What are your thoughts on this female Avelo captain who was fired?
Posted by usernametaken78523@reddit | flying | View on Reddit | 177 comments
https://www.paddleyourownkanoo.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/04/gov.uscourts.ctd_.170415.1.0.pdf
I read the entire thing. Didn't know it was that bad at Avelo. Thoughts?
scarletpimpernel22@reddit
Not gonna pass judgement until seeing both sides of it play out, but firing her days after she reported to the FAA about unsafe practices is some timing...
So like am I gonna be able to watch this or what
Ornery_Ads@reddit
I'm in trucking (no pilot's license), but in trying to hire drivers, I've had two occasions where people tried to make "whistleblower" type claims after firing them.
1) I had a contract lane that was ~500 miles per day. If you just sit down and roll, that's about 9-10 hours of driving. Add about 2 hours for dropping and hooking the trailers, and it's a solid 11-12 hour work day.
I brought an applicant on it for a working interview (paid), but he drove slowly and stopped multiple times for food/bathroom breaks. We were on track to make the 11-12 hour day into a 16-17 hour day. Which would be well over the max allowable HOS. At the turnaround point, I took over driving and drove back non-stop to not violate hos.
He seemed to be a safe enough driver despite being slow, so I offered him the job on and set him up on a much shorter ~250 mile run for his first day alone. 11 hours after he left the yard, he called me, saying he's at a truck stop 50 miles away and can't drive anymore because he's out of hours. I pull up the ELD remotely and see that he's logged 6 drive hours and 5 on dury hours. There is a limit of 11 driving hours/day...but you get 14 hours to do those 11 drive hours.
I told him he still has 3 hours left on the clock and can easily do 50 miles over 3 hours. Nope. He refused to drive any more that day.
I took an Uber out to him and drove the truck back. On the way back, I asked what took him so long. This 250 mile run is easily under 6 hours every day. He didn't have any explanation, just "it takes however long it takes." I told him that if he can't do it under 8 hours the next day, he shouldn't even come in.
He didn't come in the next day.
He applied for unemployment, which was denied because he didn't even come close to qualifying (didn't work for me long enough). I also received a nastygram letter from a local employment law attorney saying they are preparing to sue me for wrongful termination by retaliating against him after attempting to coerce him into working in excess of hos and while fatigued. For the low price of just $25,000, they will settle the case without even going to court. I spoke to an attorney and was advised to preserve all documentation I have, but otherwise, just ignore the letter and see if they do actually sue.
They never did.
2) I did the same 500 mile route with another applicant, and he did pretty well with no delays. I offered him the 250 or the 500 mile option, and he says he wants the 500. No problem.
There's 3 trucks in my yard that he is licensed for, so I tell him he can pick whichever one he wants. He picks and the next day, he's off.
5 hours later, I get a call from a DOT inspector (which is very unusual). My driver was given a bypass signal for a weigh station, but pulled in anyway. He was again bypassed to return to the highway, but instead went to the stationary scale. He was given the green to return to the highway, but instead stopped and asked to be put out of service... because he doesn't have a seat or seatbelt...
Sure enough, there is no seat or seatbelt... on the passenger side. The truck was factory ordered with a tool box where the seat would otherwise be.
A passenger seat is not required... unless you have a passenger.
At the end of the day, I didn't mention that the DOT called, I just asked if he liked the truck and told him he can switch if he wants a different truck (the one he picked is the only one I have without a passenger seat).
Nope, he's happy with the truck he picked.
The next day, I get another call from the same DOT officer at the same weigh station.
Again, bypass, bypass, green, but stopped and asked to be put oos... this time, after leaving the yard, he went and picked up his girlfriend so that he had a passenger.
The officer went through the list of things he could site the company for, unauthorized passenger, no seat, etc but choose not to because he knows what's going on. He did, however, say the driver can't leave with her in the truck.
I had to drive out in my car and have him drive my car back, then do the rest of the run in the truck myself.
Obviously, he didn't have a job the next day... and he applied for unemployment, but it was denied.
I never heard from an employment lawyer about him, but it wouldn't surprise me if he tried.
All that to say, I fully respect people who stand up for the right thing... but I need proof before I believe most of it.
Carlito_2112@reddit
It sounds like the first person you hired no longer works for you due to incompetence and job abandonment. The second......I'm not exactly sure what that person was thinking. Either way, from what you say, there was a legitimate reason to let them go.
The captain on the other hand: among other things, she was more experienced than the training and line check captains.....training and line check captains who consistently provided incorrect and potentially very unsafe training information. She refused to fly aircraft that were clearly not safe to fly. She flew with another captain that was reckless. She reported all of that, as required by the FAA, and was punished for it.
The two situations are not the same.
AcePilot01@reddit
Um, expecting them to sit and drive straight for 9 hours, without a break, get fucked bro. He prob didn't sue because it was less documented or he just didn't have the money to, but that's DEF unrealistic. SURE you can do it when you make the big bucks owning it, but not when you just pay x an hour etc.
AnonymousDasani@reddit
9-10 hours of driving + 2 hours for trailer = 11-12 hour work day to be completed within 14 hours…thus leaving 2-3 hours for breaks. Which wowowow adds up exactly to a 1 hour lunch and 4 15 min breaks… maybe even more breaks if they have the extra hour. So maybe you’re the one that needs to learn math and reading 🙄
HbrewHammrx2@reddit
“Two Avelo instructors told Ms. Duffy and other pilots that wing anti-ice is never required and never used.”
This is just the beginning of the rabbit hole. After reading this complaint, I will never let anyone I know fly with that airline.
IsThatSo224@reddit
It’s a lawsuit from a former employer and a law firm trying to get money from a company. The employee’s name may be the only accurate fact in there.
Turbo_Normalized@reddit
You're being downvoted for an objectively correct statement. It's a lawsuit and the document is only one side of the story. Might all be true, might all be false. We don't know.
