Ukrainian drones strike Druzhba pipeline station that produces export-grade oil – sources
Posted by Lowered12@reddit | anime_titties | View on Reddit | 128 comments
bachh2@reddit
Right after the new Hungary PM asked Ukraine to resume the transit too.
This is kinda funny in a morbid sense.
With the Druzhba pipeline gone and the loan package already approved, the new Hungary PM have no card to play, and instead gonna have to pay premium for alternatives source. That wouldn't bode well for his term.
imunfair@reddit
Just Ukraine being Ukraine - they pandered to the EU just long enough to get the money approved then screwed them over in return for their help - not the first time, and unless the EU leadership changes not the last time they'll be scammed.
TheBigOof96@reddit
In what way is this surprising? The war has been raging on for 4 years at this point, European countries shifted to other countries for supply years ago with the exception of Hungary and Slovkia. You can't expect a stable supply coming from an active war zone without being a clown and Ukraine attacking Russian oil and gas infrastructure hasn't surprised anyone, it's more of an expectation and has been going on since basically day one of the invasion.
NearABE@reddit
I, for one, am extremely disappointed. The pipelines should have been bombed on day one. Or first day the had the capability. Continuing business as usual while a million young men died is not the right thing to do.
historicusXIII@reddit
Yeah we know, you also wanted (and got) Nordstream bombed.
NearABE@reddit
Indeed. I never saw convincing evidence we were involved though.
goonerladdius@reddit
Some of the commenter's on this sub must not understand this kind of stuff on purpose at this point. Ukraine should apparently hold back when engaged in an active war of self preservation. They also fail to understand that many of us (probably more like most of us) in Europe are OK with the costs that come with fully supporting Ukraine.
historicusXIII@reddit
If you depend on outside support, then yes, you hold back if your benefactors request it. Or don't hold back, but then fight your fight alone.
kwonza@reddit
“Active war of self preservation” doesn’t stop them from embezzling billions of aid money so please stop this nonsense. While regular folks are dying in the trenches, oligarchs on both sides are making money.
ycnz@reddit
Aren't you needed on the front?
Shepherd_of_Ideas@reddit
sure but it would be really nice if the Russian oligarchs stopped the war and go back to making money as they used to in the past (or actually start making life better for the bulk of Russia's population)
kwonza@reddit
Russia was making lots of money through trade with Ukraine, than Orange revolution came and pro-Western folks came to power and started dismantling that partnership
They got voted out by Ukrainian people and businesses started again like before. Then another pro-Western coup took place. Ukrainians in the East who were against it were called terrorists and their houses were bombed.
Protect your investments is Rule 1 of any business
Zlimness@reddit
'Pro-Western coup' huh. And who killed the 108 Ukrainians? Decadent western spies? Berkut had nothing to do with it?
kwonza@reddit
Who stopped the investigation, pray tell me?)
Zlimness@reddit
You mean this non-stopped investation that concluded Yanukovych was ultimately responsible?
kwonza@reddit
Did they name the names of the snipers. You aware that person that was involved in that story lived in Ukraine and was killed last year?
Zlimness@reddit
Well these people guys exactly going to get caught without mask, so no you can't expect to identify them all. That's kind of the point about their job. But they did manage to identify some Berkut officers and they got charged in abstentia. You can never guess where they hid.
Also which guy are you talking about? Could you in general be more specific when you ask me questions all the time? You asked about a stopped investigation without clarifying which. You ask me about a person without saying who.
kwonza@reddit
I was blanking on the guy’s name myself and couldn’t google in the go. I was talking about Parubiy who was killed in Lviv last year.
As for the snipers, they were hitting Berkut too while they were on the streets. So it’s not that clear cut, especially when you consider Gene Sharp’s book and his “sniper in the crowd” tactic
Zlimness@reddit
Right. And the person who murdered Parubiy said he did it for revenge. No connection to anyone or anything else. So what's the significance?
Saying it couldn't possible have been Berkut's own guys because they always turn off friendly fire is not very convincing. Considering how many people who got shot, it's highly likely that there would have been friendly fire.
doctazeus@reddit
Russia very much helped put trump (kransov) in power so they caused the orange revolution. Another Russian self own.
bradicality@reddit
This is highly advanced brainrot and misunderstanding of geopolitics and what words mean and I commend it
kwonza@reddit
Orange revolution took place in 2004 but thanks for your valuable input
goonerladdius@reddit
The mental gymnastics to try to explain how Russia was forced to invade a country is always crazy to see. Ukraine had a change in government brought on by widespread mass protests and Russia has been nothing but aggressive towards them since.
sltn011@reddit
Russian oligarchs are fine making money with war going on - https://united24media.com/latest-news/russian-billionaires-see-wealth-surge-to-record-696-billion-despite-western-sanctions-18179 + https://www.binance.com/en/square/post/315594430792338 So not only are they making more money, amount of rich oligarchs has increased despite everything. Which sucks, cuz it’s more money for them to fuck both russian and ukrainian citizens.
