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AlbanianCatholic@reddit

Nobody:
Kosovo being one of the safest countries in Europe when it comes to crime rates:

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Robbery in yellow area (except Norway and few more) is like running public telephone station business in 21st century. Crime here is organized. Who wants to be criminal, there are far smarter ways than robbery.

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AlbanianCatholic@reddit

This is about safety.
People transporting drugs around is criminal and wrong, but the person above tried to claim Kosovo in history was safer than Kosovo today, which really has no real backing, as both Kosovo and Albania are really safe.

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DontCareHowICallMe@reddit

What I get from this is that you would suck your enemies cock for your survival

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RSM4891@reddit

Yes but it suits the post-socialist and post-9/11 narrative to portray everything as just evil Islam v peaceful Christians

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Material-Copy6703@reddit

Guy kills a pasha because he's too homophobic to say no, becomes an outlaw and joins a band of thugs, gets his ass kicked in the Greek Revolt and is captured by the Ottomans. The Ottomans offer to make him an officer in the army if he converts to Islam. He says, 'I want to die as a Greek. (Lol, who told you that you wouldn't?) The Ottomans make his wish come true and impale him.

Correction, he was not killed for refusal to convert, he was executed for his rebellion, he was offered a chance at becoming an officer in the Army if he chose to convert, he didn't, so his execution passed anyway.

Idk why you make him sound to be dome regular dude, he killed people in the name of nationalism, the same one that caused the massacres of Jews and Muslims for not being Greeks.

Yall are sad.

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RSM4891@reddit

It's their coping mechanism for being colonised by Muslims. They won't mention how they somehow managed to maintain their religion, languages and places of worship - unlike the indigenous peoples of the Americas but they'll twist history at every opportunity to perpetuate their unique brand of post-Ottoman openly genocidal Islamophobia

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smtsnt@reddit

Facts, except they weren't "colonized" like the European sense, as the Ottomans didn't need to eradicate their population, nor force the Turkish language on them, nor needed them to become Muslims, they paid their religious tax, enjoyed Ottoman administration, and many Croats, Serbs, Vlachs, Bulgarians, Albanians and Greek held positions of power as high as the Vizier.

Stay based akhi.

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So beautiful of a comeback

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smtsnt@reddit

That map was criticized time and time again, the Ottomans founded and funded schools across Bosnia and Serbia, but those two regions taught using the Arabic and Cyrillic scripts, wich is why the Croatian and Slovenian parts are considered "literate", because they write using the Latin alphabet.

In short, this map is flawed, on the basis that it counts the Abjad and Cyrillic as Illiteracy.

You're asking guy who looks up maps and concludes, maybe try reading "about" the maps next time.

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Returntomonke21@reddit

Τhe only thing that has been debunked is your bullshit excuse, as the Yugoslavian study did not count Cyrillic or Arabic as illiteracy

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smtsnt@reddit

This map wich used date from under the Yugoslavian monarchy does, maybe read the map a little closer, ya bum.

Classic Serb. Mocks ethnic cleansing. You are no different from Mladić. Go cry about you were fucked for 500 years under Turkish rule, then again by the Austrians in WW1 (where you provoked them and played the victim), then again in WW2, and another time in the 90s (where again you play victim)

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New_Accident_4909@reddit

Both empires got fucked so badly they fell apart so keep gloating about your own downfall :)

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herhangibirperson@reddit

I don't need to convince a delusional Serb who thinks a 500-year long genocide is survivable

Go live in your own delusions, and go bootlick your heroes Mladić and Karadžić

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New_Accident_4909@reddit

Nah I think you need to cry more about how ypu got fucked in Balkan wars. The tears are delicious.

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herhangibirperson@reddit

Haven't learned from the 90s I see, Bosniak :)

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New_Accident_4909@reddit

Try again I'm Serb, get fucked Ottoman bootlicker

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Unused_Content19@reddit

Are we really wrong tho?

Ottomans killed the men women and children of the Balkan lands across the 500 years they were under Ottoman rule. Ottomans raped women. They banned Christianity and expressing other religions and brainwashed multiple children into converting to Islam (Janjičari).

And since Serbia, Romania, Croatia and all the other countries that were under Ottoman rule still exist today, you can say we did, in fact, survive and keep our culture.

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If it happened, Balkaners would either be erased, or permanently crippled. No ethnic group, ever, in history, has survived being genocided for 500 years. None. They are either erased, or badly crippled. It's only a delusional, fairytale Balkan myth

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Unused_Content19@reddit

Wrong. It would be more like:

“Warcrimes? Genocides? Nah, that didn’t happen. We treated the Balkan lands with the biggest amount of respect we gave them. But, like the ungrateful Christians they are, they bit the handipole that fed them. But at least we, the good Ottomans, managed to introduce civilization and order into those wild lands of neanderthals. You should see what happened there before the Ottomans introduced them to order”.

