Orthodox Priest, Papa Kristo Negovani was slaughtered by Greek nationalists in 1905 for using Albanian during liturgy. What are some heroes in your country that fell for protecting your language and identity.

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Elmalukat@reddit (OP)

What saltiness? It is a true historical event

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The saltiness in you, getting butthurt over a greek who made a similar post about a greek getting slaughtered by albanians, asking the same question, in the same wording. Had you really cared for your historical figure, you would have posted about him differently, even responded in that original post, instead of making this post and looking like a miserable ex-girlfriend.

That clear it up?

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Elmalukat@reddit (OP)

No it didn’t. The sub has been infested by bullshit Greek propaganda the last months.

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drugosrbijanac@reddit

"Everything is propaganda except when I talk about my country - then its true"

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More_Ad_5142@reddit

God I hate AskBalkans. I am not even going to answer this and enter a rabbit hole. Everybody killed everyone here in Balkans and our whole collective history is one regressive war crime, massacre and murder after another. What is the point of bringing them up constantly to stir nationalistic feelings and throw dirt at the other side? I wish we can just move the fuck on.

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pdann@reddit

Well, the serbs and the romanians are the only 2 countries that have never waged war on each other , and there is ( or was a saying up until the ‘90’s) that “Romania has only 3 friends : The Black Sea, The Danube and The Serbs”

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terra_filius@reddit

nah We never killed anyone

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HerrKaiserton@reddit

Thanks. Yeah. My entire family in Ww2 only

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rogomatic@reddit

No, we just changed their names, chased them from their birthplaces, and stole their property. Aren't we the best.

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terra_filius@reddit

its called sarcasm, you should google it

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BeginningFrame9456@reddit

It was put not really naturally so you should also consider to Google it.

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cosmico11@reddit

Only the Byzantines in the battle of Varbitsa pass and the Ottomans in the battle of Lule Burgas 💪💪💪

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deviendrais@reddit

Fr so many posts now are just “Country I don’t like did something bad 100 years ago. Thoughts?”

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TiredOperator420@reddit

As a Pole I have only one answer: "zapytaj swojej starej leszczu jebany".

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BeginningFrame9456@reddit

And what is that mean?

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Max_ach@reddit

And - Bobr kurwa

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Elmalukat@reddit (OP)

We could if we don’t get every day stupid Greek propaganda by sketchy profiles

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L0v3rm4n@reddit

At this point I will just assume you have malintent for coming to peaceful community trying to stir shit up. There are so many others. Go r/imtherightest circle jerk community.

What happened 100 years ago happened. Now we need peace.

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Ujemegaz@reddit

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskBalkans/s/s447hJZhOs

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rogomatic@reddit

The Agenda Pushing sub rule exists, and applies to both of those posts.

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Ujemegaz@reddit

These two post were entertaining though. Imagine mourning a bloke who got axed or skewered two hundred years ago.

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Elmalukat@reddit (OP)

It is a response to a previous post

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mrluks@reddit

If you respond in equal measure are you not repeating the cycle? The only way this cycle of hatred and its monetization by politicians can be broken is by someone eventually becoming the bigger person and refusing to get drowned in the mud.

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Max_ach@reddit

Maybe it's time for a new sub with more of a friendly vibe. These rage-baiting questions are getting very annoying and i wanna get the f 8ut of here but this is a sub that it's close to my heart where i want to learn more about each other. Some people are here for the worst and f them

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Lord_Gobbledygook@reddit

Amen. Of all the possible languages, you spoke the language of the truth.

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Additional-Gur7915@reddit

No, not everybody! Albanians never killed others for existing or for speaking their language.

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PyrrhusEpirusGR1@reddit

How can you lie so blatantly? Let me just bring up the 2020 case of Aristotelis Goumas - a man from the Greek minority in Albania who was killed by 3 Albanians from Vlore after refusing to speak Albanian and speaking Greek in his own shop. You can bring up things from 100 years ago, Greeks can bring up things from 6 years ago. Also what happened to the Greeks of North Epirus in the 1910's, 1930-40's and 1960's? Where are the Greeks that inhabited Durres? Assimilation is a Balkan thing, everyone did it, so stop being blinded by nationalism and stop acting as If Albanians are some innocent sheep that did never any harm to their neighbors.

