GWM (Great Wall Motor) to release a V8 Supercar and SUV, for global markets
Posted by kstetter@reddit | cars | View on Reddit | 50 comments
Posted by kstetter@reddit | cars | View on Reddit | 50 comments
SwissMargiela@reddit
For some reason this dumbass sub doesn’t let you post pics, but the engine location in photo 5 of 6 is nuts and the transmission is in the front? How tf do you work on this thing? Lift the whole body off?
krodders@reddit
It's pretty obviously a mid-engined layout, looking from the rear quarter
Transaxle transmission at the rear, the motor is further forward, then the rest of the chassis bits
So, a pig to work on, yes, but that's expected with a mid- engine sports car
I'd be extremely surprised if the normal cars aren't front engined with rwd for the bigger motors. Possible but unlikely that they put the transmission on the rear axle, but that's one way of balancing your car
SwissMargiela@reddit
Yea I misread this as “supercar SUV” like I thought they were just talking about an SUV, hence my confusion.
kstetter@reddit (OP)
I noticed my wording could be confusing after posting, sorry!
threeinacorner@reddit
No I think this is the V8 supercar, not the SUV. You can see the front mounted motor. I think they're going with a combined P2/3 and P4 hybrid setup.
Users5252@reddit
The design reminds me of a Noble M12 with how the greenhouse is done, most renderings looks off because the guys doing speculation renders started relying on AI instead of mapping out every visible surface themselves.
threeinacorner@reddit
https://www.tarmaclife.co.nz/gwm/gwm-reveals-their-supercar-and-performance-vehicle-intention/
I'm talking about the purple GT3 render in this article lol
You can't tell me that's not a 296 GT3.
Users5252@reddit
The designer was cooking with the trident headlights on the initial sketches beside it, whoever that decided that the final design would look like that got zero imagination.
threeinacorner@reddit
Exactly, I hope the render was just a placeholder to show that GWM is going to GT racing, like how one early render of the Dreame hypercar looked like an exact Bugatti clone. (tbh one of their concept ended up looking like a bugatti clone so idk lmao)
PsychopathCashew973@reddit
Yes, it's just a fanmade placeholder. I don't know what GWM's goal is in pasting a bunch of contrasting fan work on the wall confusing people about the final design.
Users5252@reddit
I don't know, Chinese companies have a problem where they hire the most competent designers, but the final designs tend to be chosen by those least competent in design.
Thomas_633_Mk2@reddit
Let whoever makes Oras cook and make the Elise GT1/997 era 911 2
threeinacorner@reddit
I know, it actually pisses me off. At least BYD and Geely seems to make some nice designs (the new Lynk & Co concept genuinely makes me hopeful), but Chery for example, doesn't even try. It's like they just put a photo of popular cars into an AI model and tell it to change them a little.
Craniummon@reddit
from what i've noticed one photo it's a mid engine car, so the transmission is mounted at back behind the engine (i think C8 Corvette it's like that). The SUV engine i think it's on photo 4 of 6 because looks like a body-on-frame chassi.
Wouldn't be surprised if they all use engine based on Mercedes V8 since Mercedes is partially owned by Chineses now... And Chineses loves to copy first.
stoned-autistic-dude@reddit
Those Wuhan whistles are looking huge. This thing is going to be a rocket.
Dachshand@reddit
Just watched the Beijing Motor Show coverage… not one original design to be seen anywhere. All copy cats and faceless SUV blobs.
kstetter@reddit (OP)
There were plenty of original designs
Dachshand@reddit
Like?
kstetter@reddit (OP)
Most of the BYDs shown are unique designs by Wolfgang Egger.
leedle1234@reddit
Does great wall have enthusiast cred now in China because they keep making ICE cars? They made a lot of shitboxes for decades with the old Mitsubishi 4 cylinders they bought/licensed the design for.
raginnation999@reddit
They do, especially in the off-road space. They equip their off-roaders with serious amounts of kit that you would expect in more expensive off-roaders that never even see the beaten path. Tell me an affordable off-roader that has 3 differential locks that's more affordable than a G-Wagon. Not even the Bronco or Wrangler can lay to that claim, you are more likely to name a GWM product instead. Certain variants of the Cannon mid-sized pickup, the larger Cannon Alpha, the Tank 300, and the 500 offer 3 diff locks. These vehicles are also pretty capable too; go watch Aussie reviews of these vehicles off-road. Even if you buy a PHEV version of those vehicles, it will still be as capable as other off-roaders we know and love. You get the best of both worlds as a result.
These guys also believe in motorsport since they've entered Dakar way before their announcement at Beijing (2012). It's actually more of a return to the discipline lol which not a lot of people know or remember. That's obviously on top of the GT3 announcement. GWM clearly believes in the fundamentals of car-making and they want to strike a balance between adding tech and old-school engineering. I may not be a Chinese car guy, but if I were to cheer on one, it's these guys.
Proper_Individual578@reddit
because the jeep/bronco doesn't have 3 diffs. In 4wd with the F/R lockers engaged on them it behaves exactly the same as a vehicle with 3 lockers. The difference is there's no AWD mode that can be used on dry pavement on the jeep/bronco
xstanloona@reddit
Don't care too much about Chinese electric cars. However, I am very interested to see China's interpretation of a V8 gas powered car. They have lagged behind when it comes to ICE development, so this car will be exciting to see.
w00stersauce@reddit
I’d imagine it would be pretty good since they all basically have state sponsored money to simply buy talent.