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CataphractBunny@reddit

A few of them told me that the Ottomans brought enlightenment to Croatia.

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Unused_Content19@reddit

Enlightement my ass

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CasperGwamm@reddit

They were pissed off when I said there were no Ottoman mosques in Zagreb, because we sent their army packing. They immediately started with insults and saying how it was cultorocide that there aren't any Ottoman mosques in Croatia. 😂

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RoyaleKingdom78@reddit

Dude, destroying a piece of ancient human work is not justificable and by destroying mosques instead of keeping them as museums or repurposing them in another way is to some sort an attempt to erase your history. It is no different than Afghans demolishing an ancient Persian temple. And most of heritage balkan folk destroyed after Ottoman recession were not solely of muslim origin. It is indeed nothing but a cultorocide fueled by pan-(insert race/religion).

After independence, most features that dated from the Byzantine, Frankish, and Ottoman periods were cleared from the site in an attempt to restore the monument to its original form, "cleansed" of all later additions.^([42]) The Parthenon mosque was demolished in 1843, and the Frankish Tower in 1875. German Neoclassicist architect Leo von Klenze was responsible for the restoration of the Acropolis in the 19th century, according to German historian Wolf Seidl, as described in his book Bavarians in Greece.^([43])^([44])

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Returntomonke21@reddit

The Parthenon mosque was build over a church the T*rks destroyed btw

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CataphractBunny@reddit

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The Ottomans would never! They brought enlightenment to us Balkan barbarians.

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CataphractBunny@reddit

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TIL that stating facts is crying but trying to use whataboutism and insults is peak enlightenment.

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herhangibirperson@reddit

"Stating facts". Never surprised. Go believe your fairytale folklore garbage you learned in school. Classic brainwashed Croat

Although I won't lie. I do absolutely wish that they were facts. I really do, a lot

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CataphractBunny@reddit

What a clown comment, lol. Do you even hear yourself?

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CataphractBunny@reddit

Whataboutism isn't deflected, it's mocked and ridiculed.

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herhangibirperson@reddit

Keep deflecting your own crimes, Croat. Under every comment from a Turk you say "but muh Armenian genocideeeeee", that is whataboutism, and you do it on a daily basis

Still, killing the children before the eyes of the parent is sadism.

They could've done with everyone separately, if their death was politically necessary.

LibertyChecked28@reddit

My point was if you have something that you want to genuinely brag about, you flex it at every given opportunity instead of resulting to incomparable whataboutdisms.

The guy above tried to hit two birds with one stone by ''expanding'' on the concept of [Ottoman tolerance] with "Christians are savages" remarks that neither elaborate on what tolerance is, nor establish proper standards for comparison.

To hammer the idea of how [Ottoman tolerance] looked like it's recomended that you aim for 3 main criteria's:

1) Peer to Peer comparison with the Golden Horde, or the other Islamic Chalipathes as to show that the Ottoman Empire was the best amongst it's equivalencies when it came to the treatment of Christians, and we could have had twice as worse.

2) "Apogee record" for the internal Turkish history with the historical time periods of the best policies VS worst policies = the overall treatment + comment from modern day Turkish standpoint.

3) Detailed examination of the E.E QoL under the Byzantine/Latin/Teuton Empires with the Ottoman one.

But neither of those 3 criteria are exactly convenient for people who want to have their cake and to eat it too.

Unfortunately, Greece and Turkey decided bilaterally to exchange their respective minority populations. 1.2 million Greeks forced to go to Greece while around half a million Turks had to leave Greece. Unfortunately because I think in hindsight Turkey would have never experienced Islamist revivals if it had a sizeable Greek population.

Greeks ware the most prominent, but Anatolia had a $h!t ton of other Christian populations that got strangled like the Lebanise, Kurds, Christian Turks or whatever.

And generally I think that when it comes to Jews, there are a lot of Balkan nations to blame. Turkey had labour camps for Jews who couldn‘t pay a wealth tax, Bulgaria had protected their own Jews but participated in anti-Jewish pogroms in the Eastern Front and Romania has done the whole Holocaust package side to side with Germans.

It is brutal. It's not the most brutal.

There's worse things in life than death.

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fk_censors@reddit

Yes - and I'd assume watching your four sons die in front of you is one of those things.

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P-l-Staker@reddit

You could instead watch them get mutilated or tortured? Or maybe a slow agonising death instead of a quick painless one?

Surely you get what I'm saying by now. Surely.

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UpstairsFix4259@reddit

I mean, it's a psychological torture, for sure. But not the most brutal way to get executed.

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CataphractBunny@reddit

Always love how triggered the Turks get when you say "Fuck the Ottomans". They come in droves, doing their best to beat you down by mocking, insults, and other nefarious tactics. It's hilarious.

