Federal Surveillance Tech Becomes Mandatory in New Cars by 2027

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hoch_@reddit

Sensationalist article. This requires automakers to detect a BAC above the legal limit through sensors, but sets no methods or standards and leaves it up to the manufacturers.

This is simply not possible with any level of accuracy, so the manufacturers will spend millions (possibly the point) to develop the best possible solution which will be far from the desired outcome. Deadline will be pushed back or requirements less strict before the deadline is reached, unless some significant technical innovation is achieved and can somehow be implemented in vehicles which typically have a very long development cycle.

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boostedb1mmer@reddit

How is this sensationalist? It's literally law. The fact the government is too stupid to understand that the tech doesn't exist doesn't change the fact they've made it a requirement. Dumbfuck, bullshit laws is the government's specialty. Especially when it comes to mandating safety requirements on dangerous items. By nature they're dangerous and they should be treated as such by the people them. These laws and techs just provide false sense of security that are making drivers worse at actually driving.

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aaronhayes26@reddit

the government is too stupid to understand the tech doesn’t exist

Okay but that’s like the entire point of passing the law with 5 years of notice?

This is like complaining that Kennedy didn’t know that moon landing tech didn’t exist when he made his moon speech in 1962.

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Significant_Bet_2286@reddit

Dumbass take. If you know anything about sensors, camera technology, and programming, you will realize how mind numbingly stupid this is. Do you work in an industry where you have to deal with this stuff daily? If not, then honestly stfu because you know nothing about how easily sensors and programming break. That won't change tomorrow and that won't change 100 years from now, let alone 5.

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samdtho@reddit

The specific mandate of “going to the moon” wasn’t a legal one.

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DavidSpy@reddit

The language of the article is sensationalist. It’s basically a glorified Reddit comment posing as journalism.

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Bassracerx@reddit

Yeah its a minefield. What happens if someone does drink and drive and the car doesn’t interfere? Does the automaker get sued for failing to turn off the car? This will likely be challenged in court. You cant mandate a technology that doesn’t even exist yet.

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gunnermcgavin@reddit

What if an Asian person or someone with droopy eyelids drives? It’ll think they’re too tired and limit speed or something.

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Bassracerx@reddit

Pretty sure it is just an on or off situation. If it detects your impaired it wont let the car start. Nobody knows because its up to the department of transportation to provide guidlines and as of today there are none.

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hoch_@reddit

I don't think this is very likely as sensors will need to detect user input, and compare that to 'unimpaired' driving inputs, in order to detect impairment. This would mean at minimum already having your eyes on the road

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caterham09@reddit

Also I installed and serviced ignition interlocks for a time during covid. They are garbage, even the new ones. Shit like baked goods or fruit will set them off inadvertently. They also need to be calibrated every 2ish months. It's no where near up to snuff for mass production

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theaviationhistorian@reddit

A while ago I bought two breathalyzers for the shits and giggles. I thought it one would be a funny party trick qhile ensuring no one drove home drunk. One of the was busted on arrival and the other one seemed to have been badly calibrated after a few tries.

It turns out that it is usual for breathalyzer to be broken or decalibrated to where you have to send it back to the manufacturer for calibration (as you stated). So now I wonder just how reliable those things are and if they are like polygraph tests?

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shawster@reddit

I just want to chime in that I bought one from a manufacturer that supplies to police, I think it was “baktrack” and it matches the police ones every time. I’ve asked some cops to test it with me multiple times.

They measure way over if you drank right before blowing, and it’s bad for the sensor, but me and a house full of early 20-somethings would blow into all night a couple days a week for years and it was still perfectly accurate. I think you get like 2000 blows at .05% alcohol level before it needs recalibrating.

Definitely also stopped people from driving drunk with it multiple times. People will think they’re at a .05 and they’ll be a 1.5. Some people will also think and act like they’re totally shitfaced and blow a .07, but like I said, we had multiple, they always matched, and they matched the cops.

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UngovernableOatmeal@reddit

IIRC this is why roadside breathalyzers are inadmissible in court. only the ones at the station are

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FalconTurbo@reddit

That's why the roadside ones here are used as an indication, at which point you can either take the ticket then and there (and walk home) or get tested back at the station, which usually reads higher anyway.

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Sad-Offer8857@reddit

What are you talking about taking a ticket? Your going straight to jail if you’re drinking and driving.

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Kevin_Wolf@reddit

Tell that to states like Wisconsin. First offense is a $300 fine and a 6 month license suspension.

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upalachango@reddit

LOL, the rest of the country always forgets Wisconsin wears a DUI as a badge of honor.

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derprunner@reddit

Quick reminder that reddit is a global platform.

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stupidber@reddit

Straight to jail

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Jabbles22@reddit

For a while in the early 2000s many bars in my area had a breathalyzer machine. It cost $2 to use it but I never bothered. They are no longer around. I suspect due to improper results and the liability that comes with that.

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Kevin_Wolf@reddit

That seems like it's just inviting a pattern overserving case from a state liquor board. In places I've lived, the liquor boards actually keep track of which bars get the most DUIs. A pattern of overserving can lead to the bar being shut down entirely, and I feel like it would be easier to show that pattern by just referencing the BAC High Score machine they installed.

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yerras-lisp@reddit

Mine will give me an inv or error code for no reason once in a while and you gotta wait like 30 seconds to blow again. One day the device wouldn’t even turn on (it was a week prior to the recalibration appointment) and I had to miss work and get towed to the shop and they just recalibrated it and were like “here you go!” No explanation as to what happened lol

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Proper_Speaker9662@reddit

I read local police reports a lot. Almost every DUI arrest has another charge for “tampering with ignition interlock device”. They had the interlock and just disabled it. People do it all the time so why expand this so much when it doesn’t even work? Politicians are dangerous and harmful.

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OppositeRock4217@reddit

While many innocent people are gonna be left stranded when system malfunctions

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caterham09@reddit

In my experience people didn't really mess with them often. They are very easy to bypass, but as soon as you go in for service you'd be caught and reported.

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Proper_Speaker9662@reddit

I’ve never messed with one, never even seen one actually. But I see this charge all the time on dui arrests.

