New here. Starting to stockpile
Posted by RiseTraditional7@reddit | preppers | View on Reddit | 93 comments
I am a stay at home mom and I’m new to all things prepper. I’m not sure where to start but looking at the global situation it seems like food shortages, gaps in supply/quality and price increases are inevitable. I used to have a mini stockpile (I would buy lots of something on sale for savings not necessarily in preparation for anything) but we live in a condo with a young toddler and the lack of space in our makeshift pantry annoyed my husband. We are now on the same page and I’m not sure where to begin with the couple hours a day I have available to research.
My first priority is clean water. I was going to get cases of water from Costco but I was reading about long term water storage so I was thinking about getting a Lifestraw mission but the storage part is where I am getting a bit overwhelmed. I don’t know if these containers are expensive or if I’m just looking in the wrong places.
For food my current shopping list is rice, pasta, flour, oats, canned meats, frozen fruits, nuts, cooking oil. My husband mentioned beans which I understand are cheap and have a long shelf life but I have never been able to eat them without feeling nauseous. I’m sure I haven’t eaten every kind of bean but I completely avoid eating them.
All advice and suggestions are appreciated!!
Internal_Time7941@reddit
You said "... looking at the global situation it seems like food shortages, gaps in supply/quality and price increases are inevitable" This is all speculation, depending on what country/village you live in you deal with this everyday already. If you live in a place like Florida that is frequently hit by Hurricanes, you may also already experience this every few years. You can't prep your way out of a "last of us" collapse especially if you are a 1st worlder. The people groups most likely to survive your scenario are the people groups that already live in a collapsed society or have never lived in a modern day culture, think pakistan/afghanistan villages where they farm the land and live in mud huts. Build your 30 day food/water supply a generator to get you through any short term power outages. Any long term societal 1st world collapse and you will see those with survival training and a red meat mentality (think community formed militias) survive the longest by taking what they need from those that have what they need. In this last scenario, you are either the hunter or the hunted.
Leromak@reddit
Your preparations should depend on the anticipated disaster scenario. You live in a condo, which means you're in the city. This also means you have limited space for supplies. For this type of situation, I usually stocked up canned food and cereals for about a month's stay. Drinking water and battery power for a few days. This covered both the "acute disaster for a few days" and "long-term low-level crisis" scenarios. In any case, if water doesn't appear within a few days or the food issue isn't resolved within a month, the urban sector will become a death zone. So, stockpiling food should be considered as a resource for surviving the acute phase of a disaster. Nothing more.
adhd_mechanic@reddit
Personally I store a lot of black beans,. They're REALLY good for you, store well, and are a great way to "bulk up" things like chili, rice dishes, etc. Most recipes that call for ground beef, I reduce the beef by 50% and make up the rest with black beans (depending on the dish).
That said, it also took me a long time to learn how to cook them in a way I liked.
ElectronGuru@reddit
Pressure cookers are magic with dry beans. No planning, no soaking, no guessing. As easy as cooking rice.
Just find the smallest electronic unit you can
wageslave2022@reddit
I heard that you had to soak and drain kidney beans and boil to avoid getting sick, has anyone else heard of this?
ElectronGuru@reddit
There’s a toxin called phytohaemagglutinin, which can cause severe nausea, vomiting, and diarrhea. But it’s easily destroyed by heat, something pressure cookers excel at.
EnergyLantern@reddit
If you put your produce in water with baking soda for five minutes, it should remove pesticides and any chemicals on it.
Radiac Wash is a commercial name for a product that does the same thing.
wageslave2022@reddit
Completely different animal, dried kidney beans are a breed of their own
wageslave2022@reddit
Canned kidney beans are already prepared to avoid this. Many people are unaware
Bugsy_A@reddit
Have you ever made blackbean brownies? Good way to get beans into kids that are picky eaters. I recommend them highly.
ImpossibleVegan2022@reddit
Yes, sooo good and you don’t taste the beans at ALL!
Excellent-Effect-931@reddit
What do you plan to use as a cooking source?
IamNana71@reddit
Depends on the situation actually.
Excellent-Effect-931@reddit
Do tell? Do you have more than one?
IamNana71@reddit
Depends on situation. Economic crisis, early, I wouldn't hesitate to cook outside or inside. Grid down situation, I would cook outside like many others, but be prepared to cook inside as the smell of grilling/cooking food carries. There are ways to cook inside safely with proper ventilation in grid down situations, where you want to keep things on the down low so to speak.
Excellent-Effect-931@reddit
I am thinking about oil and those tablets. tbh I am only prepared for 30 days.
IamNana71@reddit
I try and buy rice or beans weekly and a couple cans of vegetables that I know we will eat. Once or twice a month I add some canned meat.
