Federal Surveillance Tech Becomes Mandatory in New Cars by 2027
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Recently saw this in the news. Have any car brands announced this as in the works for 2027? Thoughts?
Novel-Natural7050@reddit
Does anyone have the name of this bill?
Rough-Bison5002@reddit
So if the camera goes out I can't drive my car? Will we need to connect our cars to WiFi to update? What if I'm driving for a medical emergency? Shit, what if there's a bad storm I'm driving through and I'm nervous or anxious and that sets off the Killswitch and I get swept away in a flood? This shit is going to cause so many problems.
I garuntee you everything you do that's not deemed "acceptable driving" according to the AI will get relayed to your insurance. It's a way to gather our data and invade our personal lives. We won't be able to have honest and personal conversations in our cars anymore.
Sensitive_Box_@reddit
(That's almost all of them, that's unbelievable.)
Also,
What if its farmer John driving across his (private property) farm after a beer?
What if friends are out camping and there's an emergency after a single beer?
What about false positives?!
Professional_Dot7128@reddit
What about duct tape?!
franksandbeans911@reddit
Throws a critical error to the ignition system. See how easy it is to design draconian systems in the name of safety, throwing critical thought out the window?
Professional_Dot7128@reddit
If that's the case I'll never buy a new car again. I got 2 paid off, I'm good lol
franksandbeans911@reddit
Good luck with parts. Some youtubers that do restorations are basically giving up because parts quality is so low, you don't even know if a new part replacement is even built to match for classic cars. Take good care of what you have.
DriftableCheetah@reddit
i mean sure for 80s vehicles, plenty of parts in circulation for 2010-2026 cars
Realtrain@reddit
Got me curious so I looked it up, the US has about 40,000 motor vehicle deaths per year.
Sensitive_Box_@reddit
I was specifically talking about drunk driving deaths. It was like 9-12k per year.
b88b15@reddit
I wonder if that's an accurate number or inflated by cops and alcohol crusaders who want the problem to be big so they appear important.
NeutralGeneric@reddit
So what if you’re Asian? Is it gonna think you’re sleeping all the time?
MustBeConfused21@reddit
This sounds terrible
avoidhugeships@reddit
It is and the false positives will leave people stranded.
OddSand7870@reddit
And as soon as someone is stranded there will be a class action.
endigochild@reddit
That's because "THEY" are everywhere n control all agencies. Heck, they even own many car manufacturer's.
jiggajawn@reddit
Also it's just more shit to break and repair and raise insurance prices
avoidhugeships@reddit
There was a recent push to repeal this in Congress but it failed.
TulsaOUfan@reddit
I have a low tech 2008 Honda.
I'll keep maintaining and repairing this vehicle until I die or can't.
Fuck this Big Brother Fascism that's taken over my beloved USA.
salsafresca_1297@reddit
Problems are problems even if they don't affect you personally. Rights are rights even if you're not the one currently being deprived of them. We all need to be fighting this, regardless of what old car we're driving.
TulsaOUfan@reddit
Absolutely agree.
My vehicle is one thing I do to resist. Reflective tape on my license plate is another. I've also been mostly cash only (I have a digital checking account for direct deposits, but no banks - after paying bills, it all comes out in cash) for a decade.
Mamakat12@reddit
Yep, my 2007 corolla is with me til I die
namegoeswhere@reddit
Yep, now it looks like my 2011 is probably the newest car I’ll ever own.
Got a 2026 Outback as my latest fleet vehicle… I fucking hate all the nannies. Can’t look out the window, can’t take a sip of coffee, can’t even mess with the infotainment screen without the thing beeping about “keep your eyes on the road!”
There’s also some fucking option for it to scan my face to create a driver profile. Fuck that all the way off.
Lawdoc1@reddit
JFC, that sounds horrible.
pocketIent@reddit
JFK was killed in a car
Mobile_Syllabub6044@reddit
I have a 2016 CRV with 37k miles. Looks showroom new. Been paid off for years. I love it and am keeping it.
