I tried it just maybe an hour ago on my kubuntu 25.10 laptop. I had to use the '-d' flag to force it, otherwise do-release-upgrade said there was no update, but so far so good! I had to manually re-install libfuse for one of my appimage apps to work, but not a huge deal.
You can force the upgrade, but it's not recommended. Upgrading from one release to another is a fragile process, especially when it's a 2 year gap in software.
Canonical will begin to offer the option once 26.04.1 releases.
The upgrade process being fragile is the one thing that got me to go with rolling releases over stable releases. Getting a kernel panic after an upgrade for no reason is just a lot more draining on my patience than getting the occasional kernel bug like not being able to launch flatpaks for a week.
Yes, but you'll have to manually initiate an upgrade for that. Canonical proposes upgrade for LTS distro after .1 release that should arrive in August or so.
Might not be a popular opinion these days but I am really glad there exists a distro like Ubuntu that provides a curated experience that just works out of the box. Hardware manufacturers and software developers formally test and certify it. For example, the new Framework 13 pro can be shipped with Ubuntu preinstalled as well as Lenovo Thinkpads, Dell, etc. Steam still only officially supports Ubuntu outside of Steam OS IIRC.
It is the defacto for AI, data science and other non-swe communities and increasingly popular server and cloud option. Snap gets a lot of hate but it has technical capabilities that flatpak doesn't (CLI programs, even being able to handle kernels, etc). The prepackaged rocm and cuda snaps and models is a great example of something other distros can't easily do. And they give free enterprise level features like live patching and security centre for individuals. The UX is comfortable for both windows and Mac users with their prepackaged and maintained gnome extensions that make gnome usable and familiar.
It provides great and flexible upgrade pattern with LTS with or without HWE and 6 month cadence.
For people that just want to get to work Ubuntu still is one of the best options. Looking forward to this release!
I'd believe you, because i do... but! What if i don't want to use snap? I'm not a enterprise user nor a server monkey. Ubuntu would be great if i could just... not use snap. Like an option, a flag or something.
Yeah Ubuntu is amazing. I'm mostly converting my personal infra to NixOS, but the few Ubuntu boxes and VMs I still run are rock solid and a bliss to configure and use.
Snap gets a lot of hate but it has technical capabilities that flatpak doesn't
Tbh, I think snap would've been far more accepted if it would've been built more open in mind and by not forcing users to use snap. For example I had a 24.10 install I lifted to 25.04 and it removed my explicitly installed firefox package during the update process and replaced it with the snap variant - even using all browser data in the progress.
This was just a testing system so I didn't really care about losing stuff here, but this kind of action really sours people.
That being happy, there are lots of interesting package upgrades in the LTS I'll be happy to see on my servers.
You also need to pin the Mozilla deb, otherwise it'll get replaced with a snap on an upgrade since 3rd-party repositories are automatically disabled during an upgrade/
Anyone with two brain cells would agree with you, and does who don’t would actually be doing the community a disservice…
You want/need an entry point to Linux that is semi-managed. And paid software can be great, and is great in many instances.
Everyone wants free software, almost none donate, even less contribute… ironically some of the most hostile and entitled users come at those that make free software…
Steam still only officially supports Ubuntu outside of Steam OS IIRC.
There is something ironic about the only distro that Valve officially supports not using (by default) that official package, and instead shipping a repackaged snap that Valve then asks people to please not use.
I'm someone who started off with slackware a long time ago. After moving to gentoo for years, playing with many different window managers, I switched to Ubuntu like 20 years ago and realized that I would rather just have something that works and doesn't take up my time. I also have a MacBook pro for that reason.
But I just hate that I can't get hardware accelerated video acceleration to work in snap Firefox. I've tried everything and it just doesn't work with Nvidia.
That's why I don't use snap Firefox.
In Steam snap, I can't click the menu again. I'm using DEB again, and I can click in the menu now.
That's about all that bothered me and I'm happy with the rest. I'm even using it without GNOME extensions for now.
The missing Google Drive will still freeze, but what can you do if it's not maintained.
slapped ubuntu on a brand new laptop (ryzen 350 npu) because :
a) oem windows 11 sucks, eats up ram and npu for copilot stuff I don't need, and the ui constantly lags on a NEW 8 CORE 32GB MACHINE, WTF. Slicing a partition for linux is faster and more painless than debloating.
b) as much as I don't like snaps, ubuntu lts and snap are the first target linux platforms for proprietary/third party stuff - lemonade server for instance is one click away and uses the npu with 0 config; compared to my fedora desktop which requires building packages - not that it's a major hassle, but is beat by a single click in the snap store.