EpiphanyTwisted@reddit
Maybe because everyone already knows that so it's irrelevant?
DVs are for irrelevant statements, not nonfactual ones.
Turbo_Normalized@reddit
Of course it's relevant. The OP literally asked "what are your thoughts" which is a totally open-ended question. All thoughts are therefore relevant answers to the question. People downvoted him because they didn't like his answer, not because it was irrelevant.
nbd9000@reddit
not the first time ive heard this from 737 pilots. when i flew the 73 the chief pilot believed this, and in conversation with a delta pilot he made the same claim. it is 100% false, btw. plane definitely takes ice.
NotASwinger69@reddit
I have used the wind AI maybe once a winter. And I fly all day every day multiple legs in the 737
nbd9000@reddit
if you want i can send you a picture of ice developing aft of the leading edge of a 73 i was commuting on because the guy flying it didnt think it was possible. he changed his thoughts once he saw the pic. frankly, you dont know whats going on back there and for the 2% penalty its not worth the risk.
i used to have a pic of the time i flew right seat for the previously mentioned chief pilot who didnt want to run it either. we put close to 2 inches of ice on that leading edge that simply didnt need to be there. this "i dont need it" logic is stupid and at some point will get someone killed, if it hasnt already.
intrusive0thoughts@reddit
Yeah slip in an “almost” never required and “almost” never used and then it becomes a reasonable statement
DatSexyDude@reddit
I flew the 73 for a year and never turned on the wings…
Busy_Comedian_8165@reddit
I find this surprising. In a year of flying you didn't once see any ice build up on the wiper blades?
Mikey_MiG@reddit
The 737 FCOM and airline policy (at least ones I’m aware of) do not mandate you turn on wing anti-ice, even with ice buildup on the wipers. It says you can use the wipers to make a determination if the amount of ice accumulation is enough to require the use of wing anti-ice.
Even then, it says to primarily use it as a de-icer, and that it should not be run continuously as an anti-icer unless you are flying for extended periods in moderate or severe icing.
Busy_Comedian_8165@reddit
Yes. But the wipers are generally the first indication of wing ice, as you say. It's not easy to identity wing ice from the cockpit but once you know what you're looking for It's fairly obvious. I'd say 50% of the time I've got any wiper build up i also have ice on the wings
Flimsy-Ad-858@reddit
Yeah I flew it for five years and I think I used it twice
Mikey_MiG@reddit
Nearly 4 years and never used it. If the instructors were speaking broadly about anti-ice usage then that doesn’t seem like a very big deal IMO. If they were teaching that you never use it even in heavier icing conditions, that would obviously be a problem.
legitSTINKYPINKY@reddit
I’ve flown with so many pilots who hate turning on A/I
hawker1172@reddit
Does the AICE personally hurt them? Is it scary?
doctor--whom@reddit
Other than making descents slightly shallower or perhaps some STARs impossible I really can't imagine why. Its trivial to just say you'll be high on the arrival anyway.
Mimshot@reddit
Having no jet experience… why does anti ice make your decent shallower?
doctor--whom@reddit
Switching on either wing or engine anti-ice will cause the engines to idle at a higher n1%, due to the additional hot bleed air required for the anti-ice systems, in effect increasing thrust.
This means your idle descent, is shallower for a given speed, or needs to be done at a higher airspeed for a given angle.
frijoles84@reddit
Are you allowed to use speed brakes? Seems to be a good idea at that time.
I also don’t know shit about regional jets or anything airbus
hawker1172@reddit
Yes, it’s no big deal. Some people are just weird.
frijoles84@reddit
Boeing for sure. Idle/boards and yeet that thing down, and it’s not even that bumpy. I miss DoD days where you’d go idle/boards/gear and dive. I just have zero experience in anything a regional flies or airbus. Nothing against airbus at all, they make a good plane.
DerFlieger@reddit
The leading edge panels are heated by engine bleed air, so when the system is running, the engines idle at a higher power setting to ensure there’s enough bleed air going into the ducts.
Ok-Money2811@reddit
I hate not getting test pilot pay to see if a redesigned wing will work a lot more.
YugeWaterBottle@reddit
Never met a test pilot who makes as much as a legacy captain.
dillon_biz@reddit
All the test pilots I know at the Legacy I used to work at were all former Navy/Marines/AF test pilots who live for that shit.
YugeWaterBottle@reddit
Exactly. Because test pilot jobs don't pay all that much considering the risk factor.
zangler@reddit
WTF...and why?
BigBadPanda@reddit
I haven’t used wing AI on the 737 in over two years. It’s used more like boots to “de ice”, rather than an “anti ice.” I only use it for extended moderate ice, but not for brief encounters. You should see how much of the wing is actually heated. The outboard slat and inboard of the wing don’t heat at all. Using wing AI changes the SMYD (stall computer) and increases min speed and min maneuvering speeds for the rest of the flight. The instructor probably worded it in a hyperbolic way.
Negative_Swan_9459@reddit
There’s more to this sorry for sure. Avelo is likely a s bag operation at its core but anyone who has spent time in training and witnessed someone getting the boot will notice some patterns here.
k12pcb@reddit
Agreed.
Mundane-Reality-7770@reddit
Allegedly
skylaneguy@reddit
Heavy on allegedly.
Granite_burner@reddit
As one experienced with computer forensics and digital discovery, I would love to know what discovery motions for internal emails and files will find. Not familiar with rules for procedure and evidence but I hope the plaintiff’s team aggressively pursues what is possible in that area.
jigsawsecurity@reddit
I do forensics for my day job and I can tell you that they will absolutely do discovery on all parties and document findings. They also look at the whole person concept to understand if this is a habitual issue of the plaintiff as well as the named defendants. Add in e-discovery and witness statements and things get interesting. One thing companies do to prevent discovery is only keep email for short periods, same with call data, etc, etc. this is where the plaintiff has to preserve anything that helps the case and admit it into evidence. It’s just just about the evidence but depositions and sworn statements.
