A Stranger Collapse.
Posted by Monsur_Ausuhnom@reddit | collapse | View on Reddit | 188 comments
Posted by Monsur_Ausuhnom@reddit | collapse | View on Reddit | 188 comments
-_-Edit_Deleted-_-@reddit
Application fees đ
Getting fleeced at every level.
Organic-Addendum1609@reddit
Don't apply
-_-Edit_Deleted-_-@reddit
What?
Effective-Ebb-2805@reddit
And yet... firearms are so affordable (comparably) and readily available... Just as a thought exercise:
Take an apartment building that houses 100 people... with 100 rifles and their appropriate ammunition... the residents refuse to pay the ridiculously inflated rent... and refuse to vacate the premises if evicted... how does the landlord collect? The police, of course... but what about a building with 500 people and their rifles? Ten buildings of 500 people in a few city blocks... 100 buildings of 500 people (and their rifles, of course) In the city... How many cops would it take? What kind of legal resources would the landlord, the police, the city and the state would invest?
How far can you push a population, just to make them play your game... by your rules, and just to make you richer than you already are? How long before people decide that it is better to kill and die in battle than to starve, or die from exposure, all the while seeing your family suffer? Meanwhile, the US burns more than a billion dollars a day in this stupid goddamn war with Iran, Trump builds ballrooms, DHS wastes pallets of cash on an army of kidnappers and a bunch of concentration camps for working people, rural hospitals close by the hundreds, the price of everything rises...
What could possibly go wrong? Just a thought exercise...
Organic-Addendum1609@reddit
Keep exercising lol
lFightForTheUsers@reddit
I presume it would be like the MOVE bombing. They'd cut the power then start dropping artillery. Never underestimate the evil of the authorities.
Effective-Ebb-2805@reddit
They would definitely deal with it in a brutal, inhumane fashion... but, at what cost?
HERMANNATOR85@reddit
Fucking Louisiana and their bullshit $7.25 minimum wage. So glad I got out of that shithole
Organic-Addendum1609@reddit
I think its 7.25 for a reason
Some_Number_8516@reddit
We are to the true peak of last stage capitalism.
All homes and businesses are empty, rented by companies to other companies. The business are filled with AI workers selling to AI customers, and the streets are lined with bots making deliveries. However the streets are empty, barren of human life. Where is everybody you ask? In prison, of course. The homeless were "a problem."
Organic-Addendum1609@reddit
I mean.. if that fixes it đ¤ˇââď¸
littlepup26@reddit
48 out of 50 states have laws criminalizing homelessness.Â
03263@reddit
Some asshole cut down 12 acres of forest in a city near me because homeless were camping in it. I'm sure plenty of wildlife was too, it's right next to a river and between some big box stores so mostly birds and squirrels but still, those guys lose enough of their homes so often.
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Jeremy_Mell@reddit
thatâs so fucked. thatâs like comically evil and i donât know how these kinds of people can sleep at night (well, i do know, itâs because they have a lot of hatred in their heart and they get off on being evil to other people)
DestroyTheMatrix_3@reddit
What are the two that don't?
Cultural-Answer-321@reddit
"Beggars in Spain" by Nancy Kress
verstohlen@reddit
Mr. Clean waitin' for that asteroid so he can finally say, "Soon, it will all be clean."
Ok_Acadia4371@reddit
Bro do you actually go outside lol
AlwaysPissedOff59@reddit
Everybody isn't in prison; lots of them would be on the farms picking (and for some crops, planting) produce. They'd be paid exactly 10% less than the so-called "cost" of their "room and board" of course. And won't be released from servitude until they can pay off their debt to the corp that owns their prison.
huehuehuehuehuuuu@reddit
With AI, robotics, and mass outsourcing, the very sociopathic few in the true ownership class think they can rid of the poor. This is active culling.
illumi-thotti@reddit
And then all the housing help goes to crackheads who turn their units into trap houses before getting evicted and going back to the shelters, then the landlords blacklist homeless applicants and it becomes harder for homeless people who work and maintain sobriety to get housing.
Signed, someone who's been homeless for over a year and a half.
777Volts@reddit
bottom of the ladder and still punching down, classy
Icy_Bench3430@reddit
You can punch both ways.
Jkid@reddit
If we have proper drug rehabilitation centers run by government that force people who take drugs in public or who cant take care of themselves into treatment, a lot of the homeless resources would be for people who actually need it
a_little_hazel_nuts@reddit
If the federal minimum wage kept up with inflation since 1968 it would be $14/hour. So that means everyone working for $14/hour is living like somebody in the 70's making minimum wage. The government has slowly made life harder over the last 4 or 5 decades being paid off by lobbiests. The USA is supposedly a 1st world country but our labor rights, wealth inequality, and healthcare is not.