I'm not swearing by it by any means, but I have to concede that it seems like the path of least resistance if you just want stuff to work ootb.
They are not that dramatically different in size. Ubuntu generally has more third party packages and guides for it, but Fedora is a generally second mentioned.
Fedora is also better at getting new software into the repos. Ubuntu and Debian tend to take a while.
I recommend checking out KUbuntu. You can install it in minimal mode to avoid Snap, and enable Flatpak. I consider it in many ways, the best of both worlds. KDE has probably the best overall desktop experience, especially for gaming, and you still get the six-month cadence of Ubuntu and all the system and driver support.
You don't really end up avoiding snaps even if you do minimum kubuntu, sure if you don't install anything else you may avoid snaps but the moment you start installing stuff, snaps will silently start installing themselves even if you stick to apt.
This is why if one wants kubuntu without snaps, closest thing is TuxedoOS, though there will likely be a month or so delay in getting it to version 26.04 but it still already has plasma 6 at very least.
the guides I've seen for removing Snap from Kubuntu have a couple of other steps to be done in the terminal, which doesn't take too long if you do it at the start.
That's true, but it's kind of a pain to remove. It's much easier when they're not there in the first place, and KDE's Discover package manager has single-click shortcuts to enable Flatpak and Flathub.
That's true, although I don't recommend that unless you're on specific hardware. Every release has been a welcome upgrade over the last few years. I'm very excited for 26.04, even though 25.10 has been great!
I'm on Kubuntu LTS and still deciding if I should go Interim. There are certainly some rough edges I experienced on those versions. Another problem is support, most documentations, including the course the I'm doing which made me migrate to Linux, only supports LTS. And lastly, there is an official Kubuntu Team PPA that enables tou to get the latest Plasma on LTS, maybe this is the most balanced approach for my situation.
I'm on the 26.04 Kubuntu with a minimal install. Working great on an HP EliteDesk 705 G4 Ryzen. Found all the drivers instantly and no bloat. I use flatpaks for a lot of my apps and those have installed just fine too.
Some time ago Ubuntu gave zero fucks about security.
Did that actually change?
https://ubuntu.com/security/CVE-2026-34078 is the second sandbox escape vulnerability in the same popular package already they ignore for weeks even though the fix is as easy as just copying the Debian package after being slow enough for that to be made from the upstream fix.
This made me really curious about what value they provide for the paid options when they perform worse than the free options.
Gating security updates behind a subscription is exclusive to Canonical.
RHEL doesn't make the packages with security updates public. You can get the
changes to the source from CentOSStream ... but the exact packages are not
available. And that is similarly true with Ubuntu for the Canonical updates to "Universe". The "community" security updates to "Universe" are available.
basic support for universe repo (90%+ of packages) is gated, that's atrocious
That's not quite true. Universe is supposed to be maintained by "the community". And "the community" doesn't seem to be on top of things. Any work that Canonical does on "Universe" is gated. Which, I should point out, means that distros downstream from Ubuntu (Mint, PopOS) are worse.
If you're not affected by the installer bugs, you can just grab the daily build (Workstation, KDE) and install that, as 44 is pretty much done otherwise.
But I think I’m going to wipe it and install Ubuntu 26.04 and use lots of snaps to see if there’s been any big improvements since I last tried. With the experimental permission prompting feature enabled, since that’s the most exciting thing it has over flatpak.
Currently with snap and flatpak, apps only have access to their folders (for flatpak, ~/.var/app/appID; for snap, ~/snap/appname) and places listed int he manifest (for flatpak, that may be host for entire drive, home for just home folder, or a specific folder like downloads; for snap, it's either home and/or all removable drives).
But snap has an experimental permission prompt feature. Rather than an app having access to home or removable drives at all, whenever it tries to access a location it does not have access to, a pop-up will appear asking whether to allow it access. There's a couple of options it shows. You can only give it access to access/write a specific file or to entire folders. There might be a time-based factor as well, but I might be misremembering.
But the important distinction here is that snap is allowing you to change these filesystem permissions at run-time. Prior to this, for snap and flatpak, you had to restart the app for it to get new permissions.
So this is an interactive permission component for snaps that aren't written to use portals??? Interesting. Did they change/adapt apparmor to be more interactive or was it implemented outside of apparmor?