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RoyaleKingdom78@reddit

Well, fuck (B)Ottomans for sure but the soldier/rebel that killed your son was (with %90 probability) probably either was a Balkan Christian convert or someone that learned turkish after growing up. You can't distance yourself from evil by calling it something "foreign" even though it isn't.

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CataphractBunny@reddit

What are you babbling about?

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CataphractBunny@reddit

Ottomans are not foreign to the Balkans as a mysterious "they" made us believe.

I've seen some deluded Turks here, but this one takes the cake.

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RoyaleKingdom78@reddit

I'm telling that Ottomans are not something "foreign" as they made you guys believe. Ottomans to Balkans are what Persians were to Anatolians. Those guys were not Mongol Empire that conquered, burned cities down and left. They got assimilated as much as they assimilated, yet less of assimilated than Bulgars. Ottomans are nothing better/worse than an medieval empire. Only difference is that in an medieval empire, everyone believed in the same god so there was only king/aristocracy to hate . In Ottoman balkans, there were they/us differentiation because of islam. You can't critise Ottomans as a foreign entity because it is not only modern Turkey's but also your history. Even after dissolution of Ottoman Empire, its debts were paid mainly by multiple ex-ottoman nations and not solely Turkey. You can just continue your life without my babbles and continue burning Ottomans like witch of the village.

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Burlotier@reddit

It becomes even more apparent when you look at saints during that period.

Like it is literally “X saint didn’t want to betray his faith to Christ -> Ottoman gets mad , reports it to the local office -> local office would do tortures like skinning off , ripping out glands or something that -> Saint still chooses Christ -> ottomans gay bored and kill them by cutting their head off”

Immediate-Ad-7169@reddit

"a severed head during each meal..." how many heads did his son have?

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Trajektolinija@reddit

Only one.

And to be fair, as a Croat, I have to mention ustaše who had all sorts of sick fucks like: Maks Luburić, Miroslav Filipović, Ljubo Miloš, Ante Vrban, Dominik Hinko Pićili etc, who did horrific things even to small children.

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lijevokrilo@reddit

Brate mili vi sa r/croatia sto redovito komentirate/objavljujete ste mozda najograniceniji ljudi na planetu. Znaci pitanje je koja poznata licnost je umrla na uzasan nacin, ti napišeš "🤓erhm! Pa usput da napomenem ustaše, da ustaše, su činili grozna nedjela prema čovječanstvu!". Da, i? Jel to nešto što te netko pitao ili? Pas majku opsjednutu s partizanima, četnicima, ustašama kako ste mentalno zaostali.

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Withering_to_Death@reddit

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Trajektolinija@reddit

Ma marš u pičku materinu!

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1anguisinherba@reddit

Dozsa's peasant revolt in Transylvania is considered important in Romanian history as well, we study him in school, and there are streets names after him (Gheorghe Doja). It probably became part of historiography during Communism, when historical class revolts were considered especially important. Regardless of all that, the recounting of his death in history class was one of the truly scary memories of a Romanian child.

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Exotic_Muscle6335@reddit

Im glad that regardless of name both Romanians and hungarians honor him

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Trajektolinija@reddit

It probably became part of historiography during Communism, when historical class revolts were considered especially important.

Yes, it's the same with Gubec in Croatia. Yugoslav communist party even made an epic feature film about the event called Anno Domini 1573.

shko-der@reddit

Papa Kristo Negovani was an Albanian national figure, priest, poet, teacher, writer and publisher who was killed by Greek nationalists in 1905 for using Albanian during liturgy.

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RSM4891@reddit

'Greek Nationalists' not Orthodox CHRISTIANS because Christianity is a peaceful religion. Don't believe me? Just ask the original people of the Americas 🌎

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Melanchord@reddit

Original people of America's, who might that be?

Indians? I wonder who they killed to get the land or did they love their enemies until they submitted to them 🤔

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RSM4891@reddit

'There is no hate quite like Christian love'

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TheAimIs@reddit

His final words were: I was born a Greek man, i will die as a greek man.

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Starfalloss@reddit

Guy was an absolute chad

Romans! 😂

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Porphyres@reddit (OP)

Albanians!

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Lothronion@reddit

The guy was descended from Parnassis of Phocis, with roots from Doris of Phocis, possibly connected to the Panourgiades / Xeroi clan from Constantinople; the area had little to no Albanians or Arvanites, and at the most the only non-Greek blood that he would have had is Vlach.

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AmbroseveltIV@reddit

While nationality and ethnic affiliation was (and should be) solely a matter of self-identification, Athanasios Diakos (Grammatikos) likely stemmed from Albanian settlers in the 16th century.

Turkish defters from the 16th and 17th century mention that Ano Mousounitsa and Artotina (Athanasios' villages of origin) were inhabited either to their largest extend, or by half, by men with Albanian names and surnames. They were also classified as "katuns", the title used for Albanian pastoral settlements. The region of Lidoriki in general was heavily settled by Albanian pastoralists.

That, of course, does not make Diakos any less Rum, but does shed some light on the fallacy of modern nationality.

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Natural_Scholar_1502@reddit

I must be part black because black people live in my city…

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Lothronion@reddit

Generally, the roots of Athanasios Diaskos are a matter of debate, as they are very unclear. I personally subscribe to the idea that he originated from further South, from Lidoriki and Parnassis:

I never said Albanians are ottomans

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Ujemegaz@reddit

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Yeah, probably in Italian and Albanian as well. There is a world outside Greece, you know that.

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Burlotier@reddit

The word “deacon” has its etymological origins from Greek . The fact that austrio hungary used a variation of the word for the Albanian language doesn’t make athanasios diakos Albanian .

Arvanites themselves didn’t view themselves as Albanian but Greek and the Albanians only started to actually regard them as Albanians during WW2 for the expansion of Albania .

The Arvanites know that they have partial Illyrian acenstry but see themselves as part of the Greek identity as the populations organically mixed with the Greeks .

So it becomes further ironic when Albanians try to use Ilyrian ancestry to the closest descendants of the illyrians . Especially since the Arvanites saw Albanians (especially the Muslims )as Turkoalbanians and a danger .

So, there was a Greek revolution by Greeks in that region with the aim to create of a Greek state. But to your cave troll.

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Volaer@reddit

Ρωμηός γεννήθηκα, Ρωμηός θα πεθάνω!

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AnalkinSkyfuker@reddit

Worst wouldnt be the brother of vald the 3rd that was burried alive

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Super_Sherbet_268@reddit

Read about Vlad the Impaler of Wallachia, there is nothing more horrific and inhuman than his Forest of the Impaled.

"When Sultan Mehmed II reached Târgoviște to depose Vlad, he found a "forest" of approximately 20,000–23,000 impaled men, women, and children lining the roads. The victims were often skewered on high, specially placed stakes, creating a ghastly, rotting "garden of agony" that stretched for miles, aimed at demoralizing the Ottoman army .While largely consisting of Turkish prisoners, the victims also included locals, traitors, and criminals, as Vlad used this method to maintain brutal internal control as well. He also dined at that spot. Easter Massacre: On Easter Sunday, Vlad invited the Boyar families to his palace for a feast. After the meal, he interrogated them about how many princes they had served, highlighting their disloyalty. The elderly and infirm Boyars were immediately impaled outside the city of Târgoviște.The younger, able-bodied Boyars and their families were forced into slave labor. They were marched in chains to build Poenari Castle, working until their clothes fell off and they died from exhaustion.

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Super_Sherbet_268@reddit

I heard about the Dutch eating the liver of their Prime minister. I was so disgusted lol.

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Kocha87@reddit

Well, under the Ottoman rule, that honor goes to bishop Teodor Nestorović who was skinned alive after the failed Banat rebellion. Under Habsburg rule, probably, Petar Jovanović Segedinac who led peasant rebellion and was executed on the wheel.

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funnypickle420@reddit

During Skanderbergs rebellion the turks captured 2 albanian nobles, took them to Constantinople and flayed them alive and kept them in in the middle of the square for 2 weeks. Some say they even rubbed salt on them.

I have, and they were nothing compared to the rest of the Balkans, saying that I’m an orthodox Turks when you bootlicked the ottomans so much is truly hilarious cope and projection.

Im not even Pontic Greek but racism against Pontic Greeks from Albanians just so they can cope with their own history is truly pathetic.

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Immediate-Ad-7169@reddit

Skenderbeg might wanna have chat with you..

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Avocado_Affectionado@reddit

Truly a drop of good in a sea of evil.

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Total_Markage@reddit

I really shouldn’t waste my time with nationalistic BS, but here goes.

Albanians are painted as “ottoman booklickers” because they believe in different sky fairies than Greeks, though Albanians aren’t very religious people to be honest. But it’s because Albania had no centralized church structure like the Greeks. The Greeks love to paint themselves as “Christian” but famously said “better the Turkish turban than the Latin mitre.” Turns out history is more complex than people make it seem on this sub. The Ottoman sultan allowed, appointed and restored the Orthodox Church (not only for the Greeks) and they recognized him as their political leader and he let them be an institution of their own. Albanians did not get to have that treatment, they were either treated as enemies of the state (if Catholic) or needed to be represented by local orthodox churches. That made Albanians easy pickings for the blood tax system.

I always love reading “bootlicker” comments by Greeks when they held positions of power in the Ottoman Empire such as Phanariots who were even appointed by the Ottomans to rule the Romanian states on their behalf. People take the last 80 years or so of the Ottoman Empire and forget everything in between.

Serbs like to do this too, but won’t tell you what a loyal vassal Stefan Lazarevic was and helped the Ottomans defend against a crusade. They won’t tell you how many Serb nobles sided with the Ottomans for their own personal gain, which is what feudalism is about anyway, right? By the way, I think Lazarevic is a badass, but that’s because I’m able to remove the nationalistic bs from the equation. But the point remains that rebellious Albanian lords were beheaded while Serbs were allowed to rule as vassals. Of course this will eventually change, but the point remains.

So the ottomans had created a praetorian guard that are emotionally unstable , possibly hormonal imbalances along with the psychological issues that come with brainwashing and learning to oppress your people.

They became for a time the elite class , which were part of the reason the Ottoman Empire rapidly declined (surprisingly killing your sultan because pumpkin spice latte cappuccino wasn’t on the menu would cause lack of progress and corruption )

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btweenthatormohammad@reddit

What is this, Game of Thrones? Janniseries were never castrated.

Albanians revolt of 1912

Additional rebellions

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Glittery_Marshmallow@reddit

That was all after, a whole century after. When your neighbours fought for their feedom in the early 1800, you fought in the name of Turks to keep them oppressed. Of course, you did Turkish dirty workd even before that.

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Mustafa312@reddit

“A whole century after” boy do I have a treat for you.

Albanian revolt of 1432-36

Albanian revolt of 1481-84

Albanian revolt of 1566-71

Albanian revolt of 1570 - Shkoder and Dukagjini lands

Albanian revolt in Kacanik - 1586

Albanian revolt in Sanjak of Ioannina - 1611

Albanian revolts by the Kelmendi - 1630’s

Albanian revolt in Elbasan - 1638

Albanian revolt (7 various tribes - The 7 fold Bajrak) - 1658

Albanian revolt in Margëlliç and Delvine - 1668

Albanian revolt in Hoti and Kuci - 1694

Albanian rebellions in Kolonje, Opar, and Permet - 1703 + 1707

Albanian rebellion in Epirus - 1611

Albanian rebellion in Margëlliç - 1714

Albanian revolt in Mat - 1729

Albanian uprising in Kurvelesh, Margëlliç, Ajdonat - 1739

Albanian uprising in Berat and Mallakaster - 1746

Albanian revolt 1833-39

Albanian revolt of 1843-44

Albanian revolt of 1845

Shkodra revolt of 1847

Shkodra revolt of 1854

Albanian revolt of 1909 - Malesia uprising in Northern Albania.

Albanian revolt of 1910

Albanian revolt of 1911

Albanian revolt of 1912

Link to the years without a link.

Looks like someone is ill informed again.

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Glittery_Marshmallow@reddit

Oh big whop, those are some small revolts that did not amount to anything. Absolutely does not erase the fact that you could not pull yourselves together, precisely because you were licking Turkish boots and attacking others in their name in not so small numbers.

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Mustafa312@reddit

Oh you mean bootlicking like the Serbs who helped the Turks take over Constantinople?

Small revolts?

1912 revolt fielded 15,000- 30,000 against 50,000 Ottoman Turks.

1911 revolt fielded \~28,000 against 3,300 Ottoman Turks.

1910 revolt fielded 3000 against 40,000 Ottoman Turks.

What do you even define as not small revolts lmao?

Liberated? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Albanians_in_the_Balkan_Wars

You call this liberation?! Seriously?

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Mustafa312@reddit

“Last nation to rebel was Albania”

Albanian revolt of 1432-36

Albanian revolt of 1481-84

Albanian revolt of 1566-71

Albanian revolt of 1570 - Shkoder and Dukagjini lands

Albanian revolt in Kacanik - 1586

Albanian revolt in Sanjak of Ioannina - 1611

Albanian revolts by the Kelmendi - 1630’s

Albanian revolt in Elbasan - 1638

Albanian revolt (7 various tribes - The 7 fold Bajrak) - 1658

Albanian revolt in Margëlliç and Delvine - 1668

Albanian revolt in Hoti and Kuci - 1694

Albanian rebellions in Kolonje, Opar, and Permet - 1703 + 1707

Albanian rebellion in Epirus - 1611

Albanian rebellion in Margëlliç - 1714

Albanian revolt in Mat - 1729

Albanian uprising in Kurvelesh, Margëlliç, Ajdonat - 1739

Albanian uprising in Berat and Mallakaster - 1746

Albanian revolt 1833-39

Albanian revolt of 1843-44

Albanian revolt of 1845

Shkodra revolt of 1847

Shkodra revolt of 1854

Albanian revolt of 1909 - Malesia uprising in Northern Albania.

Albanian revolt of 1910

Albanian revolt of 1911

Albanian revolt of 1912

Link to the years without a link.

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TheAimIs@reddit

I read the links. Let's make some comments:

1) Internal problems and prolonged wars by the Ottoman Empire raised the expectations of Greek subjects to end Ottoman rule; as such a rebellion broke out in Himara at 1596 under metropolitan bishop Athanasios of Ohrid, while at 1600 a delegation from central Greece on behalf of Dionysios arrived in Madrid to propose a major revolt.[9] The later had already incited a failed rebellion in Thessaly in 1600.

Albanian revolt but everything is written about Greeks wanting to end Ottoman rule.

2) The beys and agas of southern Albania, who had initially sided with the Ottomans during the Greek War of Independence in 1821, abandoned the battlefield due to not being paid their contractual payment by the Sultan's High Command.

You revolted against your master because you weren't paid. If Ottoman empire had better economy, then you would still be an ottoman province. You revolted against Turks not for freedom but for money.

3) I admit that at the end of 19th century an Albanian identity is created and you start to make revolts for independence.

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btweenthatormohammad@reddit

Albanians in higher places in Ottomans were really common too, tbh I don't see any negative sentiment towards Albanians in Turkey.

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Ujemegaz@reddit

Because we are cool and follow the later trends. Only Greeks and Serbs don't like us because they are envious of our style.

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EdgyNationMemes@reddit

Yes their running dogs.

Why so serious

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FloppyDiskDrives@reddit

Weird flex to brag about being the most efficient outsourced muscle in history. Imagine being proud that your historical legacy is being the Ottoman Empire's favorite attack dogs against your neighbors. 🥴

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Ujemegaz@reddit

Says the Russian pitbull 🤣

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FloppyDiskDrives@reddit

We were never Russian dogs. We just had a mutual respect for one another. Big difference. Go fetch the sultan a baklava.

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Ujemegaz@reddit

We were never Russian dogs.

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Professional-Fee-488@reddit

Name one thing that's generally considered bad/immoral that we did because Russia asked us or wanted us to, you can't, never happened. Both being Slavic and orthodox helps build bonds, and staying true to your roots builds integrity and further strengthens those bonds, something albanians such as yourself naturally can't seem to grasp, you betrayed your culture and religion to become a puppet of your oppressor and went against your neighbors in hopes you'll somehow profit from it, same as you are now supporting, cheering and simping israel while they're committing unspeakable atrocities across the middle east, how embarrassing.

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Ujemegaz@reddit

Funny you consider religion a culture, because you have no other tradition to cling to, and you call it a culture even. Religion means nothing to us, you call it betrayal 🤣

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Professional-Fee-488@reddit

Religion AND culture, strawman much? Also the two were historically inseparable, nowadays they have become naturally segregated, as they should be.

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P-l-Staker@reddit

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What? He was the Scourge of Carpathia. The Sorrow of Moldavia.

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Zooz00@reddit

The Balkans got nothing on us. I didn't see anyone eating their head of state among the stories here.

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Vestout@reddit

Nah man, Ottomans had a monopoly on torture and violence against criminals. Literally only Turks executed and converted their enemies. Let me suck on some enlightened Western European air defence system for saving us from the cruel Turk.

/s

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NE0NINJA@reddit

The origins of gyro i guess

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BrazilianFascisMan@reddit

Tiradentes participated in a revolt (called the Minas Gerais Conspiracy) to overthrow the Portuguese crown and create a separatist state in Minas Gerais. However, everything went wrong because one of the conspirators betrayed him and everyone else to the authorities. At the trial, only Tiradentes was condemned, while the rest were pardoned (if I'm not mistaken, or received lesser sentences).

As a result, the man was killed in a public square, his body was quartered (as you can see in the image) and displayed in squares as intimidation. There was also a black warrior named Zumbi dos Palmares who led a community of slaves against the Portuguese masters. His community was attacked by mercenaries, and he was beheaded and his body displayed in front of a church.

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wantmywings@reddit

I am not “trying to take” anyone here. The person referenced were acting on behalf of the Ottomans, thus they are Ottomans. If Dua Lipa ends up Prime Minister of the UK and declares war on Algeria, it doesn’t mean the Albanians did it.

Dix_PourCent@reddit

Were they acting on proxy of the empire? If yes, it was the empire, not the Albanians.

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BurgurluGenc031@reddit

https://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezarp%C3%A2re_Ahmed_Pa%C5%9Fa

This dude was a corrupted grand vizier at the ottoman doin everything for his greed. İn short he dies in a rebel and when he gets caught by the people doin rebel,they cuts his body meat in dice cuttin way to thousand of pieces and sells it.

thanasis87kav@reddit

Ottomans had institutional abduction of infidels' children and continued the practice of flaying people alive and implemented until 19th century. The issue is that the rest, evolved, Ottomans remained an empire of 16th century for the next 300yrs

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LibertyChecked28@reddit

when he gets caught by the people doin rebel,they cuts his body meat in dice cuttin way to thousand of pieces and sells it.

