What's the furthest north you can go in the US that stays hot year round and conversely what's the furthest south you can go that has harsh winters?
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Icy_Consideration409@reddit
Harsh is subjective.
But Flagstaff, AZ is one of the snowiest cities in the U.S.
Frosty_Employment171@reddit
ln the mountains, yes?
sabot88@reddit
The city proper. Not even counting the mountains. About as snowy as Buffalo NY.
Also, there are 2 Interstates in the area (I-40, I-17). If you drive them in the winter in northern AZ, you're surrounded by deep snow and dense pine forests. Many visitors get surprised.
Frosty_Employment171@reddit
I must visit. I drove thru in the 1960s on Rte 66. I imagine there have been some changes.
molehunterz@reddit
Flagstaff is at a fairly high elevation, but most people don't consider it "in the mountains," I don't think.
Madreese@reddit
Arizonans do. We consider it a mountain city.
molehunterz@reddit
Really? When I lived there, people would often talk about going to Sedona or Flagstaff. They would also talk about going to the mountains. Never once heard anybody talk about Flagstaff as a mountain City?
I mean it's literally at the elevation of everything around it. It's like Laramie Wyoming has an elevation of 7100 ft. Not really a mountain City.
I mean if people want to think of it as a mountain city, they are certainly entitled. But I've been to Flagstaff several times, and through Flagstaff several times.. you drive up through the canyons coming from Phoenix to flagstaff, climbing up to that broad plateau that spans across a couple States...
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Madreese@reddit
When we talk about going to the mountains we are usually talking about the White Mountains along the rim. But we all know that Flagstaff is a mountain city. We mostly say it's up north, but we know it's in the mountains. I don't think about Sedona at all except as a tourist destination.
molehunterz@reddit
Yeah, my first comment wasn't super clear. People in Tucson talk about going to the mountains, usually yellow mountain. Phoenix, the White mountains. Specifically distinct from Flagstaff
It's fine if people want to call it a mountain city. I would ask what mountains it's in if somebody said that to me lol
Madreese@reddit
Flagstaff is in the San Francisco Mountain Range. Now you know. LOL
molehunterz@reddit
That's funny. I did not know about the San Francisco mountain range. So I did learn something. But also when I googled it, it says that Flagstaff sits at the base of that mountain range, but is not in the mountain range. LOL
Madreese@reddit
OK, the base of the San Francisco mountains. It's not a mountain town like Breckenridge, CO. It sits on a plateau, but those of us that drive north to Flagstaff know that we are driving to the mountains. There you go.
molehunterz@reddit
Had colors on my mind. Mount lemon is what I was thinking of in Tucson.
bullettree@reddit
The city of Flagstaff itself is very snowy too, as well as the surrounding woodland.
I was in downtown Flagstaff this past February. It genuinely felt and looked like winter in New England (though sunnier). It was well below freezing, and I was walking around snowbanks downtown.
hotlettucediahrrea@reddit
Tucson also has one of the southernmost ski resorts in this hemisphere.
Frosty_Employment171@reddit
tucson?
Low-Crow5719@reddit
Mt. Lemmon. 9000 foot (roughly) mountain that gets 5 feet of snow, and skiing from 8000 feet up.
This is the southernmost ski resort in the US.
jiminak@reddit
I have surfed and snow skied on the same day on Hawaii. It snows regularly up there, but I guess it doesnât qualify as a âski resortâ.
DeceitfulDuck@reddit
It's possible to do that in southern California in the winter too.
Disastrous-Cat2840@reddit
Oof, I'm just imagining riding into a patch of thin snow and getting a core shot on volcanic rock, would just decimate your skis or board.
Humble_Struggle1336@reddit
Yes! Mt. Lemmon has a ski resort just outside of town. Cactuses lining the road at the bottom, Ponderosa pines at the top. It's a wild transition.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Lemmon_Ski_Valley
sum_dude44@reddit
that's a great drive up--2k to 10k ft in 30 min
BaconContestXBL@reddit
No ski resort that I know of, but Cloudcroft and Ruidoso, NM, also have pretty stark transitions from the base of the mountain to the top
BlowFish-w-o-Hootie@reddit
Ski Apache at Ruidoso. They have 11 lifts and about 2000' feet of vertical. I haven't been there is quite a while, and I'm sure they have had a hard time with lack of snow fall in the past few years.
Ski Cloudcroft is a tiny ski area, with 3 lifts and about 800' of vertical topping out at 9100'.
BaconContestXBL@reddit
Oh thatâs right! I havenât been out that way in almost a decade
imnottheoneipromise@reddit
It snowed all 3 winters when I was in El Paso. Completely was not expecting that! We went up to ruidosa to visit but Iâm not and never will be a skier.
DrTenochtitlan@reddit
I made the mistake of visiting Kitt Peak Observatory (just outside of Tucson on a mountaintop) when I was a child at the beginning of April one year. I was in shorts and sandals, as it was in the high 80s that day in Tucson. We drove to the top to see the telescopes. When we got out, it was 11 degrees with three feet of snow on the ground. We had to grab blankets out of the trunk so we could do the tour!
Silver_Prompt7132@reddit
Itâs mountainy! The peaks are very chilly
notmyrealname_2@reddit
Wrightson is higher than Lemmon and South of Tuscon. Those two peaks and Rincon on the East side all get covered in snow in the winter.Â
PresentationLive943@reddit
Okay but this is snow just based off elevation. Let's not talk about places that snow just because it's higher elevation. Yes Flagstaff gets snow it's like 7000 feet higher than phoneix lmao
Icy_Consideration409@reddit
The question was simply âfurthest southâ. Do you have other suggestions that are further south?
therealCatnuts@reddit
I grew up in upper Midwest and know snow and harsh weather. That to say: the worst blizzard I ever drove through was in fucking Arizona. Flagstaff.Â
Madreese@reddit
I love this because I live in Arizona and if you knew how many times I've heard people be stunned that it snowed in Arizona. SMH Yes, we have desert, but we also have the largest contiguous ponderosa pine forest in the world. And we have Humphreys Peak which stands at an elevation of 12,600+ ft.
shoshonesamurai@reddit
I checked out Wikipedia... Average yearly snowfall, Flagstaff 90 inches Buffalo 95 inches
Fickle-Aardvark6907@reddit
Lake Effect is a helluva thingÂ
marko719@reddit
So is 7000' elevation.
Turbowookie79@reddit
I just looked this up a couple weeks ago. Theyâre a 160 miles north of phoenix but they still get like 100 inches of snow a year. Incredible.
tower909@reddit
A couple winters ago I scratched my car on a snowbank in Flagstaff in the morning, then drove to Scottsdale/Phoenix by the afternoon, where it was 75F and sunny.
The looks on people's faces when I explained to them I spun out on ice earlier that day
MPord@reddit
We nearly got stuck in the snow in Flagstaff in December. Some years later I wanted to take my son to the Grand Canyon during spring break, but had to go toward Phoenix and Tucson instead because it snowed heavily in Flagstaff.
OptimisticPlatypus@reddit
The western US is difficult to characterize this way due to the vast differences in elevation.
In the eastern US, the Midwest (Ohio, Indiana, etc) will have much colder winters compared to neighboring states considered the south like Kentucky, North Carolina, and Tennessee.