Now we only need something like that for third party apps that are not available as snap. (And maybe someone who can confirm the sandbox holds if the software inside really pokes against it)
It's the first LTS release of Ubuntu that I'm not going to try. 24.04 was the straw the broke the camel's back. Clearly Ubuntu decided to become a corporate distro, I'm not going to fight it to make it work well on my personal computer. Debian forever.
I've been using Ubuntu Studio since 18.04 and I want off the platform. Thing is, I have a lot of commercial software. Not quite sure how I'm going to deal with this. Fedora? Arch? Debian? Not sure, but I want off Ubuntu for good.
I like Ubuntu because it's a corporate distro. Shit is guaranteed and often certified to work in a consistent way, people are paid to fix problems and their ass is on the line if it breaks.
I didn't mean corporate-backed, but that the target audience is corporations instead of individual users.
The last thing corporations want is for users to tinker with their OS. And for a good reason, it would quickly become an unmanageable mess. That's why for a long time snap didn't even allow you to control your updates.
For me that's a deal breaker, I had enough of Microsoft fucking up my computer, I'm not going to allow canonical to do the same.
Surprising as it sounds, it used to be a community distro. They used to even ask for donations when you downloaded the ISO.
I think it was about 10 years ago that they decided to focus on corporate users instead of individuals, and have since then developing the distro solely to satisfy corporate needs.
Honestly, I prefer it that way. There was a space for community Ubuntu when Debian was less accessible for the average user than it is today.
Linux still isn't really a first class citizen in enterprise environments, so having distros like Ubuntu paving that path will advance the Linux community as a whole by making it more worthwhile for software developers to support it, while Debian and the like continue being community driven at their hearts.
Ubuntu is not paving the way, we had corporate distros like Red Hat and Suse long before it.
But it's true, it's no great loss because we still have Debian to be the community distro, and if Ubuntu wrestles some corporations from the Windows stranglehold that's a win for everyone.
I was already unhappy with the whole snap situation getting always worse, but the specific trigger was the decision to restrict unprivileged user namespaces on the upgrade from 24.04 to 24.04.1. That broke several programs that I needed, like Calibre and VS Codium. And broke in the worst possible way, where they simply stop working without even giving an error message.
I researched the problem, and saw the Ubuntu devs saying they knew it would cause massive breakage but decided to go with it anyway. On a minor LTS update!
And that was it, such vandals cannot be in charge of my operating system.
I can handle things not working because of bugs or unfinished software. That's life. But things not working because devs intentionally made them stop working? You're right, that's Windows bullshit that we shouldn't tolerate.
What happened to the Ubuntu Core Desktop? Snap only immutable variant (like Fedora Silverblue/Kinoite). It was delayed in 2024 and haven’t seen anything about it ever since
prakash2033@reddit
Can one upgrade from 24.04.04 LTS to 26.04 LTS now?
ivosaurus@reddit
I would really wait a couple months...
ILKLU@reddit
This.
If you're concerned with stability (likely one of the main reasons you're on Ubuntu) then waiting a couple months before updating is important
Specialist-Paint8081@reddit
I think so, I did from 25.10
SunlightScribe@reddit
LTS releases get upgrades starting with
XX.YY.1whereas non-LTS get them starting fromXX.YY.0.So
25.10will see it, but24.04will not and that won't happen until August.bstock@reddit
I tried it just maybe an hour ago on my kubuntu 25.10 laptop. I had to use the '-d' flag to force it, otherwise do-release-upgrade said there was no update, but so far so good! I had to manually re-install libfuse for one of my appimage apps to work, but not a huge deal.
SunlightScribe@reddit
The roll out is phased and the downloads won't show until next week.
nobody-5890@reddit (OP)
You can force the upgrade, but it's not recommended. Upgrading from one release to another is a fragile process, especially when it's a 2 year gap in software.
Canonical will begin to offer the option once 26.04.1 releases.
Isofruit@reddit
The upgrade process being fragile is the one thing that got me to go with rolling releases over stable releases. Getting a kernel panic after an upgrade for no reason is just a lot more draining on my patience than getting the occasional kernel bug like not being able to launch flatpaks for a week.
Debisibusis@reddit
And one package that might have an issue every half a year, is a lot better than many packages and configs breaking at once.
You can also just revert your snapshot and update again in a few days on most Arch based distros OTB if you have issues.
*bian version upgrades have caused me many more issues than any Arch distro ever has.
akanosora@reddit
Yeah, I have been doing that from 16.04 days.
PraetorRU@reddit
Yes, but you'll have to manually initiate an upgrade for that. Canonical proposes upgrade for LTS distro after .1 release that should arrive in August or so.
mrtruthiness@reddit
You can (you need to add -d to do-release-upgrade), but it won't prompt until 26.04.1 is released in July (or Aug).