Shepherd_of_Ideas@reddit
Damn! I heard of a few oligarchs who 'commited' suicide. Did not expect their numbers to grow 😨
SuperKiller94@reddit
Someone supporting Russia is complaining about corruption? I’d love to know what source you have for Ukraine “embezzling billions of aid money”.
kwonza@reddit
Google Tymur Mindich. Close friend of Zelenskiy, some even called him “Zelenskiy’s wallet”. Was responsible for deals with energy sector of Ukraine. Implicated as a key figure in an investigation by the US-backed anti-corruption bureau. Zelenskiy went out of his way to protect him going as far as jailing the leading investigator and allowing Mindich to escape to Israel.
goonerladdius@reddit
Even if that unsubstantiated claim were true, which is a huge if, it doesn't justify Russia's war in the slightest, nor does it detract from Ukraine's right to self defence.
kwonza@reddit
I’m not justifying the war here. We are talking about Ukrainian politicians doing underhanded stuff for their own benefit (as is shown in the article OP linked). I’m just giving examples to show why even during the war they (and Russian politicians too) will go out of their way to make money with whatever means are available
goonerladdius@reddit
You are literally parroting Russian state narratives in this comment thread and justifying the war.
kwonza@reddit
I’m sorry the facts don’t fit your narrative, there’s nothing I can do about it. I also fail to see how that is justifying the war which I’m against.
goonerladdius@reddit
"I fail to see how parroting Russian state narratives meant to delegitimize Ukraine's government and justify Russia's invasion of it could be seen as me justifying the invasion." If you were actually against the war this is something you should probably re-examine.
kwonza@reddit
So if I’m against the war I should be quite about rampant corruption spearheaded by Ukrainian president or their long history of human rights violations? What kind of a crazy logic that is?
How about we let Ukraine use chemical weapons and kidnap foreigner citizens while we at it? I mean they are a victim of aggression after all!
Czart@reddit
Both sideing while you're the invader is insane.
kwonza@reddit
So just because Ukraine is getting invaded gives Ukrainian politicians and bureaucrats a carte blanche to steal foreign aid? Is that your logic? Can Lebanon do that too?
Czart@reddit
I get that you're trying to dodge the trenches, but as a muscovite you have absolutely zero ground to criticise anyone else about corruption. Especially since your dear tsar is sheltering the biggest corrupt assholes like yanukovich.
jason_abacabb@reddit
There is a really easy way to prevent people from dying in the trenches. You want to guess what?
kwonza@reddit
Stop the warcrimes in Eastern Ukraine that started in 2014?
TheBigOof96@reddit
It's mainly the same ~5-ish accounts that you see under every single thread mentioning Ukraine, they're not here to understand or exchange ideas as much as they're here just to push their conspiracy theories
goonerladdius@reddit
Ye it's also been going on so long they all honestly sound like a broken record.
imunfair@reddit
That's what happens when pro-UA refuse to be taught and trot out the same tired "winning too slow" arguments to claim their team that's been run ragged is somehow going to outlast the invaders who are in better shape than when they started. The answers to silly questions don't change when you ask them 100 times.
goonerladdius@reddit
Ofc we don't listen when this is the kind of opinion we've come to expect from you. No one actually believes this. The Russian army has certainly evolved and improved across the conflict but to say Russia is in better shape now than when it started shows such a deep lack of knowledge of the conflict I can't believe you seriously thought writing that was a good idea.
imunfair@reddit
Ah you're one of those people who thinks no functional cold weather uniforms and cans of rations full of water rather than staples is on par with factories pumping out multiple hundred gerans per day, efficient logistics, proper gear.
Anyone with an ounce of common sense and objectivity would admit they knocked off the rust and rooted out the corruption - the fact that you're so offended by the idea shows just how deep in the team mentality you are.