As for cooking, I received a coleman camping stove dor Christmas several years ago. Since then I purchase a butane burner which I use a few times a year for frying chicken and recently purchased a butterfly stove which runs on kerosene. We use kerosene heat in winter to supplement (old house, old system, temp dips below 15 furnace can't keep up), so I always have kerosene available for use also.
Excellent-Effect-931@reddit
Are you stockpiling kerosene?
IamNana71@reddit
I wouldn't call it stockpiling, but I have several 5 gallon containers. Nothing worse than needing it and not having it.
Excellent-Effect-931@reddit
That part.
IamNana71@reddit
I use to fill 5 gallon blue containers at gas station, but our local station stopped carrying kerosene. Now I buy the clean burning kerosene from pur small town hardware store and the burn difference is wild. Burns much cleaner and much less smell which is important when using indoors.
I pay more for the hardware store stuff, but when I used the other one that I pumped, I could barely handle the smell, even when upstairs with door closed. Also, like non ethanol gas, it seems to still be good, even after sitting in garage for over a year.
Excellent-Effect-931@reddit
I have been reading about alcohol burners. Thought that might be easy to store.
Mcshroomie@reddit
Rivian hot plate! 😂
Excellent-Effect-931@reddit
One can dream.
-Thizza-@reddit
When you soak them overnight, throw in a pinch of baking soda. Next day you drain, wash and cook them in new water. The cooking time reduces and the skins and inside are much more soft.
Rheila@reddit
Even easier and quicker in a pressure cooker and no pre-soak necessary. After 20+ years of cooking beans I only learned this a couple years ago. Game changer!
ddbou@reddit
I have MCAS and all kinds of digestive issues. I have to both soak AND pressure cook dried beans for me to be able to tolerate them.
I soak my beans for nearly 24 hours, and I change the water two times over that time period. I also add the baking soda to the first soak.
Then I pressure cook in an InstantPot. After the beans are cooled, they go straight in the freezer to reduce histamine.
Round_Try_9883@reddit
Great info!!
Rheila@reddit
One of my best friends also has MCAS. I think you’re the only other person I have encountered (that I know of) dealing with it. Finding safe foods has been such a challenge for her. I’m glad you have found a safe way to eat beans, even if it is quite the process to get them to the point you can eat them.
serenwipiti@reddit
Black beans are the GOAT!
KTeacherWhat@reddit
People already mentioned lentils but it's also worth buying some dried peas and seeing how you do with those. They store well and cook up quickly just like lentils, without the need for soaking.
I also buy one container of dehydrated vegetable soup mix once every couple of years. I started with two, one to store and one to use, and then when I use one up, I buy another and open the stored one. I make a lot of chicken broth and use the soup mix when I'm making soup, but it's a nice veggie mix and stores for ten years. Because I store so much chicken broth, I also keep Bear Creek soup mixes around. Watch for when they're on sale and buy a couple. It's nice for variety and adds some needed calories if things go south.
If there's any bit of land or a patio at your disposal, planting your onion roots is a good way to start a renewable garden.
Skimmington16@reddit
There are things called “walking onions” that essentially reseed themselves that might be a good option for little fuss.
Complex_Material_702@reddit
Fire extinguisher
HostSea4267@reddit
If you want stackable, easy, and long lasting, I'd go with something more like: https://mountainhouse.com/collections/adventure-meal-buckets?srsltid=AfmBOoqKHmXSDL4cDvD7c7hD6lOnuyTE0ETD6rNrrF9waTIrIHr4mWnM
It's worth buying a sampler to try out flavors.
A lot of folks also go for MREs, but I'm not sure about the timelines for those meals.
EnergyLantern@reddit
A lot of people prefer bright flashlights but they drain the battery and the runtimes are different but you do want a flashlight or lantern that will have a moonlight mode and a low lumens mode and also last a long long time.
I found solar lanterns that come with a small lithium battery and stay on all night in the summer.
You basically need to think about water, heat, food and shelter.
Some people believe it is risky to shelter in place so they believe in being to leave and pick up resources later. It is a different way of thinking.
Putrid-Argument-8943@reddit
I’m also a SAHM!! Welcome to the community :)
SoundmanFil@reddit
Here’s my rule, don’t stockpile something that you wouldn’t already eat. I don’t wanna deal with the extra stress during an emergency.
Resident-Welcome3901@reddit
Water storage is challenging, because water is bulky, plastic containers are flimsy and leach chemicals, metal containers corrode, and stagnant water grows stuff. Plan on storing a gallon per person per day, for a period of three to seven days, and rotate Your water using the deep Pantry method. Develop a plan for harvesting water-neighborhood streams or lakes, rainwater collection, irrigation well. Add a couple of methods of water purification: distillation equipment, unscented bleach, hiking water filter, millbank bag. Remember that your water heater has forty gallons of potable water in it.