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Weak-Tourist-1493@reddit

What if you wear sunglasses? Would the sensors still work? Would you still be able to drive with them on?

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TruthWarrior_@reddit

No

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Exadory@reddit

What happens if someone is in the way to the hospital out of cell service so they can’t call an ambulance and driving someone that’s in the backseat having a heart attack and the car decides the driver is impaired and won’t let them drive. So the person dies in because the car was wrong.

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TruthWarrior_@reddit

Yes

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fromthewindyplace@reddit

California mandated micro stamping on handgun firing pins a few years back. That technology still doesn’t exist in the way they thought it did.

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TrucksAndCigars@reddit

Revolutionary technology defeated in two seconds by a drill and a piece of 80 grit

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jesuschristislord666@reddit

Or just using it as intended and firing a few thousand rounds.

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SalvageCorveteCont@reddit

Be fair to them, Hollywood 'invented' this technology for a Western about 50 years ago, so people think we've had it for about 150 years.

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franksandbeans911@reddit

So their next genius solution is to stamp serial numbers onto the casings...which anyone can "police their brass" and not leave behind. Dumb solutions for dumb problems.

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wikihowtoswim@reddit

Of course the personal injury attorneys are already thinking about how this could affect future crash claims: https://www.jagrooplaw.com/by-2027-federal-law-could-let-your-car-decide-if-youre-allowed-to-drive/

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akrisd0@reddit

Yes you can. California did it with mandatory microstamping to call a gun "safe" to sell in their state. Went through several courts and it was found that even though the technology didn't exist or was impossible to implement, it was still valid law.

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RiftHunter4@reddit

In the era of data collection and surveillance, I would not assume that this will blow over. Multiple manufacturers have been caught selling driver data to insurance companies and far too many of them have been involved with US politics.

I would not trust them one second on this. They will sell you down the drain if needed. They already have done so before.

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hoch_@reddit

I fully agree. However, the issue here is the technology as opposed to data. There is no way to measure the driver's BAC without at least a breathalyzer as of yet.

This law allows manufacturers (not insurance - unless you allow your driving information to be sent to your insurance) to acquire data on tiredness, distraction, anger, and one or two very clearly defined things. Every individual manufacturer is at their discretion to disclose this data, as long as they deem it to be indicative of an impaired driver as spelled out previously.

Most require an opt-in or opt-out upon purchase of a new car, though I cannot speak as to second hand purchases.

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Rough-Ad6662@reddit

two things i will not do (in the state of indiana) submit to a portable breathalyzer from police, adn a field sobriety test, they are looking for an excuse to arrest, demand a blood test, even though the results will take some time, it might just vindicate you, if pulled over for alcohol, they might even be looking for RX doctor prescribed drugs that are legal, but this is a new angle the police and insurance companies are looking at.

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Rough-Ad6662@reddit

a lot of data collected from all of this will be sold, to insurance companies so no claims will be paid, because of the driver, bet on it. the cars collect enough data of us now, especially if you subscribe to one of those services like subaru offers to unlock your car, or location of car. i have a 2018 outback, and i am glad i have low milage on it, For every countermove we do to stop data collection, they come up with new techniques to invade privacy.

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Crocs_n_Glocks@reddit

Did you read the article?

They are going to have to spend hundreds of dollars per vehicle to create technology that doesn't exist. The manufacturers can't make money doing that, so they're just as likely to "fight back against having to spend money on customer safety" as they are to sell data. You can generally trust them to seek profit at any cost and want less government oversight.

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Ok-Secretary455@reddit

Look at the patients Ford just applied for. Using in car cameras to read the lips of passengers and in car mics to listen for slurred speech. It calls out the potential revenue stream using targeted ads based on conversations overheard on the mics/cameras.

They'll install it but never disable anyone's car. The reason for the manufacturer wanting it is selling data. The gov will be able to access this data without warrant because you are agreeing to it by driving a car, bet

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hoch_@reddit

I'd bet on that. Mercedes has been listening to every word for decades and that's just the start

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Dapper_Pay_3881@reddit

You are incredibly naive. In a dangerous way. Yes big daddy govt, control me more daddy.

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Lyretongue@reddit

Very realistic approach and I'm glad you left this comment.

But let's not allow the current material limitations leave us apathetic to the fact that the government is trying gung ho to mass surveil us during every second and every inch of our life. They're ready to eliminate all forms of privacy before the technology even exists to do so.

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hoch_@reddit

I mean it's similar to the EU & California ban on ICE vehicles by 2035, which was initially set at 2030. I don't think it's a fundamentally bad idea at all, but it is an unrealistic idea to force implementation within the proposed timeframe.

That said, there needs to be a way to do it ethically and without our individual vehicles becoming instruments of mass surveillance. There are people smart enough to satisfy both demands that need to step up and implement something rational before the surveillance option becomes an industry standard.

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Drclaw411@reddit

“It can’t happen to us”

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TehSvenn@reddit

My issue is less whether they'll succeed, but that the government is trying. It's a damned slippery slope.

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tiki-151@reddit

And this is supposed to make me feel better about it?

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The_ApolloAffair@reddit

This is primarily an example of how stupid omnibus bills are. Some lobbyist convicted a congressman to add this to the bill, and nobody cares enough to have a vote on removing it so they passed it anyway.

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zummit@reddit

Some lobbyist convicted a congressman

I didn't know they had that much power.

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flGovEmployee@reddit

Freudian slip about how both the lobbyist and the congressman are criminals.

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hoopaholik91@reddit

Yup, same thing I said the last time it was posted: backup cameras are also technically "federal surveillance" under the definition this article uses

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andrewia@reddit

Not to mention that manufacturers are now getting sued over data sales to insurance companies. Most will be very shy about trying again in the future.

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andrewia@reddit

Yep, this won't be implemented with the current trajectory. NHTSA has basically said it's stupid and not doable with current technology . https://www.reddit.com/r/Environmental_Careers/comments/1ss2tuh/comment/ohk20ly/?context=3

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CortaCircuit@reddit

We are loosing all freedoms and most people don't give a shit.

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Comfortable-Army-107@reddit

when china is freer than the us.