CJBlueNorther@reddit
You're basing that offf CPI, which has been manipulated to hell over the decades. Just years and years of cooking the books.
A better way to compare it is the price of gold back then compared to minimum wage, back when we were only the gold standard.
In 1970, when the Dollar was still on the gold standard, minimum wage was $1.60/hr, and gold was $36/oz. So minimum hourly wage was worth 4.45% of an ounce of gold. For that same buying power to exist today, with gold currently at $4,700/oz, minimum wage would have to be $209/hr.
Aurelar@reddit
$200 an hour? Really? The USA was rolling in it a few decades ago.
FrouFrouLastWords@reddit
Can you explain why the CPI is whack. I know that it is, but not the technicals of what make up the why.
atatassault47@reddit
Exactly. Housing has been left out of inflation for decades because it would be like minimum 10% per year if housing was included.
a_little_hazel_nuts@reddit
Would you run for president. You got my vote.
piss_stored_in_balls@reddit
Significa g wealth inequality and non uniuniversal healthcare is exactly what a 1st world country should have. 2nd world would have equal wealth and universal healthcare
a_little_hazel_nuts@reddit
So Canada, Mexico, and everyone else is a 2nd world country.
piss_stored_in_balls@reddit
We have significant wealth inequality and paid+tiered health insurance. Have you been outside the US?
a_little_hazel_nuts@reddit
What country has the worst wealth inequality in their countries history and a mainly privatized healthcare for the population?
piss_stored_in_balls@reddit
Canada and the US. That's a first world system
a_little_hazel_nuts@reddit
I know. Either way USA is in last place when it comes to healthcare, education costs, and labor rights.
highcoldstar@reddit
Minimum wage would be even higher than that if you factor in that workers in every single sector are expected to be much more productive than at any other point in history. At that point, we're talking around $25/hr.
a_little_hazel_nuts@reddit
Yes exactly. But whenever I make a comment like this, I always get backlash saying nobody makes minimum wage or $14/hour, blah blah blah. But if that was true, why doesn't the government raise the wage. When California made fast food workers wage $20/hour so many people were mad at that, which doesn't make sense. Do people think fast food workers should starve, be homeless, or not be able to afford shoes? It's insane.
sodook@reddit
And prices did skyrocket, but theyre coming back down because it turns out mcdonalds does actually want to sell burgers.
When we do shit rich peole dont like they put the screws to the economy cause they can. Just like how the police will sandbag politicians they dont like and fuck up their crime numbers (only union i know of that i dont support. But I dont think they're real effects, theyre a tantrum by spoiled brats who couldn't get their own way, and I think thats a great argument for capping individual wealth accumulation and maybe wealth association. Like, we really need to get a handle on money, cause it is empowering people to meddle with the fabric of society at scale and they are by and large not out for the greater good. It turns out money doesnt select for morals, just ruthlessness and good fortune.
bayhack@reddit
Just read an article about a study in SF where food prices didnât increase in the long run. Which is funny cause in my college economics course they kept hammering to us that wages donât affect inflationâŚinterest rates do it was always the trick question through 3 different Econ courses by different professors. It was like their pet peeve or something lol
StillCorgi1516@reddit
Unions can be rich brats. Sag-Aftra is a good example.The people who run it are controlling morons. Ever heard of the movie Dead Meat?
a_little_hazel_nuts@reddit
Yep, I believe wealth should be capped at 300 million and 100% taxed over that. I also think all employers should only be allowed to pay the top earner 30Ă the bottom earner including all the bells and whistles (stock, insurance, bonuses, excetra).
tjoe4321510@reddit
One way that people evaluate their wealth is by looking at their own wage and comparing to the bottom earners. When the bottom earners make more money then the gap becomes smaller and that influences the perceived self-worth of slightly higher earners.
This kind of stupidity and selfishness is unfortunately common amongst the lower classes and it's why we constantly vote against our own interests.
sodook@reddit
AI said with inflation it would be 21-25 per hour. Just inflation. Not productivity or gdp, which i believe would result in an even higher minimum wage. Be more angry, youre short changing your outrage.
Tim Robins what did they do to us.gif
a_little_hazel_nuts@reddit
When I googled the information, I got $14-$15, but I do believe this to be a lower estimate.