Aggressive-Nail-2701@reddit
Which distillation equipment and hiking water filter do you typically use?
Resident-Welcome3901@reddit
MSR mini works or Katadyn , sawyer filters, lifestraw .
nunya-1964@reddit
I’m pretty new too. I just started a bin with some basics. I got pool shock to purify water. I’m not sure that’s the best way. I have some solar lanterns, a fire starter, crank radio, solar charger , and some very thick trash bags that look more like fabric than plastic. Haven’t started food collection yet because I’m moving in a few months. Hopefully I won’t regret waiting
Texasghost3@reddit
I just bought some water bricks the 1.6 gallon. So my wife can carry those. I'll probably buy the aquabricks since those have better handles.
SiggySiggy69@reddit
My suggestion is to expand your pantry. By this I mean to make a list of your staples (the things you eat often) then just buy one or two extra each time you shop.
An example is that my wife and I eat rice and beans a lot, it stretches meals and is healthy. When I find beans and rice on sale I just grab 1-2 extra. Once I have enough to last me 6 months as I open a bag I just replace it the next time I’m at the store.
anthonykaram7@reddit
You're already thinking about the right priorities - just don't try to solve everything at once.
For water, keep it simple: a few cases from Costco or grocery store + a couple of sturdy 5-7 gallon containers is a great start. Add a basic filter like a Lifestraw or similar later - storage first, filtration second. Aim for \~1 g/person per day for at least a week.
For food, your list is solid. Focus on stuff you already eat and rotate it (use it, replace it). In a condo, think "dense and stackable": rice, pasta, canned goods, peanut butter, shelf-stable milk, etc. You don't have to do beans, or can do less since only your husband will eat them! Lentils or chickpeas might be worth testing in small amounts, but it's optional.
Big picture: build a 1-week buffer first, then 2 weeks, then a month. Consistency beats perfection, especially with limited space.
randynumbergenerator@reddit
I'm not a huge fan of Lifestraw just because of the straw-ish form factor. It's a bit limiting vs a Sawyer or similar that offers more flexibility with the filter setup. But at the end of the day, better some kind of filter vs none.
anthonykaram7@reddit
Yep, agree there are more versatile formats out there. Just mentioned Lifestraw as it's a well-known brand.
shoneone@reddit
Yes and the rotation is crucial, store water but cycle through refreshing a portion every week, store food but as part of your pantry rather than as a sealed bunker
Excellent-Effect-931@reddit
I assume we can keep water for years if we have to tablets on hand to clean it?
Skoalmintpouches@reddit
There are some products like these copper ion drops that will keep it good for 5+ years
Katesouthwest@reddit
Add honey, different types of salt, cornstarch, bread flour, and all purpose flour to your list.
There are two websites I have followed for years: organicprepper and foodstoragemoms. Both often have articles on food, recipes, and what to store. There is a current article on one of them about the most important 30 food items to start stocking up on.
ShoshiOpti@reddit
I suggest getting wheat berries instead of flour, lasts way longer, cheaper in bulk, better for you, and not hard to use with a decent grinder.
MNConcerto@reddit
If you can't stomach beans try lentils. Also store well and are full of protein.
Rheila@reddit
As for ideas for food storage. These are the items I store because they are what we eat:
Flour (for baking)
Hard Red Wheat (for grain salads mostly, I could mill to bake in a pinch)
Basmati Rice
Sushi Rice
Rye (same scenario as the wheat)
Barley (I use it in soups, roasted vegetable salads, and cooked as a breakfast grain. I learned it didn’t spike my blood glucose much at all when I had gestational diabetes.)
Rolled Oats (oatmeal, refrigerator oats, filler for burgers, meatloaf, etc, baking)
Buckwheat (breakfast option instead of oatmeal)
Popcorn (a favorite snack)
Noodles and Pasta (convenient meals)
Chia
Sesame
Flax
All my beans I store as dried beans, not canned…
Green lentils (don’t need a precook and faster to cook than beans, I use them a LOT)
Split red lentils (don’t need a precook and faster to cook than beans, I use them a LOT)
Chickpeas (top used legume along with lentils)
Black beans
Kidney beans
Pinto or Navy beans (my least used beans)
Peanut butter
Sugar
Salt
Cocoa
An absolutely ludicrous amount of spices because I cook with them all, all the time.
Molasses
Honey
Maple syrup (I’m Canadian, what can I say?)