I'll sit here and wait for you to toss out your "yeah everything is going well but the Russian economy is secretly undergoing a total collapse that will manifest any day now argument". Yes I know your talking points because as I said we've answered the same old fact-free cheerleading talking points 100 times before.
imunfair@reddit
It isn't surprising, Ukraine routinely backstabs so called "allies" whenever it suits them - even when they're the very donors keeping Ukraine alive. Hungary was one of the few to actually punch back when they did it, and it amazed the Ukrainians because they're used to being treated with kid gloves rather than being saddled with the repercussions of their own actions.
I'm merely laughing at the EU for repeatedly being taken for fools and getting mad at the only country who had any sense. Now the new leader sees the score and looks like a fool compared to Orban.
TheBigOof96@reddit
You seem to be under the impression that Druzhba pipeline is crucial for Europe, which is why your ramblings here have little to do with reality. Again, there was ample time to diversify suppliers as well as plenty of pressure to do so and almost all countries in the EU switched away from Russia years ago. Orban and Fico being either so deep in the pocket of Kremlin or so nearsighted it's almost fascinating, shouldn't act as some sort of insurance for Russia against Ukrainian attacks. If these two were fine with placing their nations and their economies as collateral against Ukrainian defense, then this isn't a story about Ukrainian backstabbing as much as it is a story about Orban's and Fico's loyalties.
imunfair@reddit
Tell me you don't understand how the oil market works without telling me.
Zlimness@reddit
Ukraine did what asked of them; They repaired the part of the pipeline on Ukrainian territory that Russia damaged.
Nobody said Ukraine was going to stop attacking Russia's energy industry. That's a whole other issue.
imunfair@reddit
I don't know why you guys bother with this bad faith argument. Everyone knows the deal was to do what was asked and let the oil flow to the EU states that needed it. Trying to pretend there's some gotcha technicality where they can just destroy it upstream instead is delusional. Ukraine reneged on the deal after the vote passed, pure and simple.
Zlimness@reddit
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0e7lrxrelwo
This is the deal he proposed on stopping attacks against Russia's energy infrastructure.
When did Ukraine promise to stop these attacks if the aid package went through?
imunfair@reddit
Both he and the new Hungary president have mentioned it in relation to the aid package. And Orban mentioned it as blackmail - everyone knew what the situation was, shut down the pipeline and open it as a "reward" for voting the right way. Only Zelensky double-crossed them and tried to have his cake and eat it too.
Zlimness@reddit
Gonna need you to pull out a source on Zelensky saying this. Considering Ukraine's strategy to hit Russia's energy industry has always been entirely independent of the aid package, it sounds highly unlikely Zelensky uttered those words.
imunfair@reddit
You can look back at what he's said since the election, I'm not going to have my time wasted by sealion tactics. None of what I cited was some hidden private conversation.
Zlimness@reddit
So you're just making it up then.
imunfair@reddit
So you're just lazy then. The only other conclusion is that Zelensky has lost control of the army, and that's a far more scary thought than him being his normal duplicitous self.
Zlimness@reddit
The burden of proof is on you, not me.
It took me 10 seconds to find that article where Zelensky talked about the conditions for stopping the attacks on Russian energy sites.
imunfair@reddit
Sealioning will get you nowhere with me.
Zlimness@reddit
You make stuff up and demand that I prove it though. Does that seem logical to you?
imunfair@reddit
I just expect you to be able to follow the current news cycle and basic logic, nothing about this conversation requires additional proof or exceptional reasoning skills. You have to be pretty far up Zelenskys ass to deny that promising to open a pipeline and then bombing it less than a day after you get what you want from your "allies" is a garbage person thing to do. Or, as I said, he's completely lost control of his army.
And given our past conversations I have no expectation that any of your replies are in good faith, so you making sealion type requests will be treated with the respect they deserve.
Zlimness@reddit
Everything you just said is literally white noise. I'll check back in a while to see if you have a proper source next time.
imunfair@reddit
I agree, it's a pretty inexcusable situation. Glad you just gave up trying to make excuses rather than babbling inane shit like the last conversation you lost.
Zlimness@reddit
Have you considered why it's hard to source anything on your statements? Could it perhaps be that you might be under the misapprehension about what's happening? Because it's so obvious you don't know what's going on. The Druzhba pipeline and Ukraine's attack on Russian industry are two entirely separate things.
If you weren't such a useful idiot and actually read the news and checked the facts, you'd know this attack didn't interrupt the oil flows to Hungary and Slovakia https://www.budapesttimes.hu/corporate/crude-shipments-reach-hungary-and-slovakia-again/
imunfair@reddit
Ah another galaxy-brain Ukrainian falling back on the silly argument that it makes sense to "fix" the pipeline in Ukraine then bomb the Russian pumping station feeding it. I love watching pro-Ukrainians make fools of themselves to try to justify Zelensky's actions.