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Sensitive_Box_@reddit

tHeY HaVE nOtHiNg To hIDe

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AndroidMyAndroid@reddit

"Your Social Credit Score has dropped below 700 - if it falls below 650, your beer rations will be decreased"

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BraveFencerMusashi@reddit

This is why they lifted the ban on moonshine

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Thee_Sinner@reddit

They didn’t, as far as I’ve seen, all that changed is you’re now allowed to be licensed if you don’t have a business. You’re still not allowed to just run a still for yourself, Uncle Sam still wants his cut.

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Camp-Unusual@reddit

You can make up to a certain amount for personal use in some states. If I’m reading it right, you can distill up to 200 gallons per year in Texas as long as you don’t sell it.

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RedstonedMonkey@reddit

As long as you dont sell it still sucks... This isn't what the people envisioned when they started this country in the 1700s. "OH IT'S NOT THE 1700s anymore, blah blah" . A lot of things are still the same. Freedom is dwindling by the decade.

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ThuhGreatCommenter@reddit

They should make a Black Mirror episode about this

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JediJoe923@reddit

Just wait a year a you won’t have to

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AndroidMyAndroid@reddit

This is already a system in place in China.

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MidnightMath@reddit

Good think I drink vodka

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Loose-Violinist-3686@reddit

You are already giving up everything a car would give and so much on the device your using to complain about this

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CortaCircuit@reddit

No. Completely ignorant comment.

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rental_car_fast@reddit

I think most people give a shit. The problem is that there isn't shit we can do about it.

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Swollennolan@reddit

You can. We have guns and we can use them

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FrictionJuicebag@reddit

What little power over government stuffs we have as individuals is used flippantly here in the usa

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jameson71@reddit

But we have eliminated men’s bathrooms so we have that going for us.

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TeflonDonatello@reddit

*losing

It’s 2026 bro no excuse to not know the difference.

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MakeGovtObsolete@reddit

We are letting our freedom get loose.

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TeflonDonatello@reddit

People can’t spell or know the difference between “their, there, they’re” gonna have their freedom’s butt spit in.

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Thee_Sinner@reddit

Gonna loose my mind.

And by that, I mean I’m going to launch it via a bow.

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Loltoor@reddit

Meanwhile people don’t even realize UAP/UFOs are real and confirmed by the Pentagon.

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shugokibrokenlmao@reddit

unidentified flying objects are real??? no way! the government confirmed that sometimes people report stuff flying in the air and don’t know what it is??

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Vaktrus@reddit

I have $10,000,000 in my bank account, confirmed by me.

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trolllord45@reddit

What’s that got to do with the fact that the billionaire class is walking all over us?

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Loltoor@reddit

You sound depressed

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trolllord45@reddit

You sound like someone who doesn’t give a shit about loosing all freedoms.

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Dachshand@reddit

Land of the freeeeeeee!

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Comfortable-Army-107@reddit

this is even worse than china lmao. when the us keep criticizing how much surveillance china has. land of free my ass.

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xdr01@reddit

Was considering selling my manual gassers for a EV, now will not.

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Bgo318@reddit

You do realize this will apply to all cars not just EVs right?

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im-gay-on-tuesdays@reddit

you do realize that he doesn’t plan on buying ANY new cars, right?

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McGlowSticks@reddit

older ev. Ez.

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Broad_Ad4176@reddit

Insane that it’s just being implemented like that without public input???

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ConfusionHuge7922@reddit

Just got in under the wire with a 2026 Toyota hybrid. Plan on driving it till I die.

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Joe_Kalm@reddit

Pull the fuse or relay for the monitoring system. Then snip the wires in the back and wire then together. 20 min job and a.i. is bypassed

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Sensitive_Box_@reddit

The federal government promises this surveillance saves 9,000-10,000 lives annually.

(That's almost all of them, that's unbelievable.)

Also,

What if its farmer John driving across his (private property) farm after a beer?

What if friends are out camping and there's an emergency after a single beer?

What about false positives?!

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medic-pepper@reddit

The camping one actually happened to us. One of the guys camping with us slipped and cut his thumb open, needing four stitches. after we were just getting ready to settle down for the night and I had cracked a beer.

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Professional_Dot7128@reddit

What about duct tape?!

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franksandbeans911@reddit

Throws a critical error to the ignition system. See how easy it is to design draconian systems in the name of safety, throwing critical thought out the window?

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Professional_Dot7128@reddit

If that's the case I'll never buy a new car again. I got 2 paid off, I'm good lol

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franksandbeans911@reddit

Good luck with parts. Some youtubers that do restorations are basically giving up because parts quality is so low, you don't even know if a new part replacement is even built to match for classic cars. Take good care of what you have.

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DriftableCheetah@reddit

i mean sure for 80s vehicles, plenty of parts in circulation for 2010-2026 cars

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franksandbeans911@reddit

Dunno who misinterpreted "classic cars" besides you, but I was talking dudes restoring 50's, 60's, 70's cars. The supply chain for their new old parts is busted, half the stuff they get in a box isn't to spec. Not enough money in it I guess, but whatever.

Definitely agree with your statement here though, new replacement parts shouldn't be an issue because the OEM's should still be building them.

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zinknife@reddit

Fortunately metal 3D printing will be cheap/available enough soon

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TruthWarrior_@reddit

Government plans to ban them

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zinknife@reddit

Lol

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Realtrain@reddit

Got me curious so I looked it up, the US has about 40,000 motor vehicle deaths per year.

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Sensitive_Box_@reddit

I was specifically talking about drunk driving deaths. It was like 9-12k per year.

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b88b15@reddit

I wonder if that's an accurate number or inflated by cops and alcohol crusaders who want the problem to be big so they appear important.

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Bgo318@reddit

To be fair drunk driving is real problem it’s not made up, a few people I used to go to school with died or hit someone while drunk driving

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DocPhilMcGraw@reddit

No they haven’t because regulators haven’t even decided which technology can be reliably used for it yet. There’s been a number of different proposals but not one that has been set on.