AlwaysPissedOff59@reddit
According to the Inflation Calculator, a $1.60 minimum wage in 1970 is 13.75 today. But as noted elsewhere, this uses the BS CPI.
Another way to look at it is the price of an average candy bar. In 1970, you could buy, say, a Hershey's Milk Chocolate candy bar for 10 cents. In 2020, that same candy bar cost $1.50, yet according to that same Inflation Calculator set to 2020, it SHOULD cost only 67 cents - HALF of what it actually costs! Using that same ratio, then minimum wage should be twice the Inflation Calculator's value of $13.75 - or $27.50!
sharthunter@reddit
Except the purchasing power of the dollar has been vastly eroded since 68
superspeck@reddit
And boy howdy you should check out how itâs been eroded in the last couple of years.
sodook@reddit
Yes, that is the inflation minimum wage should be tied to.
kingtacticool@reddit
The USA is a fascist an oligarch and a dictator in a trench coat.
Kyia-Aikman@reddit
Itâs Judge Holden in a rainbow suit with a TikTok account.
sodook@reddit
He never sleeps, the judge. He says he will never die.
Magikrat@reddit
Smiling.
zerosumratio@reddit
Thatâs why you gotta lie and edit statements. I have never been honest with a slumlord
Killerkendolls@reddit
They're not gonna be honest about anything hidden behind paint, fair game
blackcatwizard@reddit
Just lost everyone and everything because of an electrical fire. Still haven't got my fucking deposit back from them. Haven't had a good landlord in my life.
Over-Journalist705@reddit
get your doctor to prescribe you an emotional support animal (s) And you can stop worrying about whether they allow pets or not
shadowscar00@reddit
Please donât do this. Taking advantage of and manipulating systems put into place to protect the disabled delegitimizes our needs and tends to lead to those protections being rejected. Just like how service dog handlers are being abused and rejected from stores because everyone buys a vest off Amazon to bring FiFi in Walmart, the âemotional support animalâ âhackâ is making it harder for people with actual needs to be approved for an apartment. Housing is difficult, but we donât drown the people below us for an extra breath of air.
Bob_Van_Goff@reddit
An emotional support animal is not a service animal. The only benefit that having an emotional support animal grants to a person is that the landlord can not forcefully separate the animal from the family as a condition of tenancy.
You are talking about non disabled people pretending to be disabled so that they can publicly flaunt the rules. That is an entirely different issue. E
blackcatwizard@reddit
Yeah, I think many people don't understand this. And they need to be registered as such.
Over-Journalist705@reddit
I don't know what you're on about. I have a medical need and I'm suggesting solutions for somebody with other potential medical needs. if the doctor does not feel it's appropriate, they will not move forward. stop chastising me for providing advice
ElegantDaemon@reddit
That rare case where both sides of the argument are correct.
justforpornokayguys@reddit
Because landlords are legally obligated to rent to people with service animals? With a doctors note of course
Severe_Intention_480@reddit
I tried that with my "support leopard" but they didn't go for it.
Inner-ego@reddit
That's when you unleash said support leopard because their support is needed now
FruitBowl@reddit
zaplinaki@reddit
One thing I've learnt renting all my life is that the good landlords usually exist in the higher price range places. Even for like one bedroom apartments, I've found that the ones who care about their place, and their tenant are the ones who usually price their place 10/15% above market rates.
ElegantDaemon@reddit
If you don't complain and pay on time, a good landlord will never give you a reason to move out. Their mortgage isn't going up so why should the rent go up.
Daemonswolf@reddit
I have a house that I rent in a different state because I couldn't sell it when I left the state for reasons.
I rented it at a fair market price three years ago and haven't raised the rent since. My tenants do their best to pay on time (they've had some late payments but I've told my property manager not to charge them fees so they communicate - we just change the due date) they keep the house in nice condition, and they let us know right away when something needs repair or replacement.
I place a lot of value in those things, so I don't raise the rent.
I'll probably sell whenever they move out, but for right now, they keep treating the house well and the rent can stay where it is.
Inner-ego@reddit
There's a difference between someone renting out a property and doing the right thing by the tenants, and someone ripping the tenants off.
I never once read in your comment about how you rip the tenants off. It sounds like you both worth together (with a decent property manager) to help each other.
Comrade_Compadre@reddit
Why replace electrical receptacles when you can just paint over them
mime454@reddit
My landlord required digital access to my bank account to see the money I have coming in.