Fanantic8099@reddit
Electrical tape over the camera lens.
JeffT417@reddit
Turn all that stuff off and it will stay off. Thankfully Subaru allows for persistent settings unlike some other manufacturers that turn all nannies back on after an ignition cycle.
stupidber@reddit
Thats what they tell you
endigochild@reddit
You haven't seen anything yet. This country will be unrecognizable in a few years. Don't think for a sec they'll try to ban car ownership all together. You don't own your car even if it's paid off w title in hand. It's still property of the State just like people homes. The real title called the MCO is held by the manufacturer. The real deed to ones home is owned by the US Corporation, just like you were born into with your all CAPS name on your birth cert.
So technically, they can legally take all your assets to say they need it pay down the trillions in US debt they created using Fed Res ponzi scheme. Society isn't ready to hear that story.
Shrikecorp@reddit
This sounds like a lot of profit for a lot of people. New system that costs quite a bit x ~16m+ cars sold...instant multibillion dollar industry.
Dachshand@reddit
This shit would never fly under our EU privacy laws.
RacerM53@reddit
Just don't type mean things online lol
eirexe@reddit
Yes it would... GSR2 is adding similar things to EU cars
L0rdInquisit0r@reddit
You need a car here bout govt and insurance seem intent of reducing people who drive and punishing those that do.
Training-Expert5598@reddit
Won't fly under the US Constitution, either. But it can't be challenged until somebody has been harmed by it and has both the money and time to fight it through to the Supreme Court.
Holiday_Albatross441@reddit
Ah, but Muh Interstate Commerce.
eirexe@reddit
Most automakers already have it in the works as the EU has already announced similar harsher measures.
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Chrodesk@reddit
it will never happen as described. Its why NHTSA has not issued any rules so far, because its pure congressional fantasy with no reality.
With that said, any car with lvl 2 driving already has the fatigue/attention monitoring.
kaytin911@reddit
Only because the current administration is against it.
theaviationhistorian@reddit
Tbh, most Congressional reps throughout the political spectrum are terrible when it comes to understanding any machine or engineering marvel.
rental_car_fast@reddit
some of those guys still havent learned how to send email
Speedy_SpeedBoi@reddit
Prolly the same reason US data privacy laws are absolutely shit too. And cus our reps dont listen to actual experts, just lobbyists.
No_Contact_7223@reddit
Well the lobbyists are friends with the people that give them money(if not the lobbyists just paying them off directly) of course they are going to listen to them and not the literal SPECIALISTS who have spent most of their lives investigating and researching and studying the specific thing they are being asked to talk about and inform them of the truth of all of these things they want to put into motion that will “help” us.
We all know how and why bills get put into motion and it’s money nothing else.
Ps. I guess sometimes bills get passed to also get them re-elected and make it harder to vote, but that’s the ONLY other reasons (;
franksandbeans911@reddit
As a congresscritter, how else are you supposed to get rich, listening to eggheads on boring topics? Nah lobbyist cash and vacations are more fun.
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3rdreprieve@reddit
It happened with guns, it happened with trains, and it looks like it’ll happen with cars as well.
iamtehstig@reddit
My last 3 cars have had attention and it's annoying as shit.
It often alerts and tells me to keep my hand on the wheel when I never took my hand off.
Chrodesk@reddit
aye, its too bad. Mine lane keeping assist is so stupid I have to turn it off entirely, it chirps at me if Im driving on a straight road. because they think Im going to try to use it as self driving (which would work for about 3.4seconds)
CortaCircuit@reddit
We are loosing all freedoms and most people don't give a shit.
Sensitive_Box_@reddit
tHeY HaVE nOtHiNg To hIDe
AndroidMyAndroid@reddit
"Your Social Credit Score has dropped below 700 - if it falls below 650, your beer rations will be decreased"
ThuhGreatCommenter@reddit
They should make a Black Mirror episode about this
AndroidMyAndroid@reddit
This is already a system in place in China.