The Dutch at home 😬

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According to Wiki there was nothing extraordinary about his hanging?

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IonutRO@reddit

So he wasn't so Athanasios after all?

!Athanasios means deathless.!<

I am Orthodox Albanian and i dont know for what are you talking about .

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Observe_Report_@reddit

My family is Albanian Catholic from southern Montenegro, land taken to form Yugoslavia. Clannish or tribal, whatever you want to call it.

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Ujemegaz@reddit

In Albania we call them bajrak, not clan. Tribe is smaller than bajrak. But few were muslims.

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Babuci97@reddit

And you think Albanian muslims persecute Albanian Cathilc there ?

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Ujemegaz@reddit

Albanians are clannish people, at least they are from the region my family is from

Not all. Where i am from no one cares about "clan". We never had those.

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Observe_Report_@reddit

That’s why I said “at least they are…”

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buccabeer2@reddit

Drake was absolutely murdered recently. Huge L for canada

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LibertyChecked28@reddit

In Batak children got impaled and then spit roasted for the sake of psychologically torturing their parents before finally killing/graping them.

Bulgar is just another word for peasant

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fogleth@reddit

The most prominent Macedonian revolutionary whose death involved beheading by Greek forces is Vasil Chakalarov (also spelled Vasil Chekalarov). He was a prominent leader (voivode) of the Internal Macedonian Revolutionary Organization (IMRO) in the Kastoria (Kostur) region. His death is a significant event in Macedonian historical memory:

Death and Decapitation: Chakalarov was killed by Greek soldiers on July 9, 1913, during the Second Balkan War. After he was killed near the village of Belkamen (now Drosopigi, Greece), his head was severed and taken to the city of Lerin (Florina).
Symbolic Act: Accounts state that Greek soldiers paraded his head through the streets of Lerin, reportedly proclaiming, "There is no more Chakalarov, there is no more Macedonia". This act was intended to demoralize the local population and the revolutionary movement.

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Witty-Artichoke-8878@reddit

*peasant

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Radiant_Sunpriest@reddit

Sry

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btweenthatormohammad@reddit

It sounds too brutal to be true.

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Jealous-Plankton1129@reddit

1514, Medieval Hungary.

Worth noting that Dózsa led a Peasant revolt, a pretty big one, so they deemed the punishment worthy enough.

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AntiKouk@reddit

Who's this

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Jealous-Plankton1129@reddit

Dózsa György/György Dózsa.

Surprisingly, it wasn't the Ottomans, but us, Hungarians.

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vodkasucker@reddit

Why surprisingly though? Do you honestly think that the Ottoman brutality was abnormal? Really? If anything the Ottomans were a lot more tolerant and humane compared to their neighbours, that is how they managed to rule the balkans for centuries.

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Sardoodledome@reddit

The Ottomans humane ?!!?!??!?! Dude stop the vodka ... at this point your brain cells are non-existent !

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neckke@reddit

He has a point… they were brutal, but still, honestly if they wanted they would “delete” most of the Balkan Ethnic groups… but still they needed jannisaries, -hungarians where much more brutal compared to Turks

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Leather-Substance-39@reddit

Hungarians were not more brutal than Ottomans. Plenty of Wallachians (Romanians), Serbs and Croats migrated to Hungary to seek refuge from the Ottoman oppression. The Turks genocided the areas they occupied, depopulated the Great Plain region of Hungary for like 200 years. Later the Habsburgs called on German, Slavic and Wallachian settlers to repopulate that part of the country. That's why there are Slovak, German, Romanian villages all over the South-Eastern part of Hungary even today. And ethnic Serb towns around Budapest. The Serbs escaped the Turks en masse and were allowed to settle along the Danube river South and North of Buda (today Budapest).

When it came to squashing peasant revolts or religious wars all feudal societies and nobility from all states went full berserk. It wasn't about killing off certain ethnicities it was about protecting the order of the feudal society or the Catholic Church (in case of religious wars). German peasant revolts (Florian Geyer) were put down in the most brutal way, too. Hungarian peasant revolt lead by Gyorgy Dozsa was put down in a way that sent a message. The leaders were executed in a brutal way but the bulk of the peasants were sent home for the harvest. The nobles needed the workforce so they spared the simple low-ranking peasant soldiers. Leaders were made a brutal example of but the workforce had to be spared otherwise the whole country would have starved to death.

Polish land owning nobles (szlachta) put down peasant revolts, cossack uprisings in the Ukraine in a brutal manner as well. Well the revolting cossacks and peasants were not too kind to the local Jewish, Polish city dwellers either, they organized pogroms, murdered and raped Jews, Gypsies, Poles. The Crimean Tatars, Ottoman Turks, Albanians took slaves at every oportunity. They sold entire villages, towns into slavery at once.