The problem is obviously cost and reliable implementation. The one this article talks about was installing infrared cameras that can detect eye movement and dilation. While that could simultaneously cut down on distracted driving, it’s also an added cost and unknown whether it would be reliable. Plus, is it something that could just be disabled or blocked by using an OBD tool?

I think it’ll end up being delayed for another few years.

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Bgo318@reddit

Tbh any car with level 2 self driving already has the eye movement or closed eye thing, it will beep at you loudly and stop hands free driving if you are looking away from the front for more than a few seconds

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bot_account2025@reddit

What happens in those vehicles if you are using glasses that prevent IR eye tracking? Does anyone know? I have prescription lenses that block eye tracking. Would that prevent me from driving?

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Bgo318@reddit

I don’t know, maybe ask at a dealership

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lynchyluck@reddit

Is it legal to travel by horse and buggy?

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bot_account2025@reddit

I have prescription lenses that prevent IR eye tracking. Does that mean I can’t turn on my car?

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MrSpicyhedgehog@reddit

This will be laughably easy to bypass if you have any level of technical know-how. If you have an arduino or know an electrical engineer you could just constantly feed it fake data.

Remember, if it has to measure something, it can be spoofed.

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MustBeConfused21@reddit

This sounds terrible

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TulsaOUfan@reddit

I have a low tech 2008 Honda.

I'll keep maintaining and repairing this vehicle until I die or can't.

Fuck this Big Brother Fascism that's taken over my beloved USA.

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namegoeswhere@reddit

Yep, now it looks like my 2011 is probably the newest car I’ll ever own.

Got a 2026 Outback as my latest fleet vehicle… I fucking hate all the nannies. Can’t look out the window, can’t take a sip of coffee, can’t even mess with the infotainment screen without the thing beeping about “keep your eyes on the road!”

There’s also some fucking option for it to scan my face to create a driver profile. Fuck that all the way off.

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Fanantic8099@reddit

Electrical tape over the camera lens.

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Hardluckcase@reddit

When the premise to the story is that it won’t work without watching you, this seems like an astronomically stupid post.

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Fanantic8099@reddit

Only if you assume it has to see you. Anything electronic can be fooled or bypassed. Tape over the lens is partially a metaphor. It might actually work on some systems, but if that fails and electrical jumper past the circuit is always an option too.

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NorthFloridaRedneck@reddit

Pull the starter relay & jump pins 30 & 87 to run the starter.

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Fanantic8099@reddit

Car specific, but yeah. I once started a car that had a faulty ignition with a screwdriver across the starter terminals.

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Vakirisil@reddit

Then it won't start.

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gunnermcgavin@reddit

Then the system may prevent you from starting the car.

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JeffT417@reddit

Turn all that stuff off and it will stay off. Thankfully Subaru allows for persistent settings unlike some other manufacturers that turn all nannies back on after an ignition cycle.

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mjwells21@reddit

In the new policy you cannot just turn it off if Subaru allows that they’ll be fined by Government for the violation

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Marsh-boater79@reddit

Wil it work when you wear sunglasses?

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stupidber@reddit

Thats what they tell you

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Mobile_Syllabub6044@reddit

I have a 2016 CRV with 37k miles. Looks showroom new. Been paid off for years. I love it and am keeping it.

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TulsaOUfan@reddit

I was raised to always buy a car cash used. I did until I married. 15 years of car payments and high insurance. I inherited a 2008 Honda just when I needed a car and was broke. I don't know if I'll ever take on a car payment again. I forgot how oppressively car payments, high insurance, and tags drain you financially.

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Lawdoc1@reddit

JFC, that sounds horrible.

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pocketIent@reddit

JFK was killed in a car

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salsafresca_1297@reddit

Problems are problems even if they don't affect you personally. Rights are rights even if you're not the one currently being deprived of them. We all need to be fighting this, regardless of what old car we're driving.

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Okay-Vic@reddit

Agreed but we should of been fighting this in 2021 when it was becoming law, not half a year before implementation

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TruthWarrior_@reddit

Covid distraction

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Okay-Vic@reddit

Honta about to be next!

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TulsaOUfan@reddit

Absolutely agree.

My vehicle is one thing I do to resist. Reflective tape on my license plate is another. I've also been mostly cash only (I have a digital checking account for direct deposits, but no banks - after paying bills, it all comes out in cash) for a decade.

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endigochild@reddit

You haven't seen anything yet. This country will be unrecognizable in a few years. Don't think for a sec they'll try to ban car ownership all together. You don't own your car even if it's paid off w title in hand. It's still property of the State just like people homes. The real title called the MCO is held by the manufacturer. The real deed to ones home is owned by the US Corporation, just like you were born into with your all CAPS name on your birth cert.

So technically, they can legally take all your assets to say they need it pay down the trillions in US debt they created using Fed Res ponzi scheme. Society isn't ready to hear that story.

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DSmith1717@reddit

False. You own your car if it’s paid for it’s the house that you lose not paying property taxes.

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endigochild@reddit

I am right. You simply don't know how the system works.

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DSmith1717@reddit

If you’re right then prove it. Research so far disproves your statement. So no more here-say bs.

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endigochild@reddit

If you care about the truth, then go seek it yourself. It's not my job to spoon fed babies who dont want to put in the work.

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Professional_Elk7155@reddit

Facism lmao…. Haven’t seen facism yet 😎🇺🇸💪🏻

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DoomedGrain329@reddit

Ah yes monitoring people in their cars is just so freeing… do you like being watched or somethin?

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TulsaOUfan@reddit

Ignorance is bliss. Enjoy it.

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KaylaCartier777@reddit

I been saying this shit for years. Everybody thought I was a conspiracy theorist now look

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Mamakat12@reddit

Yep, my 2007 corolla is with me til I die

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avoidhugeships@reddit

It is and the false positives will leave people stranded.

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No-Suggestion-9459@reddit

Thankfully people will figure out ways to disable it.

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NorthFloridaRedneck@reddit

Just like I ripped all that fuel management crap out of my 13 Sierra so it runs on all 8 cylinders. I paid for a V8 & don’t want to only use half of the engine.