BraveFencerMusashi@reddit
This is why they lifted the ban on moonshine
Thee_Sinner@reddit
They didn’t, as far as I’ve seen, all that changed is you’re now allowed to be licensed if you don’t have a business. You’re still not allowed to just run a still for yourself, Uncle Sam still wants his cut.
MidnightMath@reddit
Good think I drink vodka
FrictionJuicebag@reddit
What little power over government stuffs we have as individuals is used flippantly here in the usa
jameson71@reddit
But we have eliminated men’s bathrooms so we have that going for us.
TeflonDonatello@reddit
*losing
It’s 2026 bro no excuse to not know the difference.
MakeGovtObsolete@reddit
We are letting our freedom get loose.
TeflonDonatello@reddit
People can’t spell or know the difference between “their, there, they’re” gonna have their freedom’s butt spit in.
Thee_Sinner@reddit
Gonna loose my mind.
And by that, I mean I’m going to launch it via a bow.
Loltoor@reddit
Meanwhile people don’t even realize UAP/UFOs are real and confirmed by the Pentagon.
shugokibrokenlmao@reddit
unidentified flying objects are real??? no way! the government confirmed that sometimes people report stuff flying in the air and don’t know what it is??
Vaktrus@reddit
I have $10,000,000 in my bank account, confirmed by me.
trolllord45@reddit
What’s that got to do with the fact that the billionaire class is walking all over us?
Loltoor@reddit
You sound depressed
trolllord45@reddit
You sound like someone who doesn’t give a shit about loosing all freedoms.
Dachshand@reddit
Land of the freeeeeeee!
rental_car_fast@reddit
I think most people give a shit. The problem is that there isn't shit we can do about it.
kaytin911@reddit
Thank voters for voting for "big government is back!"
hoch_@reddit
Sensationalist article. This requires automakers to detect a BAC above the legal limit through sensors, but sets no methods or standards and leaves it up to the manufacturers.
This is simply not possible with any level of accuracy, so the manufacturers will spend millions (possibly the point) to develop the best possible solution which will be far from the desired outcome. Deadline will be pushed back or requirements less strict before the deadline is reached, unless some significant technical innovation is achieved and can somehow be implemented in vehicles which typically have a very long development cycle.
Bassracerx@reddit
Yeah its a minefield. What happens if someone does drink and drive and the car doesn’t interfere? Does the automaker get sued for failing to turn off the car? This will likely be challenged in court. You cant mandate a technology that doesn’t even exist yet.
Weak-Tourist-1493@reddit
What if you wear sunglasses? Would the sensors still work? Would you still be able to drive with them on?
wikihowtoswim@reddit
Of course the personal injury attorneys are already thinking about how this could affect future crash claims: https://www.jagrooplaw.com/by-2027-federal-law-could-let-your-car-decide-if-youre-allowed-to-drive/
fromthewindyplace@reddit
California mandated micro stamping on handgun firing pins a few years back. That technology still doesn’t exist in the way they thought it did.
SalvageCorveteCont@reddit
Be fair to them, Hollywood 'invented' this technology for a Western about 50 years ago, so people think we've had it for about 150 years.
franksandbeans911@reddit
So their next genius solution is to stamp serial numbers onto the casings...which anyone can "police their brass" and not leave behind. Dumb solutions for dumb problems.
TrucksAndCigars@reddit
Revolutionary technology defeated in two seconds by a drill and a piece of 80 grit
caterham09@reddit
Also I installed and serviced ignition interlocks for a time during covid. They are garbage, even the new ones. Shit like baked goods or fruit will set them off inadvertently. They also need to be calibrated every 2ish months. It's no where near up to snuff for mass production
theaviationhistorian@reddit
A while ago I bought two breathalyzers for the shits and giggles. I thought it one would be a funny party trick qhile ensuring no one drove home drunk. One of the was busted on arrival and the other one seemed to have been badly calibrated after a few tries.