It won’t take long to figure out if there’s meat on the bone or if the wolves are gonna starve.
One-Possibility-2351@reddit
Third rate pilot working for a third rate airline. Nothing to see here.
YugeWaterBottle@reddit
I don't need to read it to know that there's always more to the story than meets the eye.
c402c@reddit
Idk. Boys club gonna boys club. I’m inclined to believe her.
prex10@reddit
Funny you get downvoted for saying it. Anyone at UA that asked more than two questions why there was a shake up between San Francisco and Denver's chief pilots last year will understand that's the reason. They were openly harassing female staff in ops at SFO.
cincocerodos@reddit
There’s a little truth to both sides but the bitter “if I was a woman I’d have been hired!” brigade is definitely out in force.
skylaneguy@reddit
Who got downvoted?
prex10@reddit
The comment was -7 when I replied to it. I guess not anymore
skylaneguy@reddit
Looks like a swing and a miss on the boys club comment. She’s been fired from like 4 airlines with different wrongful termination lawsuits.
Reddit is always so eager to protect/defend the these clowns with zero information and without a shred of common sense.
This one had professional victim and using the female card written all over it.
0621Hertz@reddit
Usually I believe that but reading the other comment about her past history means I think we’re in a ESH situation.
Guysmiley777@reddit
Idk. I'm inclined to wait for the court to weigh the evidence from both sides of a case and make a ruling.
Rgray75@reddit
Through the grapevine she was also previously fired from Delta and Ryan Air and had lawsuits there as well.
Janoy_Cresva69@reddit
Agreed.
BigBadPanda@reddit
There is certainly more to this story. If she thought Avelo was truly unsafe, why would her husband still pursue employment with them? I’ve worked in 121 training departments, and have gone through training at 3 airlines. Instructors get stuff wrong. It’s not unique. There are appropriate and inappropriate ways to address an instructor who is wrong.
FriendlyDespot@reddit
I mean, there's "unsafe" and unsafe. "Unsafe" you can mitigate, and in this environment it might feel like it's shit worth dealing with if it gets you a job.
flying_penguin104@reddit
She was a known menace at the airline for her entire time there. She had more complaints against her than any CA in Avelo’s short history, despite her short time there. Avelo also wasn’t the only airline to fire her…
WholeTomatillo5537@reddit
So that means she should be fired when reporting a safety issue?
flying_penguin104@reddit
that’s not what she was fired for. If Avelo actually goes to court they’ll give their side of the story
WholeTomatillo5537@reddit
Did you read the paper attached? It's pretty clear what their side is.
triple111@reddit
Any more info?
Rgray75@reddit
FWIW, just providing information, this is the same captain.
https://www.pacermonitor.com/public/case/1770740/McCraw_v_Delta_Airlines,_Inc
https://www.ajc.com/business/delta-pilot-files-sex-discrimination-suit/5WNLrQvryDc4WAjrtg4xjP/
Also can't speak to the validity of it, but heard she was fired from Ryan Air also.
Also here's a video from her time in China. https://youtu.be/QLoAjx1RqS8?si=EPgug8qRSeTP55nh
usernametaken78523@reddit (OP)
Damn didn't know that existed lol. Serves Avelo right for hiring someone who got fired and filed lawsuits in the past, especially from Delta. Big liability right there.
Yet Avelo refuses to hire people with checkride failures and decides to hire her, Lol.
flying_penguin104@reddit
Yes. People are upset at Avelo for firing her, when really they should be upset for ever hiring her.
skylaneguy@reddit
A tale as old as time.
I love how all the Reddit clowns immediate jumped on the “protect female aviators” band wagon. I sniffed this one from a mile away and got downvoted 😂😂
“Boys club, shame on Avelo, blah blah blah”
flyingkea@reddit
As a woman in aviation I’m not a fan of some of those female only groups - there’s definitely a ‘woe is me’ attitude sometimes, or a weird attitude towards training - lots of “I haven’t gone first solo and I’m at 100 hours, should I be concerned?”
But at the same time I have been subjected to some absolutely appalling treatment by employers and fellow coworkers. One example: I had to fly an aircraft to get maintenance at another aerodrome, then catch the train back. Male coworker had done it the previous week, and handed over the ticket stub and got reimbursed. When I do it, I hand over the literal receipt only to be told “It’s the wrong type of receipt and I’ll get nothing.” When I protest I get the CFI (Chief Flight Instructor) standing over me, screaming at me about how that’s not acceptable.
Male coworkers would literally erase my name off bookings with my students and rewrite my name next to the TIFs. I lost all those students. When I protested I was told that they had to prioritise promoting those guys to B-Cats. Or the more junior guys to get them off green status. (not US system)
Lots of expectations of unpaid labour. Got made redundant from that job, even though there were more recent employees doing exact same thing. I was only woman on the flight line.
That was also the job where I had coworkers show me gory images - photos of someone who’d been sucked in by a jet engine. Or rather - the aftermath. And I knew I could let them know it bothered me. We had a female admin assistant, and they worked out what bothered her, and kept doing it. Or walking in from lunch one time, and they were talking about “breasts” - things like how the prefect size that they could hold in their hands etc. Of course they were talking about chicken beasts 😒
All of that was at my first aviation job. My current place is overall pretty good - it finally feels like most of my coworkers have grown up lol. It’s a large airline, and a lot of the people I fly with have partners, and kids, and are here to do the job and go home again safely at the end of the day. But it was a long painful road to get here, and it really didn’t need to be.
Turbo_Normalized@reddit
How much of that was specifically because you're a woman vs. typical bullshit that men also often get subjected to?
flyingkea@reddit
Hard to say, cos it ain’t exactly like people are going to admit to being openly sexist. But I’d say a decent proportion.
triple111@reddit
For every “long and painful road” incident there is someone else that got an unbelievable benefit that you would never see had they not been a girl. I have had countless female students and FOs who have told me about opportunities flying twins, jets, ww2 warbirds etc, that no guy would be offered. Out of a furloughed class of 23 the only person to get a legacy job with no PIC and less than 1000 turbine was an attractive blond girl. This isn’t the 90s anymore, people won’t be listening to this bullshit anymore about hard roads anymore it’s a gilded path
skylaneguy@reddit
I’ve seen this in the sims at an airline as well. More redo attempts, softer standards, all because she’s cute and bubbly.