Specific_Emu_2045@reddit
lol thatâs been my last 2 landlords. Best part is you have to make a separate account to verify your paychecks so some random 3rd party site gets your personal info as well :))))
Kellidra@reddit
Ew. No.
dsrtxt@reddit
What the fuck. Technofeudalism is here.
night_rain7@reddit
Holy shit, that so invasive.
AnyAssumption4707@reddit
WTH? Please explain digital access. Like, they can log in and see your acct activity?
mime454@reddit
I had to sign into some portal, it partnered with plaid, that surfaced my paychecks to submit to the landlord.
AnyAssumption4707@reddit
I had to look it up and holy sh!t the amount of info that Plaid gives your landlord about you is insanely invasive. And they had a nearly $60 million data breach settlement not too long ago. I am not looking forward to reacting an apartment any time soon.
AnyAssumption4707@reddit
Crazy.
littlepup26@reddit
I can't edit my credit score though :(Â
thisisanaccountforu@reddit
Literally why I just got denied a rental. I make well enough money now to be able to afford it and pay but my credit is fucked. So my two options are to either pay for first and last months upon my initial deposit or get a co-signer, all of this for a place Iâll only be subleasing for 3 months before moving somewhere a lot farther
DestroyTheMatrix_3@reddit
Land of the free, huh?
03263@reddit
Oooh boy I remember doing that way back in the day, needed to move without a job lined up and stuck an extra zero in a bank statement printout so it looked like I had enough savings to meet their minimum.
Banned4Truth10@reddit
Your comparing average rent with the lowest pay.
Shocker the numbers don't match.
Specific_Emu_2045@reddit
You have to start being desperate to make more money. I cruised by in low-income jobs for years⌠working at chain corporations for $12 an hour just isnât feasible for independent living anymore.
You HAVE to advance your career and develop skills of some sort. You have to be fighting tooth and nail to make more money. You might have to spend your precious free time looking for a way to make more money.
I hate the âhustle cultureâ shit too but wallowing in self-pity does nothing. With our current leadership things are only going to get worse for workers. You have to stake your claim in the modern world or you will be left behind. Itâs going to get really bad really fast.
Banned4Truth10@reddit
Marketable skills that pay more
thedoctorisout25@reddit
Be careful bringing logic in here. Federal minimum wage (which youâd have to actively seek out at this point) should actually get you your own nice apartment with no roommates in a desirable city and trendy neighborhood!
Vegetaman916@reddit
Work doesn't work. I've been saying this for a long time, and people always hate on it despite complaining about their crapp work income.
So, I might as well collect a few more downvotes with this.
Minimum wage isn't a career. It isn't meant to provide for the entirety of your life needs. These are jobs that are "spare-money" jobs, "working your way through college and sleeping on couches" jobs, "I'm a teen in the summer" jobs, and other things where you are actually either someone else's dependent, or one of 7 roommates splitting bills.
A 40 year old doesn't make the same as a 17 year old because the 40 year old has spent the last 20 years building a life-supporting career. They may have started at Burger King like everyone else, but they don't end there. Expecting menial and entry level jobs to pay the same as a lawyer or computer programmer with 15 years of experience is silly.
If you have made the silly mistake of not training into a high level career, then you need to do something different, and stop trying to make employment work for you. Because it won't.
I know, because I made that mistake, and was bitching and complaining my way to my 40s thinking the world owed me a six figure salary because my K/D ratio on COD was so tight...
And then I realized I was an idiot, and I quit working jobs forever and turned to generating income outside of the wage slavery system.
Now I do whatever I want all the time.
The problem isn't the jobs. It isn't the economy, and it isn't you either. You are just doing the wrong things, trying to put a square block in a round hole. Stop it. Find a square hole. Or cut the block up into tiny squares to put through the round hole in violation of the rules. Or, better yet, start making round balls to sell to other people standing in line with their square blocks, and collect a fee every time.
TL;DR A bunch of words to say quit wasting time on jobs and go make money.
Specific_Emu_2045@reddit
I agree with you. People have to start being desperate to make more money. I cruised by in low-income jobs for years⌠working at chain corporations for $12 an hour just isnât feasible for independent living anymore.
You HAVE to advance your career and develop skills of some sort. You have to be fighting tooth and nail to make more money. You might have to spend your precious free time looking for a way to make more money.
I hate the âhustle cultureâ shit too but wallowing in self-pity does nothing. With our current leadership things are only going to get worse for workers. You have to stake your claim in the modern world or you will be left behind. Itâs going to get really bad really fast.
icorrectotherpeople@reddit
Okay but if the average rent is 1600 whatâs the average hourly rate?
camoure@reddit
This is why I think all elected officials in government should make minimum wage. You wanna represent the people? By all means, live by your standards then
BenUFOs_Mum@reddit
I suppose if you want to see even worse corruption.