It turns out that it is usual for breathalyzer to be broken or decalibrated to where you have to send it back to the manufacturer for calibration (as you stated). So now I wonder just how reliable those things are and if they are like polygraph tests?
UngovernableOatmeal@reddit
IIRC this is why roadside breathalyzers are inadmissible in court. only the ones at the station are
FalconTurbo@reddit
That's why the roadside ones here are used as an indication, at which point you can either take the ticket then and there (and walk home) or get tested back at the station, which usually reads higher anyway.
Sad-Offer8857@reddit
What are you talking about taking a ticket? Your going straight to jail if you’re drinking and driving.
derprunner@reddit
Quick reminder that reddit is a global platform.
Kevin_Wolf@reddit
Tell that to states like Wisconsin. First offense is a $300 fine and a 6 month license suspension.
stupidber@reddit
Straight to jail
Jabbles22@reddit
For a while in the early 2000s many bars in my area had a breathalyzer machine. It cost $2 to use it but I never bothered. They are no longer around. I suspect due to improper results and the liability that comes with that.
Kevin_Wolf@reddit
That seems like it's just inviting a pattern overserving case from a state liquor board. In places I've lived, the liquor boards actually keep track of which bars get the most DUIs. A pattern of overserving can lead to the bar being shut down entirely, and I feel like it would be easier to show that pattern by just referencing the BAC High Score machine they installed.
Proper_Speaker9662@reddit
I read local police reports a lot. Almost every DUI arrest has another charge for “tampering with ignition interlock device”. They had the interlock and just disabled it. People do it all the time so why expand this so much when it doesn’t even work? Politicians are dangerous and harmful.
OppositeRock4217@reddit
While many innocent people are gonna be left stranded when system malfunctions
caterham09@reddit
In my experience people didn't really mess with them often. They are very easy to bypass, but as soon as you go in for service you'd be caught and reported.
Proper_Speaker9662@reddit
I’ve never messed with one, never even seen one actually. But I see this charge all the time on dui arrests.
Exadory@reddit
What happens if someone is in the way to the hospital out of cell service so they can’t call an ambulance and driving someone that’s in the backseat having a heart attack and the car decides the driver is impaired and won’t let them drive. So the person dies in because the car was wrong.
akrisd0@reddit
Yes you can. California did it with mandatory microstamping to call a gun "safe" to sell in their state. Went through several courts and it was found that even though the technology didn't exist or was impossible to implement, it was still valid law.
TehSvenn@reddit
My issue is less whether they'll succeed, but that the government is trying. It's a damned slippery slope.
tiki-151@reddit
And this is supposed to make me feel better about it?
boostedb1mmer@reddit
How is this sensationalist? It's literally law. The fact the government is too stupid to understand that the tech doesn't exist doesn't change the fact they've made it a requirement. Dumbfuck, bullshit laws is the government's specialty. Especially when it comes to mandating safety requirements on dangerous items. By nature they're dangerous and they should be treated as such by the people them. These laws and techs just provide false sense of security that are making drivers worse at actually driving.
aaronhayes26@reddit
Okay but that’s like the entire point of passing the law with 5 years of notice?
This is like complaining that Kennedy didn’t know that moon landing tech didn’t exist when he made his moon speech in 1962.
samdtho@reddit
The specific mandate of “going to the moon” wasn’t a legal one.
DavidSpy@reddit
The language of the article is sensationalist. It’s basically a glorified Reddit comment posing as journalism.
The_ApolloAffair@reddit
This is primarily an example of how stupid omnibus bills are. Some lobbyist convicted a congressman to add this to the bill, and nobody cares enough to have a vote on removing it so they passed it anyway.
zummit@reddit
I didn't know they had that much power.
flGovEmployee@reddit
Freudian slip about how both the lobbyist and the congressman are criminals.