Or DPEs allowing do overs on the power off 180 because the applicant is a young attractive women.
It’s not all that surprising though when you consider that most of the people in examining positions are old men.
Sky is blue, rice is white, shit stinks. OBVIOUS!
Rightrudder74@reddit
I saw 3 dudes get the boot after two MV attempts and a girl get 4 attempts with extra sims. Red screened it twice. And got through.
I’ve also seen badass girl captains who hate “all girl crew” IG’s.
I’ve seen pax had trash to girl Capt and tell them to throw it away thinking they’re FA’s
It’s a very edgy double edged sword
GARGLE_MY_GOLF_BALLS@reddit
have some empathy, lol. not speaking about this suit, but just in general - this field is extremely chuddy, and that makes it very isolating for pilots who don't get along with those chud types.
skylaneguy@reddit
That FB group shows an appalling level of general incompetence in addition to an obvious hatred for men. It’s disgusting and totally inexcusable.
If there was an equivalent all male group with a similar level of content it would be immediately reported to the public, the airlines, and everyone in that group would be blacklisted from ever getting a job.
A great example of the double standard and absolute proof that there IS a “club” and an advantage for a certain gender… and the beneficiaries are women.
Paranoma@reddit
It’s not the same name.
Rgray75@reddit
She got married, hence name change. I can assure you, its the same person.
Paranoma@reddit
Wow that’s crazy then!
Rgray75@reddit
Here in avelo uniform/media https://www.instagram.com/p/C8FFs6cMWUB/?igsh=MWE0ZjVheG9sYnlyMw==
skylaneguy@reddit
The hot to crazy scale goes bonkers yet again!
fighting_gopher@reddit
I thought her last name was Duffy?
nsfwdrunk@reddit
Sorry but wasn’t the person fired from avelo named Duffy not McCraw?
slay1224@reddit
Saw a name in the lawsuit that I hadn’t thought about in a long time. Avelo has got themselves a grade A d-bag as head of flight ops. Nice to see he’s running another airline right into the ground.
Ok-Money2811@reddit
Always found it amazing in the decades of doing this line of work how often that you run into those you’ve crossed paths with screwing something up and their running another airline into the ground. Seems to be a trend
Grumbles19312@reddit
Unfortunately that’s how it works in a lot of industries. People fail their way upwards.
skylaneguy@reddit
They call that gaining “experience.”
0621Hertz@reddit
“What are your qualifications?”
“I got fired.”
“You’re hired!”
GARGLE_MY_GOLF_BALLS@reddit
(only in certain accents where fired and hired are two syllables)
prex10@reddit
Where else has this guy been?
Irrelevance351@reddit
According to his LinkedIn, he was at ExpressJet Airlines for almost sixteen years, and he has experience dating back to 1985.
landcruiser33@reddit
Can you say who it is or their initials? There were some serious pieces of shit at XJT.
slay1224@reddit
SH: Mr. Itdoesn’tmatterhowwegothere
John_EightThirtyTwo@reddit
Sorry, is that "go there" or "got here"?
slay1224@reddit
Got here. It’s a quote from an email he sent all the pilots of XJT when the airline was imploding.
Irrelevance351@reddit
It's in the document.
slay1224@reddit
People Express & ASA/ExpressJet (AKA SureJet)
disfannj@reddit
guy was a real piece of shit
txoa@reddit
slicked back hair, white bathing suit, sloppy steaks, white couch
sorry
skyHawk3613@reddit
What other airline is working at now?
Theytookmyarcher@reddit
These were the dudes running flights to the torture prison until they got pushback on it on the local news.
andrewrbat@reddit
Karlene Pettit has entered the chat
https://replica.seattletimes.com/popovers/dynamic_article_popover.aspx?artguid=fd6d4e89-52b5-4a68-bea8-34b674f9b2ad
skylaneguy@reddit
That’s a great example of an actual wrongful termination. This Avelo pilot is a nut job grifter using the female card to file yet ANOTHER wrongful termination lawsuit.
Gives a terrible name to all the real female aviators that actually take the job seriously.
Rightrudder74@reddit
EDV. Is that the regional where a girl flipped a CRJ in YYZ?
skylaneguy@reddit
Yes
andrewrbat@reddit
I didn’t know the veracity of the avelo case but it had some of the same ring to it, which is why it reminded me. The Karlene Pettit thing is not good.
Vee-One-Rotate@reddit
I must have missed the part where Avelo hired her to be a ground and sim instructor.
c402c@reddit
For those saying they won’t read all that, it took me about 90 seconds to read the meat of it on the first few pages
Background_Vast_4215@reddit
Same here
usernametaken78523@reddit (OP)
Tik tok brain these days
emmie-claire@reddit
I wish but even ten years ago half the people in any given reddit thread had clearly not clicked on the article.
MiniTab@reddit
Avelo Airlines Captain Sues for Retaliation After Reporting Cockpit Safety Violations — FAA Substantiates Her Complaints A federal lawsuit filed April 23, 2026 in the District of Connecticut (Duffy v. Avelo Airlines, Case 3:26-cv-00634) details a pattern of alleged retaliation and sex discrimination against the airline’s only female captain.
Background Kimberly Duffy, a Boeing 737 captain with thousands of hours of experience including prior Air Force service, was hired by Avelo Airlines in September 2023 to fly out of Tweed-New Haven Airport (HVN). She was the airline’s only female captain for her entire tenure.
