I don’t have anything against Turkish people, but I don’t see Turkey joining the European Union anytime soon. Even though it’s officially a candidate, the process has been stalled for years, and under Erdogan it seems very unlikely to move forward.
If they get a new government and the process gets moving the amount of vetos that they will get during their accession process will be legrndary. Greece, Bulgaria and then a bunch of soyjak countries like the Netherlands, Denmark, etc.
I don't see how we will be the ones that veto them. Cyprus aside, we were the ones that have "Turkey aligned with the EU" as our top strategic objective, and were the ones that supported their candidacy in the first place at a time where all we heared from other European countries was nothing less than complete paranoia and islamophobic bullshit.
Because yeah, "Turkey bad" doesn't really works for us, long term. Every step Turkey makes towards joining the EU benefits us tremendously, it would means them finally ratifying UNCLOS, millitary deescalation and cooperation, alignment on key areas of services, industry and infrastructure, maybe even some form of expansion of the cusoms union? Single market-lite? I can't stress how AMAZING all of these things would be for us.
But that's the catch 22, really. The only way this works for us, is if Turkey joins the rest of us in the 21st century, and if we're not the ones that join Turkey in the 19th century. If the EU has to make concessions to Turkey, then that doesn't benefit us at all, and concessions and barter diplomacy is all that Turkey ever brougs into any process they are involved with (see Sweden's and Finland's Nato Accession)
He got arrested over corruption charges in the 90's (Also his son ran over some poor soul and ran away from the country) but EU courts ruled that he must be released because he's just a "conservative liberal"
Even if we somehow reach a Scandinavian level of democracy we'll still be stuck as a candidate. Because our population is way too big and we border 3 hellholes at the same time along with being majority Muslim.
Turkey won't get in as long as they don't give Cyprus back tbh.
You can't have a country joining the EU when it's actively committing ethnic cleansing on a another member.
This isn't @ Turkish people, who are great people (I live near and am friends with a lot in Germany), however the Nation State of Turkey has taken 35% of an EU member's land and has imported near enough half a million people to colonize it. It's very clear at this point Turkey want the Island for strategic reasons and not to protect people.
Greece will veto it, Cyprus will veto it, and the UK will veto it.
there is some truth and some disinformation in this bait of a comment, but I just wanted to add that none of these things matter in the end. france would never let turkey in as a full member. they like being a part of eu and doing the imperialism at the same time, which is something none of the other countries do at this point. and turkey and france are rivals as regional powers right now.
In the proposed deal in the early 2000s, Turkey refused to relocate the colonizers, refused to come to an agreement about giving Greek Cypriots their houses and land back, demanded that the Turkish minority would still have power at times via a rotating government system (this isn't democrocy), the Turks put that deal forward knowing the Greek side wouldn't agree.
Bait? Since when Cyprus had Turks? Turkey made war with Cyprus to have her and burned the houses of the Cyprus citizens and a lot of them have never been found. Turkey killed people in Cyprus. Unfortunately the situation is still the same and something has to happen to be Cyprus again free
truth is about 40% of cypriots have turkish background. this was at the time of the invasion. of course if cyprus ever reunifies transplant trnc citizens should count.
you disregard the truth for your ideology. that's what makes you, as you said, a fascist.
Due to the Ottoman Empire there were some Turks in Cyprus. After the new invasion in the 1970s you sent more Turks on purpose and took the land and houses and created a pseudo-state. These are the facts. You have invaded an EU member state. You should resolve it and free Cyprus. Your foreign policy is usually very wrong, I watch it closely, I don’t know what to say. The citizens are not like this. We even resemble you. Your politicians are very aggressive.
After the new invasion in the 1970s you sent more Turks on purpose
not me pal
took the land and houses and created a pseudo-state
also not me
You have invaded an EU member state.
it wasn't an eu member state then. and the invasion was very much justified.
also, again, not me.
You should resolve it and free Cyprus.
yes, I agree. you don't though.
Your foreign policy is usually very wrong
yes it is.
none of these change the fact that you want cyprus to belong to greece, and I believe cyprus should be free and belong to cypriots, and that makes only one of us a fascist.
These are the facts that doesn't make me a fascist. If I was ,I would convince. Free Cyprus and the cyprots will decide. Their choice. Our brothers. We love them anyway. We love your people too. Just NOT Erdogan at all!xx
also, if eu had backbone, they wouldn't work with erdoğan from the start and save us from a huge amount of headache. I'm glad you guys can finally see eu for what it is, instead of what it cosplays as.
you want sources for why france won't let turkey in? do you expect macron to say "we won't let turkey in because we also do the imperialism in the mediterranean region like they do"?
Prove it wrong. Entire Cyprus beef started with ENOSIS and EOKA. Grivas was a nationalist and they found the solution by eliminating the Turkish Cypriots. If you ask this to an average Greek in here you get the answer as “Turks aren’t ethnically from Anatolia and Cyprus so they should leave and genocide is permitted.” So why the heck am I have to agree with this. Isn’t it racism?
What reason now 50 years later for Turkey to hold on to the land, or start exploration for Gas reserves around the island?
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And again, if your stance is this is ok from Turkey, why can't Greeks and Armenians have some of their land back in Turkey and be allowed to hold a military presence, just as Turkey are doing in Cyprus?
first every once in a blue moon Greece and Cyprus threat Turkish presence in there and when they do they use Grivas and EOKA in front. Even in this year the Cypriot Special Forces were chanting they will enter the Constantinople and put cross on top of Hagia Sophia again etc. Last year army was chanting they are sworn to enter Karpaz etc.
second and for nowadays you are flirting with Israel a known genocidal state. Look I know Greeks aren't approving this relationship but government is still donig that.
third is well yeah if we loose Cyprus, Greece will encircle us completely.
Correct. We'll said. Turkey has ti understand after 50 years that lost the war in Cyprus because they made war actually and have to give back the houses and the land. Enough
No I do not. TRNC has declared independence and they are an independent state now because the supposed Republic of Cyprus tried to genocide them you know. Now it is a free state and their own buisness to accept anyone they like. We did not move people there. Overtime people moved by themselves without asking the Greek administration or as you call Cyprus
Then greece/cyprus should not have been allowed in EU. Ethnic cleansing, did you hear anything about the bloody noel and other massacres done by greeks that forced Turkey to do something about it?
For the current situation i hope there can be found a way that makes both parties feel equally heard. I dont think Turkish cypriots are happy with having a state that recognized by nobody either.
why wouldn't Turkey be in if the democracy was top notch? that sounds to me like inferiority complex emotional bullshit than actual facts. Turkey is corrupt to the core, I mean how can you aspire to the EU when you have a dictator in power? If you look to countries who joined EU, all were under dictatoriship, including my own. There's hope for Turkey but it needs to come from the population and that mentality needs to change.
blaming eu for erdoğan is nothing more than cope. eu was never that influential in turkish politics, and we were being ruled by islamists for most of our history since 1950. and it wasn't eu courts who released erdoğan from jail.
Mate the entire Western World were supporting Islamists the only reason why they kept on existing was because they were allowed to keep their presence in Europe. Why do you think Kadir Mısıroğlu escaped to the UK? Or why do you thing Gülen is in the US?
none of that changes the fact that we still willingly put islamists in power, foreign influence or otherwise. blaming others for our own bullshit is simply cope.
proof to that is clear in erdoğan's old party. you know, the one who got coup'd cus erbakan gave the slightest hint that he'd take turkey out of american sphere of influence? you know the same guy that managed to win despite him never really hiding his anti american bent? the guy who also taught erdoğan how to do politics and is still widely respected by islamist erdoğan voters in this country?
american influence carries some blame, but by far majority of it lies within us, and that is a simple fact.
you claimed eu "kinda" put him in power. you claimed eu demanded him to be released. you claimed eu was influential enough in turkish politics to put him in charge. and now you are claiming that this is not stuff you said. really?
like, your whole claim is based on bullshit to begin with. he was not charged with corruption when he was jailed. he was charged for going against the secular state and inciting religious hatred because of the poem he had read. that wasn't a corruption case. and eu did not even make an official response to him being jailed in the first place.
If it'd be Up To you would you Like to Join the EU?
As a EU Member i Always thought it would make Sense and would be a benefit for both sides. Im really sad to See how our politicians Talk about turkey.
Cyprus is an island in the eastern Mediterranean that has changed 'ownership' multiple times throughout history.
Most recently before independence it was controlled by the British Empire, previous to that the Ottoman Empire.
Cypriots are ethnically Greek, however there was a sizeable minority of Turks left over from the Ottoman occupation. It was around 85:15 Greek:Turkish.
The British (I'm British) were involved for sure in destabilizing the population to remain in power, however in the early 1970s a portion of Greek Cypriots started colluding to unify with mainland Greece. There had been multiple instances of ethnic violence from both sides previously, however the Greek Cypriots killed a few hundred Turks in around 1973/4.
Turkey responded, invaded the whole Island, killed over 1500 Greek Cypriots, raped thousands of women, and forcibly removed Greek Cypriots from their homes in the northern 35% of the island.
Turkey has since then imported hundreds of thousands of mainland Turks to settle/colonize the northern part of Cyprus.
There was a proposes reunification agreement in 2004.
Turkey refuses to give houses back to the original owners, stated their military would still be permanently deployed on the island, and demanded that the Turkish minority would still at times hold political power with a rotating government system. Where the Greek Cypriots would hold power half the time and then the Turks the other half.
In short, Greek Cypriots arguably started it, and Turkey used it as an excuse to take half the country for themselves.
If the EU has backbone there would be real visa restrictions and trade embargos on Turkey until they gave the land back.
Really the EU needs to sort itself out, build up its military and then it will be in a position to actually fix the issue.
Unless the EU reforms itself into tiers. Turkey wouldn't pose any issues from being in the European Economic Area for example, since it's strictly economical and both entities would benefit from it.
There was an answer, it seems deleted, I still gonna give an answer to that. Because I typed it already:
I see you back off from your perspective of needs to perspective of Christian. Well it was the right move because it was stupid to ignore the power of Türkiye, well done!
I would assume we are much more closer in some matters to being ‘European’ than again, let’s say Romania for the sake of comparing, we have clearly higher HDI than Romania , comparing economy and armies is not even funny 😅 so Romania only has church over mosque, which is a huge plus than all those above, I agree with you there.
The EU doesn’t really need either. In fact, the EU could operate with only a few core countries, like Germany, France, Italy, and the Netherlands.
That being said, Romania is a European country and predominantly white and Christian, while Turkey is predominantly muslim, non-European, and a dictatorship with a huge population.
The EU doesn’t need 80 million muslims within its borders, not to mention that allowing Turkey to join the EU would basically allow the entire Middle East to migrate to Europe, since Turkey is a Middle Eastern country.
Strengthens what? Do you think that Turkey's geopolitical moves and plans are going to change if Erdogan was gone today? That's not how countries/states work in the background.
It is not about Erdogan himself tbh Turkey joining the EU makes no sense if you take the population and economic reasons into consideration. Turkey is almost 85 million, if they were to become a full EU member they'd take the most seats alongside Germany and become the dominant population (not even counting the number of Turks living in EU, even Germany alone hosts almost 4 million Turks itself) economically it would also be a disaster. But ofc no one will address this and think it is because of laws or democracy, when in reality the issue is based on more objective realities on the table.
So did turkey do anything jn those 70 years to enact the necessary reforms required for joining? Do they have all the necessary safeguards
In place to prevent autocracy and the rule of law being independent?
We also doesn’t want to enter to Eu at all, the middle class only loves to visit your country, I know we are overwhelming, just because of big population, but believe me giving visa free access will rocket Bulgarian economy, for example, since you are so close to us. I have been to Sofia dupnitsa, Plovdiv and Burgas a few times, your country is a nature beauty but the progress is so tiresome and needed to loosen a little.
Its funny because whenever there is a discussion about Turkey’s candidacy, how it’s economically, socially and democratically behind EU standards, I always bring up Bulgaria, Hungary and Romania, how are they up to EU standards and Turkey is not? i don’t have anything against people from these countries though.
That being said, I also don’t think Turkey will be in the RU ever, not because it’s not democratic or rich enough, but because it’s simply too big in terms of population, land, military strength and even economy.
It’s easier for countries like Montenegro to enter the union because they are entering the union to follow the rules of the union and can’t push their own agenda. Whereas Turkey entering the union would grant her power equal (if not more) to that of Germany&France, and these countries would absolutely not want to share their monopoly and dictate over the union.
Some European redditors interpret Turkey’s intent to enter the union as “oohh look at Turkbois, they wanna join EU but we don’t give them permission” but reality is Turkey’s intention is not to be accepted into the union, but getting strong enough to make deals with the EU on eye-to-eye level
Cyprus was literally allowed to join eventhough it was clearly against EU admission rules that states no country with ongoing territorial disputes will be allowed in the Union. So it’s EU’s own doing and I think it’s up to them to sort it out.
You are mixing two things up. I am not talking about the legitimacy. Cyprus still has a territorial disputes, if you can’t project force on your claimed land, then you clearly don’t own that piece of land which means somebody else is claiming it as well which means there is a territorial disputes.
You can call it invasion, theft, sorcery or whatever you like. It doesnt change the fact that Cyprus has territorial disputes.
Plus I would %100 be on your side if the conflict started after Cyprus joined EU. But it happened decades after start of the conflict.
So according to you, if say Kazakhstan motioned to join the EU. Russia can go illegally take a 1 square mile part of land, and now Kazakhstan can't join the EU?
I'm going to be honest. EU is always dishonest with us. Most of the time they will not do what they promised us to do but also if I was a leader in the EU I also would not want Turkey in EU because it's bigger and worse version of Hungary. Turkey's corruption level is of the charts, the justice system will literally relase murderers, gangsters in order to have space for opposition leaders or people who protest this. While Turkey is not yet Russia 2.0 it's going to that direction very fast.
I didn't say they are perfect they have their own problems like for example good chunk of their politicians "lobbied" by other nations for example if I remember right one German Chancellor became gasprom manager after his term but there is bad and there is worse
That's not my conjecture because Russia either invaded or vassalized every neighbouring country that they could take on a fight for example their intervention in Kazakshtan and Azerbaijan, occupation parts of Georgia and Ukraine additionally Turkey had the right as a one of the guarantors of Cyprus to invade and while you can say current division is illegal but Turkey and Northern Cyprus accepted terms for reannexation under certain terms and Current northern Cyprus goverment is also pro negotiation for reannexation can you say same for Luhansk or Donetsk or Crimea or Abkhazia etc
All those regions aren't EU member states though? Idk what you are even arguing here. Russia isn't occupying an EU country and Turkey is. So clearly Turkey has moved ahead of Russia in this regard
Turkey occupied Cyprus before it was EU nation and technically Turkey had even veto rights for Cyprus that would stop them from joining EU also only reason Russia didn't attacked any EU nation is because of NATO and EU's own article 5 not because they didn't want to but because they couldn't do since they need close to 3 to 1 advantage even stand a chance but even then they don't have a chance just look at Ukraine as soon as pro western goverment comes they attack Ukraine and they even struggle with a nation that is one third of their population so only reason Poland or any baltic countries or any EU other nation wasn't attacked because they knew they would loose.
Like many things to do which are not supported by people. With Cyprus and immigration based demands. There is no hope to get into EU (I dont even thing it is worth to get into EU) and even we cover every needs high possibly some countries veto to join.
Cyprus was never meant to join EU until the UN solved the problem, however during the negotiations EU decided to pre-maturely admit Republic of Cyprus which ended giving them a better position to negatiate from and forced a stale-mate
there's also the question if it makes sense for us to be a full member. I'd rather be a close ally and stay free to deal with the shithole right next to us the way we choose to. we are already in the customs union, no reason we can't integrate further in terms of commerce, defence, get into schengen etc but stay out of eu.
being an eu member will for sure come with a hit on your sovereignty, though that depends how powerful you can be within the union.
I just have a feeling that a lot of eu stuff will keep us from dealing with russia and middle east shit at some point. we have a powerful military and a very well regulated and integrated banking system, we are a logistics hub for a lot of existing and future networks, including energy transport. why let brussels have any say?
hence I believe we should aim for a norway-type relationship with the eu.
I personally don't want to join EU because I don't want to see AKP as EUs largest political party. EU parliament already voted against chat control by a single vote difference. I don't want to see what having AKP terror organisation does to EU.
Some people wants including myself for only 1 reason. Living in a more civilized placed that the laws are protecting you instead of being a bat of the president. Joining EU would make everything easier to leave Türkiye to stay away the current government. Or fix the country and make it as it use to be like 20 years ago to join EU. But if we fix the country I don't care EU at all tbh.