RiftHunter4@reddit
In the era of data collection and surveillance, I would not assume that this will blow over. Multiple manufacturers have been caught selling driver data to insurance companies and far too many of them have been involved with US politics.
I would not trust them one second on this. They will sell you down the drain if needed. They already have done so before.
Crocs_n_Glocks@reddit
Did you read the article?
They are going to have to spend hundreds of dollars per vehicle to create technology that doesn't exist. The manufacturers can't make money doing that, so they're just as likely to "fight back against having to spend money on customer safety" as they are to sell data. You can generally trust them to seek profit at any cost and want less government oversight.
hoch_@reddit
I fully agree. However, the issue here is the technology as opposed to data. There is no way to measure the driver's BAC without at least a breathalyzer as of yet.
This law allows manufacturers (not insurance - unless you allow your driving information to be sent to your insurance) to acquire data on tiredness, distraction, anger, and one or two very clearly defined things. Every individual manufacturer is at their discretion to disclose this data, as long as they deem it to be indicative of an impaired driver as spelled out previously.
Most require an opt-in or opt-out upon purchase of a new car, though I cannot speak as to second hand purchases.
hoopaholik91@reddit
Yup, same thing I said the last time it was posted: backup cameras are also technically "federal surveillance" under the definition this article uses
andrewia@reddit
Not to mention that manufacturers are now getting sued over data sales to insurance companies. Most will be very shy about trying again in the future.
andrewia@reddit
Yep, this won't be implemented with the current trajectory. NHTSA has basically said it's stupid and not doable with current technology . https://www.reddit.com/r/Environmental_Careers/comments/1ss2tuh/comment/ohk20ly/?context=3
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giant_space_possum@reddit
Doesn't AI need Internet access to run? So you'll drive out to the middle of nowhere outside of cell reception and not be able to start your car to get back? Or it might even just shut down as soon as you lose reception? I drive through a couple of big dead zones on my regular daily commute.
Legal-Swordfish-1893@reddit
No it absolutely does not. There can be a local model in ROM.
giant_space_possum@reddit
Interesting. I did not know that. Would that take expensive hardware though?
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Nervous-Tour-884@reddit
More shit making cars unaffordable. There is no denying cars have become safer over time, but there is also now thousands of dollars in saftey equipment making them unaffordable.
You probably could remove all the airbags and costly expensive saftey equipment from modern cars, go with seat belts and basic improved structural engineering, and still have a car that is safer than most made 15 years ago that included all of those expensive pieces.
sinuendo@reddit
What about motorcycles?
Stunning_Donkey_ou81@reddit
My newest vehicle is a 2007. :)
ROEdkill820@reddit
We need to have single subject bills. Thus was added to a bill with different objectives.
Stop supporting ai, the rich, corporations, insurance huslters and a government that is paid off by all 4.
Thatredfox78@reddit
GitHub script when?
ChrisPnCrunchy@reddit
Just making America great y’all 🙂🔫
DGJett@reddit
Kinda wild. Your car snitching on you to the feds by default starting 2027
Familiar_Fee_7891@reddit
I can’t find this function on my 1968 Camaro.
BraveFencerMusashi@reddit
And people that I was "settling" for a base Mustang GT. The lack of tech is a feature
Busterlimes@reddit
Oh look, another reason not to buy new cars.
morkielover2022@reddit
Damn, another reason to keep my old 2014 running forever. No data collection, no tracking, just a key and an engine.
sleepy-architect@reddit
How is this any different than existing mechanisms in cars with hands-free driving or similar features?
xdr01@reddit
Was considering selling my manual gassers for a EV, now will not.