Cooking Oil
Olive Oil
Sesame Oil
Coffee (whole bean, stays fresher longer)
Teas. Lots and lots of different teas.
Balsamic vinegar
White vinegar
Apple Cider Vinegar
Mayonnaise
Yellow and Dijon Mustard
Horseradish
Relish
Canned jalapeños
Canned fruit
Dried fruit
Canned tuna
Canned salmon
Chilis in adobo
Powdered chicken stock
Dried mushrooms
Condensed milk (I hate having my coffee without cream and it does in a pinch if we run out. I am not making a trip to town just for cream.)
Canned coconut milk. Mostly curries, I prefer it to cream is rose sauces for pasta, and hot & sour soup.
I used to keep the powdered beef stock too, but now I just keep the concentrate in my fridge mostly. I could do without in a long term power outage.
Canned chili (for quick easy meal, I can absolutely make it from my pantry too.)
Canned soups (again, quick easy meal. 99% of the time I just make it from my pantry)
Gochujang (refrigerated)
Miso (refrigerated)
Potatoes, onions, garlic, winter squash… all long keeping fresh options.
There is nothing I store I’m not regularly using and rotating.
A large garden and frozen vegetables (reason I don’t list canned vegetables)
Chickens for eggs, and then the “farm” (primarily saskatoon berries and highland cattle… reason I don’t list meats.)
bettyarturo@reddit
This list is crazy long and intimidating for a newbie. I'm speaking for myself and not op, plus op said they have limited space in their condo, not clear as written how we would store all that
wageslave2022@reddit
Try lentils instead of beans.
majordashes@reddit
I started prepping just like you, as a frugal mom, stockpiling items I found at drastic discounts. I built up a stash over time. If I found Planter’s peanuts for 50 cents, I bought ten.
I’m sure you know the drill!
With that said, I would buy ONLY what your family uses and likes. Forget about stocking up on beans. If you don’t like them, don’t bother buying them. A crisis won’t make you like beans. 😃
The coming crisis, due to the Strait of Hormuz closure and a widening Iran war, will involve worsening inflation and supply-chain glitches.
This means it’s important to buy at today’s lower prices so you’re not forced to need so much when things are expensive. And also, you may not be able to get many things due to supply-chain disruptions and shelves being wiped out if everyone is panic buying, which is likely.
So buy what your family likes and will use. Buy multiples to build that cushion at lower prices.
If you have the time, start shopping multiple stores and looking for deals. Treat it like a job. You’re a savings-stockpile girly, so you know how to do this. I’ve been going to different stores, scouring for discounted items and looking at clearance sections. I’ve found many things reduced because people are really cutting back and stores have excess inventory. I really look at those price tags, on shelves and in the refrigerated and freezer section.
I also study the grocery flyers, sales and online promotions, and buy the loss leaders—the really cheap stuff they use to lure you into the store. Make lists for each store to hit your targets.
Also, buy fruit and veggies in season when they’re cheap and freeze. Yesterday, I found strawberries at Aldi for $1.67 lb. I bought several pounds, sliced and froze them for smoothies. A good way to get vitamins and the benefits of fruit for cheap. I also freeze orange sections and watermelon chunks in bags or a big plastic container and use for smoothies later.
When I find cheap onions, green pepper or broccoli, I chop and freeze to use in quiche, pasta, soups, stir fry. Red peppers were $1 and I bought 10, diced and froze. Perfect in scrambled eggs or stir fry. I also buy cheap, fresh spinach, freeze in a big bag and smash with a hammer. I pour the frozen, spinach bits into smoothies, eggs, pastas, soups.
Also, i find lots of discounts in the meat and seafood department. People are cutting back on expensive meat and seafood and often packages will have red “manager special” stickers, with 50% or more discounts. This month I found $2.99 hamburger, half-price frozen shrimp and $1.99 ground turkey. I also noticed boneless, skinless chicken breast was $2.29 lb at Aldi this week. I stocked up, wrapped it in butcher paper and put in freezer.
My find of the week was 59 cent lbs of store brand unsalted butter. You never know what you’ll find!
And don’t skip the pricier stores. The priciest store in my area often has the best markdowns. I think more people are avoiding these stores and often deep discounts can be found because these stores have excess inventory.
Asian and Hispanic grocery stores are great too. Bulk ramen noodles are cheaper and large bags of rice are less per pound.
If you belong to Costco, there are always markdowns there too. They heavily discount items they’re phasing out. You just have to hunt!
I’d start by making a list of what your family likes and eats regularly. Start buying multiples and checking off your progress.