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CautiousOptimism09@reddit

Guarantee it will void all car warranties

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jiggajawn@reddit

Also it's just more shit to break and repair and raise insurance prices

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mjwells21@reddit

Sad fact no one will buy that shit if their smart

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milesdraft@reddit

Problem is a majority of people probably don't even know or ever will know this is happening. Manufacturers and dealerships will sell it as a feature. I've run into people these last past few years that didn't know backup cameras have been mandatory since 2018. The common person isn't as in-tune with this sort of stuff.

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NorthFloridaRedneck@reddit

I won’t buy anything newer than a 2013. I don’t want all that crap. I just want something that starts with a key, & I can roll the windows up & down when I don’t need to run the a/c.

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Sad-University-2693@reddit

Insurance probably lobbied for it. The have more information to blame the driver and less claims if that software is constantly recording

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OddSand7870@reddit

And as soon as someone is stranded there will be a class action.

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Elegant_Roll_9144@reddit

Tesla locked someone's kid in the car and the windows weren't breakable and Tesla "conveniently" deleted the footage of around the vehicle to say nothing ever happened

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endigochild@reddit

That's because "THEY" are everywhere n control all agencies. Heck, they even own many car manufacturer's.

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avoidhugeships@reddit

There was a recent push to repeal this in Congress but it failed.

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Wuz3Kings@reddit

This was passed in 2021 and not only does the technology not exist yet but no automaker is signing up to be the first test case to lose the data privacy battle in court after dumping millions into cars no one will buy.

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Additional_Page5765@reddit

Ford just did 🤣

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Shrikecorp@reddit

This sounds like a lot of profit for a lot of people. New system that costs quite a bit x ~16m+ cars sold...instant multibillion dollar industry.

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fastbeemer@reddit

This is the real reason cars are getting so expensive, never-ending regulations and add-ons.

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InB4Clive@reddit

No it isn’t.

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Yakapo88@reddit

The most basic spec Toyota truck in other countries cost around $12k.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/reviews/a45752401/toyotas-10000-future-pickup-truck-is-basic-transportation-perfection/

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8N-QTTRO@reddit

Yup. They're getting expensive because people are willing to pay that much, and companies are all inherently profit-motivated. Once they start losing sales, prices will go down.

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Dapper_Pay_3881@reddit

Lol yea auto manufacturers are rolling in it right now. It's a great time to be in the auto industry. You really know what you're talking about.

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8N-QTTRO@reddit

I never said that. Can you read?

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ConfusedTapeworm@reddit

Why not both?

"Line must go up" is very much real, but you can't claim that regulations like GSR2 have not contributed to making it more and more impossible to build and sell a cheap, basic car.

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AndroidMyAndroid@reddit

People will pay that much because cars are visible social status symbols and nobody wants to look like a broke-ass bitch, even if they are a broke-ass bitch.

Plus, the point of diminishing returns doesn't really hit cars until they're like $50k - up to that point, spending a little more gets you a much nicer car.

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Training-Context-69@reddit

It’s not the whole picture obviously but it certainly plays a role.

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ManufacturerBest2758@reddit

lol

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RedstonedMonkey@reddit

This shit is so stupid. They're 100% going to fail to achieve it, and the fact we're even talking about it is fucking concerning. This plus the way they're trying to remove anonymity from the Internet is making me question whether or not I'm going to stay here in the next 5-10-15 years. What will this place look like then, fucking minority report?

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TruthWarrior_@reddit

It's a global agenda. It'll be everywhere! Half of other countries have starting implementing digital identification to use internet.

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RedstonedMonkey@reddit

Time to move into the fucking amazon i guess... I'm just not going to get in line with any of this. I will do whatever it is that I have to do to avoid it. I'm not going to allow my children to grow up with no freedom. We'll go homestead in the amazon before whatever the next stage of all this big brother bullshit is

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Skullllz@reddit

It doesn’t matter, we will know where all the cameras are and where all the listening devices are and will disable them. This crap will be blocked

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doktormane@reddit

Your insurer may void your policy if you disable safety equipment....

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TruthWarrior_@reddit

Spy equipment! I will see them in court! 4th and 10th amendment violations.

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doktormane@reddit

I really hope the US constitution is strong enough to protect people from tho surveillance BS because in the EU and the UK, "safety comes first and at the expense of every right and freedom you have".

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SykeOut2@reddit

Insurance isn’t all it’s cracked up to be anyway.

“Pay us monthly so incase you get into an accident you’re covered!”

“Oh, you had an accident? We need 13 camera angles, 6 written statements and a Birds Eye view of the accident so we know you’re not making it up and that you weren’t at fault. If you were at fault, sheesh that sucks. Also, you now owe us triple what we were charging before per month. Loser.”

Like ohhh, thanks Insurance for nothing? I just have it so I don’t get a ticket (which is also stupid)

Couldn’t this get stricken down before it can get implemented due to violation of reasonable privacy?

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SilverStyler@reddit

not to be that guy but that's not what insurance is for. I'm not defending their greed but they are to protect the other person. that's why state laws require you to have coverage for the car you hit, not for you own vehicle.

now the bank that you're paying your car loan to will want that coverage of course, but after it's paid off, you can take those coverages off cause, as i stated earlier, the state doesn't cares if you cover your own car or not generally speaking.

having dealt with claims in the past i can say it can be very annoying and i agree with your statements on that. that being said i've also had good interactions so.. mixed bag.

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Professional_Dot7128@reddit

Welp..

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Kidcharlamagne89d@reddit

What if they start going after places that do what you say, like the diesel shops removing standard equipment?

Idk if this will ever actually be in cars, but if it does end up in them I would look at current examples of how the government would try and stop the removal of the devices.

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UnleadedLava@reddit

Time for a perpetual boycott…just let it rot.

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TruthWarrior_@reddit

MASS NON COMPLIANCE!

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No-Suggestion-9459@reddit

This is just stuff to keep drivers from driving impaired. Count on people figuring out a way to disable it. I know I would if my car did that unless it's 100% accurate.

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TruthWarrior_@reddit

Nope. Its to keep you from driving period!