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Miserable-Ground-379@reddit

Matija Gubec peasant revolt leader (1573) was publicly tortured (Zagreb..Croatia) by forcing him to sit on red hot chair... put him red hot spectre in his hands and red hot crown on his head...at the end he was executed by quartering😅

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Citaku357@reddit

That's genuinely so sad

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Nikoschalkis1@reddit

Womp womp

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Any-Consideration470@reddit

My same reaction to Diakos getting skewered crazy right 😂😂

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Citaku357@reddit

Greek kebab 🤣😂

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Ujemegaz@reddit

Big success 👍👍

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Elmalukat@reddit (OP)

Great stuff

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Mysterious-Put1459@reddit

This sub is wild

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FortisPatria@reddit

we, balkans, best at denying.

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Empty-Pace-4228@reddit

95% of real Balkaners don't see Turkey as Balkan.

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FortisPatria@reddit

my black sea ass more balkan those w*stoid wannabe fuckers

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Empty-Pace-4228@reddit

What makes Black Sea a Balkan region? Just because we have 2-3 cities in Balkans, does that make a country of 800,000 km2 balkan?

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Erozbey@reddit

The history and culture of the people living there are enough to make you feel like you’re a Balkan country.

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Empty-Pace-4228@reddit

"The history and culture of the people living there are enough to make you feel like you’re a Balkan country."

Bro, they hate your f***ng guts there. Just because you conquered that land and your kinsmen lived there that doesn't make your country Balkan. They already eradicated and sent back most of the Turks to Turkiye. Today, there is no real connection between Bulgaria and Kocaeli, Manisa, Bursa or Balıkesir, there is no similarity.

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Erozbey@reddit

Want to hear a secret? Everyone hates each other in the Balkans. The Turks were just the last group to arrive. Were the peoples living in the Balkans really so happy when the Romans first came? Were they living in peaceful, happy times under Eastern Roman rule? There were rebellions; there was opposition. One of the terms used in historical sources to describe the Balkans is “New Turkey.” I don’t know if you’ve been there, but I spent years in Bulgaria, and there are still Turks living there and there are still Turkish villages. Beyond that, those who migrated are part of our Balkan culture. If you’re looking for a lot of drama, how many of them—besides the Greeks—are actually original ethnic groups? They weren’t there from the very beginning. There was migration, tribes merged, and they eventually took on their present form. Over the last 600 years or so, we came and there was another cultural exchange. People can hate as much as they want. You can’t change the truth. So if someone approaches me with hatred, I just laugh it off.

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Empty-Pace-4228@reddit

"Everyone hates each other in the Balkans. The Turks were just the last group to arrive"

That's true

"There was migration, tribes merged, and they eventually took on their present form. Over the last 600 years or so, we came and there was another cultural exchange."

That's also true.

But you forgot to mention one thing.

This is not only the hate thing, also nobody recognizes us Balkan too, it is really rare. And they're right. Because all those people that came here by migration made it their home. For example, there is no Albanians, Greeks or Romanians outside Balkans but 99% of the Turkish nation is outside the Balkans.

Thy were ethnically cleansed and they became a little majority. Plus their existence and settlement on the Balkans were artificial, they didn't migrate, they were made settled by an occupying empire. So Balkans have all their rights to identify us as foreigners. Turkish identity is Turkish, it exists in Turkey.

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Erozbey@reddit

Their subjective views are their own. The Ottomans were a Balkan empire. They invested the most in the Balkans. It’s only natural that we’re the ones who face the most hostility. We’re a people who came from Asia; we destroyed the Greeks’ precious empire; we were there at a time when everything—good or bad—was more accessible and easier to document than it is a thousand years later.