JBrody@reddit
I think that you're unfairly being down voted here. If being an elected official is minum wage in pay then only the mega rich will do it, creating an even more dystopian system than what already exists.
BenUFOs_Mum@reddit
Yeah its pretty funny politicians in most countries are generally pretty underpaid for the responsibility they take on. They are paid like middle management at most large companies.
Quick googling said that Gavin Newsome makes about 220k for being the governor of california, a good salary but on Indeed I can find equivalent salaries for an optometrist and a pet insurance sale rep in the state.
Frankly im fine with politicians getting paid like CEOs if they are doing a good job. Running a country or a state is a fuck load more important than running a company. And if you want genuinely talented people running the country you should pay them the kind of wages genuinely talented people can earn in the private sector.
nickiter@reddit
I really do believe that the pay of Congress should be fixed at a multiple of minimum wage; something like 5x.
Can't live on that? How interesting! Wonder what it's like to live on 1/5th!
ebrillblaiddes@reddit
I figure median wage would make a certain amount of sense also, so they could improve their situation by acting to improve regular people's situation.
inafrog@reddit
And be required to take public transit. And send their kids to public schools
DestroyTheMatrix_3@reddit
And their kids eat the school lunch.
camoure@reddit
Abso-fuckin-lutely
Clym44@reddit
I like that
dishinpies@reddit
You gotta make a lot more than $30/hr: after taxes and benefits, youâre not bringing home $4800/mo.
Iâm salaried at $81.8K/yr, and my take home is a little under $5K.
-_-Edit_Deleted-_-@reddit
Hang on, my take home pay is higher than yours while my salary is lower than yours?
I thought I was supposed to be in the taxed to hell country.
dishinpies@reddit
Maybe you also live in a country with Universal Healthcare?
-_-Edit_Deleted-_-@reddit
I do yes.
dishinpies@reddit
Welp, there you go. Lol
farklenator@reddit
Nah the wildest part is when you open the comment section and some bozo is going âonly 5% of people actually make minimum wageâ
ferenginaut@reddit
i was prolly the guy he met
Bright_Tax628@reddit
Hope you're okay pal :)
ferenginaut@reddit
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ILoveHead@reddit
This the main reason I donât care about that dumb war ,Israel, and all that other gay shit yall be crying about on this app. The government not even trying to move the country into the future.
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Intelligent-Ring5113@reddit
No theyâre moving the country into the future for sure. Itâs not a future any of us are gonna want though.
emmc47@reddit
Doesn't matter if we don't want it. It'll happen regardless.
ILoveHead@reddit
You right bro
JackieLawless@reddit
They're forgetting about taxes too. $30/hr translates to a lot less
onicker@reddit
And so the dark future approaches
Cultural-Answer-321@reddit
Dark-er. Is it not dark enough already?
Sorry_End3401@reddit
I NEVER thought I would become homeless. I had a great job, house, family. I suffered a âbrain injuryâ. Though I received the wrong treatment I became bogged down with bills.
Here is the horrific part, I had to figure out what to pack to live in my car. Iâm happy I have a car.
I work full time at Walmart. They do not pay a living wage. However, I was able to save to rent a room.
Now, I am more resilient. I need practically nothing to live a good simple life. No internet, no streaming services, zero smart appliances. I use cellular data on my phone which I make sure to turn off frequently.
I am more free and ready for any sort of collapse that happens. I can pack my car in emerge situations in under 5 minutes. I know how to use rope ladders to escape fires. I know where the junkyards are to pull parts for my car. I can change tires and my oil. Grow a couple herbs with an egg carton.
So if you have anxiety about the future, grow resilience and get rid of anything that weighs you down. I used to worry about the stupidest stuff like credit scores and buying âuseless stuff.â
Get rid of AI in your life, stop consuming. If you canât wear it or eat it-donât buy it. Have fun in your life learning skills like knowing how to exit out of your windows if you have a fire or flood. Teach your kids this basic stuff. Go camping with very little stuff. The inner security you build will last a lifetime
Key_Friendship_9873@reddit
A buddy of mine makes 125k a year and his girlfriend about the same. They have to forge their bank statements and w-2 just to qualify for a 1 bedroom in the city. If 40x your rent at 4k aprently 250k combined income isn't enough.
TernarySquare0123@reddit
Ecofascim is alive and well, unfortunately.
refusemouth@reddit
???