McGlowSticks@reddit
older ev. Ez.
ztman@reddit
Do most drunk drivers drive new vehicles or 00s Dodge's?
nolongerbanned99@reddit
My Subaru already monitors alertness and gives warnings. How would it check for sobriety ‘monitors driver alertness and sobriety’
valsalva_manoeuvre@reddit
I bet this will be "AI-based". We all know just how effective AI is at absolutely everything.
yeetusDAfeetus333@reddit
Can't wait for the feds to remotely shut off my car because we criticized the government
C7s_and_C3s@reddit
Fake
avoidhugeships@reddit
It weird how there is such a push to deny this on reddit. It's a law passed by Congress and to be implemented by the NHTSA.
C7s_and_C3s@reddit
Weird how you can’t understand how government works. Had not been passed by anyone yet or made law yet.
shugokibrokenlmao@reddit
it literally has been passed, feel free to use the safari app, that’s what it’s there for. you’re obviously arrogant but are you willfully ignorant or just stupid?
sc0lm00@reddit
Text - H.R.6704 - 119th Congress (2025-2026): Drunk Driving Prevention and Enforcement Act of 2025 | Congress.gov | Library of Congress https://share.google/XrRYU5UhlMQ4R3znz
Shh it's obviously fake news. Probably woke too.
fiddlythingsATX@reddit
H.R.6704 - 119th Congress hasn't even passed the House yet.
tyrannosaurus_r@reddit
…that bill didn’t pass into law. It was just introduced in December. It hasn’t even had a hearing.
Optical_reality@reddit
can someone explain me what this means I don’t understand
byteminer@reddit
Your car will be required to turn off if you are drunk.
The only way to currently do that is a breathalyzer ignition interlock.
Optical_reality@reddit
I don’t even drink.
Illbe10-7@reddit
Doesn't matter. If it thinks you are too tired- sorry no car for you.
Optical_reality@reddit
huh?
SoyMurcielago@reddit
Exactly what it sounds like
If the car computer, now integrated with FordAI or some such believes you to be impaired regardless of actuality you ain’t going nowhere and possibly have the authorities notified in addition to a disabling of the vehicle.
shugokibrokenlmao@reddit
dystopian shit lmao
Optical_reality@reddit
darn, I lost my thought
Beltheadric@reddit
If you don’t think your phone is a much more powerful surveillance device than your car I don’t know what else to tell you.
xXNodensXx@reddit
Well, looks like I won't be buying a new car ever again...
ConverseHydra@reddit
What about removing the fuse for the sensors?
themolenator617@reddit
Used car market is about to explode
franksandbeans911@reddit
It has been exploding since Covid. Cooled off this year just to catch fire again. Feel bad for any high school kids trying to get a decent first car for a reasonable price.
Upside: leased in 2020, lease ended in 2023 but the calculations for residual value had been thrown off so unexpectedly, I had equity in it, so I kept it with a cheap loan. I'm still right-side up on it which is usually unheard of under normal conditions.
thetimechaser@reddit
If your car has connected services you already have federal surveillance tech in your cars tbh
Lipstickquid@reddit
Just a few more steps until they reach their endgame: say(or think) something bad about those in power, the car will lock you in and drive you straight to the detention center.
Vesuvias@reddit
Oh cool, so I’ll be buying and fixing cars from 2016 and back forever. Yep.
arcticrobot@reddit
Nice. My 2016 Tacoma with drum brakes and leaf springs suddenly became an appreciating asset.
Naytosan@reddit
Privacy, like security, is now an illusion
Professional_Dot7128@reddit
Always has been
Skullllz@reddit
It doesn’t matter, we will know where all the cameras are and where all the listening devices are and will disable them. This crap will be blocked
doktormane@reddit
Your insurer may void your policy if you disable safety equipment....
Professional_Dot7128@reddit
Welp..
Kidcharlamagne89d@reddit
What if they start going after places that do what you say, like the diesel shops removing standard equipment?
Idk if this will ever actually be in cars, but if it does end up in them I would look at current examples of how the government would try and stop the removal of the devices.
porkyfly@reddit
what the fuck
FlightlessFalcon14@reddit
Another reason to keep my 74 Porsche on the road.
brocktacular@reddit
No it won't.
thedudeumd@reddit
Haven’t you all heard the news that no slopes are ever slippery?
jwclair@reddit
Figure out how to stop drivers from holding, texting and looking at their phones while driving!