I have nothing to say about your saying that we have no right there just because people were settled there. It’s as if no one ever migrates somewhere and claims it as their own. Well, let me tell you this: just as we have no claim in the Balkans, the Greeks do not have any claim in Anatolia either. After all, they were colonists—brought there by their leaders, weren’t they?

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Ujemegaz@reddit

Well, let me tell you this: just as we have no claim in the Balkans, the Greeks do not have any claim in Anatolia either. After all, they were colonists—brought there by their leaders, weren’t they?

Yes, but when they win, it is a glorious event, and when they lose is unjust.

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LeastSpecific4706@reddit

Sounds about right

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Empty-Pace-4228@reddit

u/FortisPatria it is not about revanchism bro, what I said was revanchist?

Are there any similarity between Sofia and Balıkesir? If yes, what is that?
Aren't most Balkaners hate you?
Didn't they eradicate your existence from there from 19th to 20th century? We k**led around 1-3 millons of Armenians, these people even doubled our numbers and they celebrate it even today.
What is wrong with what I'm saying?

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Substantial-Peach-90@reddit

Literally nothing wrong with what you say, everything is true. If balkaners are wstoid wannabe fuckers, then he is a blkanoid wannabe fucker 🤣

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Empty-Pace-4228@reddit

Unfortunately some Turkis people couldn't understand every human being is just flesh and blood, nobody is superior than the other. You don't need to be X or Y in order to improve your people's condition of lif. You don't need to be European at all.

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Altruistic-Board5322@reddit

Never heard of him, if it is real, a huge sorry from our side.

In bad times, bad people make bad things regardless nationality.

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pitogyros@reddit

I haven’t heard of that incident before too , apparently a Greek bishop order the mob to have him killed and in response Albanians later killed a Greek bishop in Korce

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AlbanianCatholic@reddit

👍🏻
It is real, you can read more on him here if you want
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papa_Kristo_Negovani

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Altruistic-Board5322@reddit

I dont trust wiki mate, i can add a paragraph now saying he was drafted for Detroit Pistons but chose the road of God instead.

I trust more the comments of fellow Redditors that say its real. So, sorry once again.

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AlbanianCatholic@reddit

It is what it is, sent wiki simply since it's an easily accessible source, but sure.
Feel free to research him elsewhere if you want, or not, your choice.
Wish you the best!

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Altruistic-Board5322@reddit

To be honest i searched it and every result was based on wiki.

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AlbanianCatholic@reddit

https://dokumen.pub/the-crescent-and-the-eagle-ottoman-rule-islam-and-the-albanians-1874-1913-9780755609758-9781845112875.html
Here's a book by an American historian then if you want, you can find this info in page 91.
If you're still skeptical, you can also rely on contemporary sources for it, be it the numerous newspapers of the time that covered this murder in 1905, of which I'll mention Drita as an example, you can go to Ottoman archival material, or even Germanos Karavangelis' memoirs, although he doesn't get into details about Negovani's murder.

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jaleach@reddit

In the background, is that Satan whispering into an Orthodox priest's ear?

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Elmalukat@reddit (OP)

Yes, the Satan is whispering to the Orthodox Greek Priest to have the Albanian Orthodox Priest killed

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Burlotier@reddit

That is scandalous art then . Like not even the pope or other heretic teachers or even figures behind the execution of saints are portrayed as being whispered by the devil .

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Ujemegaz@reddit

That is peak art 😂 the fact you don't like it makes it even more powerful 120 years later 😂😂

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Critical_Parking_671@reddit

Why would he not use the ancient liturgy which is greek? The new testament was written in greek?

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Nikoschalkis1@reddit

Lmao it says in Wikipedia that after his death Albanians responded with killing a greek priest in Korce. Everyone here tryna push their agenta even though the sub is literally just called ask Balkans and it's about daily life. Go to Facebook for that shit bro for real.

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albo_kapedani@reddit

Metropolitan Photis of Korçë was killed after the attack on father Kristo and others in Negovan (today, Flampouro). On his, and particularly Metropolitan Germenos of Kastoria, albanians, specifically those of the orthodox faith, that taught, wrote, campaigned and preached in albanian were killed. He got what he deserved.

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Nikoschalkis1@reddit

Bro this isn't the place to solve these issues I know a lot of fucked up shit happened from everyone's side. For example all of helenism of Attica was exterminated by Albanian orders under the ottomans around 1800, now Albanians come and claim that shit. Still this isn't the place to solve these issues I'm just pointing out the absurdity.

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albo_kapedani@reddit

Albanians "exterminated hellenism"?! Are you for real?! What bloody "hellenism" was there in the 1800s?! Talking about 1900s ideas as they were somewhat so prevalent in the 19th century!

How many greeks did the exterminate on the ottoman orders?! Apparently greeks didn't convert to Islam and fought for the High Porte?! How many greeks identity as turks today?!

Albanians don't claim, know or care about Attica, or for the identity of the arvinites. Not one bit.

Someone posted and wrote something provocative. People responded. I'm not going into the psychology of it is good or bad to respond to provocation, but it happens to the best of us.

Definitely, no issues is going to be solved either here, nor will it anywhere else. Yasas.

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Nikoschalkis1@reddit

What the? What are they even telling you on the internet bro. Do Albanians really believe Greek is a construct of the 1900s? Talk about schizophrenia... Omer vrioni specifically ordered the massacre of anyone greek from all areas around Athens and more. The arguement is lost from the start with you guys...

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albo_kapedani@reddit

Breath for a moment.

Definitely greek or helen is not a construct of the 19th or 20th century. Is far older one, is indeed ancient. No one is denying it. What I meant, the hellenism or the notion of a greek state in the 1800s was much more nuanced, diverse and inclusive then that of the late 1800s early 1900s.

Omet Vrioni killed as much albanians, and others as it did greek. He was a ottoman commander. Nothing more.

Calm down and stop going straight into offending people.

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cosmico11@reddit

In Brazil the royalists sentenced the famous Republican Tiradentes to being hung drawn and quartered across his entire home state, his home was torched, his goods confiscated by the state.

It really do be your own people, but its not like this entitles us to kill every single Portuguese-descent person alive lol

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LastHomeros@reddit

Greeks love to call Greek everyone who follows Eastern Orthodox Church. They tried to do the same to Arabs, Karamanlis, and Albanians.

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-MrAnderson@reddit

They did it to Greeks as well.

All the former mainly Greek (but also non-Greek) speaking subjects of the former Ottoman empire considered themselves Romans; Romans as in the Roman identity that was formed during the 1,000+ years of ERE: Greek language, orthodox Christianity, mix of Roman and Greek culture.

If you are a descendant of Byzantines living in Alexandria in 1900, what do you call yourself?

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LastHomeros@reddit

Yeah, but Rum was a religious and national identity, not an ethnic one. Anyone, regardless of their background, could be a Rum if they followed Eastern Orthodox Christianity and were subjects of the Eastern Roman Empire. So much so that, ethnic Southern Slavs such as Bulgars and Serbs were considered part of “Rum Millet” (Roman Nation?) for a long time. It’s sad that Western Europeans translated it as Greek, which led to many ethnic conflicts later on.

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Mucklord1453@reddit

False. And who cares if the Ottomans threw bulgars and serbs into the "rum millet" They were not Rums/Romans. Even when bulars were incorporated into the Byzantine Empire under Basil II they were not considered Romans, just "subjects OF" rome.

A Roman in the middle ages until recenlty was what we now call a Greek.

And you say western europeans translated Roman into a Greek? False again, the Bulgar/Serb rulers THEMSELVES used the two words interchangably, and would almost esculsuvily use "greek" when speaking and writing in their own language.. centuries ago.

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-MrAnderson@reddit

There was an actual Roman ethnicity though, and Romans (what we call now Byzantines) had a national consciousness of who they are, as attested by many of their own records. They would describe their own army as composed of "Romans, Armenians, Bulgarians, etc", meaning there were certain features required for someone to be considered Rhomaios. For several reasons this translated to 'Greek' around the time of the revolution.

Example, by Birkenmeier: "[...] Choniates and Kinnamos [...] note the presence of many particular foreigners (listed in a separate section), but Rhomaioi are usually the officers and provide most of the cavalry, (Birkenmeir 161) [...].

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Substratas@reddit

Greeks love to call Greek everyone who follows Eastern Orthodox Church. They tried to do the same to Arabs, Karamanlis, and Albanians.

Because that’s a very effective tool for narration. Here’s one:

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Ujemegaz@reddit

Suljots are natives. They did not settle anywhere. Never understood the logic of settling in rocky landscapes. If a people settles somewhere, they do not go to fields and plateaus.

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Substratas@reddit

Suljots are natives. They did not settle anywhere. Never understood the logic of settling in rocky landscapes. If a people settles somewhere, they do not go to fields and plateaus.

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HumanMan00@reddit

An Albanian priest with a Slavic last name gets killed by the Greeks for doing Orthodox service in Albanian is peak Balkan chaos.

Instead of getting angry at Greeks or Albaniams for bringing this up lets remind ourselves that if we want to move forward we need to accept these terrible facts to avoid a terrible future.

Every nation has its prideful moments and its shameful moments.

Nek mu je laka zemlja.

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baxulax@reddit

He was a Greek btw (Christos Charalambis)

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Ujemegaz@reddit

Greek like Arvanites 😂

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bruhmanbruuh@reddit

I mean it's not the 1600s , we are Greek now.

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Ujemegaz@reddit

It is interesting. Dozen of comments replying to me saying how we betrayed religion, our culture, our roots and Arvanites who kept religion, no longer speak Albanian, forgot their roots and even hate us more than Greeks to prove themselves worthy. Personally i can't make any sense out of this, but this sub made me like Turks more. Maybe they are truly those friends you make along the way. I don't hide the athrocities they did to us, but it is the past, and no one is alive to remember those. Now they respect us, and i remember it was Turks themselves that suggested Albanian elective lessons in their own schools a decade ago and they implemented such policy but our ministry is not doing enough. Maybe it is the fact that muslim religion is majority on paper that they act so, but i don't mind.

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bruhmanbruuh@reddit

Dozen of comments replying to me saying how we betrayed religion, our culture, our roots and Arvanites who kept religion, no longer speak Albanian, forgot their roots and even hate us more than Greeks to prove themselves worthy.

Oh ,it gets even better ; people here act like Arvanitika is NOT albanian . It's quite a cope.

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Burlotier@reddit

The albanian language and identity was created in the late 19th century , the arvanite language itself is a fusion of Greek and Illyrian . The Albanian language has more Thracian characteristics with a lot of Illyrian based words .

Arvanites are still Greek as they have willingly become part of the identity during the 13th century

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Fun_Selection8699@reddit

He was so Greek he wanted the liturgy to be done in Albanian 💯

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baxulax@reddit

Well, seems like he flipped sides for whatever reason

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Lothronion@reddit

That is like saying "Roman Emperor Michael III was so Roman Greek that he wanted the liturgy (in the Slav-speaking lands) to be conducted in Slavic".

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BrazilianFascisMan@reddit

I will cite three cases: I will start with Sepé Tiaraju, he is a legendary figure from the southern region of Brazil (which is where I live), he was a warrior of the Guarani tribe who resisted expulsions, if I'm not mistaken, by the Spanish and Portuguese from their lands, he spread a famous phrase: "This land has an owner", he ended up being killed in combat and became a popular saint among Catholics.

There is also the case of Nheçu, also Guarani, who participated in resistance against the European acculturation that came from his lands, and even ordered assassinations and massacres against Jesuits.

There is also the case, which I must respect, of the celebrated warrior Ajuricaba. He was part of the Manau tribe and fought against Portuguese privatizations in the Rio Negro region, along with other tribes. He led the "Rio Negro Confederation." He was eventually captured, but preferred to throw himself into the water in chains and drown rather than be taken prisoner by the white men.

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Lothronion@reddit

Seems said Greek ultranationalists had never heard of Cyril and Methodius.

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Burlotier@reddit

It was more complicated as in the Arvanites tried to limit Albanian influence in Epirus . In addition Albanian was created by outside countries than grow organically . So at best it was viewed as “misguided” or treachery at worst .

I still think it was the wrong action but perhaps they could have explained to him or let him be .

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BrazilianFascisMan@reddit

Oh God, I never imagined I'd see a Third Balkan War happening on Reddit.

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Lvl100Centrist@reddit

Great album cover for the next Burzum release

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Careful-Evening-5187@reddit

RETVRN TO THRACE

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Kitsooos@reddit

Where was he preaching and where was he killed ? Which village / city / area ?

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OverallACoolGuy@reddit

what is liturgy

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albo_kapedani@reddit

What the Western Christians tend to call mass. For us, the entire Sunday eucharistic service is called Divine Liturgy (or liturgy for short).

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Ujemegaz@reddit

Religious literature.

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Empty-Pace-4228@reddit

Osman Nevres was a Turkishman of Jewish origin. He was journalist working for Turkish Intelligence Service an Ittihad Terakki Party. He changed his name to Hasan Tahsin and went to İzmir for a mission.

Ottoman Empire lost WW1 and Greeks were saying "My ancestors lived on this land before yours, so I can take it over and expulse your people" just like Zionists are doing currently. Zionists also say "This region was Judea but Romans exiled us and brought Arabs here, Arabs are the real invaders we're just taking back our land!" Greeks also wanted to take their own revenge for the centuries of Ottoman rule.

On 15 May 1919, Greek troops landed on İzmir by their ships. Greeks of İzmir were in the streets with flags in their hands. Everybody was joyful, a priest blessed Greek soldiers in the ports of İzmir and people were around them chanting.

Hasan Tahsin was in the crowd, he took his pistol and shouted "Death to the invaders!" and killed 2 Greek soldiers called Basile Delaris ve Jorj Papakostos. He attacked a regiment of soldiers all alone and got shot to death.

Greeks who came to the region for establishing Megali Idea and send back to Mongolia got send back to Greece in 1923 and 1955, their plans were directed to theirselves.

"They planned, but Allah also planned. And Allah is the best of planners." Al Anfal, 30

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Ujemegaz@reddit

I can't speak for 1923, it was war and all that but i am aware that 1955 was pretty uncool. That was just shameful.

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Temporary-Check-1507@reddit

My great great grandad killed by Bulgarians in Macedonia because he was a Greek priest

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Discipline_Cautious1@reddit

ngl Negovani sound Macedonian or Serbian.

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vivaervis@reddit

Born in Negovani, present day Greece. A lot of villages in north Greece have/had slavic toponyms.

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riquelm@reddit

Funny his surname means "nurtured" in Slavic yet he was killed by Greeks because of Albanian language hahah

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AlbanianCatholic@reddit

His surname is Negovani because he was born in the village of Negovan in Greece, the village does have a Slavic name.

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RecordIcy5375@reddit

Haha so funny an priest was killed for his language, wow hilarious.

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Ujemegaz@reddit

Had no idea Negovani is Slavic. We have many toponhms in that area though.

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MasterpieceVirtual66@reddit

May he rest in peace, but damn you for using the event just because you got offended by the post about Diakos.

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norfynorfy@reddit

the diakos post pissed me too, criminalizing albanians for all the stuff that has happened to greeks...

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MasterpieceVirtual66@reddit

The other post should have specified "muslim Albanian mercenaries" (as they played a very prominent role in the Ottoman side of the Greek Revolution) instead of just "Albanians".

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norfynorfy@reddit

yes i agree, but in that case still provide any proof possible for them being Albanians in the first place, guys you forget that the Albanian mercenaries have supported reek causes for millennials, its really sad to see greek propaganda spread hate against Albanians just because many converted to islam, or even cause of our edgy personality, but to believe all these stuff i see online or even on greek scripts the last decades, i wish the greeks could have searched more about that, realising that a big part of greek society was build on Albanian blood, also the wars were fought through a big amount of Albanian soldiers, i wish the greeks would remember that even Kolokotronis used to speak Albanian....its just sad to watch all this ignorance fly....

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Ujemegaz@reddit

Maybe Greeks are doing us a favour by alienating us.

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norfynorfy@reddit

Not if the world believes it...

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Ujemegaz@reddit

The world could care less about Greeks or Albanians. It is no longer the 19th century. Plus, even then, the invested parties were well informed of Albanians and Greeks. If they had belueved Greeks, Korca all the way to Himara would become part of Greece.

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norfynorfy@reddit

my friend we have lost already parts of Albania for these reasons, dont forget, cities in Macedonia, Greece, Montenegro and even in Kosovo have been lost from us, even if the people still speak our language.... I would dare our neighbors to do a DNA test... the only bad part about it is the turkish blood mixed with us ballkans lol

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Ujemegaz@reddit

We lost because we were not united and hesitated, and we had no clear scope. Greece, Serbia and Bulgaria had a clear vision, and they achieved it more or less.

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norfynorfy@reddit

this clear vision is called divide and conquer, comes from a place of bad heart, and destroying is easier than building..

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Ujemegaz@reddit

Look at today. Neither Albania nor Kosovo have a clear vision. Their grudges messed up our factor in Macedonia even.

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norfynorfy@reddit

Brother, Albania and Kosovo unfortunately have been a subject of many experiments from the Greeks, Serbs and Çifutet...if you really wanna know more we can talk on private..but dont believe that we have ended up in this situation cause we had no clear goal, most likely cause our educated people have been killed one after the other.

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SE_prof@reddit

Take up arms my friend. Greater Albania is within reach!

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MasterpieceVirtual66@reddit

There isn't much evidence of Kolokotronis knowing Albanian except maybe the very basics, but other than that I agree that there is ignorance on the subject by many. The Greek War of Independence featured many Christian Albanian fighters who often fought against Ottoman-Albanian mercenary forces.

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norfynorfy@reddit

it is left for speculation as how many normal greeks used to use Albanian language for communication, that is true, but in any case im just saddened by the lies that are been thrown in the air by propagandanists, i was raised in greece listened to albanians being criminals, only when i left the place i started hearing about the Massacre of "Çameria", which now is known as "Giannina". But in the end of the day, the people are as good as its goverment, and when the goverment turns to be too Nationalistic, unfortunately the people will follow...

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Ujemegaz@reddit

Speak for yourself. I found that post quite informative 🤣

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Porphyres@reddit

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Elmalukat@reddit (OP)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papa_Kristo_Negovani

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SE_prof@reddit

In September 1906, an Albanian çeta (gang band) murdered the Orthodox bishop of Korçë, a town located to the West of Bitola, an area heavily inhabited by Albanian speakers. At first glance, one could perceive, in this murder of the local chief of the Orthodox community perpetrated by a group mainly made out of Muslims, the tangible expression of a religious clash. In reality, this violent act, viewed in a wider scope, must be interpreted within another framework, the rising of the Albanian nationalism.

The third reference of the Wikipedia article you posted...

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Ujemegaz@reddit

When Greeks kill it is allright to kill heretics, when others do is nationalism. What did they expect, strong worded letters.

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SE_prof@reddit

Who don't know how it started or by whom. Historiographers say that these types of incidents were more about personal feuds rather than organised nationalistic movements. In the end, noone is holier than anyone else. But everyone who cited any kind of killing, I'll come back with a counter one...

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Ujemegaz@reddit

You act as if you don't, but we know it very well. It is not that distant time. Also, the autochefalous church of Albania was founded because a Greek priest in the US refused to hold a burial for an Albanian patriot. A Russian priest saved the day, ironically.

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SE_prof@reddit

You cat like you don't what's happening at Himara... 5 years ago...

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Elmalukat@reddit (OP)

Nothing happened, a corrupt mayor candidate was caught stealing and was jailed l.

Albania has jailed the mayor of Tirana on corruption charges. Should we pardon Beleri for being a Greek?

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SE_prof@reddit

Corrupt mayor candidate = Legally elected mayor

Eddie has trained you all properly I see...

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Ujemegaz@reddit

Legally or not he was caught red handed, and the force of EU funded courts reivned over him 👌

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Ujemegaz@reddit

Big W for Albania, even bigger L for Greece 😂

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Ujemegaz@reddit

I don't. They treated him like shit, and courts sponsored with EU money (Greek funding as well) convicted him with two years or so, and Greece yapped for two years, but we the caravan kept moving 😎🇦🇱💪

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Porphyres@reddit

Wiki as a source.

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Elmalukat@reddit (OP)

https://gazetadielli.com/papa-kristo-negovani-deshmor-i-ceshtjes-se-arsimit-shqiptar/

https://www.koha.net/en/kulture/perkujtohet-117-vjetori-i-vdekjes-se-patriotit-papa-kristo-negovani

The first opening of a school in Korce in Albania during the ottomans was heavily opposed by Greeks too. They protested to the Sultan.

Language is what kept Albanians from assimilating

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hgaben90@reddit

Hey look, another new account digging up old shit nobody cares about to start bickering. Color me not surprised.

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Neradomir@reddit

I think that all these people are from KGB and CIA And Mossad co-operation called some shit like "Operation Glass" created specifically to make all Balkan coutries hate each other so that we never unite in any way and just keep bickering about stupid stuff from 200 years ago. Every time you get mad at your neighbour because dumbass #1 did somethung to victim #1, they laugh and giggle. They cheer and pat their backs because they are winning. I know its stupid, but its better then hating Albanians because Kosovo is Serbia and sheeet

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Ujemegaz@reddit

I doubt we are that important to get involved Cia and kgb like in Ukraine or Iran.

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Neradomir@reddit

Oh yeah. Imagine if you and I went to Berlin and created the biggest Serbo-Albanian or Albano-Serbian drug empire. Now imagine if we had a Romanian, a Turk, a Croat, a Bosnain, a Greek,... it would destroy the economy. But we dont because my grandpa's friend from Dragash took your grandma's cousin's harvester in 74' without asking. Now we must hate eachother forever

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Ujemegaz@reddit

You'd be surprised. Albanian and Serbs do journeys together. Criminals get along much better than governments.

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TechnicianTimely2879@reddit

Mods allowing all this to be posted while my 23rd of april post didn’t get approved. Absolute bs.

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Ujemegaz@reddit

You are yearning for drama, aren't you

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TechnicianTimely2879@reddit

who gives a damn about drama on reddit get a job.

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Enis_Da_Boss@reddit

Comments just as expected when it's albanians getting killed.

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Original-Hall-9832@reddit

Greek military not only burned of civilin houses in Stip in Macedonia during but also defecated (poop) in people's beds and food. That's their culture.

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albo_kapedani@reddit

On the orders of Metropolitan Germenos. A very gospel-preaching "bishop".

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Altruistic_End_7749@reddit

Poet Laza Kostić spoke in Serbian in the Hungarian parliament. When he was interrupted and reminded that the official language in parliament was Hungarian, he continued his speech in Latin, then in German, and then returned to Serbian again, skillfully using his knowledge of languages (he spoke eight) to point out the absurdity of banning his native language.

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Volaer@reddit

Karavangelis was an ethnophyletist scoundrel and is to be condemned for ordering his lynching.

As should you for posting this as a result for not being to deal with the post about Athanasios Diakos.

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complexluminary@reddit

Sorry, but them swinging that hatched into his head 😂😂😂 this is so fucked up

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Ujemegaz@reddit

Old school propaganda was peak art 😂 this is from a newspaper of Albanian patriotic club. I kid you not, greag chances that this was pressed in Bucharest 🤣

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