Tbh joining the EU isn’t what gets you rule of law. You need to sort out rule of law and implement reforms in order to be eligible to join - Turkey just hasn’t really been doing EU accession reforms for ages now, much like Serbia. Joining the EU isn’t some waiting game, where if you wait long enough you get in, it’s a huge amount of legislative and administrative work in order to create a state structure harmonized with EU law.
and this is why Turkey will stay like for quite some time. EU isn't an all buffet that you can eat, it's an idea for better world. If all you care is about economy, who's to say that Turkey won't have exit like UK after it got up on it's legs thanks to EU? Remember that UK was known as the sick man of Europe before it joined EU. Turkey needs a mentality change, else it will remain in poverty and corruption and any talent will seek to move abroad. I'm one of the people who hopes Turkey joins one day but not in the current state. Montenegro deserves the progress towards EU, Turkey does not at the moment.
Firstly,the laws protecting you thing isn't working well in UE now either.
Secondly ,running from your problems doesn't work unless you change yourself for the place you move in,otherwise you either won't fit in,or too many will move as well and repeat what caused the problems!
Firstly you have no idea. If you criticize the government, you'll find yourself in jail with no reason. You could lose your job etc. If you criticize the Islam, same things happens. So you have 2 option in here. Shut up, and prepare the worse. Or don't shut up and get the worst.
Secondly, merit. That's what lacks Türkiye. Shiny ones will find a way because Europe has the merit way more than Turkiye. There are a lot of qualified people who can work and do business in EU ever since corruption reached to the job life. Qualified people struggling to find a job while the people who has a network with strong people get the job regardless of how good or bad they are. Finding job in Europe is way harder with the current way. If you are being able to have Schengen then moving out is way easier which would really step up to find a job in EU. It'll be easier actually. European companies asks less things than Turkish companies. And Turkish companies asks many qualifications and yet they don't hire because someone will sneak in and get the job with their connections. I experienced that a couple of years before as a production engineer.
Also starting a business in EU would be way more beneficial because there are laws which protects you. The taxes aren't that ridiculous and brokers are not salvaging you if you made a product or start a farm. One single cabbage they will give you 4TL per cabbage and you'll see them 50TL on the supermarkets. Buying vehicles isn't different or you don't need to show your greetings to a political party to get your business works.
So if we get in EU right now, nothing will get worse for Turkish people. But if we have the qualifications then we don't need to join in EU. It'll be more beneficial to EU than Türkiye.
Is actually a bit depressive how optimistic you are of EU,because most of it isn't true.
"First you have no idea. If you criticize the government, you'll find yourself in jail for no reason. You could lose your job, etc. If you criticize Islam, same things happen. So you have 2 options here. Shut up, and prepare for the worst. Or don't shut up and get the worst."
Especially this part is close to happening in EU as well,just by masking it as "hate speech".
Yup. So aiming to join EU is enough for Türkiye. Joining isn't a necessity. But if Türkiye reaches that level then EU would definitely want to see Türkiye as their member more than anything. However we are moving away from the level to join in EU which makes the people who has a slight piece of brain sad.
İ have money i want to visit europe but i need fking visa i went all balkan,france and germany countries but know i cant go my visa got declined i dont know why, i applied greece for schengen. İ think because greeks hates us.
❤️ you. We are constantly being beaten up on the internet as if we are dying to join the EU. 😅 But i really don’t know a single person that wants to be in the union apart from some politicians and media people that constantly push it for decades.
În România we say “we cannot be with the dick in the ass and the soul in heaven”. I suppose everyone would love an EU standard country/government without the responsibilities.
Crna Gora ti je kontenjer? E kakvi blavori zive odje. Da si putovala po svijetu i bila u zemlje koje "glorifikujes" vidjela bi gdje u stvari zivis. Nego nema potrebe objasnjavat ista osobi sa takvim stavom, nego ti lijepo kupi kartu za Dubaji i nemoj se vracat.
Pa za početak mi kao ženi uopšte nije prijatno da slušam naslove o osamnaestogodišnjaku koji je silovao ili istu djevojku više puta ili više djevojaka, ne sjećam se više, koji je dobio, pazi ovo, kućni pritvor jer sudinica tvrdi da je "odrastao u okolini u kojoj mu niko nije rekao da je silovanje loša stvar". Onda je tu ona djevojka (valjda se zvala Ajla) što se prije par godina žalila institucijama na bivšeg koji joj je prijetio smrću. Jel' se sjećaš tog slučaja i kako se završio? Ili ona Milica što je slomila svom silovatelju ruku, pa je morala da plati odštetu, a on ništa jer "nije stigao da je siluje"? Kao čovjeku mi smeta onaj poštar što su ga prije par godina institucije proglasile za samoubicu, a on nađen sa vezanim rukama, dok od novca koji je sa sobom nosio nema ni traga. Šta ćemo sa svim onim slučajevima smrti izazvanih greškom ljekara u barskoj i pljevaljskoj bolnici koje su prošle bez ičije odgovornosti, dok među žrtvama ima djece, a među doktorima onih sa kupljenim diplomama? Kao građanki mi smeta premijer kog svako malo uhvatimo u laži (Jel' se sjećaš kad je rekao da mu je barska policija poručila da ne dolazi u tu opštinu zbog svoje bezbjednosti, samo da bi se oni oglasili objasnivši da to nikad nisu rekli, onoga kad je "odjavio" srbijansko državljanstvo pa baš na Sretenje kad srpske institucije i ne rade? Eto da ti nabrojim dvije njegove najgluplje laži. Razumijem ja da polotičari lažu, ali moraš bar znati lagat). Prošle godine u sred sezone nisi mogao neometano proći od sjevera ka jugu jer jedni protestuju u Šavniku oko izbora, drugi na Cetinju zbog onih ubistava. Usput da spomenem kriminalne klanove, pucnjavu u Budvi, drogu na brodu Jadran (državni brod, btw, nije privatno vlasništvo), raznošenje kola po Baru...
I ne, neću otići u inat takvima kao što si ti jer ja svoju zemlju volim i namjerno ću se boriti za to da bude bolja, radije nego je ostaviti takvima kao što si ti koji će rado mahati zastavom i svojim lažnim patriotizmom dok nam se država raspada pred očima, a ljudi odlaze.
At very high cost. Had to send their soldires to Ukraine first. I think EU will only let those join that want to be cannon fodder for the Germanys interrsts
Bulgaria decided to ask for minority rights on top of some recognition that Macedonian is a dialect of Bulgarian and some other historic concessions.
As someone who’s family is from both sides of the border, I could care less about semantics, history or any of that, but it is a part of a nation’s identity and Bulgaria is pushing Macedonia to basically admit its just Bulgaria lite. It’s a dick move and just another example of one Balkan ethnic group trying to dominate another.
As a response, Macedonia said it won’t abide by these demands and Bulgaria used its veto right to block the North Macedonian ascension process.
Both sides are at fault for the way things are because there’s also a lot of discontent towards Bulgarians in Macedonia and while not unfounded, it’s excessive since sometimes people who don’t want to be involved in this squabble get caught in the crossfire.
I hope we drop our veto in Bulgaria and have North Macedonia ascend to the union in the near future, cause that’s the best way to reconcile both sides, by dropping the border, being in the same union, with the same currency and accepting that we’re gonna get along irrespective of stupid historic grievances.
Its very little to do with minority rights thats just the smokescreen, the fact of the matter is the current government enjoys an absolute majority in parliament, managed to subdue public administration, the courts and prosecutors office, even the universities and moving towards the EU would be ruinous for the current establishment. Even more disastrous if they make Bulgaria public discourse that would instantly ruin them and no corrupt politician would do that to himself.
Also theres Radev the man hates us and he also has an absolute majority in the Bulgarian parliament so the situation is in a bit of a deadlock until further notice in a few decades maybe.
We will be so happy that we will vomit from happiness. The European Union did nothing about the disaster in Palestine, and now in Iran. The master of the EU, Trump, forced IRAN to close Hormuz through aggression, and now he is saying that America has enough oil for itself, that Europe suffers the most because of the closure of the strait, and that they do not want to help in "opening". If the EU had a backbone, which it doesn't, it would unanimously let America know that Hormuz was open before they started the aggression. But of course that won't happen. Because the EU has only one goal, hatred and desire. As throughout history, to destroy Russia. Russians are "terrorists and criminals" because of Ukraine, and Israel and America are flowers because of Iraq, Palestine, Lebanon, Iran, Venezuela, etc. etc. etc. Double standards ;)
EU is a christian club. Nobody on either side believed that they would take Turkiye in. They see the Turks as the enemy. As long as France and Germany exist, there will be no real talks of EU membership of Turkiye.
that is quite an unfair comparison, no? I mean Turkey has a dictator in charge and the population is saying ok en masse. How can you say EU is larping when the will and the work has to come from Turkey's side?
I don't think we'll join the EU. They don't want to accept us for many reasons, including religious and nationalistic views. We'll continue waiting at the door and chasing visas for tourist trips.
Man, whenever I see some post on this subreddit it's almost always about Turks...
For the note; I'm not Turkish nor European so I don't have a race in this horse.
From my perspective, I think y''all claim to hate Turkey all the time but also can't stop talking about them even in the most irrelevant subjects. This is almost as if the balkanese countries have daddy issues with Turkey or smth...
LOL.
Keep the hate going tho, I'm learning new things in this sub.
I mean... I vaguely knew the rivalry between two countries before but ever since I found this sub I'm shocked about the amount of hatred towards turks...
From my perspective, u guys are trying so hard to act like u dont care about them but at the same time, EVERY OTHER THING that is getting posted over here is somehow being about turks...
LOL
I thought u guys were cool with all those philosophers, tragedias and shit... instead, u turned out to be such insecure losers who think they are superior than the other...
I'm just saying, since u care about it too much, it's bad optics for you guyz but at the end of the day IDGAF so keep the hatred goin!
(btw, after this interaction with this angry greeko, kinda started to feel for my fellow turkish bros... these MFERS are CRAAAAAAZZZYYYY about u!)
And we could sell few islands to china and once Chinese settle it with few spare million people they have here and there they would became Europeans as well ?
It's also about culture. Cyprus is Asia but culturally european (at least the part nor occupied by turkey). Just because you moved into a european pocket of land 500 years ago doesn't magically make you a european.
It's not like not being european makes you bad. It's just shameful to not embrace your own identity and instead plead and beg to be recognized as something you arent. be proud of what you are
The majority of their population and area is in Asia, if Turkey is a European country then Spain is an African country because they own Ceuta, Melilla and the Canary Islands
EU needs Türkiye more than Türkiye is needing the EU , only way that Eu can secure its access to natural resources is Türkiye. And I think with the collapse of the NATO , soon EU countries will get into a deep political crisis that will also harm the economy of the union in long term. Owning a large army is not cheap. Türkiye will probably create individual alliances within Europe to create another power block in next 3-5 years. World is changing once more.
It's not just the size, Turkey has a casus beli on Greece and occupies another EU country. Not to mention the various problems with press censorship and human rights. Until these are resolved they can't join.
Dude they took 35% of the land mass, killed 1500 Greek people in response to the Greeks killing a few hundred Turks, and systematically raped over 1000 Greek Cypriot women, children and pensioners.
You don't need a book on it, Turkey has stolen part of a country and is actively colonizing it.
If Turkey have a right to hold a portion of the land for the Cypriots instigating, when is Turkey going to give land back to millions of Greeks and Armenians and also allow them to hold a military presence in Turkey?
Or is it one rule for Turkey and another for everyone else? Crazy that so many Turks are so anti Israel for apparently geniciding and displacing Palestinians yet turn a blind eye to Cyprus.
Great downplaying on the numbers... Around 1000 Turkish Cypriot civilians were either killed or missing (assumed dead) which is similar to Greek Cypriots numbering 1300total killed and missing.
Your numbers for rape are just pulled out of your ass obviously...
Nope, over 1000 substantiated cases, youngest victim was 12, oldest was 72.
And you wonder why the Greeks Cypriots won't agree to letting a government such as this have guaranteed power in the Island. you would have to be insane to disagree with them.
Using rape as a political tool in the 1970s is absolutely barbaric.
Bro you have commented about Cyprus in three different threads in this comment section. You stated that you’re British in an earlier comment so none of this even concerns you? You’re neither Cypriot nor part of the EU because your government has been a failure for at least 10 years.
The empire is gone dude, you have no need to be going around inciting ethnic tension between groups anymore. So how about you take a chill pill and move on with your life.
I don’t give a shit about what Turkey is doing. Neither should a privileged Englishman whose country planted the seeds of ethnic tension in Cyprus in the first place.
Nevertheless the killings, displacement and rapings were initiated by the Greek side but somehow Turks are the boogeyman when they respond in the same manner.
Isolated incidents for sure. Not systematically perpetrated by the Turkish government.
Do you think Greeks did not rape Turkish ppl? If so you are sa naive. We do not hate anyone nation. You guys hate us more than we ever thought about you.
Dude instead of forming your opinion based on ppl around you just go and read. I did a research for you and all I wrote was who killed who in cyprus in chatgpt. You can do the same i will leave a part of it here and be an individual ffs. Have you ever gone to Cyprus?
Key historical timeline
British rule → independence (1960)
Cyprus gained independence with a power-sharing constitution between Greek and Turkish Cypriots.
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Intercommunal violence (1963–1974)
Violence broke out between the two communities.
Greek Cypriot nationalist groups (like EOKA) wanted union with Greece (Enosis)
Turkish Cypriots feared this and supported partition (Taksim)
What happened:
Turkish Cypriot villages were attacked
People were displaced into enclaves
Killings happened on both sides
There were documented massacres of Turkish Cypriots (e.g., villages like Kokkina/Erenköy conflicts), but also retaliatory violence.
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1974 coup and Turkish intervention
A coup backed by the Greek military junta tried to unite Cyprus with Greece
Turkey responded with a military operation, citing protection of Turkish Cypriots
Result:
Cyprus became divided:
North → Turkish-controlled (later declared Northern Cyprus)
South → Greek Cypriot government
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So… was there a genocide?
Short answer:
No widely recognized genocide (by international bodies) on either side.
Because they care only if it's violence against non christians. Why should we let them into the EU is a mystery. Maybe if they give back Constantinople and Cyprus it could be considered :))
Try it. The only thing you can get this from us is this. Turks know it very well. Also it's funny how a Christian is playing the victim when the EOKA B violence against Turks is shoved under a rag because EOKA B are Christian
Your entire military is based on ours lol, you were still fighting with swords when we had steel warships. Turk military without European tech is a fkin joke.
I'm not christian XD. Turks can only make any sort of argument with a gazzillion of wrong assumptions. Keep begging and larping as Europeans, it's pathetic :)
Man, some of you mfs are so petty, on a post about Turkey’s accession to the EU you’re looking for an excuse to trash talk Macedonia and Serbia, only in the fucking balkans.
I mean, Turkiye will be similar to Serbia, wil never fulfill criteria and will be trojanic horse. Turkiye is too large to fit and border middle eastern criteria.
Skopje is tied to Vucic government in Serbia and because they are hostile to Bulgaria. The government that won the elections over false promises that will change the agreements. Expansion of EU is generally for Serbian politicians a problem.
I saw Croatia was meddling in this but MK Vmro is a nationalistic party and they should be abandoned from allies. They had Orban as their main one.
That’s today, tomorrow might be something else. Vučić also wont’t be forever. Nothing to share with the far bigger implications of getting a huge country like Turkey in the union.
The person you're replying to is right. Stop being a loser sulking in mom's basement and praying on enemy countries' downfalls and actually go contribute something. I've seen you in like multiple threads talking about us or Serbia. You wouldn't be talking like this if you were born slightly to the west so stop trying to act like a super intelligent Reddit politician because it's really annoying
The veto system won't change so no one wants a trojanic horse inside especially if you are familiar with the Balkan situation like Serbia or Bosnia those are bad countries to fit in EU. Also Skopje and Kosovo
Thats why you have some criteria to meet befire you enter the EU....Reforms in law of the land,democratic measures,referendums about joinning the EU....they have already done those....what makes you think they suddenly change mind NOW?!Thats the damn reason montenegro is so close to joinning...they have met that criteria unlioe kosovo,serbia,north macedonia etc...while i dont even think bosnia has filed a candidancy to the EU at all!
They literally do meet the criteria....according to the EU itself...also Croatia still has disputes with other EU countries...that didnt hinder them from joinning....Those are minor dipsutes.Also labelling any balkan state wanting to join the EU a "tojar horse" is at best insulting ,at worst discriminatory...Bulgaria has never been a putin puppet...even know their new guy seems more of eurocritic than a eurosceptic.Russia literally trued to set up a coup in montenegro some years ago...what makes you think that Montegro is a trojan horse?
I don't believe Bulgaria will veto foreign policy with it's new government like Orban did. However it's a issue that has a Russian influence but not direct interference into it's home institutions.
Those ifluences will wore down with time as bulgaria keeps devoloping under the EU.Now that bulgaria is in shengen is looking to adopt the euro,russia will have a significantly harder time at political maneuvering in bulgaria.
