[PARTS] ARC FIRE GEN1 $129.99 + $11 shipped. No tax in Texas
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Cheapest I have seen these! Crazy good deal
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chuckisduck@reddit
Great price, no WA, even though they legal š
hitemlow@reddit
South Dakota, a search
Package forwarding service
They are unrelated
anonymousnobody14@reddit
I would love to know more about this. Any recommendations on a forwarding service company?
Acceptable_Put9737@reddit
Fed
rrrice3@reddit
Almost a haiku
onionmorph@reddit
Lol I counted the syllables a couple times myself š¤£
Streetchadd@reddit
God bless you
RocKuch@reddit
I thought they were illegal in WA?
semi-anon-in-Oly@reddit
Hereās the AI slop version: The legal debate surrounding Forced Reset Triggers (FRTs) in Washington centers on how the stateās definitions of "machine gun" and "bump stock" are interpreted by the Attorney Generalās (AG) office, even if the literal text of the law doesn't use the specific term "FRT." The friction usually comes down to three main legal arguments: 1. The Definition of a "Machine Gun" Under RCW 9.41.010, Washington defines a machine gun as any weapon which allows for the discharge of more than one shot with a "single function of the trigger." The manufacturers of FRTs argue that the trigger must technically reset and be pulled again for every shot, meaning it is legally semi-automatic. However, the AGās office typically argues that because the reset is "forced" by the mechanical action of the firearm, the shooter only needs to apply continuous pressure to achieve a high rate of fire. They view this as effectively a "single function" from the perspective of the operatorās intent and physical action. 2. The "Bump Stock" Expansion In 2018, Washington passed RCW 9.41.190, which prohibited bump stocks. The stateās definition of a bump stock is broader than many realize. It includes any device that: ⢠Attaches to a firearm. ⢠Increases the rate of fire of a semi-automatic firearm by utilizing the recoil energy of the firearm. Because FRTs use the cycling of the bolt (driven by recoil or gas energy) to force the trigger forward against the finger, the AGās position is that these triggers utilize the firearm's energy to increase the rate of fire, thereby fitting the state's legal definition of a "bump stock" or "rate-of-fire enhancement." 3. Federal Influence (The ATF Rule) Washingtonās AG often aligns their interpretations with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF). The ATF issued a ruling (2022-1) stating that FRTs are "machineguns" under the National Firearms Act. While state and federal laws are separate, Washingtonās statutes are often interpreted in a way that mirrors federal classifications. If the federal government considers a device a machine gun, the state AG generally maintains that it falls under the stateās existing prohibitions on machine gun parts and "conversion kits." The "Gray Area" The reason you might feel the law doesn't apply is that FRTs operate differently than traditional "auto sears." They do not technically bypass the "one shot per cycle" mechanicsāthey simply accelerate the cycle of the trigger itself. ⢠Pro-FRT Argument: It is a semi-automatic part because the sear must re-engage and the trigger must move for every round fired. ⢠AG Argument: It is a prohibited device because it uses the gun's energy to automate a rapid-fire sequence that is indistinguishable from fully automatic fire in practice. In Washington, the AG's guidance effectively acts as a warning: they intend to prosecute the sale or possession of these items under existing "machine gun" and "bump stock" statutes, leaving it to the courts to decide if that interpretation is a stretch of the law's original intent.
TazBaz@reddit
Fortunately for Washingtonians, that is in fact AI slop.
From RCW 9.41.010 definitions
It explicitly means a stock, not any device.
Likewise, again RCW 9.41.010 definitions-
So, again, requires the trigger be pressed. Notāsingle function of the triggerā as the AI falsely sites
Stop trusting AI.
Theyāre legal in WA as the law is written
Now, I understand the intent of the law is to ban similar devices. But until they update it, the legal letter of the law doesnāt ban them.
semi-anon-in-Oly@reddit
I donāt trust AI just showing the other perspective with it. Iāve also tried ordering them unsuccessfully like the others here despite that they are legal. With our aggressive AG I understand shops not want to get into an expensive battle just to prove their right. Itās unfortunate that the AG can essentially extort businesses to follow their orders because fighting them would be financially ruinous
TazBaz@reddit
I donāt know about this vendor, but AS ships, and I had another vendor who wouldnāt, until I pointed out that AS ships, and then they changed their policy.
TazBaz@reddit
Theyāre legal. Ignore his AI slop, or read it and then read my response and then look up the law yourself.
OAL_is_over_26@reddit
There are so may dealers that refuse to ship to WA when even AS Designs themselves have no problem shipping there.
It's been the same for most of the great v1 deals lately...
Unusual_Specialist@reddit
Optics planet refused to send me a Rearden Atlas because it was being shipped to Washington. Bullshit, man.
No_Leg6630@reddit
First problem was ordering from OP
chuckisduck@reddit
Yes, best deals I cannot get, but was able to get a discount on volume by one dealer. Really can't complain because they work well.
WombatPower69@reddit
I just got mine. I can confirm, mine came with the updated gen 1 safety selectors with the little grooves
No_Leg6630@reddit
Wait. You ordered from this deal?
WombatPower69@reddit
Yeah. I got it fast as fuck boy
No_Leg6630@reddit
Hell no. Are you dead ass? If so Iām about to order right now.
thehighsman0503@reddit (OP)
Dope! Happy cake day
kac_block@reddit
Do these work for non ambi? May be a dumb question sorry
thehighsman0503@reddit (OP)
You have to use the ambi safety it comes with
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phenryiv@reddit
I got the Freedom10 code to work. Was $126 shipped for me.
Braind0n0r86@reddit
Cant seem to purchase one.
Dang... thats what i get for sleeping.
TrptJim@reddit
Back in stock today and the Freedom10 10% coupon works. Totaled $126.94 shipped for me.
saltexas18@reddit
Still in stock. Just snagged two. Donāt buy from the Reddit link. I had to open in safari off the app and it worked.
Braind0n0r86@reddit
Thank you so much!
onionmorph@reddit
Wow, really good price. I have 3 of these and I paid $225 at release for 2 of them š
If this isn't the "v1.2" that has the grip cutouts on the selectors, I'd almost go ahead and factor in the \~$30 for the milspec selectors as part of the price if you're going to buy this..
The original selectors are so slick that I hated using them when released and would almost say they're a liability if the rifle was ever used in a "non flat range" situation.
CallMeShwayze@reddit
Dremel go brrrrrrr
SomeRequirement6926@reddit
Datum Machine Works has entered the chatĀ
TacticalGarand44@reddit
He doesn't make ARC-Fire selectors.
SomeRequirement6926@reddit
Was worth checking...
thehighsman0503@reddit (OP)
Do they have any compatible with the arc?
TacticalGarand44@reddit
No.
SomeRequirement6926@reddit
Dunno but worth checkingĀ
GrouchTheMongolian@reddit
yep or any type of "water resistant" grip tape if you dont want to go that frankenstein route
BMF300winmag@reddit
I like the original levers, they fit the aesthetic of a low of cool looking builds
Glad there is a mil-spec version/ upgrade I have those on my favorite rifle
Ok_Prize_5130@reddit
Is this all I need to buy and install in the rifle? Still somewhat green with frt knowledge.
Ok_Advertising5829@reddit
H3 DEADBLOW buffer. Donāt get the solid h3 buffers. Will not run without
hitemlow@reddit
They can also use a BCM MK2 T2 buffer if they have an A5-length system.
EastSideJellyDonuts@reddit
You also might try to find an AR9 buffer (like the Aero Precision) that is the same length as an A5 buffer and see if that works for you.
Stein1071@reddit
I have tried everything with my AR9 and cannot get it to cycle reliably with this trigger. I had an 80% lower that I milled and it wouldn't work in it so I even went so far as to get a spec lower and I still can't get it to work. It resets (obviously) but the disconnect doesn't disconnect. I work 12hrs/day 7days/week on 3rd shift so I only have time to try one thing and run to my range to test before I have to sleep but it's very frustrating because I feel like I should trip over the answer and haven't. I've even gone so far as to make my own trigger and disconnect trying different dimensions on things
EastSideJellyDonuts@reddit
Check out some of blowback9's videos on Youtube. He is very thorough about how and what seems to work together on a blowback 9mm AR platform.