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Lothronion@reddit

but still, honestly if they wanted they would “delete” most of the Balkan Ethnic groups…

If they succeeded in doing so, their state would collapse, as it was almost entirelly funded by heavy taxation on the non-Muslims. This was even the argument against a total genocide and extermination of Greeks in 1770 AD.

A person who has religion as the red line for not doing that to someone is a person capable of doing that to anyone.

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ThickCaterpillar9867@reddit

It does not matter the analogy js the same ,how long have you been jn the US?people growing up or migrating usually get dumber to adapt to the American society

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P-l-Staker@reddit

It does not matter the analogy js the same

No, mate. It really isn't 😂

,how long have you been jn the US?

Been where now?! 😂

people growing up or migrating usually get dumber to adapt to the American society

Ah, I see. You must be in the US then. Got it, that explains a lot! 👍

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Ujemegaz@reddit

Half of Ali Pasha's army was composed of Greeks.

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Jediuzzaman@reddit

"Infidels" may turn into Islam, repent their previous actions/crimes sincerely and get excused by the authorities back in Ottoman times. This is not a "forceful conversion", according to their view but more like a "last exit" before the execution.

Ottomans were wise enough to know forceful conversions won't work and was not economically meaningful since the taxing base was mostly rely on "non-muslim" tax payers.

What a dumb thing to say, you basically collected in your head a bunch statements made online by completely different people and decided to mix them together, making them contradict one another. Your evidence regarding Greek people swinging back and forth are literally ideas expressed by seperate people.

Also, generalizing a whole country's population and making assumptions based on random statements you see online is a dangerous game to play when you are an Albanian, your online community has said some pretty wild contradicting things as well my friend.

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tejanaqkilica@reddit

If you think that by "The Greeks", I mean every single Greek, dead or alive, that has ever existed, thinks exactly the same, without any sort of deviation, a exact carbon copy across the board, then you my dear friend, have some issues.

Clearly, it was implied that by "The Greeks", in this context, are those who play this sort of soft racism online, which funnily enough is always the same backhand racism, the same style, the same format. Either there's an agenda behind it and some groups of interests are pushing for it, or this is simply how it is taught in Greek education system.

If there are online Albanian communities that play this sort of racism card online, then shame on them. Disgusting behavior that must be criticized.

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kalazaoo@reddit

Not only Albanians, but most balkan online communities are littered by racist unhistorical idiots making emotional claims everywhere. Being able to filter these people's opinions out, recognizing their irellevance is a virtue, one which you seemingly dont have.

Insane ! Thank you

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Solid-Scarcity-236@reddit

The execution of Karposh in late 1689 remains one of the most somber and significant events in the history of Skopje. Following the retreat of the Austrian forces and the suppression of the Karposh Uprising, the legendary "King of Kumanovo" was captured and brought to the city to face a public, symbolic death.
The Stone Bridge (Kamen Most) was chosen as the site for the execution not just for its central location, but for its visibility. It served as a warning to the local population against future rebellions. Karposh was brought before the Ottoman commander, Koca Mahmud Pasha, and the Crimean Khan, Selim I Giray, who were overseeing the re-establishment of Ottoman control in the region.

The Execution

The accounts of his death describe a process designed to be both cruel and humiliating:

Impaling: Historical records and oral traditions indicate that Karposh was first subjected to impalement—a common and brutal Ottoman punishment for rebels. This was done in full view of the public gathered at the bridge.
The Final Blow: While he was still alive or immediately following his impalement, he was reportedly pierced by Ottoman lances (yatagans) or spears.
The Vardar River: In a final act of dismissal, his body was thrown from the Stone Bridge into the Vardar River. By casting him into the water, the authorities intended to deny him a proper burial and a grave that could serve as a pilgrimage site for his followers.

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NateInEC@reddit

🤡

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hgaben90@reddit

Just like a clockwork. An Albanian martyr killed by Greeks here, a Greek martyr killed by Albanians there. Could you be just a little less obvious, Sergey?

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Both_Historian_3025@reddit

Islam=religion of peace

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BurgurluGenc031@reddit

Religion itself is,problem is the people. Like in islam history,right after death of last prophet muhammed,corruption like fake prohpets or inside fights starts. They kill his descendant just bcs hes not agree on the things they want.

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neckke@reddit

🙌

Greatly explained, more deaths were caused by christians than muslims, but warlords dont represent their religion, its the real followers that do

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Plus_Ad5423@reddit

It's clear those back in the day in the Balkans we're sadistic twisted people that took Great pleasure seeing you die in agony limbs torn slowly passing gasping and hearing the beautiful sounds of a dying soul

All whilst drinking wine and eating grapes

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