TernarySquare0123@reddit
!
refusemouth@reddit
*#@$%
StarTrakZack@reddit
Iâm a social worker/mental health worker so I work with a lot of clients experiencing homelessness. I was a contributor to the biggest homelessness study in the history of our County. We paid $80k to some bigwig PhD consultant from back East (who has since been appointed by Trump to run the U.S. Interagency Council on Homelessness and has come to fully deny the systemic causes of homelessness, per Party orders đŤĄ) to conduct a months-long study. I was a member of the local team gathering & contributing data. Anyway, we found that around 80% of all homeless people in our county were either working or seeking work, 40% were actively working or going to school (17 high school students actively attending classes identified as fully homeless btw which is insane), and almost 25% of all legally homeless worked full time 40+ hours a week. Most other studies show that this is pretty common for the Country as a whole - around a quarter of legally homeless people in the US work full time.
Basically out of the roughly ~1,200 people experiencing homelessness in our County at the time, only around 250 were fully unsheltered, living on the street, and not either working or seeking work. And itâs no coincidence that those were the people suffering from the most severe mental health issuesâŚ
Also it is important to note that legally homeless doesnât mean what most people think it means - most homeless are not sleeping under bridges & on sidewalks outside of businesses - the vast majority of folks classified as homeless are in shelters, sleeping in cars, paying for hotel rooms when they can, or are âcouch surfingâ or bouncing around from couch to garage to RV with friends & family. The widespread idea of the lazy homeless drug addict whoâs happy just sitting around collecting benefits and refusing to do anything productive is largely a myth, those kinds of people are an infinitely small percentage of the overall homeless population.
IMO any adult working 40+ hours in our Country should be able to afford even basic accommodations. Shoot, I have a âgoodâ job and make well over $30/hr (right around the median household income for my County) and can barely afford the most basic (shitty) place to live. This is insane.
CowBoyDanIndie@reddit
Rent starts at $1200 where I live and starbucks and fast food jobs start at $15 an hour. I get the argument but lots of basic jobs start above minimal wage. The federal minimum wage also applies to very low cost of living places where rent is $800
lFightForTheUsers@reddit
Reading these comments and seeing how bad the situation is, it really is a miracle that more Luigi v CEO đŠđŤ or warehouses getting đĽ moments haven't happened yet.
Monsur_Ausuhnom@reddit (OP)
Submission Statement,
Related to collapse because it appears that the ability to work is no longer covering the basic needs in America to rent. As collapse accelerates it may mean that some are going to pay to live literally at the garbage dump with garbage avalanches, or a block of sidewalk with at tent that will be approximately $2000 to rent out a month. Meanwhile, economic disparity will continue to grow with the first trillionaires and eventual quadrillionaires walking amongst us.
emmc47@reddit
The only enemy against satire and fiction is reality. We've lived in a dystopia for decades.
Substantial_Drop_576@reddit
They're not gonna be honest about anything hidden behind paint, fair game
StoopSign@reddit
When I worked at a soul food restaurant our dishwasher lived in a park
Key_Friendship_9873@reddit
Work at Amazon. And a few Associates work 50h at Amazon a week and 30 hours a week at their other job and they live in their cars. I know this because sometimes we have to keep them out of the break room if their not scheduled to work.
gingersusie@reddit
What in the hell. Do you live in a hcol area?
Key_Friendship_9873@reddit
New York CityÂ
gingersusie@reddit
Ah ok this makes a lot more sense now. I love NYC and even thought about moving there, but as you know! Crazy expensive. My 21 year old godson moved there from kcmo, moved back home after a year, and is now moving back to NYC. Oh to be young again...
BBR0DR1GUEZ@reddit
If you move to Westchester instead of NYC, you can drop that rent significantly and live right next to a Metro North railroad station, which can take you directly to Grand Central in Manhattan in 30 minutes. You get to see the city when you want to and itâs more affordable.
WorldyBridges33@reddit
Same with New Jersey!
SamsCustodian@reddit
What area is this. Thatâs insane.
Hennypenny667@reddit
Admittedly, I havenât seen anywhere pay anything close to minimum wage in years, even in rural areas.
relianceschool@reddit
This is important to note. While it is absolutely ridiculous that minimum wage hasn't budged in over 15 years, I haven't seen any jobs offered at under $15/hour where I live.
Median hourly wages in 2022 were $27/hour, while average rent is about $1,600. Assuming 40 hours/week, your take-home is about $3,200 after taxes. So you can afford rent, but it's eating up 50% of your income and after food, transportation, and healthcare, you'll have barely anything left over. Not nearly enough to put away enough savings escape the trap.