Stein1071@reddit
I'll check it out. Thanks!
Ok_Advertising5829@reddit
Yes the BCM MK2 T2 is 5.6oz, same as the H3(5.6oz). VLTORA5(same system as BCM) and JPSCS(H3) also will work. Also depends on the individual fire arm and gassing what weight will run best. For most milspec rifles however h3 will work
hitemlow@reddit
I recently found out the A5 has a worse bias spring than the MK2.
EastSideJellyDonuts@reddit
??? wut ???
The BCM MK2 is just an A5H2 buffer that BCM rebranded to make it sound like they had invented something new. A5 is the generic name for the 7.75 inch buffer tube that was formerly used in the Armalite .308 AR10 firearms with an AR15 size buffer rather than the smaller DPMS size .308 buffer with the standard length 7.25 inch buffer tube. I could be wrong somewhere but then again all those details are just straight off the top of my head too.
hitemlow@reddit
There's a bias spring inside the buffer.
The bias spring design inside the MK2 buffer is a more robust system with a larger spring than that found in the A5 buffer.
I can't link to the photo because AutoModerator got all pissy. https://old.reddit.com/r/ar15/comments/1k4igo6/evidencebased_hot_take_the_biasing_spring_in/
TazBaz@reddit
Highly depends on your gun.
I have a 16ā with a standard carbine buffer.
Put in a SS (not arc-fire, but mechanically whatās the difference?)
Iāve only put about 4 mags through it but it was flawless. I still need to do more testing for proper ejection force to limit excessive wear, but in terms of function, it ran perfectly.
Ok_Prize_5130@reddit
Right on, I appreciate it. You know of any solid install videos? My stepdad also wants one for his stag but doesnāt do much firearm tinkering.
EastSideJellyDonuts@reddit
https://tromix.com/?s=buffer&post_type=product
His prices went up a touch but these are still a better buy that the tungsten ones and they weigh the same.
SomeRequirement6926@reddit
Would you still want a heavier spring with one of these too?
EastSideJellyDonuts@reddit
You also might look at UPC 706612407809 on gun(dot)deals or your other websites to see if that would work in your system. the weight appears to be the same but its not a deadblow system like the tromix one is.
TazBaz@reddit
Depends on your gun. Try it as is, and see how it works. I put in a standard SS in my 16ā carbine, it worked flawlessly for the 4 mags Iāve put through it. Now, I haven't followed up with testing/tuning for proper recoil force to limit excessive wear and tear, but in terms of normal function, it was flawless.
Put it in, see how it runs, then look up some videos on tuning if you have issues or just want to ensure long term reliability.
Ok_Prize_5130@reddit
Perfect thank you sir
hornymonk6969@reddit
What the difference between Gen 1 and 2?
onionmorph@reddit
Gen 1 is a classic 90/180 degree throw like you see on traditional AR15 setups.
Gen2 has a couple different throw options that fit (for example) the HK platforms a little better, IIRC a 30/60 throw, a 45/90 throw and a 45/180 throw.
ASD also says the gen2 has improved geometry for the cam that should be more robust, but I haven't seen the cam really be a failure point on anybody's gen1 ARC-Fire.
TL;DR: If you just want this for a bare-bones AR15, I'd recommend just getting the gen1 from CombatArmory for this price - lowest I've seen.
GodGunCountry@reddit
Which one is the best for mp5?
Thansungst22@reddit
If you have their AS Lower you can just use v1 which is this one
But if you want one specifically for the OEM MP5 lower they're releasing one for that soon in June or July iirc
Franklin_Pierce@reddit
This one.
https://activesafetydesigns.com/mp5/arhk/
ASD is releasing it later this year.
Euphoric911@reddit
Not sure if its just a one-off, but I didnt need to trim my BCM upper for the V2 90-180 non-ambi
muffinman1604@reddit
Copied from ASD:
V2 DIFFERENCES - DIFFERENT SELECTOR ORIENTATIONS AVAILABLE
SMOOTHER DETENT TRACK
LARGER CAM SURFACES
COMES STOCK WITH MILSPEC SELECTORS
In addition, I believe V2 needs less rearward travel of the lever to reset.