Snoo-53847@reddit
Yeah, I was hiking the grand canyon in November and ended hanging out with this European dude who was doing the entirety of route 66. He was shocked that Arizona was so cold despite being so far south. I explained that elevation plays a pretty equal role as latitude in temperature, especially in the desert southwest with dry air.
Whatitiswhatitbe@reddit
Even then there is still a big variance between northern and southern Ohio.
Aggravating-Kick-967@reddit
Not really harsh, but Julian north of San Diego gets cold enough to grow apples which need cold to produce fruit.
shammy_dammy@reddit
Define 'hot'.
ConfidentSale3091@reddit (OP)
Iâm talking no real winter, no snow, hoodie weather at worst.
Deolater@reddit
Hoodie weather for whom?
Minnesota people will wear hoodies on the coldest days in my areas, but Floridians will often want coats in an Atlanta SeptemberÂ
Antisirch@reddit
I love seeing the dudes (itâs always a dude) wearing shorts, crocs, and a parka in February in MN. Often when itâs below zero.
cranberry_spike@reddit
Lol. Every day when I worked in office this winter I passed a guy in shorts and a T-shirt waiting for the bus. It wasn't quite as cold as Minnesota but we had a pretty intense winter in Chicago anyway lol. And there's a middle schooler down the block who only wears shorts and a hoodie, no matter the temps. His parents gave up last year đ đ
taxwench@reddit
In Colorado. My kids wear shorts and maybe a hoodie when itâs a full on blizzard and they walk a half mile each way. Itâs so common at their middle school that I donât worry about CPS being called anymore. They also wear hoodies when itâs 110° in the summer. I conclude that my middle schoolers are just weird.
Antisirch@reddit
lol, thatâs great. Chicago gets plenty coldâŠI think people just get tired of bundling up đ
cranberry_spike@reddit
Oh for sure đ the minute it hit like 45 or 50 there were miniskirts and sundresses everywhere đ
Forsythia77@reddit
I got too used to it being warm because today was too dang cold. Ran to Walgreens and that 47 felt like 37. The wind coming off the lake was testing me. I had to break out my tier 1 coat, which I put away weeks ago.
cranberry_spike@reddit
Today was very startling đ
Lugbor@reddit
Sandals and a light jacket is shoveling attire for me. Gets too hot otherwise.
Competitive-Dirt-158@reddit
Arctic mucks shorts and coat for the win đ
X_shadowbeast_X@reddit
I'm not in Minnesota and am a woman but I also wear shorts and just a tshirt in below 0 weather.
garyzxcv@reddit
Do you like chocolate chip cookies? Define chocolate chip cookies? Are they 12â in diameter? Are the chips the size of basketballs? Do they have 17 cups of sugar in them? Do you see what you sound like? Christ on a cross.
pixievixie@reddit
Yeah, but chocolate chip cookies can come in any size from 1.5 inches or less to 6 inches across and have any number of things added. Hot is subjective and someone from California or Florida will be cold in what another area considers a heat wave
garyzxcv@reddit
What isnât subjective?
pixievixie@reddit
Well, then you answered your own question. Heat/cold is subjective. Answering OPs question is very subjective
Proof-Emergency-5441@reddit
Its needed though. Upper Midwest and hoodie weather to me is like 25.Â
ruat_caelum@reddit
in Hawaii 72 degrees is hoodie weather. In Michigan it's about 20 to 40 degrees.
Humans get used to the Norms of "hot" and "Cold" and then wear hoodies when it's cool / cold. But I've worked in a shop (no wind) in Michigan in below freezing weather (below 32) in a hoodie and took that off from time to time.
That normal cold changes in each region.
Seppafer@reddit
Adding wind to the cold really changes things from preference to how about we avoid frostbite. For heat wind is great until air temp is above body temp because thats when the wind will just make things worse
ruat_caelum@reddit
humidity affects this as well. Dry heat and wind is fine because we sweat and evaporate heat off. So it's not hot over body temp it's "Wet bulb temperature" (Just to be a bit more formally correct) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wet-bulb_temperature
Drunken_Sailor_70@reddit
Like no snow ever? I lived in Central Florida for a couple years and we had flurries one winter. A lot of south eastern states get a little bit of snow. Maybe southern Cal, NM,AZ. Or you might need to go to Hawaii or one of the Carribean territories.
ThisDerpForSale@reddit
There is nowhere in the US where it never gets cold enough to need more than a hoodie. Some of the farthest south places may rarely need heavier clothing, but if you bet on that, you're going to freeze your ass off every now and then.
GOTaSMALL1@reddit
Oh good... A totally objective measurement.
cranberry_spike@reddit
Lololol. Like I know people for whom 0F is hoodie weather.
ObjectiveOk2072@reddit
0°F can be shorts weather if there's no wind, although that's pretty rare
ucsdFalcon@reddit
In that case San Francisco qualifies.
Outrageous-You-4634@reddit
As a Bay Area resident, I claim it to be "never really cold here". It gets hot in the Tri-Valley in the summers (90's and 100s are not at all uncommon). But it really never snows (except up on the tallest peaks like Mt Diablo or Mt Tam).
I think the lowest ever temp recorded here in the east bay where I am is in the high 20s and that has happened only a handful of times.
So if "always hot" means "never snows" and a hoodie, welcome to Berkeley, Oakland, Hayward. But no one would say it's hot here.
swake3@reddit
As I'm sure you well know it can be 55 degrees in San Francisco and 100 degrees 40 miles away in San Jose at the same time. One time I drove from SF where it was in the 50s to Yosemite and 30 degree temps and then on to Death Valley where it was 116 degrees. All in one day.
VinceP312@reddit
SF would never be in ANYONE'S "hot all year" list.
It's not even frequently hot in summer mornings .
Sassifrassically@reddit
San Jose maybe
bjnono001@reddit
It'll never be under freezing though.
jvc1011@reddit
It does indeed get below freezing.
molehunterz@reddit
Really? There were a couple mornings in San Diego when I had frost on the grass.
It never dips below freezing in San francisco? I would not have guessed that
MortimerDongle@reddit
Not never but extremely rarely, less than once per year. The coldest temperature in an average year is 39 F.
MikeBofManyBeats@reddit
San Franciscoâs smaller and more surrounded by temperature-moderating water, so itâs less likely to than San Diego to get freezing cold. (And of course, San Diego is still pretty warm in the winter too.)
Mayor_of_BBQ@reddit
âThe coldest winter i ever endured was summertime in San Francisco â
or something like that
VinceP312@reddit
Yep!
In the 90s I lived in the City and worked in Pleasanton... Woke up shivering, and was sweating balls when I got to the office at 8.
HellYeahBelle@reddit
I literally lolâed when I read this because I was thinking about when I lived/worked in Pleasanton. In the fall it was 54° at 8a and 92° at 2:30p. Walking to work made it a wardrobe adventure.
Spring trips to Berkeley from the tri valley were just as wild: 92° when leaving at 11a and 54° at the wharf at 2:30p.
StillC5sdad@reddit
I saw that movie too.
TearRevolutionary686@reddit
Attributed to Mark Twain.