Here’s a list of general items to consider:
Peanut butter Oatmeal Breakfast cereal Shelf-stable almond, oat and coconut milks (Trader Joes/Dollar Tree has the cheapest) Pasta, pasta sauce Orzo Brown rice/white rice Rice packets which include seasonings Canned tuna, chicken, salmon Soups Canned chili Canned Dinty Moore beef stew, chicken and dumplings, tamales Ramen noodles Cooking oils, non-stick sprays, olive oil Spices like pepper, garlic powder, onion powder, taco seasoning, ginger, dill, paprika, ranch powder, Italian seasoning packets, onion soup packets, etc. Condiments, BBQ sauce, soy sauce, mustard, ranch dressing, Italian dressing Basic baking ingredients like sugar, flour, baking soda, salt, baking powder, brown sugar, vanilla, Protein bars, cereal bars Nuts like peanuts, almonds, cashews, mixed Trail mixes Canned veggies, carrots, peas, potatoes, green beans, tomatoes and tomato sauces. Instant Potato flakes Canned fruits Coffee, powdered creamer Powdered drink mixed, teas Juices Snacks, such as chips, cookies, graham crackers, crackers, pretzels Chocolate, candies, chocolate chips for baking. Loose popcorn, seasonings. Pet foods, treats
Non-food TP Shampoo, conditioner, Deodorant Feminine supplies Toothpaste Toothbrushes Laundry soap Bleach Household cleaners (cheapest at Dollar Tree)
Best to you! Happy shopping. Just take it one day at a time! I hope you can find some great deals. Very good news that your husband is on board!
mrs_adhd@reddit
It's not stockpiling, but I'm trying out new to me low-cost recipes from all kinds of sources and building a collection of tested, yummy, and inexpensive pantry meals.
Klutzy_Evening8116@reddit
If you have a tub, strong suggest a Waterbob. Especially in a city, chances are you will be stuck in your apt for a while. The water out of the tap is potable for the first couple days after a power outages. We used ours several times after weather knocked out power for weeks.
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I thinks life straw is a great idea and all our go-bags have one.
Think_Cupcake6758@reddit
My best advice is to store what you eat and eat what you store. In a SHTF situation, you’re most likely not going to start eating beans and oatmeal unless it’s already part of your weekly or even monthly routine and you can consider that wasted space and $.
Living in a condo can be challenging space-wise but you probably have storage options you haven’t thought of. Under beds, the bottom of closets, under or behind the couch etc all come to mind. I recall seeing where someone stacked cases of water, threw a table cloth over it and called it an end table!
Efficient_Wing3172@reddit
Store any shelf stable foods that you actually eat. Don’t get into expensive meal buckets or anything like that.
345joe370@reddit
I've thought about those 5 gallon water bottles from the grocery store and a dispenser. Maybe swipe a storage rack or two for them.
Used_Elderberry8739@reddit
Only store what you will eat. If you can’t eat beans get something else otherwise you’re possibly wasting money.
etherlinkage@reddit
Welcome and congrats on getting started. The wiki is an incredible resource.
LTTP2018@reddit
Dollar store near me has gallons of Alpine water.
and dry beans and rice. also canned beans with no weird ingredients.
PrisonerV@reddit
25lb bag of rice in a 5 gallon food-safe bucket.
Then a decent rice cooker. I prefer zojirushi as the Japanese know how to cook rice properly. It also has a cut oats cooking feature, which I've used with the timer. We have rice several times a week as we prep what we eat and eat what we prep.
A good home cook is worth their weight in gold, especially if you can do large batches and meal prep with leftovers. I got some glass meal prep containers with sealing plastic lids and I put leftovers in them and freeze. They make for great lunches the next week or two or a meal for a family member if you don't want to cook.
ManyARiver@reddit
Have you tried eating lentils or split peas? Those can be a bit more digestible, less tough on the stomach if you aren't used to the high fiber of beans. They are cheap, and actually cook a lot faster than the bigger dried beans.
dawn_thesis@reddit
you can get canned meat on amazon, and walmart's Tasty Bite Indian food has changed my excitement for eating stored food :D
Spiley_spile@reddit
I also recommend checking out r/twoxpreppers! It's a primarily women's prepper group. Ive found subscribing but here at r/preppers and there to be of great value.
To help prioritoze what to prep, a lot of preppers build for a scenario. For example, because of where I live, Im preparing for a 9.0 mega earthquake that takes the grid down for 30 days of temporary SHTF (institutional collapse).
I agree with you. Water is one of our very most important preps. We can die in just 2-3 days without water. Especially given that diarrhea commonly follows the poor sanitation conditions and stress following major catastrophies.
For that scenario's water storage, I currently have 50 gallons on hand. (1 gallon, per person, per day.) with 20 gallon buffer to help neighbors while we locate additional resources for them. Most of this water is stored in 5 gallon containers. In winter, the water is reduced by 3/4. If we get a deep freeze, reducing the amountbof water in each container will keep the containers from burst from ice expansion.