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Luxurythekiddd_@reddit

Doesn't this break some sort of law 😭

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TruthWarrior_@reddit

4th amendment violation

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Rough-Bison5002@reddit

So if the camera goes out I can't drive my car? Will we need to connect our cars to WiFi to update? What if I'm driving for a medical emergency? Shit, what if there's a bad storm I'm driving through and I'm nervous or anxious and that sets off the Killswitch and I get swept away in a flood? This shit is going to cause so many problems.

I garuntee you everything you do that's not deemed "acceptable driving" according to the AI will get relayed to your insurance. It's a way to gather our data and invade our personal lives. We won't be able to have honest and personal conversations in our cars anymore.

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TruthWarrior_@reddit

Mass non compliance

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ConverseHydra@reddit

What about removing the fuse for the sensors?

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TruthWarrior_@reddit

Nope

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TruthWarrior_@reddit

Behavior control

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TruthWarrior_@reddit

MASS NON COMPLIANCE!!!

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themolenator617@reddit

Used car market is about to explode

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franksandbeans911@reddit

It has been exploding since Covid. Cooled off this year just to catch fire again. Feel bad for any high school kids trying to get a decent first car for a reasonable price.

Upside: leased in 2020, lease ended in 2023 but the calculations for residual value had been thrown off so unexpectedly, I had equity in it, so I kept it with a cheap loan. I'm still right-side up on it which is usually unheard of under normal conditions.

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Rough-Ad6662@reddit

i remember paying 500 for my first car in 1973, after carrying papers since iw as 13, bought it the day after i got my licesnse, in cash. cannot do that anymore as a 16 year old.

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franksandbeans911@reddit

The 70's were stagnant wages but at least everyone wasn't being robbed by inflation and shortages like now. Back then you could factory order a new car and pay it off with a summer job, or two summers. Sounds like a fairy tale now.

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mjwells21@reddit

Differently is unless your something shady

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Drclaw411@reddit

Most used cares are as expensive, or moreso, than new cars unless they’re at 200k miles.

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themolenator617@reddit

Those who have vehicles with over 200k are taking very well care of their car. These people can replace their engine and transmission if needed without having to buy another new or used.

I feel that there is going to be a big uptick in people ordering engines to replace there current ones that are at that mark.

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Chrodesk@reddit

it will never happen as described. Its why NHTSA has not issued any rules so far, because its pure congressional fantasy with no reality.

With that said, any car with lvl 2 driving already has the fatigue/attention monitoring.

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iamtehstig@reddit

My last 3 cars have had attention and it's annoying as shit.

It often alerts and tells me to keep my hand on the wheel when I never took my hand off.

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Chrodesk@reddit

aye, its too bad. Mine lane keeping assist is so stupid I have to turn it off entirely, it chirps at me if Im driving on a straight road. because they think Im going to try to use it as self driving (which would work for about 3.4seconds)

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East_Needleworker789@reddit

Yep! My company car has lane assist. When on straight roads, where the white line on the shoulder curves at a cross road, my car will attempt to follow the white line into a turn!!! My hands are on the wheel, but I still don't want to have to fight the car!

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kaytin911@reddit

Only because the current administration is against it.

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theaviationhistorian@reddit

Tbh, most Congressional reps throughout the political spectrum are terrible when it comes to understanding any machine or engineering marvel.

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rental_car_fast@reddit

some of those guys still havent learned how to send email

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Speedy_SpeedBoi@reddit

Prolly the same reason US data privacy laws are absolutely shit too. And cus our reps dont listen to actual experts, just lobbyists.

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No_Contact_7223@reddit

Well the lobbyists are friends with the people that give them money(if not the lobbyists just paying them off directly) of course they are going to listen to them and not the literal SPECIALISTS who have spent most of their lives investigating and researching and studying the specific thing they are being asked to talk about and inform them of the truth of all of these things they want to put into motion that will “help” us.

We all know how and why bills get put into motion and it’s money nothing else.

Ps. I guess sometimes bills get passed to also get them re-elected and make it harder to vote, but that’s the ONLY other reasons (;

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franksandbeans911@reddit

As a congresscritter, how else are you supposed to get rich, listening to eggheads on boring topics? Nah lobbyist cash and vacations are more fun.

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Enygma_6@reddit

Don’t forget about the insider trading. Get yourself on Don Jr’s mailing list to get the latest Kalshi and Polymarket tips.

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3rdreprieve@reddit

It happened with guns, it happened with trains, and it looks like it’ll happen with cars as well.

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Many-Adeptness2353@reddit

I won’t be buying a 2027 thats for sure, old cars are seeming more and more attractive.

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RedstonedMonkey@reddit

I will never buy a car that has this

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Jeffe-69@reddit

Going to be a whole lot of rewiring happening...

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RaphssX@reddit

Wait for the false positive weird movements it will come the same one like the AEB do. If you have a 2014+ and your car never shake, brake weird for no reason like manhole cover or drain lines in the freeway you are lucky. NHTSA is completely out of control, it’s unbelievable seriously.

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Lower-Energy1907@reddit

It makes it worse when I remember in I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream that AM took over everything before destroying humanity.

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Optical_reality@reddit

can someone explain me what this means I don’t understand

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Bottledbutthole@reddit

So this lady who was already in a car that has this type of technology was sitting in her seat and because she’s short, the car stopped in the middle of the road and told her to sit up straight before it would let her go, even though her foot was on the gas

https://youtube.com/shorts/XSGeVbXXVpE?si=r9HdfBdVLUmhmodm

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byteminer@reddit

Your car will be required to turn off if you are drunk.

The only way to currently do that is a breathalyzer ignition interlock.

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Optical_reality@reddit

I don’t even drink.

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Illbe10-7@reddit

Doesn't matter. If it thinks you are too tired- sorry no car for you.

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GodOfBoy8@reddit

If you sneeze wrong it'll not let you drive because it lost contact with your eyes

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Optical_reality@reddit

huh?

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SoyMurcielago@reddit

Exactly what it sounds like

If the car computer, now integrated with FordAI or some such believes you to be impaired regardless of actuality you ain’t going nowhere and possibly have the authorities notified in addition to a disabling of the vehicle.