Yea but EU is not accepting disputes and unresolved frozen issues so Balkan countries have little prospects. you know we'll how problematic was and is still North Macedonia so it's not only about fitting direct criteria.
Greece solved its problems with borth macedonia legally.Thats why they are not a russian or turkidh puppet rn.While theur only current disoute is with bulgaria,which is a The north macedonians have showed support for EU entrance in referendums and they are trying to reform..tho things have become stagnant rn.Serbia on the other hand is straight up a mess...vucic was elected in hopes of EU integration and now his clique controls the coyntry.Bosnia is uninterested nad their main problems are within,their 3 way system.Kosovo is really poor but it could reform its way to the EU if they were to solve the problem with serbia...Serbia is basically holding most of the balkans back and are the main russian ifluence in the region.Yet serbians mostly support the EU and vucic himself is no lucasenco or orban...he still wants to act as pro-european.
Serbia is unfit for life to be EU it needs neutrality and should stay like that. but it's satelites also can't make it such as Bosnia which is also a problem country and N.Macedonia as a stalemated country.
About as large as Germany....but that won't rly be a problem, there is no geopolitic bloc that could form from Turkiye....maybe vote with Romania and Bulagaria on some economic plans but that's it.
I would love for the EU to expand in all the Balkans + Turkiye, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Armenia but the major problem are internal politics and coruption....not that you will shift the balance of power.
The european core is expanding and becoming more centralized anu unified. You won't ever outvote France, Germany, Italy, Benelux + most of the other nations that align with them.
Turkiye has:
- corrupt af
- is a soft dictatorship
- still denies armenian genocide
- occupies Northern Cyprus
- no freedom of speech really
- not particularly famous for treating their minorities equally(not that we do it but atleast we pretend that we do infront of the EU)
I’d really love our neighbours to join the EU but its not happening soon unfortunatelly. Ukraine will join before they do
Turkey should NEVER be allowed to join the EU unless they stop with their illegal occupation of northern Cyprus, recognize the Armenian and Greek genocide and get rid of Erdogan and his islamist allies
Montenegro is your average corrupt Balkan nation, but they're not even close to Turkey
Well, yeah?! There are conditions you need to fulfill to join the Union and while countries like Montenegro and Ukraine are working towards those goals, Turkey kept working against those goals.
We have been pretending that we want to join the eu for over 30 years now but havent made any effort to harmonize with eu legislation and then our politicians made excuses that the christian union doesnt want a muslim majority nation to join. Maybe try to carry out the requirements first? But the weird thing is that everyone in Turkey now is frustrated with the eu for not admitting us. Literally they have told us what we need to do and we havent done it. Dont want to do it? Fine no problem, but stop making excuses then.
It could have been good 20 years ago. We've become way too self reliant to do what brussels wishes. Its good for smaller countries for extra eu funds, protection etc.
Do people really believe that Turkey has any chance of becoming EU member ever. Even if Cyprus issues were to be resolved i personally think Turkey would never be “good” enough for EU to be accepted as full member state. I think best solution for Turkey would be same agreement as Norway has but i doubt Turkey would accept all the requirements for that deal to go through.
Greeks are not European 😱new genetics research right here guys, believe the Swedish albanian over all
Greeks are European. I was just trying to point out that being Middle Eastern is not a reason to not allow a country to join the EU, unless they don’t fullfill the requirements.
It is and especially Turkey, since we’re not talking only about genetics, but culture and connectivity as well. You can’t allow a country that has been blackmailing the EU with refugees for a decade and laying territorial claims on two EU member states to join. The only way I see their possible entry into the EU is if they withdraw from Cyprus and void any claims to Greek waters and islands. However I don’t see that happening ever
since we’re not talking only about genetics, but culture and connectivity as well.
You certainly were ’cause I never claimed Greeks are Middle Eastern but you seemed too jubilant about ridiculing the straw man.
You can’t allow a country that has been blackmailing the EU with refugees for a decade and laying territorial claims on two EU member states to join. The only way I see their possible entry into the EU is if they withdraw from Cyprus and void any claims to Greek waters and islands. However I don’t see that happening ever
You certainly can’t, but what do these valid arguments you’re giving right now (unlike the ones the OC gave) have anything to do with a country not being Middle Eastern & my initial arguments?
Both Turkey and Cyprus are Middle Eastern countries, so I was simply pointing out the OC’s arguments were invalid.
Yeah the difference between Turkey and Cyprus though is that one has European culture, values, and a large European admixture, while the other is mostly Asian and has the opposite of European ideals, being an expansionist and genocidal ethnostate since its inception.
Don’t want to burst your bubble, but since you mentioned genetics, Greek Cypriots aren’t actually very Greek at all. They are very Levantine and Asian.
You’re comparing apples to oranges. Cyprus isn’t a muslim country or a dictatorship. Cypriots are basically Greek, so European. Plus, it’s one of the richer countries in the EU and the population’s tiny, so unlike Turkey, there was no way they’d be a problem for the EU.
Like I said, you’re comparing apples to oranges. Yeah, geography matters for EU eligibility. Turkey’s a Middle Eastern country, mostly muslim, and a dictatorship. It doesn’t really fit in what’s basically a European club.
This is a common sentiment among Europeans. Just because you moved into a European pocket of land 500 years ago doesnt magically make you european. I'm from the far east of Russia, does that make me Asian? Nope.
Could you define what’s that “Europenization” means? How could Russians, became so successful on it, that now a Russian from Siberia could gatekeep Europeaness?
cuz they moved there from europe? and brought european culture with them. The moment i go to istanbul you can instantly tell this is a non european muslim/middle eastern country from the culture
I don't even understand why we are even talking about Turkey, it's not close to the country with the second, or third, or fourth best chances of entering, so what? Turkey is neither here nor there (whether fair or not). Macedonia or Bosnia or something should be saying this.
I would say that Bosnia is in the same category as Turkey. At this point they both need basically re-writting of their constitutional documents to join, and I don't see them joining otherwise.
True, so not even gonna argue with that. If the constituent peoples of Bosnia joint forces tomorrow and made the Switzerland of the Balkans with a killer liberal, democratic and non-exclusionary constitution, who are WE to stand in their way?
well well well there is the answer in your post :) Croats and Serbs that live in Bosnia doesn't love it and want to separate it. One part to Serbia one part to Croatia. That is the goal more than 100 years. Sadly westerners made that agreement where serbians that made genocide and croatians that made Joint Criminal Enterprise are part of Bosnia solution. There goes all prosperity and joint force for Switzerland. Sadly.
Oh sure, no doubt. But I feel it will be far easier to reform and modernise Bosnia than to get Turkey to even stop threatening its neighbours with genocide. Even for a year or two.
Nah our constitution which is also the peace treaty that ended the war needs to be rewritten and that's something that noone wants to touch with a 10 foot pole
Wasn't it enough that you blackmailed the entire accession process in the 2000s with getting Cyprus forcefully in the EU? Which was far from a deserved membership at the time.
While at the same time screwed Macedonia for over 20 years over bogus nationalistic Greek insecurities?
Normal, Montenegro is easy. Smaller country, closed chapters
For Turkey, EU can go fuck itself. Fuck the EU and it's values. In the late 1900s/early 2000s, in Turkey we had checks and balances against Islamists. EU cried about how we need to be more "democratic", and all those checks and balances are gone. And now their are saying "muh erdoğannnnnn", without EU there would be no Erdoğan
Got successfully bullied by Greece for over 20 years while the "democratic" EU stood a silent witness. In the end a sovereign country made another sovereign nation to change it's name ovsr a membership in a temporary organization! This organization (EU) said nothing all the way. Lr what they did say something that they were standing by their member countries lunatic interests (Greek). Wow right?
Now with Bulgaria is doing the same on North Macedonia but with historical criteria and demands for amending of the Constitution. EU accession at this point is joke as Copenhagen criteria mean nothing, while individual member countries whims have become the rule.
Hope the EU stands behind Hungary and Slovakia's interest this time too as they have pro_russian interests. But what now they've started singing another song? Hypocrites to the core!
It was both political crisis for UK and EU. EU lost a big economic group since UK was one of the big players. And then EU's necessity started to get criticised. EU's slow decision making, heavy bureaucracy, complicated benefit network became main topics.
Now, people are criticising EU is not giving to any member what it provided apart from the free border pass. Market regulations are still different, rule of laws are different, bureaucracy is still heavy, economic dry of minor countries, debts... EU was providing too many good things initially but now that appears the promises are not kept...
EU's collapse is the last thing that Turkiye wants btw since both sides are very dependent each other.
Turk here. If Türkiye joins EU it will be;
* the largest population in the EU
* the largest active military forces in the EU
* the youngest population with the lowest median age in EU
* the largest agricultural country in EU.
In that regard, I don’t believe it makes sense for Türkiye to join the currently weakened EU. It’s not simply that Erdoğan is blocking accession; rather, the EU has at times supported or accommodated an increasingly anti-democratic Erdoğan when it aligned with its own interests.
Moreover, the honest, ethical, not hypocritical, and libertarian EU would not want to lose a country like Türkiye—one that is not an EU member, is governed by a dictator whose legitimacy is derived from Europe and the United States, has a strong military, and, as a NATO member, serves as a buffer between the EU and the Middle East.
we never want to join EU, we just want EU standarts of life and economy here. because we know that EU will bring more problems in political, economical and social aspects.
EU membership candidate status was just a promise to win elections in 1999.
Not to be the negative Nancy but just because you're in the EU it doesn't mean you're gonna get EU standards. Look at Greece, an EU country and compare it with Switzerland, for example
Exactly. But my point was, we don’t even want to be member. We just asked to have better standards, but politicians reverted all and they understood that we wanna be a member.
With better life standarts and more functional democracy, I don’t think we would need an union. Especially when the unions commission president just considered Turkiye as equal to Russia and China.
But are we gonna have better democracy and life standards soon, idk we will see in 2028.
Montenegro's population is not even 1m, Turkey on the other hand ho ho ho.
Who knows 85-90? Turkey is a federation itself so eu is not a realistic future for Turkey or Europe.
Holy shit that sub from where you crossposted fucking sucks.People in there think montenegro is a russian puppet that has done 0 reforms and it should no veto!Those mfs are the type of calicatures that orbanists use to describe the EU.
It does make sense. I would feel the same in their shoes. Veto is stupid in first place. 2/3rds is fine, but giving every country veto is what makes EU so slow and easily targeted by outside influence. Montenegro has 0.6M population. It shouldnt really have power to veto what 300+M wants, no?
Many in that comment section argue that montenegro just shouldnt have a veto at all.Not about a 2/3s rule.I am as pro-EU as one can be, but removing conpletely the vote of independnet states because they are small is unfair.
I mean maybe only a small bit of Turkey is actually european? The rest isn't european either culturally or geographically. So why have them join? They clearly cannot fulfill most requirements and still illegally occupy Cyprus, an EU member state btw. Turks can keep dreaming lol
So not even touching on the political reforms a country has too fulfill in order to meet the criteria, can you seriously not see the benefits of a country with 2,5 mil and 600 k entering a unified market with more then 450 mil potentional consumers?
We all know you are just trying to ragebait and it seems to be working rofl.
All the citizens of the countries you mentioned know it is net positive for them ever since joining EU. The only ones that think otherwise are the lazy scum of society that expected a handout from EU and an easy life
Makes me wonder which category you fit in 👀
I live in Istria, and my family lived from 1920 up until 1945 under Italian rule. We travel to Italy at least a few times each year. For Italy it’s quite an evident lie, the same goes for Croatia. Like dude, do you seriously think Italian companies would have such earnings? Kinder was literally made for the express purpose of entering both Italian and German markets, something that would be quite more difficult Without the EEC (precursor of EU). And yeah, these 100 new houses around me that are being built, with all the ongoing public investements mounting to, what, 300-500 mil€, all financed in majority with EU funds, are a lie?
And seriously Portugal and Spain? Let’s put it Like this. After the Salazar and Franco goverments, they joined the EEC after 10 years. Do you really think Spaniards and Portugese wouldn’t have noticed the benefits of entering a far larger market, after spending 30-years under cleptocratic and fascistic rule? And you know, the actual political rights that needed to be upheld in order to enter/remain in the EEC?
I don't understand, are you using Kinder to show how wealthy Italians are?
Okay, let's go with it then: Kinder/Ferrero made 19 billions of euros in 2025.
An average factory worker in the 2000s at Ferrero, is voiced made a lot of money enough to sustain it's family, plus Michele Ferrero is still so respected because there are voices that he started the Ferrero tradition to offer to his long-time worker's orphans a special living and school wage to get by.
The medium wage for an Italian worker (because that's what you want to consider when talking about quality of life, not the big corporations who don't represent the civilians) the 2000s was 1100 and 1200 euros, full-time.
Let's fast forward to 2026, Ferrero, as any other Italian industry, has underwent a lack of quality in its products (because the raw materials, between chocolate and milk cost a lot and I'm not sure, but thanks to globalization, they might not even always finance local Italian farms), they doubled their prices and currently offer initial internships of 600 euros, full-time, not assured long-term contract.
Someone who makes it, makes around 1100 and 1200 euros, something more if the factory has the night shift.
Sources: me, I live in Italy since forever. Italians don't fight for their rights. The pay wages are still since Berlusconi decided to sacrifice manpower and labor, made it cheap, just to create the Italian myth of the "Made in Italy", which is now dying.
Not to mention, lots of important corporations came for the tax benefits and then moved in the Balkans, throughout the years because the taxation, which is highly beneficial for them and very ugly for the rest of us, is not worth it and working with Italian bureaucrats is a reconfirmed nightmare.
It's like if I would say, dude look how rich Americans are, McDonald's made 140 billions!!!
The average McDonald's worker is an underage guy making between 12 and 18 dollars, which is less then you might think applied to the rising cost of life.
If Turkey joins the EU and becomes a full member, Turkey will dominate the seats by ~90M population, almost equal to Germany. So it is not about democracy or Cyprus, Europeans don’t want a foreign power to dominate their internal and economic policies.
I think this is strategic. Didn’t Montenegro nearly end up in debt to the Chinese a few years ago before the eu had to step in? After some infrastructure project. This is likely to stop the Chinese and others getting a foothold here
I think you’re thinking about a major infrastructure project and the EU didn’t step in. The project was put out to tender twice and no EU company applied so the project went to China. There is no issue with this as Montenegro followed the correct procedure.
With all the atrocities and crimes against humanity the Turkish state has recently committed in northern Syria and Afrin as well as the repression and exile of intellectuals and critics inside turkey, it's unlikely that Turkey is still considered a viable candidate.
Brussels doesn't want another orban, but this one armed with the 5th biggest Nato-Force and complex and unique relationships with Russia, Israel and Iran
I don’t believe Turkey will join EU in my lifetime. So it is fair and not fair at the same time. As a Turk, I want EU because it can dictate private companies for its citizens favour. It can dictate privacy, it can dictate changable batteries, free roaming, validity of certifactes, diplomas etc. Turkey alone cannot dictate it or make life more expensive and unaccesible if tries. (More than now)
Unfortunately or sometimes fortunately Turkey does pass EU regulations which makes life harder for everyone but without the benefits of being a member. We are fbuddies without the benefits. This is the not fair part.
To be honest I would be ok with some benefits without being full member but with the guarantee of not losing the benefits. Access to EU market would be beneficial for both parties. EU needs to understand USA is not a friend. Never was, never will be. Turkey maybe not a friend right now, but it can easily be and most of us are willing. Most of the current problems can be solved. We tried in the past (pre-Erdogan and first few years of Erdogan).
EU is very clear. They want two countries on their borders. Russia and Turkiye. The strategy is to encircle them. In 2040s we will be talking about Georgia and Armenia becoming members.
Belarus has higher chance than Turkiye. EU can accept Turkiye and Russia if they are dissolved and have smaller population and area
I think we don't give a s for real actually. It doesn't shine like before anymore. Eu seems like couple of white dudes trying to live their life with millions of non-educated people who completly dont had any modern culture or lifestyle refugees, which was the culture that the people who wants to live or be like eu to avoid. And the worst part is that it doesn't go anywhere better. It's almost like a s show at this point. We can live with our problems and we can solve them actually in a very near future. We did it before and we still have that power. But I'm really sorry for you guys.
We have too high of a population to ever dream of getting into EU. If we were the size of Serbia then sure our political differences wouldn’t risk EU interests but instead we are a very large nation and on top of that we are struggling with middle eastern problems. It’s plain and simple, they don’t wish to import middle eastern problems into EU.