It started on day one of training Duffy flagged multiple instructor errors during initial training — incorrect wing anti-ice guidance, a wrong schematic in the Quick Reference Handbook, and incorrect ILS procedure instruction. The instructors were wrong; Avelo’s own FAA-approved manuals backed her up. Instead of fixing the training deficiencies, Avelo issued her a written performance notice and pulled her from her training cohort for six weeks — docking her pay in the process. The male instructors who yelled at her in the hallway loudly enough to disrupt other classrooms faced no discipline.
The flight from hell — February 19, 2025 This is where it gets serious. Duffy was paired as First Officer under Captain David Manopla on Flight 465, HVN to Tampa. She documented approximately eleven separate FAA violations on a single flight:
• Failed to conduct required pre-flight, route, and emergency briefings
• Removed hands from thrust levers during the takeoff roll (“stirred the stick like a fighter pilot”)
• Didn’t notice the autothrottle had bled the aircraft to 174 knots when it should have been at 200 knots
• Refused to follow flight director guidance or engage autopilot while in IMC (instrument conditions) — creating risk of spatial disorientation and CFIT
• At cruise above FL350, yanked the throttles back abruptly instead of using speed brakes or FMC — risked dual engine flameout or compressor stall
• Made a false radio call on the ARINC dispatcher frequency suggesting Duffy was incapacitated — apparently to intimidate her and discredit her with dispatch. She was then pulled from the return flight.
• Reduced fuel reserves below FAA minimums without authorization
• Removed waypoints from the FMS without ATC coordination, then denied doing it
• Failed to correctly operate the weather radar in heavy precipitation
• When ATC ordered a go-around (caused by his own non-compliance with assigned speeds), failed to select TOGA thrust — risking runway incursion, stall, or CFIT
• Shut down the wrong engine during taxi-in. When Duffy pointed it out, he shouted profanity at her.
Multiple first officers had previously complained about Manopla. At least one reported him directly to the Chief Pilot and VP of Operations. Avelo was aware he had a prior altitude violation in RVSM airspace. He was still flying.
The safety reports and the firing At 4:30 a.m. on February 20, Duffy filed a formal five-page safety report through Avelo’s Vistair system — which automatically triggers mandatory FAA disclosure. Two days later she filed a second report about another captain’s unsafe line training practices. Seven days after the Vistair filing, she was terminated. The stated reason: she allegedly “berated” a ground crew member during a pushback. No investigation was conducted before the termination call. Avelo couldn’t consistently state the correct date the incident supposedly occurred, at one point citing a date when she wasn’t even working. The subject matter — wingtip clearance during pushback — is literally the captain’s safety responsibility. Chief Pilot Bob Lieser’s explanation for the termination included that Duffy “has a superior attitude.”
Post-termination retaliation Avelo initially offered to record her separation as a resignation to protect her FAA Pilot Records Database (PRD) entry. She accepted. After she filed whistleblower complaints with the FAA and OSHA, Avelo reversed course and marked her PRD as “terminated not for pilot performance” — a flag that appears on every background check and is effectively an industry blacklist. Head of Flight Operations Scott Hall then sent an all-crew message calling her FAA complaint “mudslinging” and “made up stories,” and asked employees to contact Avelo leadership before speaking with FAA investigators. That message is attached to the complaint as Exhibit A. Avelo also quietly killed a conditional employment offer it had previously extended to her husband.
The FAA didn’t agree with Scott Hall Despite Hall’s memo, the FAA investigated and substantiated violations. In March 2026, the FAA proposed $65,000 in fines against Avelo related to failures in mandatory drug and alcohol testing of safety-sensitive employees.
The sex discrimination picture
• A male captain who physically struck a female flight attendant was not terminated. He was later promoted to line training captain.
• A male captain who had a heated argument with gate agents faced no discipline and was promoted.
• Manopla — with his documented history of unsafe flying and prior complaints — was not terminated.
• Duffy was repeatedly passed over for promotions (Line Training Captain, FOQA Gatekeeper, Sim Instructor). Each time, a man was selected.
• Training supervisor Captain Kilgore admitted to Duffy that male pilots felt they needed to “put her in her place,” and that what annoyed them was her reciting the emergency briefing from memory. He also admitted to distributing misogynistic “Red Pill” content to male pilots and flight attendants.
• In 2023, another female Avelo pilot complained that a male captain had yelled “Shut up, Bitch” at her in the cockpit and physically grabbed her controls while she was flying. She was grounded; he kept flying. She resigned with two weeks’ notice. Avelo called her before the two weeks were up and fired her anyway — then marked her PRD as terminated, not resigned.
The lawsuit Filed April 23, 2026. Two counts: retaliation under Connecticut General Statutes § 31-51q, and sex discrimination under Title VII. Relief sought includes back pay, reinstatement, punitive damages, correction of her PRD record, and a jury trial. The complaint was filed by attorney Todd Steigman of Madsen, Prestley & Parenteau in Hartford.
Source: U.S. District Court, District of Connecticut, Case 3:26-cv-00634-SVN, Complaint filed 04/23/2026
YugeWaterBottle@reddit
Bro posted a low effort AI "summary" that is longer than the docket.
MiniTab@reddit
Then post your own and quit whining. And BTW, the original is 36 pages.
YugeWaterBottle@reddit
Who's whining? I'm just pointing out your AI brain rot.
You think anyone needs you to post an AI summary? Lmao
SpeedbirdTK1@reddit
It’s genuinely baffling to me when people post AI summaries in threads like they’re contributing anything meaningful to the discussion
AcePilot01@reddit
Not the one who did it, but going to sing on the irony point here and say, does arguing about it do the same? You people pretend like the police here on that same account as if it matters? lmfao read it or not, and move on? Shit applies to BOTH sides frankly lol. And YES i see the slight irony in pointing it out here too.