MikeBofManyBeats@reddit
Falsely attributed, that is
Guinnessron@reddit
Hemingway believe.
tequilasheila@reddit
Orinda, CA. It's directly past the Berkeley Hills that often trap the fog/cooler air in the San Francisco/Oakland/Berkeley area (those are the hills that burned in 1991) going through the Caldecott, or "Cool-to-Hot" Tunnel. Really nice area, pricey though.
cwcam86@reddit
I went one summer in July and we all had to fucking buy goodies and jeans because of how cold it was
DosZappos@reddit
SF is simultaneously never hot, but meets OPs criteria perfectly
Electrifying2017@reddit
Just wait a few years.
UntidyVenus@reddit
Well, not 10 years ago, now though ....
mrtsapostle@reddit
Still not hot. Climate change probably makes the fog worse since theres a greater heat discrepancy between the pacific current and inland california
UntidyVenus@reddit
Actually no fog, and it's regularly in the 90s now in October
_netflixandshill@reddit
Maybe a few more hot days but no, itâs still probably the mildest, downright chilly summer city in the 48
Forward_Tank8310@reddit
One of the top selling tourist items along the Esplanade, Pier 39, Alcatraz, etc in San Francisco has always been sweatshirts. It can be 90+ degrees in the South Bay Area and 55 in the city at the same time, so tourists get fooled into thinking itMâll be warm. It isnât.
haileyskydiamonds@reddit
It snowed in New Orleans last year. It was so pretty; the city looked like a Christmas card.
alliquay@reddit
I live in Michigan, I wore a hoodie as my jacket all winter this past year. Never broke out my winter coat once!
alpacaapicnic@reddit
Vegas qualifies I think? Coastal places in northern CA donât have snow but also never get hot hot
Pointlessname123321@reddit
If youâre defining âhotâ as no snow, wear a hoodie, then itâs probably somewhere on the west coast south of Portland. I did a quick search and Portland gets like 2-3 inches a year.
joe_m107@reddit
Alaskan here. Wore shorts and a tee shirt all day today as it was the first above freezing temps weâve had this year. So, 38° can be considered tee shirt weather if youâre from here.
DontRunReds@reddit
I mean I'm in Southeast Alaska and while this winter, particularly the spring half, was snowy as fuck, it isn't always that way. There have been years with no snow where I live. I would guess a lot of Western Washington meets your definition every year and Southeast Alaska does some years?
WinterRevolutionary6@reddit
Hawaii is probably the only place in the US that would actually not have a winter. As for harsh winters, I wouldnât know
VelvetTaco@reddit
Here in Chicago I regularly see guys wearing shorts and/or hoodies when the weather is mid 40âs. Especially if itâs a nice, sunny day after a stretch of gray.
MundaneHuckleberry58@reddit
I meanâŠI live in Phoenix. While rare, it does get cold here in winter. Iâve seen it as low as 16° here.
And I donât know for sure if weâve ever got snow but we have graupel, a slushy white wintry precipitation. Iâve seen ot many times in the valley & the mountains surrounding phx will be coated in snow.
Apollo_T_Yorp@reddit
I remember when there was a dusting of snow in Scottsdale, i want to say that was like 2013 or 14?
Parking_Champion_740@reddit
I was in Phoenix during an absolutely miserable February. I think 2019. Definitely sleeting or something. Pouring rain and miserably cold
AZTerp1080@reddit
Yes! It was around new years of 2015. We had just moved from the east coast (to get out of the snow/cold) and I woke up, looked out the window and there was a light dusting of snow on my cactus! And snow on Thompson Peak, which was actually quite beautiful.
GradientVisAtt@reddit
I lived in Phoenix 75-79 and 89-95. I remember at least three days of snow flurries in the early 90s.
4games1@reddit
Key Weat, Florida and Honolulu, Hawaii According to the Google, these are the only areas that have never had snow.
N0P3sry@reddit
Tampa had snow in 76:7. Miami had a freak snow 50 ish years ago. But yeah- FL below a line running Tampa to Orlando.
Can live a lifetime and never see snow. Tampa will have a few freak days below 45ish a year
DejaBlonde@reddit
You're probably only looking at Florida then, because around here at least it's pretty standard for winter to be in the 20s.
ramblinjd@reddit
The whole gulf coast, Florida peninsula, and most of coastal California meets this definition.
Conversely, it snows regularly at high altitude as far south as central Arizona, Central New Mexico, and even parts of Texas.
shammy_dammy@reddit
The Texas panhandle gets downright cold. I used to live in Wichita Falls and it also can get super chilly.
LivingGhost371@reddit
Seattle
pixievixie@reddit
You've never seen the videos of people in Seattle sliding down the hills every time I gets icy/snowy?
Junior_Ad_7613@reddit
I used to live by 8th and Cherry and one day we got about an inch of pea-sized hail and I just watched out of my window chuckling at folks trying to go up or down the hill. Even the ones on foot couldnât do it.
pixievixie@reddit
Snow and ice combined with those hills are no joke. People laugh when Seattle shuts down over s couple of inches of snow, but there's a reason!
Junior_Ad_7613@reddit
I had a bunch of arguments with someone living in Boston about small amounts of snow in Seattle shutting things down (âBoston has hills!â âNot like ours!â). She moved out here and after the first winter storm said âwow, OK, you were right.â
Junior_Ad_7613@reddit
Meh, most years we get some snow.
ELMUNECODETACOMA@reddit
And even if not, there's usually a minimum of one or two hard freezes.
Junior_Ad_7613@reddit
The worst is when it snows a bit but isnât that cold, then freezes overnight.
archseattle@reddit
SF or Sacramento if youâre looking for a city.
TeamTurnus@reddit
Its tricky because on the east coast or the middle of the country basically youll get polar vortex coming through and causing cold weather drops/snow. Like it obviously gets less extreme as you go south, but even Texas and Georgia will get freezing temperatures and ice/snow occasionally. I think you really have to go to California/the west coast to get a more stable climate.
Pete_Iredale@reddit
Apparently SW Washington this past winter. We might have had frost a dozen or so mornings and that was winter.
VinceP312@reddit
Frost is mutually exclusive with "hot all year"
Pete_Iredale@reddit
I was responding more to the hoodie weather at worst comment.
pixievixie@reddit
Yeah, but remember like 2 winters ago where it got down to 6â° at night for a few days? đ„¶ I had frost on the inside of my door handle for a little bit one night, it was insane
terrymorse@reddit
Redding, Calfornia.
WorkerAmbitious2072@reddit
Southern Georgia or northern Florida
IconoclastExplosive@reddit
Temperature, mate, give us numbers
DeathStarVet@reddit
Everywhere in s few years.
jiminak@reddit
Everywhere gets snow at some point. Even Miami and Hawaii have snow.
shammy_dammy@reddit
Southern Az
Ok_Basil_7010@reddit
SE Washington State most years would fit this description
Mayor_of_BBQ@reddit
South Carolina, middle Tennessee, a strip of North Carolina from Charlotte to the beach
on the west side, central california
as for the inverse, a place like oklahoma is pretty dang south for such shit winters
GrowlingAtTheWorld@reddit
The south starts wearing hoodies at a much warmer temp than their northern counterpart. We feel colder sooner and hotter later. Like when I am wearing fleece lined tights, jeans, long sleeve shirt, a flannel and a coat and have gloves and a scarves and the tourists are wearing shorts.
texasrigger@reddit
Ive had snow at my place in coastal south TX just above the Mexican border.