I also keep water purification tablets capable of purifying 150 gallons of water, between Katadyn Mp1 Micropur tablets and Aqua tabs (or something similarly named at least).
I also have the means to boil water if the power goes out with my camping equipment.
And I have a Sawyer Squeeze water filter.
Hollow micro fiber filters like Lifestraws and Sawyer Squeeze are very vulnerable to freezing temperatures, and can break without being obvious. They are also limited in what they can do for water. Many disasters lead to heavy metal contamination of wells, streams, rivers, and lakes. We may also encounter an increase in volatile organic chemicals. Neither of those filters, nor water purification tablets will cover those two types of contaminants. But, they will still protect us from many things, for much of the year. So they are worth keeping on hand. But, their shortcomings are why I like to keep potable water on hand in containers.
As for where to begin, cover the basics first. Your government likely maintains a website with a list of recommended, minimum preparedness. If youre in the US, that's located at Ready.gov. And your regional government likely maintains a list as well, more specifically suited to your region of the country.
Once youve covered your national and regional basic preparedness supplies, move outward. Starting with whatever scenarios you have in mind, preparing for things that have the highest probability aka frequency of local occurence first, and building outward to less probably scenarios of concern for you.
And dont neglect to skill build! Buying supplies is important. But knowing how to use all of those supplies effectively, for example, first aid supplies, is essential.
Good luck and welcome!
sgtPresto@reddit
You are correct actually skipjack is better because it is smaller and therefore consumes less mercury.
ZedisonSamZ@reddit
Water is the most important and most difficult for long term storage when living in densely populated areas or small homes. But a Life straw is a good temporary fix. Make note of water sources around you and test those for heavy metals before including them in your SHTF (shit hits the fan) plans. Look up the grape vine/ muscadine vine/pine branch water filtration method if you have access to those. Or the plastic bottle filtration method. Or the dew/condensation collection methods. Always boil the water after filtering. I’ve personally had success filtering water through muscadine vines as well as collecting condensation through evaporation using two water bowls and the sun. All you need is one large bowl and a bowl half that size that fits inside it by circumstance and height, plastic wrap (like Saranwrap) and a small rock. Put the large bowl in the sun and pour the dirty water in it about halfway. Then place a smaller bowl in that water in the middle of the large bowl. Stretch and secure the plastic across the top and then place a smallish rock on top of the plastic and centered above the middle bowl. As the sun causes the water to evaporate from the big bowl, the evaporated water will rise and collect on the plastic above and form water droplets. Because you have a rock that causes a slight dip due to its weight, those water droplets will be pulled by gravity to the center and drip down into the empty middle bowl. It is crude and can take a while but it doesn’t hurt to know how to do that.
I would invest in a Food Saver so you can vacuum seal things for longer term storage and save space. I have about 3 years worth of coffee beans, rice and flour that are vacuum sealed and stack flat rather than in bulky bags. It is also helpful to store leftovers a bit longer to save money instead of wasting it or having to eat it so soon.
It can feel overwhelming trying to prepare for so many contingencies, especially when we all know food costs are going to skyrocket soon. But one thing to keep in mind is that this is not going to happen all at once. There’s not a need yet to make a run to buy every single thing you think you will need right this minute. Start thinking about what your family will eat and need in short term emergency situations like flashlights for power outages. Also temporary medical relief like basic first aid supplies, rubbing alcohol for cleaning, etc. As far as cooking, get a small Coleman camping stove and a couple bottles of propane so you can cook at least one hot meal a day if there are multiple days without power.
For example, this past winter we had an ice storm in our area with sub zero temperatures. Something as simple as a small roll of bubble wrap to tape over your windows can make a massive difference in keeping heat in your home and the cold out.
theextraolive@reddit
Does your apartment allowed for caged pets?
Meat rabbits are always my #1 suggestion!
Along with that, I would focus on securing oils and tallows.
Do you have a balcony? Could you grow vertically out there?
I would suggest getting some freezers, even if you have to park them in a bedroom. Frozen is the most nutrient dense way of storing food.
2quickdraw@reddit
As someone who raises meat rabbits, you do not want to have them inside your house. They make a lot of urine and it's intense. If you have a condo with a back patio they're very quiet, you can have a buck and two does and make a fair amount of meat, but you need to be able to dispatch and butcher without alerting the neighbors, and you need enough room for grow-outs. They are good for meat and fertilizer both. They provide the highest protein meat you can get, and their fertilizer is the only one that can be used directly in the garden without composting, because it's considered a cool manure.