Zlimness@reddit
https://www.budapesttimes.hu/corporate/crude-shipments-reach-hungary-and-slovakia-again/
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/druzhba-oil-flow-slovakia-resumed-early-thursday-slovak-ministry-says-2026-04-23/
https://www.politico.eu/article/druzhba-oil-ukraine-loan-slovakia-hungary-viktor-orban/
https://www.eenews.net/articles/druzhba-oil-flows-resume-clearing-path-for-e90b-ukraine-loan/
https://www.dw.com/en/russian-oil-flows-to-eu-through-ukraine-again/a-76894770
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2026/04/23/druzhba-oil-flow-to-slovakia-resumed-thursday-officials-say-a92580
How do we make this more real for you? How do we make this understandable? I'm at a loss for words here.
imunfair@reddit
Yup oil resumed 12 hours before Ukraine tried to attack the upstream pumping station. How do we make this more real for you? How do we make this understandable? I'm at a loss for words here.
Zlimness@reddit
You do understand that the 21 April attack on the pumping station had _no_ impact on the oil flowing to Hungary and Slovakia again on the 24th right? Because the articles I posted aplenty of were _after_ the attack.
imunfair@reddit
That would be nice logic if the attack actually happened on the 21st and not the 23rd. But hey, don't let facts get in the way of your silly idol attacking his allies supply lines.
Zlimness@reddit
The article OP posted is from April 21st. But the attack was actually on the 23rd? Are we time-travellers now? What are you even on about anymore? Are you high?
imunfair@reddit
The only thing worse than being a backstabber is being an incompetent one and needing multiple attacks to screw your allies.
Zlimness@reddit
Haha ok. Sounds like it's about time to round things off then. Remember to read the articles, get the timelines right and the facts straight. You'll look a lot smarter the next time.
imunfair@reddit
Weird that you think you won the argument because you got confused about how Ukrainian drone attacks work. I would think such a dedicated fanboy would have better awareness, but I guess you're just one of those that worships Zelensky with zero knowledge of what's going on behind the scenes or on the battlefield.
If you're so clueless you should really talk less.
FRIENDLY_FBI_AGENT_@reddit
At this point, it is pretty evident that EU and it's citizen have a fetish of some sort. After being humiliated by Ukraine and Z man so many times, they still are not standing up for themselves. I am not saying they should cut Ukraine off. I'm saying they should clearly tell Ukraine to behave and respect eu rather than pissing on EU evey chance Z man gets.
The leader of Hungery is pro Ukranian and now, doing this is literally spitting in their mouth. Idk where this superiority complex of Ukraine comes from.
Simple_Yam@reddit
That’s not happening because it’d mean admitting that we’ve been giving unconditional economic and military support for 4 years to some crazies that have been detrimental to our stability.
It will happen at some point, but not with the current establishment.
SuperKiller94@reddit
Russia invades a sovereign nation but it’s Ukraine that is detrimental to stability? Ok bud. Russia has shown that they won’t stop doing whatever they want until they are forced to stop.
haggerton@reddit
Pretty rich to call Ukraine "sovereign" when a foreign-supported Nazi coup overthrew a democratic government, then installed another that leaned towards those same foreign interests while banning the opposition.
SuperKiller94@reddit
Just making shit up here
haggerton@reddit
Oh? Which part do you dispute?
That Maidan was foreign-supported?
That a Nazi-led coup overthrew a democratic government when it became apparent that peaceful protests were winding down?
That the installed government was pro-West?
That they banned the opposition from participating in the West-approved "democracy"?
Azzagtot@reddit
What makes you think that Ukraine is sovereign? It's government is literally being paid for by USA.
Source: Statement by Secretary of the Treasury Janet L. Yellen on the Disbursement of U.S. Direct Budget Support for Ukraine
December 30, 2024
Link: https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/jy2764#:\~:text=U.S.%20Department%20of%20the%20Treasury,-Enter%20Search%20Term&text=Yellen%20issued%20the%20following%20statement,Ukrainian%20civilians%20and%20critical%20infrastructure.
Simple_Yam@reddit
Buddy, Russia didn’t blow up Nordstream and Druzhba. Ukraine has been detrimental to our energy stability at every step.