Montenegro is not even a quarter of Türkiye in any respect. Moreover, especially considering the time they joined the EU, Bulgaria, Greece, and Romania are no better than Türkiye in any area. So, Türkiye's exclusion from the union is largely, if not entirely, a political and strategic decision. The EU will not include the Turks unless it is completely ruined.
in my opinion Turkey as a country is part of Asia more than it is part of Europe, also i know it was discussed for years about joining the EU and also another reason they gave for not being a good candidate it is because it is between countries like Iran Iraq and i feel like it should stay neutral (like it is Ukraine between the rest of Europe and Russia), even though Turkey have the same culture as most of Eastern Europe countries, the big difference between them is the religion, which it might be a risk to the security of Europe and immigration(thats what they said back then). 🇷🇴🤝🇹🇷
We don’t give a fuck anymore. The EU—and Germany especially—is a hypocritical, two-faced bitch that just wants to keep us on a leash. To hell with the EU
abandonedtulpa@reddit
I don’t have anything against Turkish people, but I don’t see Turkey joining the European Union anytime soon. Even though it’s officially a candidate, the process has been stalled for years, and under Erdogan it seems very unlikely to move forward.
veleso91@reddit
If they get a new government and the process gets moving the amount of vetos that they will get during their accession process will be legrndary. Greece, Bulgaria and then a bunch of soyjak countries like the Netherlands, Denmark, etc.
MagnetofDarkness@reddit
As long as the Cyprus issue remains Turkey will never be inducted into the EU. It can't join while not recognizing Cyprus.
Thodor2s@reddit
I don't see how we will be the ones that veto them. Cyprus aside, we were the ones that have "Turkey aligned with the EU" as our top strategic objective, and were the ones that supported their candidacy in the first place at a time where all we heared from other European countries was nothing less than complete paranoia and islamophobic bullshit.
Because yeah, "Turkey bad" doesn't really works for us, long term. Every step Turkey makes towards joining the EU benefits us tremendously, it would means them finally ratifying UNCLOS, millitary deescalation and cooperation, alignment on key areas of services, industry and infrastructure, maybe even some form of expansion of the cusoms union? Single market-lite? I can't stress how AMAZING all of these things would be for us.
But that's the catch 22, really. The only way this works for us, is if Turkey joins the rest of us in the 21st century, and if we're not the ones that join Turkey in the 19th century. If the EU has to make concessions to Turkey, then that doesn't benefit us at all, and concessions and barter diplomacy is all that Turkey ever brougs into any process they are involved with (see Sweden's and Finland's Nato Accession)
So... No veto from us.
Cyprus is a another story though.
Dr_Civana@reddit
Well they kinda put him in power :D
He got arrested over corruption charges in the 90's (Also his son ran over some poor soul and ran away from the country) but EU courts ruled that he must be released because he's just a "conservative liberal"
Even if we somehow reach a Scandinavian level of democracy we'll still be stuck as a candidate. Because our population is way too big and we border 3 hellholes at the same time along with being majority Muslim.
TesticleSandwiches@reddit
Turkey won't get in as long as they don't give Cyprus back tbh.
You can't have a country joining the EU when it's actively committing ethnic cleansing on a another member.
This isn't @ Turkish people, who are great people (I live near and am friends with a lot in Germany), however the Nation State of Turkey has taken 35% of an EU member's land and has imported near enough half a million people to colonize it. It's very clear at this point Turkey want the Island for strategic reasons and not to protect people.
Greece will veto it, Cyprus will veto it, and the UK will veto it.
thatMrGecko@reddit
there is some truth and some disinformation in this bait of a comment, but I just wanted to add that none of these things matter in the end. france would never let turkey in as a full member. they like being a part of eu and doing the imperialism at the same time, which is something none of the other countries do at this point. and turkey and france are rivals as regional powers right now.
TesticleSandwiches@reddit
What disinformation?
Turkish Cypriots numbered around 120k in 1973.
Now there are half a million.
That is ethnic cleansing and colonisation.
In the proposed deal in the early 2000s, Turkey refused to relocate the colonizers, refused to come to an agreement about giving Greek Cypriots their houses and land back, demanded that the Turkish minority would still have power at times via a rotating government system (this isn't democrocy), the Turks put that deal forward knowing the Greek side wouldn't agree.
thatMrGecko@reddit
as I said, some truths and some bait. not gonna get into it for a bad faith argument with you, sorry.
TrainingHeavy1666@reddit
Bait? Since when Cyprus had Turks? Turkey made war with Cyprus to have her and burned the houses of the Cyprus citizens and a lot of them have never been found. Turkey killed people in Cyprus. Unfortunately the situation is still the same and something has to happen to be Cyprus again free
thatMrGecko@reddit
most of what you said is bait for example
TrainingHeavy1666@reddit
If the EU had a backbone, there would be real visa restrictions and trade embargoes on Turkey until it returned the land.
Just give us Cyprus back. Free Cyprus. It’s 2026 already. Enough with your foreign policy.
thatMrGecko@reddit
give cyprus back to who?
I hope you mean cypriots.
TrainingHeavy1666@reddit
Yes. And then Cyprus can decide if they want to join Greece. Let's be honest. Cyprus and Greece are like Moldova and Romania.
thatMrGecko@reddit
so turkish cypriots can fuck off to nowhere and you'll get your beautiful enosis right? fascist.
cyprus belongs to cypriots and no one else.
TrainingHeavy1666@reddit
Cyprs will decide if they want to join Greece. We r brothers. Like you with Azerbaijan. Bye
thatMrGecko@reddit
nope.
TrainingHeavy1666@reddit
If the truth hurts,then im also fascist for u. Sorry ,not sorry
thatMrGecko@reddit
truth is about 40% of cypriots have turkish background. this was at the time of the invasion. of course if cyprus ever reunifies transplant trnc citizens should count.
you disregard the truth for your ideology. that's what makes you, as you said, a fascist.
TrainingHeavy1666@reddit
Due to the Ottoman Empire there were some Turks in Cyprus. After the new invasion in the 1970s you sent more Turks on purpose and took the land and houses and created a pseudo-state. These are the facts. You have invaded an EU member state. You should resolve it and free Cyprus. Your foreign policy is usually very wrong, I watch it closely, I don’t know what to say. The citizens are not like this. We even resemble you. Your politicians are very aggressive.
thatMrGecko@reddit
not me pal
also not me
it wasn't an eu member state then. and the invasion was very much justified.
also, again, not me.
yes, I agree. you don't though.
yes it is.
none of these change the fact that you want cyprus to belong to greece, and I believe cyprus should be free and belong to cypriots, and that makes only one of us a fascist.
TesticleSandwiches@reddit
So the invasion was justified, keeping 300-400k+ Turkish settlers isn't.
I don't know why Turkish people won't acknowledge this.
TrainingHeavy1666@reddit
These are the facts that doesn't make me a fascist. If I was ,I would convince. Free Cyprus and the cyprots will decide. Their choice. Our brothers. We love them anyway. We love your people too. Just NOT Erdogan at all!xx
TesticleSandwiches@reddit
Less than 20% of Cypriots were Turkish Cypriots in the 1970s.
thatMrGecko@reddit
oh ok just kill them off then
thatMrGecko@reddit
also, if eu had backbone, they wouldn't work with erdoğan from the start and save us from a huge amount of headache. I'm glad you guys can finally see eu for what it is, instead of what it cosplays as.
TrainingHeavy1666@reddit
We r fine with EU.
thatMrGecko@reddit
and your point is?
TesticleSandwiches@reddit
What bait?
johnnygalat@reddit
What is truth and what is disinformation in that comment?
Maybe some sources for that France offhand comment?
thatMrGecko@reddit
you want sources for why france won't let turkey in? do you expect macron to say "we won't let turkey in because we also do the imperialism in the mediterranean region like they do"?
johnnygalat@reddit
~you want sources for why france won't let turkey in?
Yes. It shouldn't be hard for you judging by the confidence you've stated your opinions.
Comfortable_Bath5986@reddit
Ok Cyprus and Greece should leave EU now. They commenced ethnic cleansing against Turks
Dimo145@reddit
1/10 ragebait, come back tommorow :)
Comfortable_Bath5986@reddit
Prove it wrong. Entire Cyprus beef started with ENOSIS and EOKA. Grivas was a nationalist and they found the solution by eliminating the Turkish Cypriots. If you ask this to an average Greek in here you get the answer as “Turks aren’t ethnically from Anatolia and Cyprus so they should leave and genocide is permitted.” So why the heck am I have to agree with this. Isn’t it racism?
TesticleSandwiches@reddit
Yes, Greek Cypriots were wrong for this.
What reason now 50 years later for Turkey to hold on to the land, or start exploration for Gas reserves around the island?
?
And again, if your stance is this is ok from Turkey, why can't Greeks and Armenians have some of their land back in Turkey and be allowed to hold a military presence, just as Turkey are doing in Cyprus?
Comfortable_Bath5986@reddit
Because we have agreements on those lands. Agreements that you all signed. Agreements that you all fought for. Land is only gained by blood!
TesticleSandwiches@reddit
So since Cyprus never signed any agreements with Turkey regarding you stealing land, you should leave, correct?
Comfortable_Bath5986@reddit
Turkey is a guarantor of the Republic of Cyprus the mere ENOSIS was a violation of that
TesticleSandwiches@reddit
Ok, fair.
Why do you need 50+k soldiers and to import hundreds of thousands of colonists?
Comfortable_Bath5986@reddit
first every once in a blue moon Greece and Cyprus threat Turkish presence in there and when they do they use Grivas and EOKA in front. Even in this year the Cypriot Special Forces were chanting they will enter the Constantinople and put cross on top of Hagia Sophia again etc. Last year army was chanting they are sworn to enter Karpaz etc.
second and for nowadays you are flirting with Israel a known genocidal state. Look I know Greeks aren't approving this relationship but government is still donig that.
third is well yeah if we loose Cyprus, Greece will encircle us completely.
TesticleSandwiches@reddit
You are refusing to answer why Turkey needed to imported hundreds of thousands of colonists.
TrainingHeavy1666@reddit
Correct. We'll said. Turkey has ti understand after 50 years that lost the war in Cyprus because they made war actually and have to give back the houses and the land. Enough
Comfortable_Bath5986@reddit
No I do not. TRNC has declared independence and they are an independent state now because the supposed Republic of Cyprus tried to genocide them you know. Now it is a free state and their own buisness to accept anyone they like. We did not move people there. Overtime people moved by themselves without asking the Greek administration or as you call Cyprus
Thodor2s@reddit
This is the part that Turks miss. They are stuck mentally and politically in the past, and therefore so must we...
WhateverWannaCallMe@reddit
Then greece/cyprus should not have been allowed in EU. Ethnic cleansing, did you hear anything about the bloody noel and other massacres done by greeks that forced Turkey to do something about it?
TesticleSandwiches@reddit
It had been done on both sides.
No one can explain why Turkey has needed to colonize the island in response.
WhateverWannaCallMe@reddit
For the current situation i hope there can be found a way that makes both parties feel equally heard. I dont think Turkish cypriots are happy with having a state that recognized by nobody either.
TesticleSandwiches@reddit
I agree.
But having guaranteed voting rights and representation for people the Turkish government bought in to colonize the land isn't going to work.
Scuipici@reddit
why wouldn't Turkey be in if the democracy was top notch? that sounds to me like inferiority complex emotional bullshit than actual facts. Turkey is corrupt to the core, I mean how can you aspire to the EU when you have a dictator in power? If you look to countries who joined EU, all were under dictatoriship, including my own. There's hope for Turkey but it needs to come from the population and that mentality needs to change.
zeclem_@reddit
blaming eu for erdoğan is nothing more than cope. eu was never that influential in turkish politics, and we were being ruled by islamists for most of our history since 1950. and it wasn't eu courts who released erdoğan from jail.
Dr_Civana@reddit
Mate the entire Western World were supporting Islamists the only reason why they kept on existing was because they were allowed to keep their presence in Europe. Why do you think Kadir Mısıroğlu escaped to the UK? Or why do you thing Gülen is in the US?
They are Western backed pawns that's why.
zeclem_@reddit
none of that changes the fact that we still willingly put islamists in power, foreign influence or otherwise. blaming others for our own bullshit is simply cope.
proof to that is clear in erdoğan's old party. you know, the one who got coup'd cus erbakan gave the slightest hint that he'd take turkey out of american sphere of influence? you know the same guy that managed to win despite him never really hiding his anti american bent? the guy who also taught erdoğan how to do politics and is still widely respected by islamist erdoğan voters in this country?
american influence carries some blame, but by far majority of it lies within us, and that is a simple fact.
thatMrGecko@reddit
this is laughably wrong, especially for the 90s
zeclem_@reddit
okay then, point me to the eu court case that made him win his appeal.
thatMrGecko@reddit
not what I said
zeclem_@reddit
so you are gonna be sealioning then?
you claimed eu "kinda" put him in power. you claimed eu demanded him to be released. you claimed eu was influential enough in turkish politics to put him in charge. and now you are claiming that this is not stuff you said. really?
like, your whole claim is based on bullshit to begin with. he was not charged with corruption when he was jailed. he was charged for going against the secular state and inciting religious hatred because of the poem he had read. that wasn't a corruption case. and eu did not even make an official response to him being jailed in the first place.
himmlesh@reddit
If it'd be Up To you would you Like to Join the EU? As a EU Member i Always thought it would make Sense and would be a benefit for both sides. Im really sad to See how our politicians Talk about turkey.
TesticleSandwiches@reddit
How can you say that as an EU member with Cyprus in consideration?
himmlesh@reddit
Im ootl to be honest. Can you enlighten me?
TesticleSandwiches@reddit
Cyprus is an island in the eastern Mediterranean that has changed 'ownership' multiple times throughout history.
Most recently before independence it was controlled by the British Empire, previous to that the Ottoman Empire.
Cypriots are ethnically Greek, however there was a sizeable minority of Turks left over from the Ottoman occupation. It was around 85:15 Greek:Turkish.
The British (I'm British) were involved for sure in destabilizing the population to remain in power, however in the early 1970s a portion of Greek Cypriots started colluding to unify with mainland Greece. There had been multiple instances of ethnic violence from both sides previously, however the Greek Cypriots killed a few hundred Turks in around 1973/4.
Turkey responded, invaded the whole Island, killed over 1500 Greek Cypriots, raped thousands of women, and forcibly removed Greek Cypriots from their homes in the northern 35% of the island.
Turkey has since then imported hundreds of thousands of mainland Turks to settle/colonize the northern part of Cyprus.
There was a proposes reunification agreement in 2004.
Turkey refuses to give houses back to the original owners, stated their military would still be permanently deployed on the island, and demanded that the Turkish minority would still at times hold political power with a rotating government system. Where the Greek Cypriots would hold power half the time and then the Turks the other half.
In short, Greek Cypriots arguably started it, and Turkey used it as an excuse to take half the country for themselves.
If the EU has backbone there would be real visa restrictions and trade embargos on Turkey until they gave the land back.
Really the EU needs to sort itself out, build up its military and then it will be in a position to actually fix the issue.
Dr_Civana@reddit
No, we'd most likely be EU's scapegoat like how we are in NATO.
himmlesh@reddit
Yeah i can See that. I still think there is a lot of Potential but maybe im too naive about it.
SoulEkko@reddit
Unless the EU reforms itself into tiers. Turkey wouldn't pose any issues from being in the European Economic Area for example, since it's strictly economical and both entities would benefit from it.
Massive-Profile-1569@reddit
The EU doesn’t really need Turkey. The downsides of letting them in pretty much outweigh any benefits.
lovinGamin@reddit
On the other hand Türkiye could bring much more than the current memberishes doesn’t it? Let’s say for example romania? What is the need of them?
lovinGamin@reddit
There was an answer, it seems deleted, I still gonna give an answer to that. Because I typed it already:
I see you back off from your perspective of needs to perspective of Christian. Well it was the right move because it was stupid to ignore the power of Türkiye, well done! I would assume we are much more closer in some matters to being ‘European’ than again, let’s say Romania for the sake of comparing, we have clearly higher HDI than Romania , comparing economy and armies is not even funny 😅 so Romania only has church over mosque, which is a huge plus than all those above, I agree with you there.
floare_salbatica@reddit
At least we have free access to education and take advantage of that, in contrast to you.
Massive-Profile-1569@reddit
The EU doesn't need turkey and its 80 million muslim population. No one in Europe wants you to join.
Massive-Profile-1569@reddit
The EU doesn’t really need either. In fact, the EU could operate with only a few core countries, like Germany, France, Italy, and the Netherlands.
That being said, Romania is a European country and predominantly white and Christian, while Turkey is predominantly muslim, non-European, and a dictatorship with a huge population.
The EU doesn’t need 80 million muslims within its borders, not to mention that allowing Turkey to join the EU would basically allow the entire Middle East to migrate to Europe, since Turkey is a Middle Eastern country.
Kickfinity12345@reddit
I'ts because Erdoğan is like Orban but much worse.