This describes my situation pretty much to the dollar over the past decade. I was lucky to finally land some higher-paying work in the past year, which along with cutting out some big expenses (I don't own a car) finally allowed me to start building up some savings. But if I'd had kids, or any kind of health issue, it would have been impossible.
a_little_hazel_nuts@reddit
Half of the nation's workers make under $25/hour.
BenUFOs_Mum@reddit
But only 1% earn the federal minimum wage.
a_little_hazel_nuts@reddit
Which is pathetic since it's far below a starvation wage. The fact corporations have the ability to pay 1 in every 100 workers $7.25/hour is disgusting.
TopAdministration716@reddit
That's why you gotta find someone to split the rent with. I couldn't fathom spending half my income on rent just for myself.
Quay-Z@reddit
Why can't the rent just be less
relianceschool@reddit
True. Used to be one salary could support 2 people. Now 2 salaries can barely support 2 people.
relianceschool@reddit
Absolutely, and that's why I believe the "loneliness epidemic) is in some part manufactured (or if not that, at least encouraged) by the powers that be. When you're in a stable relationship you can split housing, and possibly transportation as well. Whereas 2 single people = 2 apartments, 2 cars, additional childcare, etc. Twice the "economic benefit," but way worse for actual humans.
TopAdministration716@reddit
That's a good point. It would be impossible for me to make it without having my brother to split everything with.
NyriasNeo@reddit
That is wrong. You only need 3x as deposit for the first month. So not $4800 a month. After that, it is $1600. So it is $4800 the first month, $1600 each month after.
benjamin7519@reddit
You need to prove 3x the rent in monthly income; or you're not getting keys...
booksandkittens615@reddit
I highly, highly recommend the book âThere Is No Place For Us: Working and Homeless in America,â by Brian Goldstone. It does a fantastic job of showing how easy it is to go from having a home to being working and homeless. There is an entire industry built around preying on people in these situations, from co-signing companies to landlords to extended stay motels. We all need to be informed so we can prepare and do what we can to help people in these situations.
samjoe6969@reddit
The only issues is that you are comparing AVERAGE rent to MINIMUM wage, there are more realistic comparisons that are depressing enough. Minimum wage is a fucking joke, though.
fibronacci@reddit
Renting is not for minimum wage. There's the street for those hooligans. /s
TryptaMagiciaN@reddit
lmao. but the problem and thing to be afraid of was the chinese social credit system ... wonder what their housing situation looks like.
and this isn't a look how great China is.. it's look how much more bad world superpowers can be even amongst each other
Livid-Rutabaga@reddit
a few weeks ago my Lyft driver was the manager of the local grocery store
amazing world we live in
Cartoonjunkies@reddit
Where the fuck are you living that the AVERAGE rent is $1600?
Most places around me are like $1200 for a pretty decent apartment.
littlepup26@reddit
Where do you live where a one bedroom apartment is $1,200?? You'd be lucky to find a studio for that price by me đ
Cartoonjunkies@reddit
South Georgia. And not a one bedroom, a two bedroom with a living room and kitchen.
If you avoid living in big cities the cost of living is astronomically lower.
Over-Journalist705@reddit
are gas, electric, water, internet, sewer, and garbage included in your rent?
dishinpies@reddit
Denver, average 1BR apartment is ~1.6K/mo. My apartment is $1,344/mo before electricity, and itâs considered a relative steal.
In 2017, I was paying ~960/mo after utilities for a studio.
Evening_Grass_8073@reddit
Minimum wage is $7.25 Let's be liberal with the estimate and assume you're working 8 hours per day, 5 days per week. I'm also not going to bother with tax and stuff cuz I'm lazy
$7.25 x 8 hrs = $58 per workday $58 x 5 days = $290 per week $290 x (approximately) 4 weeks in a month = $1160 per month
So you're cooked regardless if you're "living" off a single minimum wage job, and that's not even including all the other expenses tacked off by the government. I hope those homeless shelter mattresses are comfy for the people in that position. Assuming they won't get shived in their sleep.
Cartoonjunkies@reddit
Keep in mind by âdecentâ I mean a two bedroom with a big living room, kitchen, and washer/dryer.
If you get a studio apartment or smaller one bedroom youâre probably looking at around $600 a month.
Evening_Grass_8073@reddit
Well now we're just lowering the standard. I think it's fair to say that the minimum wage is far too low and rental prices are far too high to bother entertaining this anti-humanist system.