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shugokibrokenlmao@reddit

dystopian shit lmao

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Optical_reality@reddit

darn, I lost my thought

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MargaretRColeman@reddit

I'm not ever buying a car with that functionality. I'll just never buy a new car again. Opting out

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Patient_Gate_6463@reddit

And the US wanted to preach about “freedom” and criticized other countries like China for too much surveillance🙄

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Marsh-boater79@reddit

Will it work when you wear sunglasses?

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Marsh-boater79@reddit

If everyone in the US would not buy a car from 2027 on let’s see how the auto industry would like it!!!

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Rough-Ad6662@reddit

i will continue to keep and well-maintain my cars now. this stupid legislation will have plenty of backlash against the tech companies, the politicians who voted for it, the dealerships and car manufacturers, did i leave anyone out? al it seems for the last ten-fifteen years is to find more ways to invade privacy, keep us in a surveillance mode (for our own protection, right) and just plain harass us. like the speed cameras and stop-light cameras, its about money and invasion of privacy, and of course, its for the kids, F them.

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Vote. Out. Trumpublicans.

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Was the post I responded to contacted as well?

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BeneficialTackle3605@reddit

Is it just for the USA or for other countries like Canada as well?

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Elegant_Roll_9144@reddit

Just the US since the US president signed the bill in 2021

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Thank voters for voting for "big government is back!"

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giant_space_possum@reddit

Doesn't AI need Internet access to run? So you'll drive out to the middle of nowhere outside of cell reception and not be able to start your car to get back? Or it might even just shut down as soon as you lose reception? I drive through a couple of big dead zones on my regular daily commute.

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Elegant_Roll_9144@reddit

Not when they are building data centers everywhere.

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Legal-Swordfish-1893@reddit

No it absolutely does not. There can be a local model in ROM.

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giant_space_possum@reddit

Interesting. I did not know that. Would that take expensive hardware though?

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Alarming-Produce4541@reddit

By 2037 sure. By 2027? No chance in hell.

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Ill-Protection44@reddit

only if i can sue for false positives

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Central-Displacement@reddit

I low-key look forward to seeing which companies eagerly develop their own vehicle-shaped spyware — makes it easier to decide which ones that'll never see my business again.

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GodOfBoy8@reddit

Surveillance PLUS unreliable and can easily make mistakes and people won't be able to access their cars because of a mistake the system makes. Insanity

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Novel-Natural7050@reddit

Does anyone have the name of this bill?

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PhotographOne8358@reddit

It is the infrastructure bill passed in 2021.

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Ok-Scar4988@reddit

We have to blame advertisers and corporations for this one. Yes, the government is implementing it, but who wants more than to stalk, snoop and spy on you than our government? Advertisers, and corporations, who can’t be individually held accountable, because they’re “a corporation.” They then sell our privacy to a third party or another country. It’s all about normalizing it. This shit is not normal, it’s part of a dystopian future.

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Unusual_Garbage_3486@reddit

Nothing a little ecu rewrite cant fix

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GlitteringShare8382@reddit

Next will be our homes saying it will save lives

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Ok_Code_163@reddit

If this becomes mandatory, it could raise serious concerns about privacy and how driving data is collected and used in modern vehicles. Most Car Brands already use connected systems, so adding surveillance-level tech will make users more conscious about data security.

At the same time, safety features like emergency alerts and driver assistance can benefit from better monitoring, so it depends on how transparently Car Brands handle data storage and user consent.

It will be interesting to see how different Car Brands balance innovation, safety, and privacy in upcoming models.

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ETAG6577@reddit

I think this ends up challenged under 4th amendment and nuked to oblivion.

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Spare_Benefit7543@reddit

Federal surveillance system fee 175 dollars a year to send information to them? Navigating services not included in price. Also to be clear how much did the back up camera cost the driver vs cars that didn’t have them? Isn’t it true that a basic design is usually the best design?

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Piss_Fring@reddit

My shitty old rice rocket doesn’t seem so bad now, huh?

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garbageusa@reddit

Absolutely no way this will get misused.

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ArmadilloWooden7565@reddit

Considering all of the horrific mistakes AI has made and still makes, this is a horrible idea… oh and let’s not forget the part that says it will kill us in our cars if we try to stop it.

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slow_turdle@reddit

Do not buy a new car after 2027. We must vote with our wallets

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Rocannon_@reddit

“As of March 2026, NHTSA told Congress the technology still was not ready and that it was not aware of any system achieving the needed accuracy without too many false positives or false negatives. That makes a blanket claim that this will definitely be mandatory in every new car by 2027 unreliable.“

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skipjack86f@reddit

I swear man if I ever end up getting a newer car the first thing I'm doing is figuring out how to disable all that shit

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silentbob1301@reddit

What in the minority report is happening?!?!?!

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1965mustang09@reddit

Asians are doomed. Cars gonna think we are asleep

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sundowner89@reddit

They should just make it illegal to live without be constantly surveilled. If you're not surveilled 100% of the time, even a momentary lapse.. a chip surges your brain and you die. Also, its a $300 a month fee to maintain the chip software. If you don't pay.. BAM gone.

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Bostonah@reddit

The previous generation nissan frontier was made from like 2008 until 2020. Parts are plentiful, and there's 0 nannies. The only thing I hate is the jey is one of those stupid chipped keys that cost 150 to replace. But Looks like I'll be fixing this truck and my old 2001 miata until they rot into the ground.

Fuck this. "pay 60,000+ plus interest on a car loan to drive a boring grey, black, or white computer" I'd rather own my stuff and have them actually be mechanical.

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NeutralGeneric@reddit

So what if you’re Asian? Is it gonna think you’re sleeping all the time?

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Dachshand@reddit

This shit would never fly under our EU privacy laws.

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RacerM53@reddit

Just don't type mean things online lol

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eirexe@reddit

Yes it would... GSR2 is adding similar things to EU cars

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L0rdInquisit0r@reddit

EU Ireland was talking about this sort of thing a few weeks back, and coming from the insurance industry.

You need a car here bout govt and insurance seem intent of reducing people who drive and punishing those that do.

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Training-Expert5598@reddit

Won't fly under the US Constitution, either. But it can't be challenged until somebody has been harmed by it and has both the money and time to fight it through to the Supreme Court.