Rheila@reddit
I raised meat rabbits and I can’t imagine doing it without 3 hutches. We kept one for the does, one for the buck (when not with the does,) and one for growing out. I’m not sure how many condos have a patio big enough to fit that setup, but where there’s a will there’s a way. Could maybe stack them vertically?
2quickdraw@reddit
KW or Kagewerks has three stackers that I use, they are Series 4000 sized 30x36x18 with the heavy gauge floors. I have a covered and air conditioned rabbitry on the side of my house that holds 12 cages and I have 8 on my patio. They need to be out of the sun, protected from weather and have good access to fresh air.
You are correct that it is not at all a good idea to leave adults together. I can keep growouts together until about 10 weeks before they really start fighting, and then I have to separate them. I can put the bucks in one KW and the does in another for a few more weeks, but the bucks will continue to fight. I process between 12 and 16 weeks.
Rheila@reddit
I store water multiple ways. Some are not applicable to a condo (pond/dugout, 115gal cistern in basement…) but some are.
5 gal bottles. I refill several of these periodically with chlorinated tap water when I am in town. Our well has arsenic and refilling with the reverse osmosis would take forever. No need for anything expensive here. Just the regular 5 gal bottles that are sold everywhere (grocery store, Canadian tire, home hardware etc. You don’t need to refill at their stations. Tap water is fine as long as you rotate occasionally. If your tap water isn’t chlorinated you can add a bit of bleach, just look up the ratios. We use these for convenience if our well has problems. Our first winter, when it was -40, our well was out of commission for 2 weeks while we figured out how to fix it. A 5 gal bottle lasted our family of 4 about 2-3 days for cooking/drinking only. But we also use them shorter term (example) if a kid leaves the tap on and runs our cistern dry, our well is low producing so it trickle fills it and we could be without water for a couple hours.
Longer term than a couple of weeks, we would be filtering the pond/dugout. There is only so much you can realistically fit it a small space.
Keep in mind canned goods, home canned or bought, contain a lot of water too. Fruit canned in water instead of syrup can provide some hydration too. Just don’t drain the water. Same with soup/stock etc too.
GooseGosselin@reddit
I went with freeze dried, long shelf life so you don't have to rotate or refrigerate. A bucket of Quick Oats might be a good place to start. I went with a Katadyn water filter, but Lifestraws are great. Also consider a cooking source, particularly if you only have an electric stove, I went with this alcohol stove and I keep a few jugs of methyl hydrate from the hardware store for fuel.
sgtPresto@reddit
Remember the adage for food storage --Calculate & Diversify. Each adult male will require about 2200 calories a day. Each adult female will need 2000. Children (tweets and below) need 1800. Total your family daily caloric needs. Now total the container calories. For example look at calories per serving times the number of servings for a total of calories per container. You can Google calories per 10 pounds of rice or sugar etc. Now divide your family caloric needs into your total stored calories and that is the number of days you have on hand. Add accordingly. Believe me from experience, food fatigue is not pleasant. Outside of Christmas, Thanksgiving and two other weeks , i lived off C Rations for an entire year in Vietnam. Even with a variety of 12, C Rats got boring. Add variety. Store seasonings, flavor packs, hot sauce, gravy packets, etc. Diversify types of legumes like black beans, lentils, pinto, etc. Switch out white rice for basmati. When buying tuna...get Albacore (better than tuna anyway), salmon, etc. Store what you need--but eat what you store.
2quickdraw@reddit
Albacore is tuna. The problem with albacore is you shouldn't eat it more than once a week, because it's one of the biggest fish predators so it consolidates mercury from the smaller fish it eats. Salmon is cleaner.
canoegal4@reddit
Start a garden and grow food. This is a great prepping skill
java231@reddit
Sounds like your on a good start! Water is key. A life straw or similar is pretty cheap and easy, if you fill a bathtub etc.
Try chickpeas, good protein and easy to cook. I love black beans, have lots of them in cans. But dry lasts longer.
I like the spice ideas. I have lots of random stuff and more sirracha than I care to admit.
dan_who@reddit
If beans don't work for you, would these alternatives work? Peas, split peas, any form of lentil. Very similar to beans as far as storage goes. If it's a texture thing and not something else about beans that bothers you, these all have slightly different textures.
If all legumes are out, maybe consider finding a ways to work nuts or seeds. Flax and chia both have a decent shelf life and you can easily work those into oatmeal or bread.
BeneficialMountain50@reddit
Case of water is great but intead I suggest you get a 55 gallon drum that's safe for food and fill it with water and get some filters. Depends on your storage tho. Also look into dense food with variation of nutrients that don't take much space. Beans, Oats, Barley, wheat, rice, tallow, etc. Do have a BOB and IFAK. Use mylar bags. Just please make sure you have a kit ready to go.