SwissCheeseSuperStar@reddit
Thatâs the average where I live as well as the minimum wage still being at $7.25 an hour, unless youâre a server then it dips to $3.35 an hour lol
CrimsonBolt33@reddit
I have been lucky in that all my landlords have overlooked that aprt lol
twaggle@reddit
Youâre generally not suppose to live alone with a $1600 rent if youâre making minimum wage. Normalize shared housing.
PiLamdOd@reddit
We should not be normalizing minimum wage not being the minimum wage needed to live comfortably.
twaggle@reddit
I lived with 3 others in a 4 person apartment for $2300 total when I made minimum wage and lived âcomfortablyâ as in I was clean, clothed, fed, and could afford an occasional concert and drinks.
PiLamdOd@reddit
Living alone should not be a luxury. Don't normalize being underpaid.
KlutzyPassage9870@reddit
People are less and less organically social.
Many are not good at sharing living quarters.
Thanks to social media.
Domestic violence cases are on the rise.
Thanks to greedy landlords hiking the rents.
Our over-lord's are saying: "its not personal, its business".
It certainly feels very personal to me.
Grozzitron8000@reddit
I live in Massachusetts. Minimum wage in 2013 was $10 an hour. My first apartment was $165 a week. I was able to afford that on part time minimum wage work. Couldn't afford much else, but it was doable.
Today, minimum wage in Mass is $15 an hour. That same hole in the wall is going for at least $1600 a month. You'd have to work full time at minimum wage (good luck finding that) to take home $450 a week ~$1800 a month. I feel horrible for anyone in a shitty home life trying to get out in this day and age...
Democrat_maui@reddit
Muladhara86@reddit
âJust leverage your capital and buy - youâll save money in the long run!â
relianceschool@reddit
You've been paying $1,800/mo. in rent for 10 years? Sorry, that doesn't qualify you for a $1,200/mo. mortgage.
Slamtilt_Windmills@reddit
I gotta wonder about their math, if few people are making $60k, they wlrisk the apartment going empty. And I would assume thats their worst case,scenario, but every day I doubt that a bit more
twaggle@reddit
Because itâs nonsensical
Slamtilt_Windmills@reddit
If there is generally an excessive requirement for renting, then there won't be sufficient renters to fill the apartments in a given area. It would seem that having an unoccupied apartment would be a loss of money, but that would mean over time ypu would see a relaxation of the excessive requirements, and we havent seen that
davisbm2@reddit
If you're making minimum wage, I don't really care about your opinion or struggle to find housing. At that point you're going to need roommates or live with your parents.
Zealousideal-Rip-574@reddit
This is America
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Related to collapse because it appears that the ability to work is no longer covering the basic needs in America to rent. As collapse accelerates it may mean that some are going to pay to live literally at the garbage dump with garbage avalanches, or a block of sidewalk with at tent that will be approximately $2000 to rent out a month. Meanwhile, economic disparity will continue to grow with the first trillionaires and eventual quadrillionaires walking amongst us.
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-sussy-wussy-@reddit
Where I live, there's also an absolutely crazy amount of money being required as a security deposit (2-3 months of rent at least). Plus, the real estate agent is going to get their own cut (1x rent payment, often from BOTH parties or just the renter).Â
Just imagine also needing to hand out about 2-3x the median wage to be able to rent something, in addition to having to show your job contract or even pay slips from your job.Â
BirdBruce@reddit
Hey, Iâm here for some of that 1600 rent I keep hearing about?
Intelligent-Ring5113@reddit
No theyâre moving the country into the future for sure. But itâs not the kind of future any of us are gonna want.
thedoctorisout25@reddit
Well, average rent compared to minimum wage.. whatâs minimum rent? In the city I used to live in (400k metro population) you could easily get a 1b1b for about $700 4 years back - I paid $920 for a 2b2b with a garage parking spot, looks like the 1b is about $800 now including parking. $1600 in that city rents you a 3b2b house to yourself. If I was making minimum wage Iâd target not living in a place where $1600 is the cheapest place I can get.. in the end, minimum wage jobs can be had all over - you donât need to be in an expensive area or big city like Chicago to work a minimum wage job. That said, I have a friend whoâs a server who clears 100k in Chicago. I would think most folks would consider being a server to be a minimum wage / âtippedâ job..
Drycabin1@reddit
3x rent has been a requirement forever.
Xoxitl@reddit
I wish they would raise minimum wages and have laws that the employers canât cut hours Willy-nilly instead of spending money on corrupt homeless initiatives. Pay the workers enough with enough steady hours to be able to pay their own rent or buy their own place.