YugeWaterBottle@reddit
What do you mean, you people?
slimjim346826@reddit
It’s okay bud, I love Claude too
I’m scared of big words and accidentally forming a unique thought
Irrelevance351@reddit
It didn't even take that long to get the gist of what the document was saying. Good lord some of these people who don't have the attention span to read this are screwed.
sprulz@reddit
Tung Tung Tung Sahur explained my AOM to me
Flimsy-Ad-858@reddit
Reading this comment made me want to end myself, thanks
T-1A_pilot@reddit
Sorry, I couldn't read your whole comment, can you sum it up?
(Kidding of course)
Ornery_Ads@reddit
Why use many word when few word do trick?
hoppertn@reddit
Avelo = Meany
Big_Assignment5949@reddit
Wait til they get a real SOP and manual.
Such-Entrepreneur663@reddit
You’re supposed to read those?
Big_Assignment5949@reddit
Just get an AI summary. "Nice procedures! You guys clearly value safety, which is really important. The part about circling procedures was great. It also called out how important it is to be mindful of parallel runway operations at airports like SFO, MDW, and DCA. The crash last year shows how important this is"
Close enough.
Such-Entrepreneur663@reddit
What more would I possibly need to know?
AcePilot01@reddit
And it was mostly nonsense. Dude sounds like the reporter had a point, 9 or 10 straight hours? barely making it, like he said, that means no bathroom, no lunch, no freaking break. every day. Ornery can get fucked tbh. He prob deserved the report. And the second one, while more legit, all it shows is he abides but the absolute BARE min of regs, instead of just having a damn seat belt on the other seat... if it never had the seat, why did they even put one in then?
And people bring their spouses on those all the time, pets etc. So trucker commenter sounds like a miserable place to work frankly.
night_flight3131@reddit
I looked at it and thought "ok that's long" and then read almost all of it word for word because it's long but it sure is interesting. In the wrong way, but still interesting
Flimsy-Ad-858@reddit
The link seems to be dead. Is there another?
usernametaken78523@reddit (OP)
Still works for me. Try a different browser or something.
FriendlyDespot@reddit
I skipped through it and ended up on a page with an allegation that Avelo criticised an FA for using "too many gloves" when unclogging a lav. I hope this goes to trial so we can all share in this FA's trauma.
Mundane-Reality-7770@reddit
Cliff notes version?
MiniTab@reddit
AI is nice for summarizing these. This is from Claude:
Avelo Airlines Captain Sues for Retaliation After Reporting Cockpit Safety Violations — FAA Substantiates Her Complaints A federal lawsuit filed April 23, 2026 in the District of Connecticut (Duffy v. Avelo Airlines, Case 3:26-cv-00634) details a pattern of alleged retaliation and sex discrimination against the airline’s only female captain.
Background Kimberly Duffy, a Boeing 737 captain with thousands of hours of experience including prior Air Force service, was hired by Avelo Airlines in September 2023 to fly out of Tweed-New Haven Airport (HVN). She was the airline’s only female captain for her entire tenure.
It started on day one of training Duffy flagged multiple instructor errors during initial training — incorrect wing anti-ice guidance, a wrong schematic in the Quick Reference Handbook, and incorrect ILS procedure instruction. The instructors were wrong; Avelo’s own FAA-approved manuals backed her up. Instead of fixing the training deficiencies, Avelo issued her a written performance notice and pulled her from her training cohort for six weeks — docking her pay in the process. The male instructors who yelled at her in the hallway loudly enough to disrupt other classrooms faced no discipline.
Duffy was paired as First Officer under Captain David Manopla on Flight 465, HVN to Tampa. She documented approximately eleven separate FAA violations on a single flight: • Failed to conduct required pre-flight, route, and emergency briefings • Removed hands from thrust levers during the takeoff roll (“stirred the stick like a fighter pilot”) • Didn’t notice the autothrottle had bled the aircraft to 174 knots when it should have been at 200 knots • Refused to follow flight director guidance or engage autopilot while in IMC (instrument conditions) — creating risk of spatial disorientation and CFIT • At cruise above FL350, yanked the throttles back abruptly instead of using speed brakes or FMC — risked dual engine flameout or compressor stall • Made a false radio call on the ARINC dispatcher frequency suggesting Duffy was incapacitated — apparently to intimidate her and discredit her with dispatch. She was then pulled from the return flight. • Reduced fuel reserves below FAA minimums without authorization • Removed waypoints from the FMS without ATC coordination, then denied doing it • Failed to correctly operate the weather radar in heavy precipitation • When ATC ordered a go-around (caused by his own non-compliance with assigned speeds), failed to select TOGA thrust — risking runway incursion, stall, or CFIT • Shut down the wrong engine during taxi-in. When Duffy pointed it out, he shouted profanity at her. Multiple first officers had previously complained about Manopla. At least one reported him directly to the Chief Pilot and VP of Operations. Avelo was aware he had a prior altitude violation in RVSM airspace. He was still flying.
The safety reports and the firing At 4:30 a.m. on February 20, Duffy filed a formal five-page safety report through Avelo’s Vistair system — which automatically triggers mandatory FAA disclosure. Two days later she filed a second report about another captain’s unsafe line training practices. Seven days after the Vistair filing, she was terminated. The stated reason: she allegedly “berated” a ground crew member during a pushback. No investigation was conducted before the termination call. Avelo couldn’t consistently state the correct date the incident supposedly occurred, at one point citing a date when she wasn’t even working. The subject matter — wingtip clearance during pushback — is literally the captain’s safety responsibility. Chief Pilot Bob Lieser’s explanation for the termination included that Duffy “has a superior attitude.”
Post-termination retaliation Avelo initially offered to record her separation as a resignation to protect her FAA Pilot Records Database (PRD) entry. She accepted. After she filed whistleblower complaints with the FAA and OSHA, Avelo reversed course and marked her PRD as “terminated not for pilot performance” — a flag that appears on every background check and is effectively an industry blacklist. Head of Flight Operations Scott Hall then sent an all-crew message calling her FAA complaint “mudslinging” and “made up stories,” and asked employees to contact Avelo leadership before speaking with FAA investigators. That message is attached to the complaint as Exhibit A. Avelo also quietly killed a conditional employment offer it had previously extended to her husband.
The FAA didn’t agree with Scott Hall Despite Hall’s memo, the FAA investigated and substantiated violations. In March 2026, the FAA proposed $65,000 in fines against Avelo related to failures in mandatory drug and alcohol testing of safety-sensitive employees.
The sex discrimination picture • A male captain who physically struck a female flight attendant was not terminated. He was later promoted to line training captain. • A male captain who had a heated argument with gate agents faced no discipline and was promoted. • Manopla — with his documented history of unsafe flying and prior complaints — was not terminated. • Duffy was repeatedly passed over for promotions (Line Training Captain, FOQA Gatekeeper, Sim Instructor). Each time, a man was selected. • Training supervisor Captain Kilgore admitted to Duffy that male pilots felt they needed to “put her in her place,” and that what annoyed them was her reciting the emergency briefing from memory. He also admitted to distributing misogynistic “Red Pill” content to male pilots and flight attendants. • In 2023, another female Avelo pilot complained that a male captain had yelled “Shut up, Bitch” at her in the cockpit and physically grabbed her controls while she was flying. She was grounded; he kept flying. She resigned with two weeks’ notice. Avelo called her before the two weeks were up and fired her anyway — then marked her PRD as terminated, not resigned.
The lawsuit Filed April 23, 2026. Two counts: retaliation under Connecticut General Statutes § 31-51q, and sex discrimination under Title VII. Relief sought includes back pay, reinstatement, punitive damages, correction of her PRD record, and a jury trial. The complaint was filed by attorney Todd Steigman of Madsen, Prestley & Parenteau in Hartford.
Source: U.S. District Court, District of Connecticut, Case 3:26-cv-00634-SVN, Complaint filed 04/23/2026
Entire-Oil9595@reddit
How unusual is it for a carrier this size to have no female pilots?
Brilliant-Adagio2047@reddit
Btw after this she tried the Chief Pilot position at Tropic Ocean Airways and was ousted by all the pilots for being confrontational , trying to make pilots fly into storms with pax, and even calling out pilots and even interviewee’s, terrorist cause they were Jewish! She lasted 3 months 😂
554TangoAlpha@reddit
I'm not reading all that, I will say its very hard to get fired at a US airline even non union.
leftrightrudderstick@reddit
Stop drinking the kool aid and publicly call out the company for being unsafe. Report back with difficulty getting fired.
554TangoAlpha@reddit
She literally got fired and sued delta same thing. Kinda a pattern here
HbrewHammrx2@reddit
Then you should probably read this complaint before making that claim. This has happened at numerous US airlines but even this case is very egregious.
554TangoAlpha@reddit
I did, she’s also done this exact thing before at Delta.
Imaginary_Amoeba3461@reddit
A one sided legal document like this isn’t objective fact.
Maybe it’s all true, but it’s not the best source either way.
ClearedInHot@reddit
I'll reserve judgment until both sides have their day in court.
Bunslow@reddit
I'm sorry sir, but calm and reasonable takes on reddit are forbidden per federal regulations
Mundane-Reality-7770@reddit
Exactly. As of right now, these are allegations and nothing more.
reidmrdotcom@reddit
Here's my TLDR: complainant alleges that Avelo engaged in retaliatory practices and lists out numerous instances of it. For me, what is most damning are the quotes that the men there felt they had to "put [her] in [her] place" because she "has to be so perfect all the time". From her side, it seems they couldn't take feedback professionally even when they were clearly and egregiously wrong. She also cites other discrimination examples that happened to other female pilots and where the company goes scorched earth to try prevent them from being hired elsewhere, along with egregious behavior by male pilots that went without reprimand.
Personally, based one what I am reading along with comments here, I'd think the company will either settle this (which seems smarter, but unlikely based on how vindictive they seem), or that she will win pretty big if it goes to trial (she seems to pretty clearly illustrate law breaking conduct).
skylaneguy@reddit
Yea… maybe you should take a look at the other wrongful termination lawsuits she’s been a part of.
She’s only been fired 4 times, being forced to fly overseas, then to come back here only to do it again.
Reddits inability to cut through the BS and see things for what they are will always astound me.
This chick is clearly a rotten egg.
reidmrdotcom@reddit
Any idea how the other ones turned out for her?
skylaneguy@reddit
Someone else posted them in this comment section. You can read them for yourself.
pvdas@reddit
Surely this can't be true
flying_penguin104@reddit
It might’ve been true at the time. The airline was only a year or two old when she was hired if I remember right. They’ve got several female CAs now.
Punkrawk78@reddit
And don’t call me Shirley!
Irrelevance351@reddit
Absolutely disgraceful conduct from Avelo if what is stated in this document is the absolute truth.
0621Hertz@reddit
Avelo never came off to me as a great company.
They, allowed their aircraft to be used for deportation flights. Agree with that situation or not that is HORRIBLE metrics.
They announced layoffs for pilots while simultaneously said they are ordering new E-190 jets.
Their recruitment department has said they are only hiring people with ZERO FAA checkrides ever.
To anyone that knows about the FAA checkride system, you are closing off a lot of great pilots that way. It’s just a lazy way to filter applicants.
Urrolnis@reddit
I'm not pro-anything related to current US immigration policy or practice, but a LOT of airlines do deportation flights. A few of the ACMI carriers do 'em similar to what Avelo is doing, and most of the majors will do self-deportations and even deportations with the deportee in custody, just like flights with prisoners aboard.
Avelo's only big unique quality here was running deportation flights to El Salvador to the CECOT camp, but Avelo no longer does these.
0621Hertz@reddit
I understand they don’t do it anymore, but you don’t have United/Delta/AA doing flights full of deportees to other countries solely for DOH missions.
The ACMIs don’t have the general population buying tickets. Kinda different.
It’s just bad metrics, even if it’s not done anymore.
Urrolnis@reddit
Yeah, I won't weep to see Avelo fail as a business. I just wanted to clarify that the deportation flights weren't inherently evil on their own. Nothing truly unique was occuring there. Just a company failing to carve out its niche hoping for a government contract.
They'll be out of business in a few years.
Several-Village5814@reddit
Zero FAA checkrides?
0621Hertz@reddit
Checkride fails my bad
Several-Village5814@reddit
Funny a crappy ULCC is that strict. Delta or United don't even do that.
0621Hertz@reddit
Exactly, it’s just a lazy way for HR to cut applications in half.
More_Than_I_Can_Chew@reddit
I don't understand why she didn't go the AIR21 route?
Or did she?
AIR21 Whistleblower Protection Program | Federal Aviation Administration https://share.google/EykXLq8btevLhei2V
fixedvving@reddit
I mean the allegations are pretty damning if true. I dont work there so no comment on facts
Woman or not those things arent ok Could there be more to the story? Yes and probably context we dont know
Are women sometimes treated differently in aviation? Sure yeah but thats just the reality of being in a highly gendered skedwed job. What about ladies in construction? Men in nursing? Etc.
rtv3685@reddit
I'm not convinced accepting the status quo is the best avenue to improvement.
fixedvving@reddit
Im not advocating for a status quo acceptance Im more saying if issues like anti ice are being cited, its seems atleast based on the article its more a training/saftey issue rather than gender harassment
Nothing gendered about telling people to not use wing anti ice lol
zangler@reddit
Holy crap your way of thinking is garbage my dude. Replace 'women' with 'insert any race but white' and those exact same statements cringe hard.
fixedvving@reddit
Saftey concerns are an issue? Nothing wrong with that
Pragmatic viewpoint? I dont see an issue coming at it with a practical approach. I dont support unfair treatment or anything like that all im saying is we dont have the full context on the sex/gender mistreatment based on the article
PlaneShenaniganz@reddit
Link is gone. Anyone have a mirror?
usernametaken78523@reddit (OP)
Still works for me. Try a different browser or something.
PlaneShenaniganz@reddit
Doesn't work on Firefox, Chrome or Safari
Kermit-de-frog1@reddit
She must have one hell of an insurance policy on her hubby if the place is so dangerous and she was still wanting him to work there 🤣
skylaneguy@reddit
She seems like a joy to fly with /s
I guess that’s why she’s working at Avelo after having “thousands of hours” on the 737…. Or was working at Avelo.
If she thought the place was as unsafe/disorganized as she claims then she should have left before she got out of the school house. Obviously, that wasn’t the case.
MJC136@reddit
Claude… summarize this for me.
The complaint is from Captain Kimberly Duffy against Avelo Airlines, filed April 23, 2026 in the District of Connecticut. She brings two claims: retaliation under Connecticut’s free-speech-in-the-workplace statute (Conn. Gen. Stat. § 31-51q) and sex discrimination under Title VII. The core story: Duffy was hired as a Boeing 737 captain at Avelo’s Tweed-New Haven base in September 2023 and was the airline’s only female captain. She alleges a pattern of speaking up about safety issues — incorrect training that deviated from FAA-approved procedures, refusing to fly an aircraft with an aileron trim defect, and flagging duty-time recording problems — and being met with hostility from Chief Pilot Bob Lieser rather than corrective action. The flashpoint was February 2025. On Feb 19, she flew as first officer with Captain David Manopla, who she alleges committed a long list of serious FAA violations during the flight: skipping required pre-flight briefings, taking his hands off the thrust levers during takeoff roll, refusing autopilot/flight director in instrument conditions, dropping fuel reserves below minimums, removing waypoints from the FMS without ATC clearance, shutting down the wrong engine during taxi, and making a false radio call suggesting she was incapacitated. She filed a formal Vistair safety report on Feb 20 that triggered mandatory FAA reporting, and another report on Feb 22 about a different male captain (Willy Lorenz). Avelo fired her on Feb 27 — citing an alleged ground-crew incident she says never happened and that they never investigated. Post-termination, she alleges Avelo coded her PRD record to effectively blacklist her despite a promise to record it as a resignation, declined to move forward with a conditional job offer to her husband, and Head of Flight Operations Scott Hall sent a company-wide email (attached as Exhibit A) calling her complaints “mudslinging” and “made up stories” while telling crew to talk to leadership before cooperating with FAA investigators. The complaint notes the FAA ultimately substantiated violations and proposed $65,000 in fines against Avelo in March 2026. The discrimination piece centers on a male training supervisor allegedly saying men needed to “put her in her place” and distributing “Red Pill” materials, plus male comparators (including one who struck a female flight attendant and was promoted) who weren’t disciplined for worse conduct. She’s seeking back pay, front pay or reinstatement, compensatory and punitive damages, and an injunction to fix her PRD entry. Worth noting: this is the plaintiff’s complaint, so it’s her allegations only — Avelo hasn’t answered yet. Want me to search for any news coverage or Avelo’s response?
Muted-Rhubarb2143@reddit
Women pilots and their hard on for malicious compliance never ends. I’ve seen the numbers, they are shocking (to anyone who doesn’t pay any attention to the obvious world around them).
old_flying_fart@reddit
Would you ever say 'men pilots?'
c402c@reddit
Some of the chillest/standard captains I’ve flown with were women. Can’t say I see what you’re seeing
denizen_1@reddit
It's a complaint. A lawyer wrote it to get passed a motion to dismiss and was as ... aggressive with the facts as ethics allows—or sometimes doesn't allow. There is probably another side to the story.
OnigiriEnthusiast@reddit
I ain't got any interest in reading legal filings
rFlyingTower@reddit
This is a copy of the original post body for posterity:
https://www.paddleyourownkanoo.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/04/gov.uscourts.ctd_.170415.1.0.pdf
I read the entire thing. Didn't know it was that bad at Avelo. Thoughts?
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