KetchupOnThaMeatHo@reddit
Prettybad when were at the point to where we have to jailbreak our cars like our phones
fastbeemer@reddit
This is the real reason cars are getting so expensive, never-ending regulations and add-ons.
InB4Clive@reddit
No it isn’t.
8N-QTTRO@reddit
Yup. They're getting expensive because people are willing to pay that much, and companies are all inherently profit-motivated. Once they start losing sales, prices will go down.
ConfusedTapeworm@reddit
Why not both?
"Line must go up" is very much real, but you can't claim that regulations like GSR2 have not contributed to making it more and more impossible to build and sell a cheap, basic car.
AndroidMyAndroid@reddit
People will pay that much because cars are visible social status symbols and nobody wants to look like a broke-ass bitch, even if they are a broke-ass bitch.
Plus, the point of diminishing returns doesn't really hit cars until they're like $50k - up to that point, spending a little more gets you a much nicer car.
Training-Context-69@reddit
It’s not the whole picture obviously but it certainly plays a role.
ManufacturerBest2758@reddit
lol
Energy4Days@reddit
Privacy is a myth
costafilh0@reddit
I never had a new car. And never will, apparently.
OppositeRock4217@reddit
Drivers having less privacy by the day
asiansensation78@reddit
How about just detecting whether the driver is texting?
Shallow_wanderer@reddit
I'm going to meticuously maintain my first-gen Toyota Sequoia for the rest of my life at this rate holy shit
All this technological bullshit is making cars age like crap and become disposable after a few years, and we're already seeing this with Fisker Karmas and early Tesla's now that those cars are hitting 10-15 years old
RacerM53@reddit
Old cars are always better
Fred2p1u@reddit
Nearly all new cars are equipped with an Event Data Recorder (EDR), often referred to as a "black box". Mandated in new vehicles since 2014
TrooperGary@reddit
More reason to buy used
UnleadedLava@reddit
Time for a perpetual boycott…just let it rot.
fiddlythingsATX@reddit
Terrible title - the law has zero surveillance aspect whatsoever, it has to be local to the vehicle.
Beautiful_Jaguar_413@reddit
It'll have to work where there's no cell service, which is a positive from a security perspective: All processing can be done locally.
But if the car phones home when back in cell range, then I hate this!
Kelkeen_1980@reddit
Good thing Starlink doesn't have ties to our federal government...wait.
Darktrooper007@reddit
Congress looked at the EU and China and said, "Hold my beer."
turb0_encapsulator@reddit
values of used cars are going to skyrocket.
SPorterBridges@reddit
Thanks, drunk drivers.
Sensitive_Box_@reddit
None of these privacy invasive laws are actually about helping the people... They never have been.
VinceMcMahon-@reddit
For real lmao. People are the after thought, sometimes we get lucky
FancyManIAm@reddit
These stupid regulations are never ending…
DocPhilMcGraw@reddit
No they haven’t because regulators haven’t even decided which technology can be reliably used for it yet. There’s been a number of different proposals but not one that has been set on.
The problem is obviously cost and reliable implementation. The one this article talks about was installing infrared cameras that can detect eye movement and dilation. While that could simultaneously cut down on distracted driving, it’s also an added cost and unknown whether it would be reliable. Plus, is it something that could just be disabled or blocked by using an OBD tool?
I think it’ll end up being delayed for another few years.
DudeWhereIsMyDuduk@reddit
At this point, the lack of a stick shift is going to keep me from buying a new, US-built 4x4 faster than this Big Brother stuff will.
SimpleOkie@reddit
Its literally PL 117-58 , and the Secretary shall act on it under 49 CFR 30111 to.implement this technology. It's real, it's here, and it will be acted upon.