Second in command
Posted by Winter-Comfort922@reddit | xena | View on Reddit | 17 comments
In Amphipolis Under Seige, Athena refers to Gabrielle as Xena's second-in-command, so my question is, besides this one episode, how many other times has Gabrielle been referred to as that?
IseQween@reddit
In S4 GOOD DAY, Xena effectively designates Gabrielle as second in command, a role she reluctantly accepts only after a reminder from Phlanagus. There are a couple Amazon eps where she's the commander as queen.
Winter-Comfort922@reddit (OP)
Gabrielle is leading the Amazons in those episodes because as a queen, the Amazons' laws dictate that a queen must lead the tribe. And since Xena is technically not an Amazon and not a queen, so therefore she cannot lead an Amazon tribe.
Firm_Introduction937@reddit
Technically but who do you really think is giving out the orders. In endgame that was alll Xena. Every last bit. Xena pretends for Gabrielle’s sake as Queen to let it look like it’s her but we all know it’s Xena giving out all the orders. Xena even starts barking out orders and then says “isn’t that right Gabrielle” only for show . And Gabrielle is scared and says very low “ yes thank you”
IseQween@reddit
I disagree it was all just for show or all Xena. Gabrielle accepts her responsibility as queen to lead regardless of her vow of pacificism and grief about Ephiny. Everybody knows Xena's the real battle strategist, but her "isn't that right, Gabrielle" deference communicates she is still second in command to and derives her authority as a non-Amazon from Gabs. As Xena tells Amarice, she gives and demands respect for Gabs, no matter how much she may want to throw Gabs' peacenik ways against a tree. She's also letting Gabs know she has her back and won't take orders from anyone else. For her part, Gabs has the courage to resist everyone else's instincts for vengeance.
I believe Xena would've let Brutus die from the pinch, had Gabrielle not stopped her and ended up enabling more choices with him alive. Xena orders the "Pompey Q," she knows Gabs wouldn't like but the Amazons are revved for, just as they were for killing Brutus. Once Xena realizes she's got the Brutus option, she frees the Romans from their roasting spits, pointedly telling the Amazons they don't kill unnecessarily in Gabrielle's tribe.
The beauty of their relationship to me is that it's not focused on hierarchy or posturing for others' benefit. They try to work through their different approaches and give each other the benefit of the doubt, usually resulting in a better solution than each simply going her own way. In this case, it was a combination of Gabs' sparing Brutus and Xena knowing how to use that to their advantage.
Firm_Introduction937@reddit
Together …they are working together but if Xena wanted to do something in the battle … best believe they would all follow her. Chilapa even defies Gabrielle to tell Xena to let Brutus die. Even Amarice and the other Amazons don’t want to give up the Pompey Q but they do when Xena tells them to stand down. Yes technically Xena is “second there” but then entire time she is giving out the orders and the amazons would follow her in a second. Gabrielle only appeals to the human side of Xena but if Xena wanted to continue she would bring Gabrielle aside and talk to her and get her to side with her for the need for the strategy and out of respect for Gabrielle. Gabrielle knows she cannot win without Xena and Gabrielle is queen here in title only. She does later on step fully into the shoes as she grows with time. Gabs pacifist arc is her detriment here and she cannot fully enter the role of Queen. Yes she does give Amarice the word slapping and reprimands her asserts herself but it still no where near able to fulfill this role as Queen.
Later on on the series we see “we won’t follow Xena into battle” funny yall had no problems before. But the later amazons tend to follow the rules more but yes that is when Gabrielle steps into her role more as queen. However, Gabrielle’s plan fails and Xena’s wins the battle
Firm_Introduction937@reddit
But I do agree the tend to work well together
IseQween@reddit
Both have the good sense to recognize how the other helps her be her best in difficult situations. Gabrielle's humanity toward Brutus opened up a strategic opportunity. Her primary advisor happens to be an expert military strategist and "the world's best" warrior. They enable the Amazons to survive against huge odds. What greater duty can a queen fulfill? Does it count less, because she used the best resources at her disposal?
Firm_Introduction937@reddit
Her naivety still gives her a huge disadvantage. She has a lot to learn. Which she gets that as time goes on.
IseQween@reddit
As a crone myself, I can't believe I'm defending Gabs' naivete. It drove me nuts, but also opened up opportunities that jaded eyes wouldn't see. "Experienced" folks are often busy listing every reason they've encountered for why something could go wrong. Meanwhile, the "clueless" ones are off trying it anyway because "they don't know any better." Lo and behold, it sometimes works!
The Amazons and Xena were fine with letting Brutus die. They may have considered that -- beyond instant satisfaction of justice -- letting him live could have a negative impact on morale, send a message the queen was weak, give the enemy another chance to do harm. Gabrielle may not have known or cared enough about all that, rather than simply focusing on her principles. Yet she enabled a better outcome than if she'd bent to the more "level-headed" Chilapa or Xena.
I just don't see Gabs, in this situation, as a having a "huge disadvantage," compared to the "wisdom" of "mature" people who may have believed they'd "seen it all" and knew best. I don't see her as "less than" because she also had a lot of experts to listen to and rely on. If she had don't that, then I would call her foolishly naive.
Firm_Introduction937@reddit
Helicon and back gabrielle gives out the initial orders and the last battle plan is all Xena.
Ok-Jackfruit-6873@reddit
Good Day was my first thought too
TheCuri0usWatcher@reddit
She's not explicitly referred to as 2nd in command here but I would count it personally....in "Succession", this is when Ares briefly took interest in Gabrielle & looked at her as a possible rival to "take Xena's place." Someone to sit by Ares side & as the leader of his army. So she would be Ares 2nd in command. He was like [to Xena] "if you wont take it, then who better than the person you trained, who shadowed you & fought by your side?" Something like that.
In Heart of Darkness...Xena says the person who would help her rule hell on Earth, would be Gabby instead of Lucifer because she's her most trusted companion & couldn't trust someone like him who was so easily corrupted. I feel like this counts & Xena acknowledging Gabby as 2nd in command.
I would also include "seeds of faith" where Xena was shocked about the news of Eli & she was like, "I put you in charge, you defended him right?" And the followers started blaming Gabby as well because she was supposed to be in charge.
And I can't remember the episode, maybe "Them bones?" But Gabby went into the spiritual realm to fight Alti & Alti says something lole I was expecting Xena, not Xena's b*tch. Maybe I'm imagining this loosely though? 😅 but I thought she says something like that...implying Gabby is Xena's errands gal or understudy & kinda second in command here in a rude way lol.
IseQween@reddit
As much as I'm a Xena gal, I had to acknowledge Gabs' often unacknowledged leadership in the very first ep. Xena's about to bury who she was, but jumps into the fray when she witnesses Gabs' defiance. She follows Gabs' lead away from a stoning. She lets Gabs guilt her into pulling Gabs up on Argo. She ultimately buys Gabrielle's "that's what friends do" -- make it through trouble ... together.
TheCuri0usWatcher@reddit
Agree. People don't talk about Gabby's growth enough. I really love her arc just as much as Xena's. Even when Xena was apologizing for all she put Gabby through, I think in "Ides of March"? Gabby said "you brought out the best in me" and left it at that, 🥹 so touching.
Xena always saw something in Gabby others didn't immediately see, until they got to know her, & Xena knew Gabby was capable of more than what she thought for herself.
It took Xena awhile to see Gabby's true warrior side & she refused to believe it until after "Succession," but Gabby's heart was just never in it for the thrill of a battle like other warriors. Gabby could totally be a sleeper assassin if she wanted to 😭😭 but morals or whatever LOL. If she loved battle, I honestly could see her eventually rivaling or taking down Xena in a sparring match. Especially after Xena passed on the last bit of knowledge & taught her everything she knew before she died, and Gabby mastered it & put it in practice IN BATTLE, in like a day or 2? Elite 🤌🏽
MusicIsLife81@reddit
In The Price Xena puts Gabrielle in charge of the hospital. I don't know if that counts or not. She tells some of the soldiers to report to Gabrielle and she tells Gabrielle to decide who will live and who will die and to send the dead to the wall because she has a "use" for them....
futafancyfeet@reddit
Even though I don't think that "second-in-command" is ever said, I would still say that this counts. And what a great episode.
MusicIsLife81@reddit
Yes, it was. We get a very touching moment between Xena and Gabrielle where Xena almost confesses her love to Gabrielle, and Gabrielle gets a taste of what Xena really was like in her past. Definitely a great episode for sure.