SuperKiller94@reddit
You guys being dependent on the whims of Russia and being stupid enough to decommission nuclear power plants was detrimental to your energy stability. You would think that after Chechnya or Georgia or Crimea you guys would stop and think “I don’t know if it’s really a good idea to rely on this warmongering imperialistic country for a majority of our fuel.” Instead talk just shrugged and said “Oh well”
Czart@reddit
Wow you guys aren't even trying to propagandise, you're just coping it will manifest itself. 3 day SMO really breaking your psyche after year 4 eh?
Simple_Yam@reddit
What are you even talking about lol?
Czart@reddit
You hoping that EU will just "suddenly stop supporting Ukraine" because this ""establishment"" will go away.
Simple_Yam@reddit
Brother your country is the biggest leech and net receiver of funding in the EU, it’s not you that is paying for Ukraine in the end, it’s me.
So when we send €90 billion to a shithole that will embezzle half of it and blow up our energy infrastructure at the same time, it totally makes me want to see them lose the only hand that is keeping their shithole afloat.
Czart@reddit
Your infrastructure? Fascinating because that pipeline is nowhere near where you're pretending to be from ivan.
lewllewllewl@reddit
If Pakistan was invading India, and they had a pipeline through India that was supplying Pakistani oil to Bangladesh, would you expect your country to allow the oil to pass through?
FRIENDLY_FBI_AGENT_@reddit
No but I won't expect my country to lie and bomb assets that are crucial for helping other nations supporting me. If that pipeline was helping bangladesh and Bangladesh was helping me with weapons and other support, I would allow the oil to flow. Its called good will.
MarmotFullofWoe@reddit
The new Hungarian PM is fine.
It’s the new Romanian PM that is the problem.
sarcasmusex@reddit
What's the problem with the Romanian pm? Out of the loop
MarmotFullofWoe@reddit
He’s newly elected and a Russian pawn
AlbertoRossonero@reddit
How is he a Russian pawn?
MarmotFullofWoe@reddit
Sorry I misspoke.
It’s Rumen Radev of Bulgaria that is the problem
AlbertoRossonero@reddit
He gained office like a week ago how is he pro Russian?
MarmotFullofWoe@reddit
Yes
AlbertoRossonero@reddit
How?
MarmotFullofWoe@reddit
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/bulgaria-s-russia-friendly-radev-seals-decisive-election-win/ar-AA21guAl?ocid=TobArticle
New_Breadfruit5664@reddit
He is probably not a 100% aligned with the masters in Berlin and Paris, therefore must be Adolf putler
sarcasmusex@reddit
Wasn't the Russian pawn ousted for election fraud?
bachh2@reddit
I dont know. An energy price crisis atm isn't gonna bode well for anyone.
Good_Nyborg@reddit
I wonder how soon until it's Russia refusing to restart the pipeline, so they can put pressure on the new PM. Have you ever seen a country declared an "unfriendly country" so quickly after an election? Hungary might just be hosed either way.
datNomad@reddit
Debunked fake.
Good_Nyborg@reddit
Not true, see my edit above with it straight from the Kremlin Spokesperson's mouth.
datNomad@reddit
Still fake. Hungary was included in a list of unfriendly countries in 2023. It has nothing to do with recent elections. Your initial take is false. This fake was pushed by Ukranian propaganda outlets. You willingly fell for it.
Sure, when you're lying accuse everyone of being bots. Pathetic.
Lowered12@reddit (OP)
Russia declared all NATO members as "unfriendly countries" except turkey, the news about Russia adding Hungary after elections is just fake news started by Ukrainian media , not sure why to be honest , maybe to make Orban look like pro russian puppet even more or to make Russia loss in elections look bigger.
Good_Nyborg@reddit
Not true, see my edit above with it straight from the Kremlin Spokesperson's mouth.
Lowered12@reddit (OP)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unfriendly_countries_and_territories_list
Based on wikipedia hungary was added already in 2023 and the guardian artictle just says that Peskov said it without giving any quote or proof so its kinda just "trust me"
But still I tried to find any quote of peskov saying that but only found Peskov saying:
So pretty much just they are waiting for now i guess to see how things will end up, but nothing about being added to "unfriendly countries"
GerryAdamsSon@reddit
Hungary was declared unfriendly way back in 2022, nothing changed. That story was debunked
Good_Nyborg@reddit
Not true, see my edit above with it straight from the Kremlin Spokesperson's mouth.
bachh2@reddit
In either case, Hungary is fucked by either Russia or Ukraine then.