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Holiday_Albatross441@reddit

Ah, but Muh Interstate Commerce.

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Most automakers already have it in the works as the EU has already announced similar harsher measures.

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Nervous-Tour-884@reddit

More shit making cars unaffordable. There is no denying cars have become safer over time, but there is also now thousands of dollars in saftey equipment making them unaffordable.

You probably could remove all the airbags and costly expensive saftey equipment from modern cars, go with seat belts and basic improved structural engineering, and still have a car that is safer than most made 15 years ago that included all of those expensive pieces.

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sinuendo@reddit

What about motorcycles?

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Stunning_Donkey_ou81@reddit

My newest vehicle is a 2007. :)

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ROEdkill820@reddit

150- 500 increase in price-for tech buyers do not want but have to pay for.
False positives from the Ai.
Car companies sharing data with insurance companies.

We need to have single subject bills. Thus was added to a bill with different objectives.

Stop supporting ai, the rich, corporations, insurance huslters and a government that is paid off by all 4.

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Thatredfox78@reddit

GitHub script when?

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ChrisPnCrunchy@reddit

Just making America great y’all 🙂🔫

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DGJett@reddit

Kinda wild. Your car snitching on you to the feds by default starting 2027

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Familiar_Fee_7891@reddit

I can’t find this function on my 1968 Camaro.

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BraveFencerMusashi@reddit

And people that I was "settling" for a base Mustang GT. The lack of tech is a feature

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Busterlimes@reddit

Oh look, another reason not to buy new cars.

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morkielover2022@reddit

Damn, another reason to keep my old 2014 running forever. No data collection, no tracking, just a key and an engine.

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sleepy-architect@reddit

How is this any different than existing mechanisms in cars with hands-free driving or similar features?

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ztman@reddit

Do most drunk drivers drive new vehicles or 00s Dodge's?

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nolongerbanned99@reddit

My Subaru already monitors alertness and gives warnings. How would it check for sobriety ‘monitors driver alertness and sobriety’

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valsalva_manoeuvre@reddit

I bet this will be "AI-based". We all know just how effective AI is at absolutely everything.

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yeetusDAfeetus333@reddit

Can't wait for the feds to remotely shut off my car because we criticized the government

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C7s_and_C3s@reddit

Fake

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avoidhugeships@reddit

It weird how there is such a push to deny this on reddit. It's a law passed by Congress and to be implemented by the NHTSA.

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C7s_and_C3s@reddit

Weird how you can’t understand how government works. Had not been passed by anyone yet or made law yet.

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shugokibrokenlmao@reddit

it literally has been passed, feel free to use the safari app, that’s what it’s there for. you’re obviously arrogant but are you willfully ignorant or just stupid?

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Text - H.R.6704 - 119th Congress (2025-2026): Drunk Driving Prevention and Enforcement Act of 2025 | Congress.gov | Library of Congress https://share.google/XrRYU5UhlMQ4R3znz

Shh it's obviously fake news. Probably woke too.

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fiddlythingsATX@reddit

H.R.6704 - 119th Congress hasn't even passed the House yet.

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tyrannosaurus_r@reddit

…that bill didn’t pass into law. It was just introduced in December. It hasn’t even had a hearing.

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Beltheadric@reddit

If you don’t think your phone is a much more powerful surveillance device than your car I don’t know what else to tell you.

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xXNodensXx@reddit

Well, looks like I won't be buying a new car ever again...

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thetimechaser@reddit

If your car has connected services you already have federal surveillance tech in your cars tbh

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Lipstickquid@reddit

Just a few more steps until they reach their endgame: say(or think) something bad about those in power, the car will lock you in and drive you straight to the detention center.

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Vesuvias@reddit

Oh cool, so I’ll be buying and fixing cars from 2016 and back forever. Yep.

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arcticrobot@reddit

Nice. My 2016 Tacoma with drum brakes and leaf springs suddenly became an appreciating asset.

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Naytosan@reddit

Privacy, like security, is now an illusion

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Professional_Dot7128@reddit

Always has been

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porkyfly@reddit

what the fuck

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FlightlessFalcon14@reddit

Another reason to keep my 74 Porsche on the road.

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brocktacular@reddit

No it won't.

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thedudeumd@reddit

Haven’t you all heard the news that no slopes are ever slippery?

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jwclair@reddit

Figure out how to stop drivers from holding, texting and looking at their phones while driving!

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KetchupOnThaMeatHo@reddit

Prettybad when were at the point to where we have to jailbreak our cars like our phones

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Energy4Days@reddit

Privacy is a myth

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costafilh0@reddit

I never had a new car. And never will, apparently.

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OppositeRock4217@reddit

Drivers having less privacy by the day

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asiansensation78@reddit

The tech involves infrared cameras mounted on steering columns or A-pillars, tracking eye movement, pupil dilation, and drowsiness patterns. Unlike the breathalyzer ignition interlocks from DUI convictions, these systems operate passively—no blowing required. Your car simply watches and decides whether you’re fit to drive.

If the AI determines you’re impaired (blood alcohol ≥0.08% or showing fatigue), it can prevent ignition startup or limit vehicle speed. Think Minority Report, but for your morning commute.

How about just detecting whether the driver is texting?

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Shallow_wanderer@reddit

I'm going to meticuously maintain my first-gen Toyota Sequoia for the rest of my life at this rate holy shit

All this technological bullshit is making cars age like crap and become disposable after a few years, and we're already seeing this with Fisker Karmas and early Tesla's now that those cars are hitting 10-15 years old

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RacerM53@reddit

Old cars are always better

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Fred2p1u@reddit

Nearly all new cars are equipped with an Event Data Recorder (EDR), often referred to as a "black box". Mandated in new vehicles since 2014

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TrooperGary@reddit

More reason to buy used

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fiddlythingsATX@reddit

Terrible title - the law has zero surveillance aspect whatsoever, it has to be local to the vehicle.

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Beautiful_Jaguar_413@reddit

It'll have to work where there's no cell service, which is a positive from a security perspective: All processing can be done locally.

But if the car phones home when back in cell range, then I hate this!

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