Bugsy_A@reddit
You'd be surprised what you are willing to eat if it comes down to hunger. Bean are bland and i know lots of ppl don't like them but they are a stable substitute for missing protein normally gotten through meat.
You can't count on your freezer if things go south and power is an issue. You'll be eating all that stuff 1st before it spoils.
As for water. We keep cases of water under the bed. When we shop we push a case under on my wife's side and what sticks out on my side gets drank. This will make sure your water is getting rotated and will let you see how long that case lasts during normal use so you can estimate how long your bed water will last your family.
7o7A1@reddit
soak the beans and all the legumes and such overnight. that will take care of some unwanted enzimes and germination inhibitors. i also stack vinegar, salt, basic spices, soap..
curious_grizzly_@reddit
The list can go on, but this is a good start. Feel free to DM if you have more questions, I taught classes on practical preparedness for a few years
ItsNotGoingToBeEasy@reddit
Seriously see if there is a Mormon in your circle. Prepping is part of their religion and the wives are in charge. Get advice from them.
That's another part of it you want to develop - community. Especially in a condo you need more space. A fraternal (Elks, that kind of thing), religious or some other community organization where you can do things like water catchment systems, tool library, veggie gardens and other shared resources.
Buying water bottles is a lot of garbage you're creating for not much gain. For the same room in your place you can get stackable five gallon storage and get a lot more water out of it. And no garbage, but refillable storage containers.
P.S. don't forget the extra bottles of bleach to manage water hygiene.
WhereDidAllTheSnowGo@reddit
Water. Diversity is key: - Case of water in yer car trunk - 70 gallons for 2 person-weeks at home, say in 1-7 gallon jugs, to cover typical suburban conserved drink, cook, wash, and flush needs - Blue, used, food-grade, 55 gallon barrels (~$15) sanitized w/ pool shock.
- Rotate all above yearly. - Bathtub, trash bins, sinks, or other large, hasty-tap-filled containers - Local, bulk source (stream, lake, swimming pool, well, rain collectors - Sawyer filter w/ Micropur tablets backup (or similar combo, see: - https://www.outdoorgearlab.com/topics/camping-and-hiking/best-backpacking-water-filter - https://www.wideners.com/blog/water-filter-tests-for-survival - To really get into this, watch GearSkeptic on YouTube
WhereDidAllTheSnowGo@reddit
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Cronewithneedles@reddit
Canned soups are a good addition because they provide hydration, protein, and vegetables. Look for what’s on sale.
GT3454@reddit
Start with what you need off the power goes out in your area for 72 hours. That’s obtainable and not overwhelming. Then build out specific scenarios… water boil order, sewage failure, etc. Plan to deal with 3-7 days. That’ll give you enough to be ok with the vast majority of scenarios
hailene02@reddit
Spices are #1 way to fight food boredom. I know you mentioned living in a condo- take a look at growing a small herb garden and/or potted tomato/peppers. Tomatoes can be cooked down into a sauce, while peppers freeze well after being diced.
Top herbs/spices across all cuisines:
Salt Pepper Onion powder Garlic powder Paprika Cumin Thyme Oregano Parsley Basil
Some more cuisine specific but still popular Ginger/ginger powder Turmeric (can help with digestion) Soy sauce/chili crisp/hot sauce Vinegars/lemon/lime juice Garam masala Chinese 5 spice Hot pepper flakes Cilantro Bbq sauce Ranch Mustard/ketchup
I know you mentioned an aversion to beans but check out lentils and chick peas. Lentils are different from each othrr- brown/green hold their shape more whereas yellow/Red basically dissolve into the stew/sauce.
Additionally consider more veg to your preps- if you have freezer space great but if not canned green beans, cabbage (saurkraut), corn, peas, carrots, etc.
Also #1 rule- if your family doesnt eat it- dont buy it.
hailene02@reddit
Additionally take a look at grain alternatives- quinoa, couscous, etc as they can provide some more nutrient value than white rice.
I have some posts in my profile of foods that I cook(some prepper friendly) and if you have any qs feel free to respond here or pm me
Canadian-Footy-Fan@reddit
It sure if you have property but I highly recommend planting low maintenance fruit and nut trees suited to your area. The payoff period may be a bit longer but once they start producing food you have a perennial source of food essentially for the rest of your life. And things like nuts (often overlooked) are very low effort, high protein and fat, come in their own package, and many can be safely stored at room temperature for well over a year (until after the next harvest). And if you know anyone who has a green thumb or are willing to do a bit of gathering, you can source seeds from local trees for free.