Gonna be an interesting term for the new PM.
moonorplanet@reddit
Historically, a lot of countries that the West and especially America has supported in wars have comeback to bite them in the ass. Let's see how Ukraine pans out.
sight_ful@reddit
In this case, america was supporting the previous government, not the current one in Hungary.
Trump has also been clearly supportive of russia, ending sanctions and aid to Ukraine.
bachh2@reddit
Trump is trying dangle a carrot for Russia.
Its main goal is to contain China. And the war push Russia and China closer, and thus making containing China impossible.
Zemledeliye@reddit
Yeah quite silly of Ukraine, they just proved to Hungary that Orban was right.
haggerton@reddit
The word you are looking for is not silly.
robber_goosy@reddit
In about a year another loan will need to be approved.
sarcasmusex@reddit
Right on track with USA plan to make the whole EU and se asia dependent on their oil reserves...at a premium price. Already they are sold on their gas
ChainExtremeus@reddit
Well, the russian pipe on russian territory is a russian problem. Maybe Hungarians should not rely on unstable client. As for Ukraine, their part of the pipeline is operational. They fulfilled the obligation.
MaestroRozen@reddit
Considering that countries that depend on this pipeline are also supplying Ukraine with electricity, it is about to become an Ukrainian problem. Not to mention that with this Ukraine also became an "unstable client" since the world now knows it will renege on its' deals literally day after they get what they want while trying to excuse it on a technicality. This is a short term victory at best, and a much bigger long term loss.
ChainExtremeus@reddit
There is nothing wrong with the deal. All agreements are fufilled. And if those countries really expected you to not fight back against the thug who tries to murder you just because they have deals with the thug, then they are on childish level of ignorance. Depending on terrorists for supplies were their concious choice. More than that, they had years to find alternate sources.
BendicantMias@reddit
It's not a Russian problem, it's Hungary's problem. Russia can just say that since it wasn't them who stopped deliveries but rather Ukraine that blew it up, either Ukraine pays for it to be fixed or Hungary does. Russia has little reason to pander to the new Hungarian leader since he's unfriendly anyway. This would've made a lot more sense to do when Orban was in charge, not now.
fcukou@reddit
Good thing Ukraine doesn't rely on Hungary for its electricity.
Oh wait.
kwonza@reddit
They also buy diesel from Hungary, made from Russian oil
bluecheese2040@reddit
With friends like Russia and Ukraine who needs enemies...
Beat_Saber_Music@reddit
The Ukrainians didn't manage to penetrate the glorious Russian air defence comrades, this is merely Ivan accidentally tossing his cigarette. Mother Russia shoots all Ukrainain drones down and some debris fell on the pipeline station :D
-Standard Russian reply
BendicantMias@reddit
Classic strawman. Literally no one here has said that. Why don't you go back to stupidly trying to argue that nuclear deterrence doesn't matter, and other such hot takes.
blankedblank@reddit
From my perspective as a Russian, the idea that nuclear weapons are a reliable deterrent doesn’t seem entirely convincing. In practice, they mostly represent a kind of mutually destructive option - if you attack us, everyone loses. But it’s hard to imagine any leadership actually using that unless total destruction is already unavoidable.
We have nuclear weapons, but their practical value feels uncertain. Our adversaries still apply pressure and often seem to hold the initiative, likely because they assume that using nuclear weapons would amount to self-destruction and therefore remains unlikely. That, in turn, creates space for them to gradually increase pressure step by step, without seriously expecting a nuclear response at each stage. Even in a scenario of a large-scale NATO attack, with fighter jets over Moscow, I’m not sure Russia would actually resort to nuclear use.
Because of this, I’ve never fully understood the argument that NATO countries would avoid attacking Russia solely because of its nuclear arsenal, or that Russia shouldn’t worry about NATO expansion. Relying on guaranteed mutual destruction as the main safeguard against invasion doesn’t seem entirely convincing to me.
type_E@reddit
Nukes are flashy but that means they only prevent the flashier ideas
bradicality@reddit
Funniest, most original redditor
AutoModerator@reddit
The link you have provided contains keywords for topics associated with an active conflict, and has automatically been flaired accordingly. If the flair was not updated, the link submitter MUST do so. Due to submissions regarding active conflicts generating more contrasting discussion, comments will only be available to users who have set a subreddit user flair, and must strictly comply with subreddit rules. Posters who change the assigned post flair without permission will be temporarily banned. Commenters who violate Reddiquette and civility rules will be summarily banned.
I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns.