit (OP)
I will this is the most fun I've had riding ever!
Powerful-Ice-4579@reddit
It seems useful if safe, just not at 40 mph. 28 feels already out there on my class 3 bikes. Still learning also.
slacknsurf420@reddit (OP)
Speed is useful because it simplifies the ride and in an inherently hot environment you have to move briskly without a sweat or you die of exhaustion
hysys_whisperer@reddit
No way that thing is even a little bit safe at that speed. How does this stuff get sold? I realize consumer protection isn't exactly this administration's strong suit but dayum.
Unless of course you're an auto industry shill trying to give regular ebikes a bad name...
Nicky2Nuts@reddit
You simply don’t know. Yet you comment as if you do. This is this whole suds problem.
so_many_wangs@reddit
Complete with the Lamborghini sticker lmfao.
Nice Amazon deathtrap though. Keep the 40mph off-road so you dont traumatize any families when you're bike disintegrates under load.