Imperthus@reddit
Let's not kid ourselves here, Erdogan is today's excuse, tomorrow it will be someone else.
Turkey is a regional power and it will influence the EU to it's own favor and that is the only reason why it will never be accepted.
johnnygalat@reddit
Today? You mean since 2014?
thatMrGecko@reddit
what happened in 2014?
johnnygalat@reddit
"Recep Tayyip Erdoğan[b] (born 26 February 1954) is a Turkish politician who has been the president of Turkey since 2014."
thatMrGecko@reddit
erdoğan has lead the country since 2002. only clueless wikipedia warriors think anything changed in 2014.
johnnygalat@reddit
That just strengthens my argument.
Who are these clueless wikipedia warriors you're mentioning and what do they have to do with it?
Imperthus@reddit
Strengthens what? Do you think that Turkey's geopolitical moves and plans are going to change if Erdogan was gone today? That's not how countries/states work in the background.
johnnygalat@reddit
Oh, it isn't? Pray tell, you must be an expert on the matter. How do countries work...in the "background"? You probably meant behind the scenes.
So your argument is that Turkeys political trajectory was not influenced by Erdogan? Interesting line of thought.
Inevitable_Motor_685@reddit
It is not about Erdogan himself tbh Turkey joining the EU makes no sense if you take the population and economic reasons into consideration. Turkey is almost 85 million, if they were to become a full EU member they'd take the most seats alongside Germany and become the dominant population (not even counting the number of Turks living in EU, even Germany alone hosts almost 4 million Turks itself) economically it would also be a disaster. But ofc no one will address this and think it is because of laws or democracy, when in reality the issue is based on more objective realities on the table.
BlokZNCR@reddit (OP)
Türkiye waits almost 70 years and Erdo is for only last 23+ years.
Lol...
Userkiller3814@reddit
So did turkey do anything jn those 70 years to enact the necessary reforms required for joining? Do they have all the necessary safeguards In place to prevent autocracy and the rule of law being independent?
erdyvz@reddit
Yes. Erdogan removed them on 2017.
PhastasFlames@reddit
The EU is 32 years old bro
himmlesh@reddit
Why wouldnt the economics work? Genuine question.
lovinGamin@reddit
We also doesn’t want to enter to Eu at all, the middle class only loves to visit your country, I know we are overwhelming, just because of big population, but believe me giving visa free access will rocket Bulgarian economy, for example, since you are so close to us. I have been to Sofia dupnitsa, Plovdiv and Burgas a few times, your country is a nature beauty but the progress is so tiresome and needed to loosen a little.
Weird-Student-9302@reddit
Its funny because whenever there is a discussion about Turkey’s candidacy, how it’s economically, socially and democratically behind EU standards, I always bring up Bulgaria, Hungary and Romania, how are they up to EU standards and Turkey is not? i don’t have anything against people from these countries though.
That being said, I also don’t think Turkey will be in the RU ever, not because it’s not democratic or rich enough, but because it’s simply too big in terms of population, land, military strength and even economy.
It’s easier for countries like Montenegro to enter the union because they are entering the union to follow the rules of the union and can’t push their own agenda. Whereas Turkey entering the union would grant her power equal (if not more) to that of Germany&France, and these countries would absolutely not want to share their monopoly and dictate over the union.
Some European redditors interpret Turkey’s intent to enter the union as “oohh look at Turkbois, they wanna join EU but we don’t give them permission” but reality is Turkey’s intention is not to be accepted into the union, but getting strong enough to make deals with the EU on eye-to-eye level
TesticleSandwiches@reddit
Cyprus.
Weird-Student-9302@reddit
Cyprus was literally allowed to join eventhough it was clearly against EU admission rules that states no country with ongoing territorial disputes will be allowed in the Union. So it’s EU’s own doing and I think it’s up to them to sort it out.
TesticleSandwiches@reddit
Because it doesn't have a territorial dispute in the classic sense. It's clear cut to everyone except Turkey.
Everyone knows Turkey does not own Cyprus. Turkish Cyprus i's not internationally recognised and Turkey is considered to be acting illegally.
Weird-Student-9302@reddit
You are mixing two things up. I am not talking about the legitimacy. Cyprus still has a territorial disputes, if you can’t project force on your claimed land, then you clearly don’t own that piece of land which means somebody else is claiming it as well which means there is a territorial disputes.
You can call it invasion, theft, sorcery or whatever you like. It doesnt change the fact that Cyprus has territorial disputes.
Plus I would %100 be on your side if the conflict started after Cyprus joined EU. But it happened decades after start of the conflict.
TesticleSandwiches@reddit
So according to you, if say Kazakhstan motioned to join the EU. Russia can go illegally take a 1 square mile part of land, and now Kazakhstan can't join the EU?
UnhappyBreadfruit607@reddit
I'm going to be honest. EU is always dishonest with us. Most of the time they will not do what they promised us to do but also if I was a leader in the EU I also would not want Turkey in EU because it's bigger and worse version of Hungary. Turkey's corruption level is of the charts, the justice system will literally relase murderers, gangsters in order to have space for opposition leaders or people who protest this. While Turkey is not yet Russia 2.0 it's going to that direction very fast.
Sasayego@reddit
Bro EU aint no angels. U think there isnt corruption here?
UnhappyBreadfruit607@reddit
I didn't say they are perfect they have their own problems like for example good chunk of their politicians "lobbied" by other nations for example if I remember right one German Chancellor became gasprom manager after his term but there is bad and there is worse
nostra77@reddit
It’s about geopolitics. Turkey would have the most voting right due to population France Dutch or Germany won’t allow it
UnhappyBreadfruit607@reddit
Tbh that's also one of the reasons
yeah-I-know-that@reddit
At least Russia isn't actively occupying another EU state
UnhappyBreadfruit607@reddit
Not because they respect sovereignty of EU nations but they are not powerful enough.
yeah-I-know-that@reddit
That's just your conjecture. Cyprus being occupied is a real fact right this moment.
UnhappyBreadfruit607@reddit
That's not my conjecture because Russia either invaded or vassalized every neighbouring country that they could take on a fight for example their intervention in Kazakshtan and Azerbaijan, occupation parts of Georgia and Ukraine additionally Turkey had the right as a one of the guarantors of Cyprus to invade and while you can say current division is illegal but Turkey and Northern Cyprus accepted terms for reannexation under certain terms and Current northern Cyprus goverment is also pro negotiation for reannexation can you say same for Luhansk or Donetsk or Crimea or Abkhazia etc
yeah-I-know-that@reddit
All those regions aren't EU member states though? Idk what you are even arguing here. Russia isn't occupying an EU country and Turkey is. So clearly Turkey has moved ahead of Russia in this regard
UnhappyBreadfruit607@reddit
Turkey occupied Cyprus before it was EU nation and technically Turkey had even veto rights for Cyprus that would stop them from joining EU also only reason Russia didn't attacked any EU nation is because of NATO and EU's own article 5 not because they didn't want to but because they couldn't do since they need close to 3 to 1 advantage even stand a chance but even then they don't have a chance just look at Ukraine as soon as pro western goverment comes they attack Ukraine and they even struggle with a nation that is one third of their population so only reason Poland or any baltic countries or any EU other nation wasn't attacked because they knew they would loose.
yeah-I-know-that@reddit
That's very cool bro but Turkey is occupying an EU country and Russia isn't. Whatever you say doesn't change that fact.
Serious-Ad-5275@reddit
Well, it is fair tbh. We still have many things to do if we really want to be a member.
Sasayego@reddit
What many things lan? Dont be so naive, fucking Romania, Greece and Bulgaria is in it. You think they have sorted shit out? Are you for real lad lmao.
OldYogurt7161@reddit
Like many things to do which are not supported by people. With Cyprus and immigration based demands. There is no hope to get into EU (I dont even thing it is worth to get into EU) and even we cover every needs high possibly some countries veto to join.
guywiththemonocle@reddit
Cyprus was never meant to join EU until the UN solved the problem, however during the negotiations EU decided to pre-maturely admit Republic of Cyprus which ended giving them a better position to negatiate from and forced a stale-mate
OldYogurt7161@reddit
Yep this is a problem. By the way the demands that I have mentioned are also compulsory for (visa-free travel)
thatMrGecko@reddit
there's also the question if it makes sense for us to be a full member. I'd rather be a close ally and stay free to deal with the shithole right next to us the way we choose to. we are already in the customs union, no reason we can't integrate further in terms of commerce, defence, get into schengen etc but stay out of eu.
Serious-Ad-5275@reddit
If we can get into Schengen etc then there is no reason to not being a fully member.
kostasnotkolsas@reddit
Rule your own economy.
thatMrGecko@reddit
Also this, yes.
Serious-Ad-5275@reddit
thatMrGecko@reddit
being an eu member will for sure come with a hit on your sovereignty, though that depends how powerful you can be within the union.
I just have a feeling that a lot of eu stuff will keep us from dealing with russia and middle east shit at some point. we have a powerful military and a very well regulated and integrated banking system, we are a logistics hub for a lot of existing and future networks, including energy transport. why let brussels have any say?
hence I believe we should aim for a norway-type relationship with the eu.
guywiththemonocle@reddit
I just want visa-free travel and more integration for free trade
LenaLena93@reddit
Does Turkey even want to join?
chimjongunn@reddit
Not even the secular folks wants to join EU anymore.
int23_t@reddit
I personally don't want to join EU because I don't want to see AKP as EUs largest political party. EU parliament already voted against chat control by a single vote difference. I don't want to see what having AKP terror organisation does to EU.
So checks out.
Sasayego@reddit
Boohoo Akp is the worlds biggest enemy, fucking lad here.
Important_Win_1718@reddit
Almanya sığıntısı mısın pensilvanya sığıntısı mısın?
Hypremacy@reddit
If we join EU, EU would probably crash.
Bari_Baqors@reddit
Well, ya'd take lots of influence from out father Germania and mother Francia. I think you get it, do you?
name---@reddit
Not with our current government. We have a very large population and our influence in the EU parliament would be a net negative.
Our government is filled to the brim with islamists and thieves. Until the filth is thoroughly outrooted, we should not join the EU.
No-Heart3432@reddit
Some people wants including myself for only 1 reason. Living in a more civilized placed that the laws are protecting you instead of being a bat of the president. Joining EU would make everything easier to leave Türkiye to stay away the current government. Or fix the country and make it as it use to be like 20 years ago to join EU. But if we fix the country I don't care EU at all tbh.
Kreol1q1q@reddit
Tbh joining the EU isn’t what gets you rule of law. You need to sort out rule of law and implement reforms in order to be eligible to join - Turkey just hasn’t really been doing EU accession reforms for ages now, much like Serbia. Joining the EU isn’t some waiting game, where if you wait long enough you get in, it’s a huge amount of legislative and administrative work in order to create a state structure harmonized with EU law.
Scuipici@reddit
and this is why Turkey will stay like for quite some time. EU isn't an all buffet that you can eat, it's an idea for better world. If all you care is about economy, who's to say that Turkey won't have exit like UK after it got up on it's legs thanks to EU? Remember that UK was known as the sick man of Europe before it joined EU. Turkey needs a mentality change, else it will remain in poverty and corruption and any talent will seek to move abroad. I'm one of the people who hopes Turkey joins one day but not in the current state. Montenegro deserves the progress towards EU, Turkey does not at the moment.
Critical-Ad-8507@reddit
Firstly,the laws protecting you thing isn't working well in UE now either.
Secondly ,running from your problems doesn't work unless you change yourself for the place you move in,otherwise you either won't fit in,or too many will move as well and repeat what caused the problems!
No-Heart3432@reddit
Firstly you have no idea. If you criticize the government, you'll find yourself in jail with no reason. You could lose your job etc. If you criticize the Islam, same things happens. So you have 2 option in here. Shut up, and prepare the worse. Or don't shut up and get the worst.
Secondly, merit. That's what lacks Türkiye. Shiny ones will find a way because Europe has the merit way more than Turkiye. There are a lot of qualified people who can work and do business in EU ever since corruption reached to the job life. Qualified people struggling to find a job while the people who has a network with strong people get the job regardless of how good or bad they are. Finding job in Europe is way harder with the current way. If you are being able to have Schengen then moving out is way easier which would really step up to find a job in EU. It'll be easier actually. European companies asks less things than Turkish companies. And Turkish companies asks many qualifications and yet they don't hire because someone will sneak in and get the job with their connections. I experienced that a couple of years before as a production engineer.
Also starting a business in EU would be way more beneficial because there are laws which protects you. The taxes aren't that ridiculous and brokers are not salvaging you if you made a product or start a farm. One single cabbage they will give you 4TL per cabbage and you'll see them 50TL on the supermarkets. Buying vehicles isn't different or you don't need to show your greetings to a political party to get your business works.
So if we get in EU right now, nothing will get worse for Turkish people. But if we have the qualifications then we don't need to join in EU. It'll be more beneficial to EU than Türkiye.
Critical-Ad-8507@reddit
Is actually a bit depressive how optimistic you are of EU,because most of it isn't true.
"First you have no idea. If you criticize the government, you'll find yourself in jail for no reason. You could lose your job, etc. If you criticize Islam, same things happen. So you have 2 options here. Shut up, and prepare for the worst. Or don't shut up and get the worst."
Especially this part is close to happening in EU as well,just by masking it as "hate speech".
No-Heart3432@reddit
If that's true then we all are doomed.
Thodor2s@reddit
That doesn't magically happen AFTER joining the EU. It has to happen before, EU or not.
No-Heart3432@reddit
Yup. So aiming to join EU is enough for Türkiye. Joining isn't a necessity. But if Türkiye reaches that level then EU would definitely want to see Türkiye as their member more than anything. However we are moving away from the level to join in EU which makes the people who has a slight piece of brain sad.
AlternativeCheetah36@reddit
İ have money i want to visit europe but i need fking visa i went all balkan,france and germany countries but know i cant go my visa got declined i dont know why, i applied greece for schengen. İ think because greeks hates us.
SOHONEYSAME@reddit
lol.
TrainingHeavy1666@reddit
No we don't hate you. Its just that you are kind of difficult neighbors. Not the people. The politicians you have.
AlternativeCheetah36@reddit
🙏
xxprokoyucu@reddit
I just wanna visa-free access and easier laws and such to make business, I don’t care if Turkey is in eu or not
Weird-Gas-4777@reddit
Yep exact same reason. I dont even care about being europian citizen or anything, I just want visa-free.
SOHONEYSAME@reddit
never, lol.
mob74@reddit
❤️ you. We are constantly being beaten up on the internet as if we are dying to join the EU. 😅 But i really don’t know a single person that wants to be in the union apart from some politicians and media people that constantly push it for decades.
RedditAnonDude@reddit
I thought they were in Asia Minor. They should start the Asia Minor Union….
alkorisno@reddit
Why would someone want to join the EU?
situmaimesdemain@reddit
I think most of us would want to become a EU standard country, in terms of rule of law and shit but not actually join them.
DeffoNotAnEngineer@reddit
În România we say “we cannot be with the dick in the ass and the soul in heaven”. I suppose everyone would love an EU standard country/government without the responsibilities.
DaneLitsov@reddit
We have in Bulgaria the same saying hahahah
situmaimesdemain@reddit
Its more about identity than the responsibilities.
Jose_Caveirinha_2001@reddit
Do you know what it means to be a "EU standard country in terms of rule of law"?
sayinmer@reddit
no not interested at all, definitely want to establish EU standards but not be a part of it
it’s best for us
zeclem_@reddit
yesn't. most turks very much would love to have the benefits of eu membership but not as many would want to deal with the politics of that membership.
shiwonozomu_majochan@reddit
No, the state just pretends that it does.
soloscontri@reddit
Damn they will regret it.
erazer100@reddit
A country that has a Casus Beli on two EU countries don't belong to the Europe and the EU.
Babuci97@reddit
Turks are not even europeans
mermaidworker@reddit
Don't know about Turkey, but I am glad Montenegro will join. I can't wait to visit Montenegro again without worrying about roaming and other things.
OkoMushrooom@reddit
I love how Montenegro put in the work to make this happen, they deserve it and best wishes. I can only hope for the “western balkans” to get smaller.
Montenegirl@reddit
Lmao, what work? On paper maybe. This country is a dumpster fire
oN_disordeR@reddit
Crna Gora ti je kontenjer? E kakvi blavori zive odje. Da si putovala po svijetu i bila u zemlje koje "glorifikujes" vidjela bi gdje u stvari zivis. Nego nema potrebe objasnjavat ista osobi sa takvim stavom, nego ti lijepo kupi kartu za Dubaji i nemoj se vracat.
Montenegirl@reddit
Pa za početak mi kao ženi uopšte nije prijatno da slušam naslove o osamnaestogodišnjaku koji je silovao ili istu djevojku više puta ili više djevojaka, ne sjećam se više, koji je dobio, pazi ovo, kućni pritvor jer sudinica tvrdi da je "odrastao u okolini u kojoj mu niko nije rekao da je silovanje loša stvar". Onda je tu ona djevojka (valjda se zvala Ajla) što se prije par godina žalila institucijama na bivšeg koji joj je prijetio smrću. Jel' se sjećaš tog slučaja i kako se završio? Ili ona Milica što je slomila svom silovatelju ruku, pa je morala da plati odštetu, a on ništa jer "nije stigao da je siluje"? Kao čovjeku mi smeta onaj poštar što su ga prije par godina institucije proglasile za samoubicu, a on nađen sa vezanim rukama, dok od novca koji je sa sobom nosio nema ni traga. Šta ćemo sa svim onim slučajevima smrti izazvanih greškom ljekara u barskoj i pljevaljskoj bolnici koje su prošle bez ičije odgovornosti, dok među žrtvama ima djece, a među doktorima onih sa kupljenim diplomama? Kao građanki mi smeta premijer kog svako malo uhvatimo u laži (Jel' se sjećaš kad je rekao da mu je barska policija poručila da ne dolazi u tu opštinu zbog svoje bezbjednosti, samo da bi se oni oglasili objasnivši da to nikad nisu rekli, onoga kad je "odjavio" srbijansko državljanstvo pa baš na Sretenje kad srpske institucije i ne rade? Eto da ti nabrojim dvije njegove najgluplje laži. Razumijem ja da polotičari lažu, ali moraš bar znati lagat). Prošle godine u sred sezone nisi mogao neometano proći od sjevera ka jugu jer jedni protestuju u Šavniku oko izbora, drugi na Cetinju zbog onih ubistava. Usput da spomenem kriminalne klanove, pucnjavu u Budvi, drogu na brodu Jadran (državni brod, btw, nije privatno vlasništvo), raznošenje kola po Baru...
I ne, neću otići u inat takvima kao što si ti jer ja svoju zemlju volim i namjerno ću se boriti za to da bude bolja, radije nego je ostaviti takvima kao što si ti koji će rado mahati zastavom i svojim lažnim patriotizmom dok nam se država raspada pred očima, a ljudi odlaze.
sljukastaprezlica@reddit
Hahaha simpaticna si znas :)
Martha_Fockers@reddit
Idk what they did but congrats
All I know is there BP is the worst in the Balkans and extorts you on every trip on and out of that country
TrainingHeavy1666@reddit
Wow. Really?
IfICode@reddit
Yeah montenegro border sucks now, the country itself is amazing on the inside, but idk what the fuck they got going on at the border
Martha_Fockers@reddit
They are notorious in the Balkans for it and we often just drive around the country if we need to go somewhere instead of through it lol
alkorisno@reddit
At very high cost. Had to send their soldires to Ukraine first. I think EU will only let those join that want to be cannon fodder for the Germanys interrsts
Thodor2s@reddit
You were doing SO well for a while, too, btw.
OkoMushrooom@reddit
Speak no more of it, I’m well aware we’re heading towards isolation.
RevolutionaryFeed259@reddit
Why are you heading towards isolation? Totally oblivious of situation in NM.
Albekvol@reddit
As a Bulgarian with family in NM I can chime in.
Bulgaria decided to ask for minority rights on top of some recognition that Macedonian is a dialect of Bulgarian and some other historic concessions.
As someone who’s family is from both sides of the border, I could care less about semantics, history or any of that, but it is a part of a nation’s identity and Bulgaria is pushing Macedonia to basically admit its just Bulgaria lite. It’s a dick move and just another example of one Balkan ethnic group trying to dominate another.
As a response, Macedonia said it won’t abide by these demands and Bulgaria used its veto right to block the North Macedonian ascension process.
Both sides are at fault for the way things are because there’s also a lot of discontent towards Bulgarians in Macedonia and while not unfounded, it’s excessive since sometimes people who don’t want to be involved in this squabble get caught in the crossfire.
I hope we drop our veto in Bulgaria and have North Macedonia ascend to the union in the near future, cause that’s the best way to reconcile both sides, by dropping the border, being in the same union, with the same currency and accepting that we’re gonna get along irrespective of stupid historic grievances.
OkoMushrooom@reddit
Its very little to do with minority rights thats just the smokescreen, the fact of the matter is the current government enjoys an absolute majority in parliament, managed to subdue public administration, the courts and prosecutors office, even the universities and moving towards the EU would be ruinous for the current establishment. Even more disastrous if they make Bulgaria public discourse that would instantly ruin them and no corrupt politician would do that to himself.
Also theres Radev the man hates us and he also has an absolute majority in the Bulgarian parliament so the situation is in a bit of a deadlock until further notice in a few decades maybe.
Puzzled_Pop_6845@reddit
Albania has been a candidate since 2004. Wtf?
oN_disordeR@reddit
We will be so happy that we will vomit from happiness. The European Union did nothing about the disaster in Palestine, and now in Iran. The master of the EU, Trump, forced IRAN to close Hormuz through aggression, and now he is saying that America has enough oil for itself, that Europe suffers the most because of the closure of the strait, and that they do not want to help in "opening". If the EU had a backbone, which it doesn't, it would unanimously let America know that Hormuz was open before they started the aggression. But of course that won't happen. Because the EU has only one goal, hatred and desire. As throughout history, to destroy Russia. Russians are "terrorists and criminals" because of Ukraine, and Israel and America are flowers because of Iraq, Palestine, Lebanon, Iran, Venezuela, etc. etc. etc. Double standards ;)
thanasis87kav@reddit
Turkey, it was never gonna happen
Successful-Biggy@reddit
May It could happen initially, but too many things has changed.
manouvras@reddit
I think you will need the positive vote of all EU members in order to join. If this is true, Good luck with Cyprus then 😬
Successful-Biggy@reddit
Dude, countries does not have friends or enemies, they have benefits. When benefits change, everything changes.
pitogyros@reddit
With current model of veto , without Cyprus approval there is no chance.
But Cyprus isn’t the only country that could block Turkey , greece could block it
Central European far right ruled countries could block it
Scandinavian countries over human rights and rule of law could block it.
Germany / France could block it as Turkey would shrink their influence as the largest country in EU.
Realistically Turkey entering EU chances are close to 0
Successful-Biggy@reddit
No worries, one Russian threat can convince everyone. But again as I said, current benefit are not giving chance to Turkiye for becoming a member.
Careless_Look_8708@reddit
EU is a christian club. Nobody on either side believed that they would take Turkiye in. They see the Turks as the enemy. As long as France and Germany exist, there will be no real talks of EU membership of Turkiye.
bigelcid@reddit
right, the EU leadership is famously rabidly Christian
Careless_Look_8708@reddit
"Leadership" are just zionism's puppets. Just like Ursula, remember what she said about Turkiye last week?
shiwonozomu_majochan@reddit
It isn't unfair, because us joining EU was never actually on the table. Both sides just love larping.
Scuipici@reddit
that is quite an unfair comparison, no? I mean Turkey has a dictator in charge and the population is saying ok en masse. How can you say EU is larping when the will and the work has to come from Turkey's side?
Far_Entertainment540@reddit
I don't think we'll join the EU. They don't want to accept us for many reasons, including religious and nationalistic views. We'll continue waiting at the door and chasing visas for tourist trips.
Pretend-Technician64@reddit
Man, whenever I see some post on this subreddit it's almost always about Turks...
For the note; I'm not Turkish nor European so I don't have a race in this horse.
From my perspective, I think y''all claim to hate Turkey all the time but also can't stop talking about them even in the most irrelevant subjects. This is almost as if the balkanese countries have daddy issues with Turkey or smth...
LOL.
Keep the hate going tho, I'm learning new things in this sub.
Ektor_G123@reddit
You troglodyte, a Turk posted this.
Pretend-Technician64@reddit
Dude, u guys are crazy about turks...
I mean... I vaguely knew the rivalry between two countries before but ever since I found this sub I'm shocked about the amount of hatred towards turks...
From my perspective, u guys are trying so hard to act like u dont care about them but at the same time, EVERY OTHER THING that is getting posted over here is somehow being about turks...
LOL
I thought u guys were cool with all those philosophers, tragedias and shit... instead, u turned out to be such insecure losers who think they are superior than the other...
I'm just saying, since u care about it too much, it's bad optics for you guyz but at the end of the day IDGAF so keep the hatred goin!
(btw, after this interaction with this angry greeko, kinda started to feel for my fellow turkish bros... these MFERS are CRAAAAAAZZZYYYY about u!)
LOL
Ektor_G123@reddit
wtf are you talking about 😭😭🥀
sheynzonna@reddit
Turkey is not Europe
Interesting_Yak9894@reddit
Turkey’s population in Europe is larger than your country population
pitogyros@reddit
And we could sell few islands to china and once Chinese settle it with few spare million people they have here and there they would became Europeans as well ?
yeah-I-know-that@reddit
It's also about culture. Cyprus is Asia but culturally european (at least the part nor occupied by turkey). Just because you moved into a european pocket of land 500 years ago doesn't magically make you a european.
Interesting_Yak9894@reddit
its said not europa didnt european they are diffrent things
yeah-I-know-that@reddit
well yeah turkey isnt europe or european
Interesting_Yak9894@reddit
Turkey is in europe? Im living in europe learn some geography
yeah-I-know-that@reddit
geographically a bit of conquered land is european, but overall and culturally it isn't :). keep on the funny larps tho they are amusing
Interesting_Yak9894@reddit
Culturally and language is already central asian I know it
yeah-I-know-that@reddit
It's not like not being european makes you bad. It's just shameful to not embrace your own identity and instead plead and beg to be recognized as something you arent. be proud of what you are
Due_Mix_6715@reddit
You do realize that European land mass of Turkey (West Istanbul + Thrace) combined is bigger than most countries in Europe right?
I'd say Turkish people definitely aren't European but it doesn't change the fact that they are in fact in Europe.
yeah-I-know-that@reddit
They guy said that they aren't europe, not that they aren't IN europe. learn to read turk bro
sheynzonna@reddit
They are not.
It isn't.
Due_Mix_6715@reddit
Ragebait or Mental Retardation?
Call it.
sheynzonna@reddit
You're a dumbass. Typical of y'all.
Interesting_Yak9894@reddit
Im not saying Turkey is european its in europe and Im european Im not Turkish
sheynzonna@reddit
You are neither Europe nor European.
RestaurantBoring417@reddit
The majority of their population and area is in Asia, if Turkey is a European country then Spain is an African country because they own Ceuta, Melilla and the Canary Islands
Interesting_Yak9894@reddit
Its not european its in europe
sheynzonna@reddit
And Mexico's is larger than your country's. You're still not the Americas.
Interesting_Yak9894@reddit
?
jandar1292@reddit
Turkey's Europe bigger than whole Greece in population wise but yeah Turkey is Eurasian.
sheynzonna@reddit
And Mexico's is larger than your country's. You're still not the Americas.
jandar1292@reddit
Literal 5 IQ comment.
sheynzonna@reddit
Yes, yours. Comparing apples to oranges.
theboltT@reddit
EU needs Türkiye more than Türkiye is needing the EU , only way that Eu can secure its access to natural resources is Türkiye. And I think with the collapse of the NATO , soon EU countries will get into a deep political crisis that will also harm the economy of the union in long term. Owning a large army is not cheap. Türkiye will probably create individual alliances within Europe to create another power block in next 3-5 years. World is changing once more.
bigelcid@reddit
lol
alkorisno@reddit
Had to send their soldiers to Ukraine first. i dont think you can join anymore unless you want to be europes cannon fodder
Familiar-Custard-216@reddit
Turkey will never join the EU, since its far too large of an country which will destabilise the union
floare_salbatica@reddit
They're not even European.
Fatalaros@reddit
It's not just the size, Turkey has a casus beli on Greece and occupies another EU country. Not to mention the various problems with press censorship and human rights. Until these are resolved they can't join.
guywiththemonocle@reddit
I suggest a book on the cyprus situation: "a broken olive branch, vol2"
TesticleSandwiches@reddit
Dude they took 35% of the land mass, killed 1500 Greek people in response to the Greeks killing a few hundred Turks, and systematically raped over 1000 Greek Cypriot women, children and pensioners.
You don't need a book on it, Turkey has stolen part of a country and is actively colonizing it.
If Turkey have a right to hold a portion of the land for the Cypriots instigating, when is Turkey going to give land back to millions of Greeks and Armenians and also allow them to hold a military presence in Turkey?
Or is it one rule for Turkey and another for everyone else? Crazy that so many Turks are so anti Israel for apparently geniciding and displacing Palestinians yet turn a blind eye to Cyprus.
dcdemirarslan@reddit
Great downplaying on the numbers... Around 1000 Turkish Cypriot civilians were either killed or missing (assumed dead) which is similar to Greek Cypriots numbering 1300total killed and missing.
TesticleSandwiches@reddit
Nope, over 1000 substantiated cases, youngest victim was 12, oldest was 72.
And you wonder why the Greeks Cypriots won't agree to letting a government such as this have guaranteed power in the Island. you would have to be insane to disagree with them.
Using rape as a political tool in the 1970s is absolutely barbaric.
lostarco@reddit
Bro you have commented about Cyprus in three different threads in this comment section. You stated that you’re British in an earlier comment so none of this even concerns you? You’re neither Cypriot nor part of the EU because your government has been a failure for at least 10 years.
The empire is gone dude, you have no need to be going around inciting ethnic tension between groups anymore. So how about you take a chill pill and move on with your life.
TesticleSandwiches@reddit
That's a weird argument as to how what Turkey is doing is ok.
lostarco@reddit
I don’t give a shit about what Turkey is doing. Neither should a privileged Englishman whose country planted the seeds of ethnic tension in Cyprus in the first place.
TesticleSandwiches@reddit
Oh wow another Turkish person trying to pass off why Turkey isn't being that bad.
dcdemirarslan@reddit
Ok then you wouldn't mind linking the source of your claim right... Infact link the source for both sides so we can compare.
TesticleSandwiches@reddit
https://hudoc.echr.coe.int/app/conversion/pdf/?library=ECHR&id=001-142540&filename=001-142540.pdf
Pages 120 through 124
TesticleSandwiches@reddit
Isolated incidents for sure. Not systematically perpetrated by the Turkish government.
guywiththemonocle@reddit
yea just read the books, will ya..
TesticleSandwiches@reddit
Crimes against Greek Cypriots including systematic rape have been verified in UN reports.
tegridypatato@reddit
Do you think Greeks did not rape Turkish ppl? If so you are sa naive. We do not hate anyone nation. You guys hate us more than we ever thought about you.
tegridypatato@reddit
Dude instead of forming your opinion based on ppl around you just go and read. I did a research for you and all I wrote was who killed who in cyprus in chatgpt. You can do the same i will leave a part of it here and be an individual ffs. Have you ever gone to Cyprus?
Key historical timeline
Cyprus gained independence with a power-sharing constitution between Greek and Turkish Cypriots.
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Violence broke out between the two communities.
What happened:
There were documented massacres of Turkish Cypriots (e.g., villages like Kokkina/Erenköy conflicts), but also retaliatory violence.
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1974 coup and Turkish intervention
A coup backed by the Greek military junta tried to unite Cyprus with Greece
Result:
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So… was there a genocide?
Short answer:
No widely recognized genocide (by international bodies) on either side.
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What did happen:
yeah-I-know-that@reddit
Because they care only if it's violence against non christians. Why should we let them into the EU is a mystery. Maybe if they give back Constantinople and Cyprus it could be considered :))
herhangibirperson@reddit
Try it. The only thing you can get this from us is this. Turks know it very well. Also it's funny how a Christian is playing the victim when the EOKA B violence against Turks is shoved under a rag because EOKA B are Christian
TesticleSandwiches@reddit
Come on now, I'm British, we already did.
Your entire military is based on ours lol, you were still fighting with swords when we had steel warships. Turk military without European tech is a fkin joke.
yeah-I-know-that@reddit
I'm not christian XD. Turks can only make any sort of argument with a gazzillion of wrong assumptions. Keep begging and larping as Europeans, it's pathetic :)
TesticleSandwiches@reddit
Sad but true.
Left wing world is in outrage at Israel claiming Palestinian land but remains silent on Cyprus.
guywiththemonocle@reddit
lollll, shall we try to claim our old territories as well?
yeah-I-know-that@reddit
try it and get nuked into oblivion kek
Strange_Status_7690@reddit
Also N.Macedonia and Serbia should never join the EU. I bet the same for Bosnia.
Albania should be European country
abandonedtulpa@reddit
Man, some of you mfs are so petty, on a post about Turkey’s accession to the EU you’re looking for an excuse to trash talk Macedonia and Serbia, only in the fucking balkans.
Stverghame@reddit
Sadly, both North Macedonia and Serbia got used to it when it comes to random trashtalking on this sub. That's why I use it less often.
Strange_Status_7690@reddit
I mean, Turkiye will be similar to Serbia, wil never fulfill criteria and will be trojanic horse. Turkiye is too large to fit and border middle eastern criteria.
I just made a comparison.
NoSync22@reddit
And how does Macedonia tie into your theory?
Strange_Status_7690@reddit
Skopje is tied to Vucic government in Serbia and because they are hostile to Bulgaria. The government that won the elections over false promises that will change the agreements. Expansion of EU is generally for Serbian politicians a problem.
I saw Croatia was meddling in this but MK Vmro is a nationalistic party and they should be abandoned from allies. They had Orban as their main one.
NoSync22@reddit
That’s today, tomorrow might be something else. Vučić also wont’t be forever. Nothing to share with the far bigger implications of getting a huge country like Turkey in the union.
moisthotdogg@reddit
The person you're replying to is right. Stop being a loser sulking in mom's basement and praying on enemy countries' downfalls and actually go contribute something. I've seen you in like multiple threads talking about us or Serbia. You wouldn't be talking like this if you were born slightly to the west so stop trying to act like a super intelligent Reddit politician because it's really annoying
Top_Independent6813@reddit
Why they shouldnt join, but albania should?
Strange_Status_7690@reddit
Because they will be trojanic horses inside EU and don't want to fulfill criteria in the first place. which means they in fact will never change.
Lumpy-Tone-4653@reddit
For fucks shake...if greece was to join the EU tomorrow yall would call us Russian puppets.
Strange_Status_7690@reddit
The veto system won't change so no one wants a trojanic horse inside especially if you are familiar with the Balkan situation like Serbia or Bosnia those are bad countries to fit in EU. Also Skopje and Kosovo
Lumpy-Tone-4653@reddit
Thats why you have some criteria to meet befire you enter the EU....Reforms in law of the land,democratic measures,referendums about joinning the EU....they have already done those....what makes you think they suddenly change mind NOW?!Thats the damn reason montenegro is so close to joinning...they have met that criteria unlioe kosovo,serbia,north macedonia etc...while i dont even think bosnia has filed a candidancy to the EU at all!
Strange_Status_7690@reddit
EU don't want trojan horse to block institution like for example Serbia can do. also they don't fit criteria and have a ton of disputes.
Lumpy-Tone-4653@reddit
They literally do meet the criteria....according to the EU itself...also Croatia still has disputes with other EU countries...that didnt hinder them from joinning....Those are minor dipsutes.Also labelling any balkan state wanting to join the EU a "tojar horse" is at best insulting ,at worst discriminatory...Bulgaria has never been a putin puppet...even know their new guy seems more of eurocritic than a eurosceptic.Russia literally trued to set up a coup in montenegro some years ago...what makes you think that Montegro is a trojan horse?
Strange_Status_7690@reddit
I don't believe Bulgaria will veto foreign policy with it's new government like Orban did. However it's a issue that has a Russian influence but not direct interference into it's home institutions.
Lumpy-Tone-4653@reddit
Those ifluences will wore down with time as bulgaria keeps devoloping under the EU.Now that bulgaria is in shengen is looking to adopt the euro,russia will have a significantly harder time at political maneuvering in bulgaria.
Strange_Status_7690@reddit
Yea but EU is not accepting disputes and unresolved frozen issues so Balkan countries have little prospects. you know we'll how problematic was and is still North Macedonia so it's not only about fitting direct criteria.
Lumpy-Tone-4653@reddit
Greece solved its problems with borth macedonia legally.Thats why they are not a russian or turkidh puppet rn.While theur only current disoute is with bulgaria,which is a The north macedonians have showed support for EU entrance in referendums and they are trying to reform..tho things have become stagnant rn.Serbia on the other hand is straight up a mess...vucic was elected in hopes of EU integration and now his clique controls the coyntry.Bosnia is uninterested nad their main problems are within,their 3 way system.Kosovo is really poor but it could reform its way to the EU if they were to solve the problem with serbia...Serbia is basically holding most of the balkans back and are the main russian ifluence in the region.Yet serbians mostly support the EU and vucic himself is no lucasenco or orban...he still wants to act as pro-european.
sonnygreen42@reddit
5 years ago Montenegro was in the same place as Bosnia is at the moment. Things can change.
abandonedtulpa@reddit
My brother in christ, we’re currently the trojan horse.
No_Search7380@reddit
My dude, Bulgaria will become a problem when they retain their pro-Russian politicians in power for more than 1 year.
Strange_Status_7690@reddit
it's still developed more than the rest and has entered eurozone. again politicians wil change but the country will stay
superaspro@reddit
I agree, pls let it be like this, the East needs Macedonia and Serbia more then the decaying EU 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Strange_Status_7690@reddit
Serbia is unfit for life to be EU it needs neutrality and should stay like that. but it's satelites also can't make it such as Bosnia which is also a problem country and N.Macedonia as a stalemated country.
superaspro@reddit
You're right my Albanian friend, how's life with an AI parliament, did you get your chip yet
thatMrGecko@reddit
this is also true. we'd instantly become the third largest group in the parliament, for example.
jaunmilijej@reddit
The largest actually
CyrexPro_32@reddit
About as large as Germany....but that won't rly be a problem, there is no geopolitic bloc that could form from Turkiye....maybe vote with Romania and Bulagaria on some economic plans but that's it.
I would love for the EU to expand in all the Balkans + Turkiye, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Armenia but the major problem are internal politics and coruption....not that you will shift the balance of power.
The european core is expanding and becoming more centralized anu unified. You won't ever outvote France, Germany, Italy, Benelux + most of the other nations that align with them.
zeclem_@reddit
so we can get to leave turkey, duh.
guywiththemonocle@reddit
if visa-free travel was reinstated like it was before the 70s, i dont think anyone in turkey would care about eu
Smart_Reporter9231@reddit
Turkiye has: - corrupt af - is a soft dictatorship - still denies armenian genocide - occupies Northern Cyprus - no freedom of speech really - not particularly famous for treating their minorities equally(not that we do it but atleast we pretend that we do infront of the EU)
I’d really love our neighbours to join the EU but its not happening soon unfortunatelly. Ukraine will join before they do
yenat98365@reddit
After us exemption of nato military wing, i wish luck for euroarmy concept 🪖
0a_boy0@reddit
If they ask me: You will join eu but erdoğan will stay 10 more years, I would say NO even without thinking.
RestaurantBoring417@reddit
Turkey should NEVER be allowed to join the EU unless they stop with their illegal occupation of northern Cyprus, recognize the Armenian and Greek genocide and get rid of Erdogan and his islamist allies
Montenegro is your average corrupt Balkan nation, but they're not even close to Turkey
Battlefleet_Sol@reddit
Anything else? Do you want Istanbul too?
Original-Hall-9832@reddit
I'd rather say to hell with the EU. Hope China makes them their colony.
Battlefleet_Sol@reddit
Let it be, we Turks don't want it, the EU process is dead, but nobody wants to accept it
userrr3@reddit
Well, yeah?! There are conditions you need to fulfill to join the Union and while countries like Montenegro and Ukraine are working towards those goals, Turkey kept working against those goals.
Tiranathracian@reddit
It's called racism.
No-Prior7905@reddit
We have been pretending that we want to join the eu for over 30 years now but havent made any effort to harmonize with eu legislation and then our politicians made excuses that the christian union doesnt want a muslim majority nation to join. Maybe try to carry out the requirements first? But the weird thing is that everyone in Turkey now is frustrated with the eu for not admitting us. Literally they have told us what we need to do and we havent done it. Dont want to do it? Fine no problem, but stop making excuses then.
claudiulacatus@reddit
no one wants turkey in because they are muslims
Emotional-Account182@reddit
its not that we just have millions of refugees that will flood eu if they allow us in
Martha_Fockers@reddit
Over under Albania eu by 2030 as the current estimate
zautopilot@reddit
EU do not deserve Turkey
Immediate_Lobster421@reddit
Moldova next🙏🏻
Russia is breathing down our necks-
WhoYaTalkinTo@reddit
Well, Montenegro is in Europe and Turkiye isn't, soooo
This-Wall-1331@reddit
Montenegro closed 14/33 negotiating chapters while Turkey only closed 1/33. Why would it be unfair?
Next_League6403@reddit
It could have been good 20 years ago. We've become way too self reliant to do what brussels wishes. Its good for smaller countries for extra eu funds, protection etc.
Only downside is visa free travel.
Elyay@reddit
Proof you can be corrupt AF as long as you get along
Jose_Caveirinha_2001@reddit
What about the Serbians travelling to Montenegro, using only Serbian ID?
PretendTemperature@reddit
I don't understand why Turkey is even still diacusses. The country obviously does not want to be in the EU, we don't need another Orban.
Final-Nebula-7049@reddit
It's not fair, that's the point of it
RecordingFearless474@reddit
Is enough we have romania in eu with 9% inflation, coruption, propaganda we dont need another country with 33% inflation
EdoValhalla77@reddit
Do people really believe that Turkey has any chance of becoming EU member ever. Even if Cyprus issues were to be resolved i personally think Turkey would never be “good” enough for EU to be accepted as full member state. I think best solution for Turkey would be same agreement as Norway has but i doubt Turkey would accept all the requirements for that deal to go through.
supermertgul@reddit
Who cares about eu
vu8@reddit
Turkey will never join because they are Muslims
ThingCandid9553@reddit
Turkey will never join the EU. Turks are not European genetically, culturally nor geographically.
Substratas@reddit
Cyprus would have never been allowed to join the EU if those were the requirements.
Nerdy_boi0@reddit
Greeks are not European 😱new genetics research right here guys, believe the Swedish albanian over all
Substratas@reddit
Greeks are European. I was just trying to point out that being Middle Eastern is not a reason to not allow a country to join the EU, unless they don’t fullfill the requirements.
I don’t understand the harsh tone.
https://i.redd.it/520voeyibbxg1.gif
Nerdy_boi0@reddit
It is and especially Turkey, since we’re not talking only about genetics, but culture and connectivity as well. You can’t allow a country that has been blackmailing the EU with refugees for a decade and laying territorial claims on two EU member states to join. The only way I see their possible entry into the EU is if they withdraw from Cyprus and void any claims to Greek waters and islands. However I don’t see that happening ever
Substratas@reddit
You certainly were ’cause I never claimed Greeks are Middle Eastern but you seemed too jubilant about ridiculing the straw man.
You certainly can’t, but what do these valid arguments you’re giving right now (unlike the ones the OC gave) have anything to do with a country not being Middle Eastern & my initial arguments?
Both Turkey and Cyprus are Middle Eastern countries, so I was simply pointing out the OC’s arguments were invalid.
Nerdy_boi0@reddit
Yeah the difference between Turkey and Cyprus though is that one has European culture, values, and a large European admixture, while the other is mostly Asian and has the opposite of European ideals, being an expansionist and genocidal ethnostate since its inception.
throw4way283828@reddit
Don’t want to burst your bubble, but since you mentioned genetics, Greek Cypriots aren’t actually very Greek at all. They are very Levantine and Asian.
Nerdy_boi0@reddit
According to who? At least 60% of their DNA comes from Mycenaean Greeks
ThingCandid9553@reddit
You’re comparing apples to oranges. Cyprus isn’t a muslim country or a dictatorship. Cypriots are basically Greek, so European. Plus, it’s one of the richer countries in the EU and the population’s tiny, so unlike Turkey, there was no way they’d be a problem for the EU.
Substratas@reddit
Well yeah, this is a valid argument, not ”you aren’t geographically in Europe” 😆
ThingCandid9553@reddit
Like I said, you’re comparing apples to oranges. Yeah, geography matters for EU eligibility. Turkey’s a Middle Eastern country, mostly muslim, and a dictatorship. It doesn’t really fit in what’s basically a European club.
Punkmo16@reddit
Okay guys pack it up. King of the Europeans spoken, we are not European.
yeah-I-know-that@reddit
This is a common sentiment among Europeans. Just because you moved into a European pocket of land 500 years ago doesnt magically make you european. I'm from the far east of Russia, does that make me Asian? Nope.
Punkmo16@reddit
>500 years ago
how much more time do you need bro 😭
yeah-I-know-that@reddit
It isn't about time it's about results. You could have gotted europenized in less if you willed it but you didn't. your choice not ours
Punkmo16@reddit
Could you define what’s that “Europenization” means? How could Russians, became so successful on it, that now a Russian from Siberia could gatekeep Europeaness?
yeah-I-know-that@reddit
cuz they moved there from europe? and brought european culture with them. The moment i go to istanbul you can instantly tell this is a non european muslim/middle eastern country from the culture
Punkmo16@reddit
My guy, honest question: have you ever been to another Muslim country?
yeah-I-know-that@reddit
I have been to 3 other muslim countries (if we dont count france)
hunichii@reddit
Finland seeing this:
ThingCandid9553@reddit
Finbros are European.
eleutheromaniann@reddit
yes,exactly. also, Erdogan ruined us but the solution is still with us. not EU.
urbanOutlaw04@reddit
That has nothing to do with entering the EU tho? What are you on?
ThingCandid9553@reddit
Except it does, it’s literally in the name: the European Union.
VisibleReport5008@reddit
you know, thats not how it works
ThingCandid9553@reddit
Except, it does.
VaseaPost@reddit
Most of them are genetically Greek/Armenian.
throw4way283828@reddit
This being not true..
That is not how genetics or identity works
ThingCandid9553@reddit
Except it is. Turks are basically a mix of different non-European ethnicities.
Gauss-JordanMatrix@reddit
You're a freak lad, commenting under every post about how turks are not white.
Is grass illegal in Romania?
ThingCandid9553@reddit
Lay off the crack, bud. I only reply to people under my own comment.
Gauss-JordanMatrix@reddit
Each any every one of them apparently 😭. I scrolled so long I thought I passed multiple comments.
Sieg hail harder man I’m sure Nazis will consider Gypsies white one day
throw4way283828@reddit
That is not how genetics work, and that is literally all of humanity.
ThingCandid9553@reddit
They have some European admixture, but most of them have heavy non-European admixture, which makes them non-European.
No-Heart3432@reddit
Probably when Russia dives inside of your country to march forward after Ukraine you'll want Türkiye. But whatever.
ThingCandid9553@reddit
That’s not gonna happen, bud. No reason to get worked up just because I said what everyone’s already thinking.
Prigorec-Medjimurec@reddit
Unlike Turkey whose governments never put any effort to join.
Montenegro actually wants to join and is doing a lot of effort to join.
SoulEkko@reddit
Congrats Montenegro and we're waiting for you soon!
Also news on the subject.
Reasonable-Crew-3128@reddit
I don't even understand why we are even talking about Turkey, it's not close to the country with the second, or third, or fourth best chances of entering, so what? Turkey is neither here nor there (whether fair or not). Macedonia or Bosnia or something should be saying this.
equili92@reddit
Bosnia hasn't even started negotitations
gounatos@reddit
And yet they will enter before EU.
Thodor2s@reddit
I would say that Bosnia is in the same category as Turkey. At this point they both need basically re-writting of their constitutional documents to join, and I don't see them joining otherwise.
Fantastic-Reading-78@reddit
Re-writting, bitch please that document is written by westerners, there is the biggest problem
Thodor2s@reddit
True, so not even gonna argue with that. If the constituent peoples of Bosnia joint forces tomorrow and made the Switzerland of the Balkans with a killer liberal, democratic and non-exclusionary constitution, who are WE to stand in their way?
Fantastic-Reading-78@reddit
well well well there is the answer in your post :) Croats and Serbs that live in Bosnia doesn't love it and want to separate it. One part to Serbia one part to Croatia. That is the goal more than 100 years. Sadly westerners made that agreement where serbians that made genocide and croatians that made Joint Criminal Enterprise are part of Bosnia solution. There goes all prosperity and joint force for Switzerland. Sadly.
gounatos@reddit
Oh sure, no doubt. But I feel it will be far easier to reform and modernise Bosnia than to get Turkey to even stop threatening its neighbours with genocide. Even for a year or two.
Thodor2s@reddit
Who knows? They are both equally unlikely to happen.
Reasonable-Crew-3128@reddit
They still have better chances. I honestly think they even have better chances than Serbia even though they started negotiations years ago.
equili92@reddit
Nah our constitution which is also the peace treaty that ended the war needs to be rewritten and that's something that noone wants to touch with a 10 foot pole
DesperateAngle1379@reddit
You can join the EU as soon as you return the rest of the occupied territory of Cyprus to Cyprus. ☺️
Original-Hall-9832@reddit
Wasn't it enough that you blackmailed the entire accession process in the 2000s with getting Cyprus forcefully in the EU? Which was far from a deserved membership at the time.