MaterialPotato3214@reddit
Back in stock bois. Just got mine ordered
Cool_Aioli_6910@reddit
Anyone getting card declined when processing?
thehighsman0503@reddit (OP)
I had to put my middle initial. It needs to e name to be exact apparently
DLA57@reddit
Are these out of stock now?
thehighsman0503@reddit (OP)
Open in default browser and it still works, donāt use the reddit
DLA57@reddit
It worked! You da man!
thehighsman0503@reddit (OP)
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thehighsman0503@reddit (OP)
They gone
Braind0n0r86@reddit
Theyre all gone.
thehighsman0503@reddit (OP)
Still showing in stock for me
Braind0n0r86@reddit
Weird. They dont show up in my cart. So I cant check out.
I have one of these ARC fires in my LWRC AR and they work amazing. Id love to have another one.
thehighsman0503@reddit (OP)
Open in default browser and it lets you add to cart AND check out! They are still available!
thehighsman0503@reddit (OP)
Yeah I tried again and it is indeed gone
DLA57@reddit
When u add to cart it shows as empty
thehighsman0503@reddit (OP)
Bot oos
saltexas18@reddit
I just bought two. Let me check out. I even got an email verification.
thehighsman0503@reddit (OP)
Oh man you are right. It just doesnāt work when you go through Reddit, open in your default browser and it works! Removing the oos noti
saltexas18@reddit
Yes! Exactly! Itās fucking weird. I always just tinker around on Reddit like adding shipping cost. It seemed to work but not checking out. So I opened in safari and worked! Still in stock lol
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Braind0n0r86@reddit
Theyre deleting comments theyre not showing up in carts when trying to purchase?
atthemattin@reddit
What's the difference between the v1 and v2?
dicklibby@reddit
Got 3 from arsenal last week for $388. Wonder if itāll get cheaper than that
JucheSuperSoldier01@reddit
Do these require fitting for it to actually run?
broncodestroyer@reddit
In my 10ā 300blk I didnāt have to change a thing once installed, even though I had an h3 buffer anticipating Iād need to use it. Iām also suppressed and running subs. Rate of fire is perfect and didnāt even need to adjust gas block.
thehighsman0503@reddit (OP)
Mine just needed a heavy buffer.
In my 9mm banshee I have a kenshot hydraulic buffer and it runs like a champ in it too.
ExistingClient8148@reddit
Freedom10 is 10% off
EastSideJellyDonuts@reddit
That code doesn't seem to be working on mine. Does it only work on new accounts?
Co_Stang@reddit
It did work for me last night
ExistingClient8148@reddit
Hmmm no clue it worked for me earlier maybe it got shut down
EastSideJellyDonuts@reddit
Bummer. Did you order yesterday?
ExistingClient8148@reddit
i ordered 1230am est today
thehighsman0503@reddit (OP)
Damn! Wish I had seen that
EastSideJellyDonuts@reddit
Looks like buying two to get 5% off applies automatically so I can't really complain, but then again this is gundeals. lol.
Fuck-Mountain@reddit
Woah mama that's a good price
flyer_kaz@reddit
So these are Gen 1ās correct? Just making sure because Iām looking for a FRT that I can have a 45-90 selector.
thehighsman0503@reddit (OP)
Gen 1 is 90/180
flyer_kaz@reddit
No I know but Iām asking if these ones listed are Gen 1s or Gen 2ās
thehighsman0503@reddit (OP)
Gen 1 homie. Itās in the title
flyer_kaz@reddit
Oh shit⦠derp. š¤¦š¼āāļøš.
DoctorVepr@reddit
Still the best frt for the coin
MandoUnbanned@reddit
If i already have a rifle with a push-button Hoffman super safety (trigger springs amd buffer weigt) that works both suppressed and unsuppressed, should this be as simple as switching it out?
DoctorVepr@reddit
Should, you can even use your Hoffman style trigger if you prefer. The safety will be a little different
JerseyNox@reddit
In for 1, been watching in a solid affordable brrrrt for my PSArrrrrrt15.
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