Viocansia@reddit
Thatâs pretty far south. I lived in Tennessee for 8 years, and we had traditional winters with more ice than snow but temps not far off from where I grew up in central PA. Georgia has real winters too, so further south than that.
hammerofspammer@reddit
Hell, even Columbia SC gets pretty damn cold in the winter sometimes
Ok_Bar4002@reddit
Pretty far south for where snow can occur. You go to the west coast and people really donât need a coat to live even in Vancouver BC. Most people in seattle wear a hoodie or a rain coat all winter. I never wore one unless I was headed to the mountains.
NoForm5443@reddit
And harsh winter
Extra_Routine_6603@reddit
Depends on what you'd call harsh winter or hot summer. Where I live get extremes of both below freezing winters with several inches of snow and triple digits summers. Either way I'm usually the crazy guy in shorts no matter what the weather is like outside
Character-Tennis-241@reddit
We have harsh winters in Oklahoma.
VinceP312@reddit
Your question doesn't make any sense.
There is nowhere in the 48s that is perpetually hot all year long.
Even the hottest deserts in the Southwest get cold at night. And cold polar air frequently makes it way into the South in winter time.
YouFeedTheFish@reddit
Ever been to coastal California?
Middle-Wealth-6755@reddit
Well you'd need to define "hot" and "harsh". How humid is it? Windy? Measured by amount of snowfall? Measured by days of sunshine? Etc etc. Lots of hot humid places and hot arid places that feel vastly different. Same with cold places.
Embarrassed_Fig1801@reddit
Probably Northern California for farthest north. In the Bay Area a hoodie is usually good enough in winter. I have a jacket but I couldnât tell you the last time I wore it.
GermanMuffin@reddit
Redding, CA
Jimbussss@reddit
The one real answer to the question
No-Celebration6014@reddit
Iâve never been, but I used to live in Sacramento, and I know the answer has to be somewhere north of there because the winters in Sacramento were so mild.
Federal_Pickles@reddit
Dallas
thats-gold-jerry@reddit
South is Boone, NC.
Mayor_of_BBQ@reddit
boone is colder than denver lol
thats-gold-jerry@reddit
Is that a question or a statement? Denver isnât South. I donât understand your comment.
Mayor_of_BBQ@reddit
Boone has some of the harshest winter weather in the state of NC, outside of a few spots at elevationâŠ. Therefore itâs a very poor answer to the question
thats-gold-jerry@reddit
Dude wtf are you saying? I gave a response that makes sense to the OPs question. Why are you talking about Colorado?
Minute_Point_949@reddit
Been in blizzards in Boone in November, great choice
thats-gold-jerry@reddit
I went to school there. Go Apps.
OrangeToTheFourth@reddit
Linville can get pretty rough at times and that's a bit south of Boone but agreed.Â
Fappy_as_a_Clam@reddit
Western Carolina University is further still, and we got at least one winter storm a year
OrangeToTheFourth@reddit
Yeah I would say that's out of harsh territory though. I say this as someone now living in Asheville from watauga county lol. It is different up there.Â
Fappy_as_a_Clam@reddit
I'd disagree..
Like a said, minimum at least one good winter storm a year, usually more. The year after I graduated got a very bad one and they were closing passes and everything, like it was the rockies lol
quietcoyoti@reddit
Linville is pretty rough all the time with all those giant confederate flags everywhere
limbodog@reddit
Well for the second part the answer is the South Pole.
But I have no idea about the first part.
phord@reddit
It seldom snows anywhere in Florida. But it has snowed in Miami before. So there's no "never". It very rarely gets down to freezing in San Francisco (no snow), but the city is farther north than Tennessee where they regularly get snow every winter at the same altitude.
I grew up in North Florida and never saw snow in my life until I moved further north in my 20s.
The "freeze line"on the East Coast is probably around North Georgia. But coastal areas are more immune, and mountains obviously get more snow and cooler temperatures.
____ozma@reddit
Apparently the answer is Denver this yearÂ
Tomato_Motorola@reddit
The furthest north you can go and not get snowy winters is probably Napa and Sonoma Counties in California.
The furthest south you can go and get reliably snowy winters is probably Ruidoso, New Mexico.
Naddyman2005@reddit
Define âno real winterâ. If youâre talking about subtropical with cool winters but rarely freezing, then it would be the mediterranean climate of central california, or the lowlands of the carolinas. If youâre talking completely tropical, itâs somewhere in between Orlando and Miami.
winter is subjective too. 60ÂșF is a harsh as f*ck winter day for Florida, where as here in Upstate New York, Iâll wear a thin jacket outside down to 10ÂșF.
Daytrpryeah@reddit
Iâm going with Flagstaff, AZ and Redding, CA.
Outrageous-You-4634@reddit
"Hot" year round would be limited to maybe central Florida. I still gets told a night and sometimes north Florida gets real winter storms. I would say "Harsh" winters no farther south than maybe Indianapolis, but all of the US South is subject to the random winter storm that can bring snow and ice and freeing temps for days or weeks. Places like Atlanta and Dallas and Houston can absolutely have a harsh winter storm or two.
DosZappos@reddit
Inland SoCal is definitely hot year round
jvc1011@reddit
Not in the mountains.
ratchet_thunderstud0@reddit
Oklahoma would like a word
VentureCO6@reddit
You donât think Taosâ or telluride winters are worse than Indianapolis? Wild take or someone thatâs never left the mid west.
Outrageous-You-4634@reddit
Absolutely way harsher winters than places like Indy or STL exist. The question was what's the farthest south you can go and not have a "harsh" winter.
it completely depends on what the definition of that word means.
Courwes@reddit
Indianapolis would be wrong. As someone who lives in kentucky we get at least one major winter storm each year and it gets freezing cold in the winters. Guess would depend on your definition of harsh. Like 3 full months of snow or area where temps can get to below 0 F
riarws@reddit
Yes, the Appalachians stretch very far south, and mountaintops do get cold!
Outrageous-You-4634@reddit
Definitely mountains make a huge difference. Good clarification.
eskimoboob@reddit
In that case Iâd probably say Flagstaff, AZ
ConfidentSale3091@reddit (OP)
Not just a random cold snap, but regular snow, freezing temps, the kind of winter that actually disrupts daily life.
Classic-Push1323@reddit
Yup. Hereâs a reminder that large parts of the south were hit by a severe ice storm this year and lost power for weeks. It even hit northern Mexico.Â
Zombiiesque@reddit
I moved to southern Florida from North Carolina and I would agree with this!
Willing_Ad_699@reddit
Big bear lake in Southern California gets harsh winters.
pixievixie@reddit
People from the north think it's hot year round in SoCal, people in SoCal think anything lower than like 70â° is puffy jacket and UGGs weather đ
jvc1011@reddit
Fun fact: there are places in SoCal that get deeper snow some years than Boston.
lavasca@reddit
Can agree! Iâm from southern California and managed to get and battle pnuemonia in 70 degree weather. I know it is because of exposure and ir was just coincidental that Iâd forgotten my sweater and jacket the day before symptom onset.
I took up skiing so I could adjust to NorCal.
pixievixie@reddit
Lol, because you forgot your sweater and jacket for 70â° weather đ in the PNW we got shorts and sandals on the second the sun comes out, even if it's like 55â° out đ
lavasca@reddit
Legitmately aware that wasnât the cause just a coincidence. đ€Ł But, it was normal for me to wear a sweater and jacket in that weather..
pixievixie@reddit
I got pneumonia, though up here where itâs cold. Thatâs NO JOKE. They caught it right before it got serious and I was STILL super sick and so fatigued for weeks afterwards. I see how people die from it!
Nyxelestia@reddit
I think the funniest thing about that stereotype is how visibly inconsistent it is. I've definitely see the puffy jackets and uggs next to people in shorts, flip-flops, and tanktops. Nobody seems to notice how weird this is until someone else points it out.
Even being born and raised in SoCal, I will never understand the people who have winter clothes vs summer clothes and change out their closets twice a year for it.
pixievixie@reddit
Yes, that's as the thing, I also saw people in flip flops and shorts year round. It was so funny. Like yeah, to me, most of the year flip flops were totally fine, but a puffy jacket never really would have felt necessary to me, so that always kind of made me laugh. One time during covid when we had to help customers outside, this lady berated us for making her stand outside in the "harsh, inclement weather" because it was like 60â° and breezy... meanwhile, my coworkers back up in Washington were helping people outside in the snow and rain and 40â° and lower weather đ
kirbyderwood@reddit
Can confirm. Went for a bike ride this morning. It was 63 degrees out and I felt like I was freezing.
It's odd, though. I can go up to Mammoth and be in shirt sleeves when it's 40 degrees out. LA cold just hits differently.
tsukiii@reddit
Yep, I read this and thought, âIt gets kind of cold in San Diego sometimesâ. And by that, I mean 50-ish degrees at night in the winter lol
molehunterz@reddit
I lived in San Diego proper for one year, and there were a couple mornings when there was frost on the grass when I got up.
pixievixie@reddit
To be fair, one time in like April, in the shade, in the morning, I could see my breath cause it was like 45â° and this one time I remember they reported on the news that there had been frost in El Cajon! Of course it was all melted by 830am đ . We have areas where I'm at that never defrost in the winter time because they're in the shade and it never gets over 30â°! I've come out to a full on hard layer of ice on not only my windshield but my door handles and locks of my car! Not every winter, but it's definitely happened. And that's weak compared to like the Midwest and the further inland northern states!
ELMUNECODETACOMA@reddit
I used to travel from Seattle to Orange County and in the winter I'd leave at 6:45 wearing a light jacket for the high-30s drizzle, then arrive at 9:30 to mid-50s and light fog and find the natives not only dressed more warmly than I was but carrying umbrellas in case a drop or two fell from the sky.
pixievixie@reddit
The rain is different though, it was monsoonal some days, I swear. Never used an umbrella in my life until I got down there đ
Thalenia@reddit
I didn't see that too much when I was in LA, but in Miami the parkas come out in force just below 70. Hilarious to me since i grew up in MN.
ancientastronaut2@reddit
It gets down to the 40's on many winter nights though. And occasionally freezes.
kshucker@reddit
I grew up in Pennsylvania but lived in San Diego for a few years. My first Christmas season in San Diego was a shocker. I just remember it being about 75 degrees out and people had on huge winter jackets and boots while Christmas shopping. I was just hanging out in shorts and a t-shirt thinking âwhat the fuck is wrong with these people?â.
pixievixie@reddit
Yep, I remember one sunny day, it was probably like 65° and I was thinking Iâd get some iced coffee. I got in line at Starbucks and noticed the lady in front of me was ALL bundled up. Puffy jacket, snow hat, boots. I was in shock because I was getting to be too hot standing in the sun. I remember being in Target and they had big warm jackets and stuff like it was gonna be cold enough EVER for any of that, hahaha. I guess it snows in the mountains every year, but I canât see anyone needing that stuff down by the coastâŠ.except that lady in the Starbucks đ
jvc1011@reddit
Harsh winters are less about north-south than about altitude. There are mountains in Hawaii that get snow.
MadDocHolliday@reddit
In Mississippi, it can easily get to 95F-100F (35C-38C) in August, and we might see January lows close to 10F (-12C). But those lows aren't typical; January is our coldest month, and the average low temp is 38F (3C).
Zapatos-Grande@reddit
Hawaii.
Moist_Asparagus6420@reddit
I lived in central Texas for 30 years, 2 hours away from Mexico. Winters are definitely milder, but even there, mother nature throws curve balls every year. Just a couple years ago they received snowfall that crippled the electrical grid and literally killed people from the cold. And while I did not wear them very often I owned and used thermals when I lived there and worked outdoors.
Yes there were plenty of Decembers where I could still hit the outdoor pool, yes Christmas might be spent in shorts, and hoodies might be the most you need for many weeks January through March, but nut freezing weather still hits and hard, if only for a few days at a time.
The worst part is local infrastructure is not well equipped for it, and most people's homes do not have the insulation or heating capacity for when it does hit
crohnscyclist@reddit
Flagstaff Arizona has real winters.
DynamiteWitLaserBeam@reddit
Tons of snow for sure. And only an hour and half from Phoenix (but over a mile up in elevation).
pinniped90@reddit
You could get up into North Carolina without much in the way of severe winter (on the coast).
You could go all the way up to Delaware or so and only have one or two gnarly weeks a year.
sum_dude44@reddit
Sarasota
Panhandle of Florida
Churlish_Performer@reddit
For me, living in Wisconsin, Kentucky is that state. To me, it's hot basically all year more or less. But like, I haven't worn a traditional winter jacket in like 4 years - and that includes times where we got -20 wind chills, so I'm not the "norm" - even in my own state. Â
VelvetTaco@reddit
Here in Chicago I regularly see guys wearing shorts and/or hoodies when the weather is mid 40âs. Especially if itâs a nice, sunny day after a stretch of gray.
JointAccount24601@reddit
The deep south has plenty of harsh winters. They're just less common. See the snowmageddon in Texas 2021/2022. GA gets a few inches of snow as far South as Macon every few years, and while it isn't Minnesota levels of winter, it's still plenty uncomfy to be out in.Â
chimugukuru@reddit
Furthest south? Probably the summit of Mauna Kea.
Quenzayne@reddit
No place really stays hot all year. Even in Miami it gets down to the 40âs and 50âs in the winter.Â
Thin-Telephone2240@reddit
The furthest South ski resort in the USA is on the north side of Tucson Arizona, high up in the Santa Catalina Mountains. These mountains dominate the entire north side of the city. Mt Lemmon, the peak above the ski resort is over 9000 feet. I've been up there during a blizzard that dropped six feet of snow. Recent winters have been pitiful, like much of the West.
https://www.skithelemmon.com/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Lemmon
There's a small town up there known as Summerhaven. Popular with tourists:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summerhaven%2C_Arizona
SabresBills69@reddit
Great Plains you can get cold air farther south. so Texas will be some of the relatively coldest areas. South Florida, Southern California generally doesnât see winter/ temps below freezing.
getElephantById@reddit
Weather is complex, it isn't only a function of latitude. I don't think there is a meaningful answer to this question.
Regular_Camera4170@reddit
Honestly nc is perfect. Usually one good snow per year and 90-100 in summer
WhompTrucker@reddit
That's not how the equator works....
NYC_DILF@reddit
The correct answer to both of these questions is New York City.
Gwtheyrn@reddit
There's so much more to climate in North America than just latitude.
OceanPoet87@reddit
What is hot to an Alaskan requires a Floridan to buy and wear a parka at 35F.
Grungemaster@reddit
My grandparents live in Southern New Mexico and get snow every Winter due to the elevation.Â
dpdxguy@reddit
It snows in Hawaii, also due to elevation.
awmaleg@reddit
Where at?
BaconContestXBL@reddit
Probably around Cloudcroft
Sea_Requirement7404@reddit
Cloudcroft area?
dpdxguy@reddit
It snows in Hawaii. Does that make the winter harsh?
SgtHulkasBigToeJam@reddit
Miami
Elevenyearstoomany@reddit
I mean, when it freezes in FL the iguanas freeze and fall out of trees. That seems pretty harsh to me.
phx33__@reddit
Mount Lemmon outside of Tucson averages anywhere from 100-200 inches of snow a year. I don't know of anywhere at that latitude or further south in the US that averages more snow.
Ok_Orchid1004@reddit
Hot year around would mean never putting on a jacket, hoodie, etc. So that place doesnât exist because even Miami gets down into the 40âs a few times every winter. To me, 45°F is cold (I lived there more than 10 years) and when it gets that cold, locals are wearing parkas. Southern cities that have really crappy winter weather, for sure Iâd put Dallas on the list (I also lived there).
Maurice_Foot@reddit
It has snowed in Florida, south of Orlando. It frequently got below 0° C where I grew up around Tampa, Florida.
I guess the Keys/Key West might not have harsh winters.
Shiny_Mew76@reddit
Please I want somewhere where in the summer it is usually lower than 80 in the primary 48 states
stabbingrabbit@reddit
Brother lived on coast of Oregon. Cool summers, some snow but not blizzard.
atravisty@reddit
Good chance both locations will be in California.
HidingInTrees2245@reddit
As someone who has lived an a lot of places in the US, including Florida, Iâd say anywhere south of northern Florida might be warm year round and never get freezing spells or at least very rarely. I live in northern Virginia now and feel like Virginia may be the furthest south to still have ârealâ winter.
ThexLoneWolf@reddit
It's a lot more complicated than just "going north equals less harsh summers and more harsh winters." The continental U.S. is subdivided into four distinct regions: the Northeast, which includes New England and the mid-Atlantic states (New York, Pensylvania, New Jersey, etc), the Midwest, which includes the north central states (Illinois, Ohio, Michigan, etc), the South, which includes the south Atlantic and south central states (Texas, Georgia, North Carolina, etc), and the West, which includes the mountain and pacific states (California, Washington, Arizona, etc). These four regions with 48 states between them (50 if you include Alaska and Hawaii) cover 25 degrees of latitude and 60 degrees of longitude. That is huge, making the U.S. one of the largest countries on the planet by land area.
I bring all this up because the ocean has a stabilizing effect on temperatures around the year. It's not necessarily about how far north or south you go that determines how harsh the seasons are, it's about how far you can get from a significant body of water. The Atlantic and Pacific Oceans and the Great Lakes are basically massive heat batteries. They keep the states close to them cool during the summer and warm during the winter. When you live very far inland, you don't have that heat battery to stabilize temperatures, so you can expect harsher temperature swings throughout the year. It certainly doesn't help matters that the U.S. is bisected by two mountain ranges: the Rocky Mountains in the west, and the Appalachian Mountains in the east. These keep the wind from blowing air from the oceans a significant distance inland, and thus, we have even more extreme seasons. Fun fact, by the way: it's because of this phenomenon that the U.S. gets the most tornadoes per year.
What I can tell you is which cities have the harshest summers and winters. For harshest summer in the U.S, my vote is Miami. Yes, it can be pretty comfortable some of the year, but it's a tropical climate with a monsoon season (or as it's known more generally in the U.S, hurricane season). Temperatures tend to average 84 degrees Fahrenheit during the summer, and with humidity averaging out at 73 percent year-round, summers in Miami can be pretty miserable. Las Vegas may get hotter, but it's so dry that your sweat can cool you down as it evaporates off your skin. In Miami, the humidity will drive you inside eventually if the heat doesn't. For harshest winter, Anchorage is definitely up there. Subzero temperatures for 7 months of the year are already pretty bad, but add in 12+ inches of snow per month and short periods where the sun is above the horizon, and it's just depressing. Boston is a close second for me: the temperatures may not drop as low as Anchorage, but it's prone to snowstorms that can completely bury the city under a foot of the stuff, sometimes even more.
Zephyr_Dragon49@reddit
The south Western coast and southern half of Florida. The actual deep south still has hard freezes & freezing rain. Snow and significant ice is becoming more common due to the polar vortex becoming increasingly unstable and dipping down more often. I lived in Houston and often dealt with 40 degree F weather with rain too.
devilscabinet@reddit
In my part of Texas, it isn't unusual to get temperatures of 110 degrees F (43.3 C) in the summer. In the winter there may be days when it gets down to 10 degrees F (-12.2 C) with ice and snow, but there have been winters where I never wore more than a denim jacket outside. There have been days where there was snow on the ground in the morning and people were swimming outdoors (in unheated pools) in the afternoon.
thetokyofiles@reddit
Dallas is interesting: I donât consider the winter at all harsh, overall. But thereâs maybe one or two weeks in January or February that are fairly harsh.
Fun fact: since records have been kept, starting in 1898, Dallas has never had a snowless winter.
Southern_Engine_4520@reddit
I really think this depends on what youâre used to. Iâve only lived in the far south and yeah I could probably wear a hoodie and jeans in the winter but to me itâs still freezing. It rarely snows and if it does it never sticks. So for me personally âno winterâ would be Florida. Maybe even the gulf coast but Iâve been down there for Mardi Gras and been freezing.
Traditional_Entry183@reddit
It snowed in Florida this past winter. I think the only place its absolutely never cold is Southern California.
doozle@reddit
It absolutely gets below freezing in southern California.
eskimoboob@reddit
San Diego?
1massagethrowaway@reddit
Yes. It can get into the 30s in SD in winter, but typically only overnight. It can be below freezing just slightly inland.
Verdammt_Arschloch@reddit
It's snowed in Los Angeles a bunch of times.
ancientastronaut2@reddit
When I was a kid, we got a light dusting of snow a couple times in orange county.
ancientastronaut2@reddit
I grew up and lived there til three years ago. It absolutely gets cold on winter nights, in the upper 40's, and occasionally even freezing.
Inspi@reddit
Only in the north.
South Florida had its first night hit the upper 20s in over 25 years last winter. Most winter weather is 70s here.Â
Traditional_Entry183@reddit
Yeah I was once in Miami over new years and it was 90F.
VinceP312@reddit
Wrong! I've been in SoCal during rainy season in January. Including one of those "atmospheric river" week long storms a few years ago... And it was very chilly. 40s F.
vteezy99@reddit
Iâd guess Hawaii. Here in SoCal we get snow in the mountains.
DonkeyHotay_@reddit
It will snow on Mauna Kea and Mauna Loa on Hawaii
thewickedbarnacle@reddit
The snow here is mostly at altitude. You could just stay down at sea level and it is pretty temperate here in the winter.
Illustrious-Shirt569@reddit
Thatâs only true(ish) for coastal, sea-level places. Plenty of snow in the mountains, or even often in the deserts inland.
josephblowski@reddit
The further inland you get in California, the more fluctuations in weather. It does snow (rarely) in the inland deserts and the Central Valley, not to mention the mountains. The Central Valley also has a very damp, cold winter that produces tule fog. Personally, this weather hits me harder than a crisp snow day in the Midwest - itâs hard to describe but it feels achy in my joints and bones.
Afromolukker_98@reddit
San Gabriel Mountains in Southern California gets to the 20s or less with snow in winter.
stuck_behind_a_truck@reddit
We are a mountain state, and that includes Southern California. I have three ranges in view, with the tallest peak at 10,000 feet. At 2,400 feet, we will get the occasional snow dusting.
Traditional_wolf_007@reddit
According to some 11th airborne paratroopers I bunked with for a couple days, upstate new york to both. "It's negative eleven out. I think I'm gonna have a heat stroke."
NickElso579@reddit
UK hot? Or real hot, either way Utah is probably the answer to both of those questions.
LongOrganization7838@reddit
Define your version of hot? The heatwave that washed over the U.K. and couple years ago is the same as most states mid to late spring
MrAflac9916@reddit
Mountains lead to loopholes here. The tops of the mountains in Western North Carolina are pretty cold. Same with NM AZ CA
Impressive-Safety191@reddit
This year? Throw a dart.
Unusual_Form3267@reddit
Snow in the South is easier than you think. You just have to find high altitude places that are inland.
You can hit northern New Mexico and the Rockies in Colorado for some hardcore winters.
Hot year round is harder. I'm guessing South Florida. Everywhere else cools down in the winter.
ladybugseattle@reddit
Seattle might be the mildest. Some winters without snow, yet lots of houses without air conditioning in summer with low humidity. And lots of lakes too cold to ever swim in as they're fed by glacier melt runoff.
pixievixie@reddit
We definitely have several weeks of high humidity and heat every year though, and it's only getting worse. We CAN get SUPER cold, though it also only lasts a couple of weeks at most, unless you're at an altitude at all. We actually have pretty high humidity most of the time, it's just not usually warm enough to notice it!
ELMUNECODETACOMA@reddit
Note that by summer standards nationwide, even the high heat is not extreme by Southern, Southwestern, or Midwestern standards. 100F is almost unheard of (last official day over 100 was in 2021), and there often is a breeze off the water in the heat of the day so even if it doesn't cool you down, at least the air is moving.
pixievixie@reddit
Last official day over 100° in Seattle or in Washington? I think it was like 110° in the foothills a few years ago, but more recently than 2021. Growing up just north of Seattle we thought 85° was hot and 100° was unheard of. I was up in Newhalem a few years ago and thought it would be cooler in the mountains, lol, it was 101° up there! The lakes were still frigid, but it was SO HOT. And I was pissed because I was visiting from SoCal at the time and it was like 20° hotter than it was in San Diego đ©
ELMUNECODETACOMA@reddit
Seattle specifically. Anywhere near the Sound is going to be significantly cooler than even thirty miles inland, and much of Eastern Washington is a damn desert.
pixievixie@reddit
Oh for sure, I donât think anyone on here talking about Seattle/Washington is including E WA or even Central WA in any of this. Though more recently theyâve had way less snow too! Though still cold in the winter!
Whatswrongbaby9@reddit
Snowed here last month
Hot-Freedom-1044@reddit
Careful guys. Thatâs going to make more of them move here. :)
pixievixie@reddit
Hot-Freedom-1044@reddit
Thatâs better. And that disgusting mountain!
ruat_caelum@reddit
Seattle still has brown outs because sub stations that supported X homes for decades are now having to supply so much more power because all the AC going in.
AbilityAdventurous22@reddit
Northern arizona can get more snow than any other city in the US!
suzemagooey@reddit
The lower half of the Florida Keys are the "hot" described by the OP since anything further north is capable of snow or cold temperatures that can support snow.
As for harsh winters, it is easier to list the states that have them (a quick Google search will suffice). Furtherst south one can go would then be the state line of them. But harsh winter weather rarely makes a straight line across the lower 48. So the question is poorly formatted as there won't be just one place.
Rare_Independent_814@reddit
North Florida stays warm mostly. For south cold Iâll say Sojth South Carolina
shootingstar527@reddit
I live in Tampa Florida and it doesnât snow here. But we do get our own version of winter, and in the mornings it can be in the 40s. Some days the high might be in the 50s.
pizzaboy7269@reddit
Furthest south while still getting big winters is probably the Rockies? My brother is in Denver and usually gets worse winters than NYC where I am.
DosZappos@reddit
I hope youâre kidding or just mixed up what you wrote. Denver winters are nothing compared to the northeast.
Dapper-Presence4975@reddit
The only state in the country that is completely immune to winter is Hawaii. Even Miami can get cold enough that it rains iguanas.
Tommy_Wisseau_burner@reddit
Elevation plays more of a factor. Also it snowed in Florida this year. In Tampa bay it hit freezing temps (or close to it) a couple days.
ryguymcsly@reddit
Itâs not a north and south thing, and if by âhotâ you mean actually warm year round none of that actually exists outside of hawaii.
There are plenty of places that are comfortable year round all the way up the west coast though.
eskimoboob@reddit
I mean thereâs also Key West
JanuriStar@reddit
Yeah, South Florida disagrees with this statement. Just like Hawai'i, there are homes here that don't have any kind of heat.
FLOHTX@reddit
Got down to 30s in Miami this winter
JanuriStar@reddit
Yeah, for an hour, at like 3 a.m. If you were sleeping you missed it, and Hawai'i has snow.
The only reason I own a heavy, winter coat, is because I was taking a trip to Hawai'i, and needed it for the higher elevation. I've worn that coat during two trips to Hawai'i, and zero times while at home in S. FL.
ryguymcsly@reddit
TIL
33301Florida@reddit
I live in South Florida and we had a short spell of days in the 30s this past Winter. You might try Hawaii. Cold? I don't go looking for cold so I dunno.
bones_bones1@reddit
The only hot year round you can get in the US is the southernmost parts of Florida and Hawaii.
Mundane-Charge-1900@reddit
Big Bend National Park in Texas has some 7k+ ft elevation peaks where it is quite cool in the winter. But most of it is hot, arid desert that is triple digit highs in the summer.
thatlukeguy@reddit
What area of Hawaii is most like Alaska, and what area of the Antarctic is most like Florida
nine_of_swords@reddit
...it snowed in New Orleans last year. You're going to need to define the wiggle room.
eternal_casserole@reddit
Right along the South Carolina/North Carolina border, we maybe get snow once or twice a year, and our summers are hot and disgustingly humid. I'd say on the east coast, it really is where south meet north climate-wise.
Practical-Ordinary-6@reddit
How far north can you go that stays hot all year? I think you'd be surprised about how not very far that is for most of the country. Even North Florida is not hot all year. You have to get down to mid Florida and South Florida for it to be consistently warm and even then they get cold periods in mid-Florida and even the occasional freezing temperatures.
The average January low temperature in Lake City, Florida which is near the Georgia border in North Florida, is 42° F, which is 5.5° C. That's not especially cold by Northern standards but it's far beyond hoodie weather for most people. It definitely comes with the expectation of a heated home. You couldn't expect to sell a home there without heat. The coldest temperature there last winter was 20° F, which is -7° C.
DrShadowstrike@reddit
Eastern Washington is pretty warm year-round, and its pretty far north.
jephph_@reddit
Probably somewhere around Orlando, FL
2Asparagus1Chicken@reddit
Relevant map
https://reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/1ezeu9j/us_comfortable_temperature_days_5085f_or_1029c/
Remarkable_Table_279@reddit
Pensacola Florida had some bitter cold days when I lived there. So more southern than thatÂ
Mayor_of_BBQ@reddit
South Carolina, middle Tennessee, a strip of North Carolina from Charlotte to the beach
on the west side, central california
as for the inverse, a place like oklahoma is pretty dang south for such shit winters
pah2000@reddit
Corpus Christi. We didnât have winter this year!
Alert-Algae-6674@reddit
Furthest south is Rio Grande Valley in Texas. They have no mountains to block cold air in winter so occasionally they can get cold days
_netflixandshill@reddit
Fairbanks, AK can get pretty hot in the summer.
JackYoMeme@reddit
Furthest south you can go and see harsh winters is going to be a mountain in New Mexico. You can get snow and harsh winters south of Mexico city.
pixievixie@reddit
Yep, there's a volcano in Jalisco called the "snow volcano" because it's snow covered almost year round (it's not an active volcano, the fire volcano next to it is the active one with no snow!) Heck, even Popocatépetl had snow on it when I drove by last year, and was actively blowing smoke;
Adorable_Dust3799@reddit
I'm in san diego. House in town never ever gets snow. In fact i unplugged the heater decades ago and pretty much don't close the windows. Cabin in the mountains, still in san diego county, gets snow. Most years they close stretches of the freeway for hours die to the combination of ice, wind, and hills. Not quite what you'd call harsh, but the north end of the county in the mountains definitely gets enough snow to shut down most winters. A little altitude can make a crazy difference. The highest mountain in the lower 48 is just miles from the lowest point, and the weather varies to match.
UpbeatPhilosophySJ@reddit
California Pacifiic Coast basically avoids winter in any major way. Just dry and wet season. I'd stay at or below around the San Francisco area and think south. Inland it actually does stay pretty hot, too hot. Doesn't snow in any major way until you get to the Sierra Mountains (bordering Nevada).
FunkMastaUno@reddit
I've def seen snow in the mountains surrounding San Jose. At least once a year.
UpbeatPhilosophySJ@reddit
I'm in San Jose right now. The snow barely lasts. This is the best month for the area, all year. Typically around 70. Wonderful. But plenty of other good days. My house doesn't even have real insulation.
FunkMastaUno@reddit
Yeah San Jo has great weather outside of a few weeks when it gets into the 90s plus. But yeah I remember driving up on Hicks road (where that cube is up on top of the mountain) and it started snowing and everything was white. I took a u turn back down as fast as I could lol.
UpbeatPhilosophySJ@reddit
Hicks Road. You mean where the albinos live.
FunkMastaUno@reddit
Lol yup
Key_Set_7249@reddit
The problem is the Ohio Valley region has imposter syndrome, sometimes we get very mild, almost Florida like days, other times it gets down to negative temps for multiple days with heavy snow.
I have also worn a Sweatshirt more than once at night while visiting Orlando FL in the winter.
Sarcastic_Rocket@reddit
What do you define as "Hot" and "Harsh"
To me hot means 80+, year round you aren't finding that in the US anywhere, Hawaii, Texas, Florida, drop under that. San Diego can and doesn't get above 70° in some weeks in the winters
I've moved to the Boston area and in five years I have seen 1 harsh winter so in a few years the answer might be Boston
DartDaimler@reddit
Also, north/south isnât as important as elevation, inland or coastal, etc.
Ok_Bar4002@reddit
Snow in Seattle might stick every other year. If you stick to the pacific you can get into Canada without regular snow concerns. I mean youâll see the snow out your window on the mountains due to the geography but you wonât have snow at your house. Similarly. You can get snow in boarder states like Arizona and New Mexico on the regular if you live at elevation.
Ok_Bar4002@reddit
And by stick, I mean 2-3 days every other winter snow will be on the sidewalk and grass. But the city never has snow piled up like the sidewalks in other states (or even the other side of the state). Itâs not warm by any means but itâs not winter.
TrenbalonieSandwich@reddit
I describe the weather as, "sissy drizzle "Â
Not quite sure if it wants to rain (or snow). Not quite sure if it doesn't want to.Â
DrBlankslate@reddit
Our climate isn't just divided north-south. It's also divided east-west. The answer is not as simple as the one you're looking for.
GlobalTapeHead@reddit
For the end of harsh winters, as far as east coast goes, once you get to north Florida or about where the Florida- Georgia line is, itâs light jacket weather in the winter months south of that.
DartDaimler@reddit
Climate change is real. What was true 50 years ago is not true today; when I worked in Texas in the early 80s, the area shut down over a 1â snowfall; people were afraid to drive on it because theyâd never seen snow. The past few winters, large parts of the state have had significant snow and ice and thousands of people were without power.
Frosty_Employment171@reddit
southern florida and the rio grande valley in texas stay warm pretty much watm year round. add san diego california to the list.
flip side? north texas has harsh winters and torrid summers. i think the hottest, most uncomfortable summer i spent was in washington dc which also has real winters.
NoForm5443@reddit
It heavily depends on your definition of hot, harsh, and how much variance you allow.
For example, there was a snow storm in Florida in 2025, and San Diego had flurries in 2008. OTOH, average winter lows in Florida are in the 40's
YerekYeeter@reddit
Define harsh winter
zeroabe@reddit
Maryland.
JanuriStar@reddit
Define hot? If you mean summer temps, then S. Florida. Everywhere else gets chilly. You can only find homes in S. FL and Hawai'i that don't come with heat. Everywhere else you'll need heat during the cooler months.
CarelessCreamPie@reddit
If you wait long enough, everywhere will be hot all year long đ
JadedDreams23@reddit
Southern California or southern Florida are the only places in the 48 that are warm year round. Iâve lived in the Deep South for over fifty years and itâs still pretty cold in the winter, gets below freezing multiple nights each winter and the days will be in the 40s for the most part.
Maddad_666@reddit
If you find out, tell us. Weâll all move there.
Courwes@reddit
Probably Kentucky or Tennessee for the south that gets the harshest winters. Stays hot year round? Arizona would probably be the furthest north. Iâd say Texas but north Texas can get quite cold in the winter. Thatâs excluding the occasional snow.
Nawoitsol@reddit
Even South Texas got hit with the Rafael Cruz Big Freeze. Every county in Texas was under the winter storm warning and all of them were included in the disaster declaration.
Educational-Big-6609@reddit
Hot year âround? Maybe West Palm Beach? Even Orlando and Tampa are cool in the wintertime (especially Orlando).
Harsh winters? Maybe Flagstaff or Albuquerque?
dgmilo8085@reddit
72 degrees year round in Southern California
uhbkodazbg@reddit
The Texas panhandle can have some pretty crazy winter weather.
K0T_666@reddit
Safety tip : Stay out of the tropics.