While at the same time screwed Macedonia for over 20 years over bogus nationalistic Greek insecurities?
herhangibirperson@reddit
Normal, Montenegro is easy. Smaller country, closed chapters
For Turkey, EU can go fuck itself. Fuck the EU and it's values. In the late 1900s/early 2000s, in Turkey we had checks and balances against Islamists. EU cried about how we need to be more "democratic", and all those checks and balances are gone. And now their are saying "muh erdoğannnnnn", without EU there would be no Erdoğan
Deep-Ad4183@reddit
A country like Turkey, which is built on nationalism and regards it as the norm, cannot possibly comply with European Union policies.
Original-Hall-9832@reddit
Better North Macedonia is this fair?
Got successfully bullied by Greece for over 20 years while the "democratic" EU stood a silent witness. In the end a sovereign country made another sovereign nation to change it's name ovsr a membership in a temporary organization! This organization (EU) said nothing all the way. Lr what they did say something that they were standing by their member countries lunatic interests (Greek). Wow right?
Now with Bulgaria is doing the same on North Macedonia but with historical criteria and demands for amending of the Constitution. EU accession at this point is joke as Copenhagen criteria mean nothing, while individual member countries whims have become the rule.
Hope the EU stands behind Hungary and Slovakia's interest this time too as they have pro_russian interests. But what now they've started singing another song? Hypocrites to the core!
Ok_Fee1126@reddit
Turks have ruined this sub with constant posts about them over and over and over.
Successful-Biggy@reddit
It is not fair, and it is not important anymore. EU's collapse started after brexit and max 10 years of life left.
manisali_adam@reddit
I don't think so; I haven't seen Brexit benefit the UK beyond causing political crises.
Successful-Biggy@reddit
It was both political crisis for UK and EU. EU lost a big economic group since UK was one of the big players. And then EU's necessity started to get criticised. EU's slow decision making, heavy bureaucracy, complicated benefit network became main topics.
Now, people are criticising EU is not giving to any member what it provided apart from the free border pass. Market regulations are still different, rule of laws are different, bureaucracy is still heavy, economic dry of minor countries, debts... EU was providing too many good things initially but now that appears the promises are not kept...
EU's collapse is the last thing that Turkiye wants btw since both sides are very dependent each other.
grkmmkrg@reddit
Turk here. If Türkiye joins EU it will be; * the largest population in the EU * the largest active military forces in the EU * the youngest population with the lowest median age in EU * the largest agricultural country in EU.
In that regard, I don’t believe it makes sense for Türkiye to join the currently weakened EU. It’s not simply that Erdoğan is blocking accession; rather, the EU has at times supported or accommodated an increasingly anti-democratic Erdoğan when it aligned with its own interests.
Moreover, the honest, ethical, not hypocritical, and libertarian EU would not want to lose a country like Türkiye—one that is not an EU member, is governed by a dictator whose legitimacy is derived from Europe and the United States, has a strong military, and, as a NATO member, serves as a buffer between the EU and the Middle East.
Performer_Relevant@reddit
That's disappointing. EU is cancer.
PairPrevious4740@reddit
Because of Erdoğan: yes! And this comes from a German-Türk.
Welcome to the EU Црно Гора🇪🇺🇲🇪
Light0fDesire@reddit
we never want to join EU, we just want EU standarts of life and economy here. because we know that EU will bring more problems in political, economical and social aspects.
EU membership candidate status was just a promise to win elections in 1999.
hunichii@reddit
Not to be the negative Nancy but just because you're in the EU it doesn't mean you're gonna get EU standards. Look at Greece, an EU country and compare it with Switzerland, for example
Light0fDesire@reddit
Exactly. But my point was, we don’t even want to be member. We just asked to have better standards, but politicians reverted all and they understood that we wanna be a member.
With better life standarts and more functional democracy, I don’t think we would need an union. Especially when the unions commission president just considered Turkiye as equal to Russia and China.
But are we gonna have better democracy and life standards soon, idk we will see in 2028.
Useful_Race_8313@reddit
Montenegro's population is not even 1m, Turkey on the other hand ho ho ho. Who knows 85-90? Turkey is a federation itself so eu is not a realistic future for Turkey or Europe.
FuckTheCake@reddit
Greece shouldn’t be in the EU
AsterianosD@reddit
cry harder
FuckTheCake@reddit
No but y’all will start another debt crisis that brings the whole union down. Can’t be trusted
hunichii@reddit
Not denying that Greece was ran by short-sighted idiots but to blame Greece for Western banks failing at 2008 is peak ignorance lmfao
casual_philosopher02@reddit
we were in the union since 1981 when it was still called EEC.... eurozone and EU is a whole different thing
kostasnotkolsas@reddit
That crisis sure did help the German economy, they got massive contracts when he had money and they got every good public asset during the crisis
Substratas@reddit
https://i.redd.it/r3ofrtw0abxg1.gif
Lumpy-Tone-4653@reddit
Holy shit that sub from where you crossposted fucking sucks.People in there think montenegro is a russian puppet that has done 0 reforms and it should no veto!Those mfs are the type of calicatures that orbanists use to describe the EU.
TheGuy839@reddit
It does make sense. I would feel the same in their shoes. Veto is stupid in first place. 2/3rds is fine, but giving every country veto is what makes EU so slow and easily targeted by outside influence. Montenegro has 0.6M population. It shouldnt really have power to veto what 300+M wants, no?
Lumpy-Tone-4653@reddit
Many in that comment section argue that montenegro just shouldnt have a veto at all.Not about a 2/3s rule.I am as pro-EU as one can be, but removing conpletely the vote of independnet states because they are small is unfair.
NoSync22@reddit
You don’t remove it, but you don’t make it blocking for hundreds of millions who disagree, a-la-Hungary. Qualified majority makes a lot more sense.
Lumpy-Tone-4653@reddit
I agree
fj0r1@reddit
Wtf did I just read there?
Mnd3333@reddit
I mean, all of their land is in Europe so I guess they have the piority.
xarmadonis@reddit
I am sorry if i am ignorant but is anyone know when romania is going to join the euro as her currency?
Adept-One-4632@reddit
So Long as Turkey is ruled by Erdogan, and europe is plagued by islamophobic politicians, the prospect of joining the EU will be close to zero
N0stalgiaNightz@reddit
Plagued by islamophobic politicians? The same ones who have let tens of millions of Muslims move to Europe?
Adept-One-4632@reddit
Same ones
unakwa@reddit
This is a game of influence. Turkey is not to be influenced, but to influence. Adding Turkey to EU would affect EU more than it would affect Turkey.
Itchy-Reading5953@reddit
Another way to force us paying VAT
TylerDurant@reddit
The only reason they will never join is cuz they are muslims, end of the story. If they were christians, they would be there already
yeah-I-know-that@reddit
I mean maybe only a small bit of Turkey is actually european? The rest isn't european either culturally or geographically. So why have them join? They clearly cannot fulfill most requirements and still illegally occupy Cyprus, an EU member state btw. Turks can keep dreaming lol
superaspro@reddit
Sad for Turkey, but also reconsider EU.
I live in it, it might not be even exist by 2028.
Also, what for sure will not exist is our pensions soooo
Btw, Montenegro and Kosovo are privileged in the way they supply the black market in EU
Downvote me how you want, my friends lmaooo
The only thing EU might improve is animal control.
No_Search7380@reddit
So not even touching on the political reforms a country has too fulfill in order to meet the criteria, can you seriously not see the benefits of a country with 2,5 mil and 600 k entering a unified market with more then 450 mil potentional consumers?
superaspro@reddit
Well, except Greece, Croatia, Spain, Portugal, Romania... Basically the South of Europe. 🎶🎶🎶
Don't be brainwashed.
retzulian@reddit
We all know you are just trying to ragebait and it seems to be working rofl. All the citizens of the countries you mentioned know it is net positive for them ever since joining EU. The only ones that think otherwise are the lazy scum of society that expected a handout from EU and an easy life Makes me wonder which category you fit in 👀
superaspro@reddit
Albanian bot spotted
retzulian@reddit
Aww poor little drooler went with the 'bot' attack, how original. Do you have any original ideas or you just regurgitate the zhit you see online?
superaspro@reddit
Lmao, c'ho preso, mbaree
No_Search7380@reddit
I live in Istria, and my family lived from 1920 up until 1945 under Italian rule. We travel to Italy at least a few times each year. For Italy it’s quite an evident lie, the same goes for Croatia. Like dude, do you seriously think Italian companies would have such earnings? Kinder was literally made for the express purpose of entering both Italian and German markets, something that would be quite more difficult Without the EEC (precursor of EU). And yeah, these 100 new houses around me that are being built, with all the ongoing public investements mounting to, what, 300-500 mil€, all financed in majority with EU funds, are a lie?
And seriously Portugal and Spain? Let’s put it Like this. After the Salazar and Franco goverments, they joined the EEC after 10 years. Do you really think Spaniards and Portugese wouldn’t have noticed the benefits of entering a far larger market, after spending 30-years under cleptocratic and fascistic rule? And you know, the actual political rights that needed to be upheld in order to enter/remain in the EEC?
superaspro@reddit
I don't understand, are you using Kinder to show how wealthy Italians are?
Okay, let's go with it then: Kinder/Ferrero made 19 billions of euros in 2025.
An average factory worker in the 2000s at Ferrero, is voiced made a lot of money enough to sustain it's family, plus Michele Ferrero is still so respected because there are voices that he started the Ferrero tradition to offer to his long-time worker's orphans a special living and school wage to get by.
The medium wage for an Italian worker (because that's what you want to consider when talking about quality of life, not the big corporations who don't represent the civilians) the 2000s was 1100 and 1200 euros, full-time.
Let's fast forward to 2026, Ferrero, as any other Italian industry, has underwent a lack of quality in its products (because the raw materials, between chocolate and milk cost a lot and I'm not sure, but thanks to globalization, they might not even always finance local Italian farms), they doubled their prices and currently offer initial internships of 600 euros, full-time, not assured long-term contract.
Someone who makes it, makes around 1100 and 1200 euros, something more if the factory has the night shift.
Sources: me, I live in Italy since forever. Italians don't fight for their rights. The pay wages are still since Berlusconi decided to sacrifice manpower and labor, made it cheap, just to create the Italian myth of the "Made in Italy", which is now dying.
Not to mention, lots of important corporations came for the tax benefits and then moved in the Balkans, throughout the years because the taxation, which is highly beneficial for them and very ugly for the rest of us, is not worth it and working with Italian bureaucrats is a reconfirmed nightmare.
It's like if I would say, dude look how rich Americans are, McDonald's made 140 billions!!! The average McDonald's worker is an underage guy making between 12 and 18 dollars, which is less then you might think applied to the rising cost of life.
ChorizoCriollo@reddit
Turkey is not Europe
xevoprime@reddit
If Turkey joins the EU and becomes a full member, Turkey will dominate the seats by ~90M population, almost equal to Germany. So it is not about democracy or Cyprus, Europeans don’t want a foreign power to dominate their internal and economic policies.
gavats@reddit
do people really think turkey is actually wanting to join the eu?
GrouchyCustomer6050@reddit
I think this is strategic. Didn’t Montenegro nearly end up in debt to the Chinese a few years ago before the eu had to step in? After some infrastructure project. This is likely to stop the Chinese and others getting a foothold here
Jakdublin@reddit
I think you’re thinking about a major infrastructure project and the EU didn’t step in. The project was put out to tender twice and no EU company applied so the project went to China. There is no issue with this as Montenegro followed the correct procedure.
TravisSeldon@reddit
With all the atrocities and crimes against humanity the Turkish state has recently committed in northern Syria and Afrin as well as the repression and exile of intellectuals and critics inside turkey, it's unlikely that Turkey is still considered a viable candidate.
Brussels doesn't want another orban, but this one armed with the 5th biggest Nato-Force and complex and unique relationships with Russia, Israel and Iran
grasshopperthathops@reddit
I don’t believe Turkey will join EU in my lifetime. So it is fair and not fair at the same time. As a Turk, I want EU because it can dictate private companies for its citizens favour. It can dictate privacy, it can dictate changable batteries, free roaming, validity of certifactes, diplomas etc. Turkey alone cannot dictate it or make life more expensive and unaccesible if tries. (More than now)
Unfortunately or sometimes fortunately Turkey does pass EU regulations which makes life harder for everyone but without the benefits of being a member. We are fbuddies without the benefits. This is the not fair part.
To be honest I would be ok with some benefits without being full member but with the guarantee of not losing the benefits. Access to EU market would be beneficial for both parties. EU needs to understand USA is not a friend. Never was, never will be. Turkey maybe not a friend right now, but it can easily be and most of us are willing. Most of the current problems can be solved. We tried in the past (pre-Erdogan and first few years of Erdogan).
KakaoFugl@reddit
What’s that have to do with Turkey?
Ujemegaz@reddit
silentmarrow@reddit
Do people actually think that Turkey is gonna join EU anytime soon? Lol
casual_philosopher02@reddit
I think Turks know they will never join, why would these news bother anyone? Montenegro did what was needed and joined
Repulsive_Work_226@reddit
EU is very clear. They want two countries on their borders. Russia and Turkiye. The strategy is to encircle them. In 2040s we will be talking about Georgia and Armenia becoming members.
Belarus has higher chance than Turkiye. EU can accept Turkiye and Russia if they are dissolved and have smaller population and area
One_Bill_8581@reddit
I think we don't give a s for real actually. It doesn't shine like before anymore. Eu seems like couple of white dudes trying to live their life with millions of non-educated people who completly dont had any modern culture or lifestyle refugees, which was the culture that the people who wants to live or be like eu to avoid. And the worst part is that it doesn't go anywhere better. It's almost like a s show at this point. We can live with our problems and we can solve them actually in a very near future. We did it before and we still have that power. But I'm really sorry for you guys.
Early-Show2886@reddit
is eu really so important to be a member of it? i doubt it.
Imaginary_String_814@reddit
original post
KaleidoscopeFar8190@reddit
We have too high of a population to ever dream of getting into EU. If we were the size of Serbia then sure our political differences wouldn’t risk EU interests but instead we are a very large nation and on top of that we are struggling with middle eastern problems. It’s plain and simple, they don’t wish to import middle eastern problems into EU.
northlord2137@reddit
Montenegro is not even a quarter of Türkiye in any respect. Moreover, especially considering the time they joined the EU, Bulgaria, Greece, and Romania are no better than Türkiye in any area. So, Türkiye's exclusion from the union is largely, if not entirely, a political and strategic decision. The EU will not include the Turks unless it is completely ruined.
Turbulent_Loan_1199@reddit
in my opinion Turkey as a country is part of Asia more than it is part of Europe, also i know it was discussed for years about joining the EU and also another reason they gave for not being a good candidate it is because it is between countries like Iran Iraq and i feel like it should stay neutral (like it is Ukraine between the rest of Europe and Russia), even though Turkey have the same culture as most of Eastern Europe countries, the big difference between them is the religion, which it might be a risk to the security of Europe and immigration(thats what they said back then). 🇷🇴🤝🇹🇷
fortisqp@reddit
As long turkey wants the ottoman back…they should stay away
eleutheromaniann@reddit
yes,it’s fair.because Turkiye doesn’t belong to Europe.
kostasnotkolsas@reddit
Turkey joining won't fix any problem, not your economics, not your rule of law, not geopolitical issues.
nironeah@reddit
We don’t give a fuck anymore. The EU—and Germany especially—is a hypocritical, two-faced bitch that just wants to keep us on a leash. To hell with the EU
No_Search7380@reddit
Dude, seriously, Türkiye will join the EU the latest out of all the candidates. Shit, BiH might enter the Union sooner.
No_Witness_8935@reddit
Why does anyone even want to join the EU? I don’t get it
No-Heart3432@reddit
where do you live?
No_Witness_8935@reddit
US
No-Heart3432@reddit
I'm not surprised.
ElPescadorVeins@reddit
Moscow
FuckTheCake@reddit
Single market, cohesion funds, Schengen, and prestige. It makes developing your country much easier
777fk@reddit
Free money, funds
Ok_Entrepreneur_6521@reddit
O edi rama ta qifsha grun, belinded gjith ca ke
throw4way283828@reddit
I don’t think Turkey should join the EU at all.
deviendrais@reddit
Not a single positive comment under the original post. What a retarded subreddit
evacOrbis@reddit
Biggest mistake of their life
Lumpy-Tone-4653@reddit
Erdawg's fault
FantasticQuartet@reddit
Yes. Montenegro has done a lot to deserve this, while Turkey has issues with Democracy and rule of law.
Kanca909@reddit
People still loves EU and tries to join EU in big 2026.
Serious-Ad-5275@reddit
A commy talking, listen and downvote.
VisibleReport5008@reddit
not commie but kinda true
Ok-Computer-5415@reddit
Good luck aganist russia and china and i guess America as well
Moonbeam1184@reddit
No we don't want to join eu, we are no cannonfodder for eu but we are cannonfodder for america.