PsychopathCashew973@reddit
I'm not convinced of this for GWM. They're alone and being the only ones in China who are taking any engine >2.0L seriously. Their CEO just really wants a supercar.
LAXBASED@reddit
They have the Hongqi (Red flag in Chinese) L5 and L9 in a v8 and v12 configuration of Chinese motors. We never get to see that side of the world’s market the way they have access to ours. Sucks we miss out on some weird and quirky cars as Doug would say.
familyguy20@reddit
Why I always enjoyed the Hyundai/Genesis/Kia V8s from the recent years it’s fucking awesome to see what they did and really kept up the luxury sedans!
AmericanExcellence@reddit
odd...i heard china was constitutionally incapable of producing internal combustion engines prior to becoming magically supercapable of making evs.
arcticrobot@reddit
so exciting /s
threeinacorner@reddit
I mean if Chinese manufacturers are going to take over a significant part of the world's car market, having one go "Yes, we're building a big V8 because the Aussies told us to" is a pretty good thing.
kstetter@reddit (OP)
Australia has a surprising influence on Chinese manufacturers
threeinacorner@reddit
That's because here in Aus they're basically using us as a testing ground for their international models. We don't have high tariffs for Chinese cars, we don't have a domestic car manufacturing industry to protect (anymore), and our safety and emission standards are quite high so if the car passes regulations in Australia, it shouldn't have too much of a problem to pass in other countries.
Captain_Alaska@reddit
Nothing about our emission standards is high. We've only just moved to Euro6 (as in literally in December), a standard from 2014, after being on the previous 2009 Euro5 standard until then.
threeinacorner@reddit
Fair enough. I said quite high because while you are right about the EU being stricter, I think we are still pretty good relative to the rest of the world.
Captain_Alaska@reddit
I mean that's correct but that has more to do with the lack of emission requirements in most of the world than it has anything to do with Euro5 being particularly hard to hit, that standard is from 2009.
You're correct they're using us for crash testing but there really isn't much overlap with our emissions because ours haven't been high enough to pose any real issue and they were entering Europe at the same time they came here, so they were already building engines that exceed our own standards until we made Euro6 standard.
TacticalAcquisition@reddit
We're also extremely contrarian. A bunch of people will whine about cheap Chinese junk being incapable, so others will go and buy it and send it. So you'll see people taking their Sharks off road, and even up Beer O'clock Hill lmao
threeinacorner@reddit
Speaking of Beer o clock Hill, did BYD ever update the Shark since it didn't fare too well the first time? I know they recently showed off the Denza SUVs going up there pretty nicely
TacticalAcquisition@reddit
I'm not to sure tbh. I saw a couple of blokes attempt it, and lay out what BYD would need to do to increase the capability, but it's not something I really follow.
tararira1@reddit
At least they are trying.
threeinacorner@reddit
I've commented all over this thread already (since I'm very interested in this development) but this is a really good sign that Chinese manufacturers aren't just going to export their style of cars to the rest of the world, they are genuinely trying to make models that cater to different markets. Beyond this example, take BYD: - they're developing a hybrid hatchback (which won't sell in China) because that's what Europeans want - they have the Shark for the Australian and LatAm markets, and they've even rolling out a bigger engine for it because Aussies want more towing capacity - they're developing a Kei-style car specifically for the Japanese market - they have a basic, affordable seven-seater for the SEA market.
And then you have Geely with their new Lynk&Co concept, which, which is the first time I've seen a Chinese car interior without a huge center screen, and it's so good to see.
TacticalAcquisition@reddit
BYD is apparently also in talks to enter Formula One
Thomas_633_Mk2@reddit
Petition for GWM to put their 2 litre flat-8 in a sports car next, if they're listening to feedback
Captain_Alaska@reddit
BYD also gave us a cab-chassis version for our tradies.
They’re also working on a full sized truck to take on the RAM 1500 and F-150.
V8-Turbo-Hybrid@reddit
They look no needing money to develop so many different cars.
They even care Japan where isn’t a huge market ? Western automakers never plan that because they don’t think it made profits.
V8-Turbo-Hybrid@reddit
Good luck with their Supercar, we don’t think it would sell well.
Toyota has failed with LFA, and Honda has failed in second gen NSX. We even don’t think upcoming GRGT and Genesis could change these exotic buyers although we r/cars so love both coming. GWM would be no different with Japanese and Hyundai.
kstetter@reddit (OP)
"we"?
if they use it in racing they might just use it to win and build up brand image. "Win on Sunday, sell on Monday"
Thomas_633_Mk2@reddit
I'm sure it stands for something but I can't not see this new performance wing as the Tank Girlfriend, the Ora Girlfriend and the Great Wall Motors Girlfriend
kstetter@reddit (OP)
"Honey I bought the GWM GF Supercar because it was a valentines day gift for the both of us"
Thomas_633_Mk2@reddit
(She is a coeliac and therefore loves it)
costafilh0@reddit
V8?
Instantly approved.