Honestly, I would wait until 26.04.1 unless there's something you need. I would at least wait a few weeks to see if there are any showstoppers.
leoumair@reddit
Might not be a popular opinion these days but I am really glad there exists a distro like Ubuntu that provides a curated experience that just works out of the box. Hardware manufacturers and software developers formally test and certify it. For example, the new Framework 13 pro can be shipped with Ubuntu preinstalled as well as Lenovo Thinkpads, Dell, etc. Steam still only officially supports Ubuntu outside of Steam OS IIRC.
It is the defacto for AI, data science and other non-swe communities and increasingly popular server and cloud option. Snap gets a lot of hate but it has technical capabilities that flatpak doesn't (CLI programs, even being able to handle kernels, etc). The prepackaged rocm and cuda snaps and models is a great example of something other distros can't easily do. And they give free enterprise level features like live patching and security centre for individuals. The UX is comfortable for both windows and Mac users with their prepackaged and maintained gnome extensions that make gnome usable and familiar.
It provides great and flexible upgrade pattern with LTS with or without HWE and 6 month cadence.
For people that just want to get to work Ubuntu still is one of the best options. Looking forward to this release!
Thermawrench@reddit
I'd believe you, because i do... but! What if i don't want to use snap? I'm not a enterprise user nor a server monkey. Ubuntu would be great if i could just... not use snap. Like an option, a flag or something.
ILKLU@reddit
alex2003super@reddit
Yeah Ubuntu is amazing. I'm mostly converting my personal infra to NixOS, but the few Ubuntu boxes and VMs I still run are rock solid and a bliss to configure and use.
leoumair@reddit
Awesome, my main complaint with Ubuntu is the lack of progress on the immutable front. Hopefully see some progress for the next LTS there...
ILKLU@reddit
how ironic
fearless-fossa@reddit
Tbh, I think snap would've been far more accepted if it would've been built more open in mind and by not forcing users to use snap. For example I had a 24.10 install I lifted to 25.04 and it removed my explicitly installed firefox package during the update process and replaced it with the snap variant - even using all browser data in the progress.
This was just a testing system so I didn't really care about losing stuff here, but this kind of action really sours people.
That being happy, there are lots of interesting package upgrades in the LTS I'll be happy to see on my servers.
Amphineura@reddit
Forcing users to use snap, and forcing updates on users out of the box.
That 'Close Firefox in 13 days' popup made my blood boil.
Resident-Cricket-710@reddit
if you want to run the deb version of firefox on ubuntu all you have to do is follow Mozillas directions and snap will not interfere with it.
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/install-firefox-linux#w_install-firefox-deb-package-for-debian-based-distributions-recommended
fearless-fossa@reddit
Those were exactly the steps I went through and
do-release-upgradestill ripped out the package and installed snap.visor841@reddit
You also need to pin the Mozilla deb, otherwise it'll get replaced with a snap on an upgrade since 3rd-party repositories are automatically disabled during an upgrade/
C0rn3j@reddit
If you have to use 3rd party repositories for even a browser, you ought to use some other distro in the first place.
Resident-Cricket-710@reddit
you dont have to, you can use the snap
this was a change that mozilla wanted.
https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/feature-freeze-exception-seeding-the-official-firefox-snap-in-ubuntu-desktop/24210
araujoms@reddit
That's a Canonical employee saying that Mozilla wanted it. I'd believe something that Mozilla itself said.
C0rn3j@reddit
And I presume Alphabet also REALLY wanted Chromium packaged as a snap instead of having it in distro repositories like normal?
Resident-Cricket-710@reddit
you can find out the answer to that question in the link i provided.
C0rn3j@reddit
Is this AI generated? Flatpak absolutely supports CLI programs.
pie_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_@reddit
It can but they're generally not on flathub
leoumair@reddit
No, it isn't AI generated, but feel free to run it through a checker if you wish.
At least from what I've seen most immutable distros like ublue ship homebrew for CLI apps.
manny2206@reddit
Anyone with two brain cells would agree with you, and does who don’t would actually be doing the community a disservice…
You want/need an entry point to Linux that is semi-managed. And paid software can be great, and is great in many instances.
Everyone wants free software, almost none donate, even less contribute… ironically some of the most hostile and entitled users come at those that make free software…
/rant over
Saxasaurus@reddit
There is something ironic about the only distro that Valve officially supports not using (by default) that official package, and instead shipping a repackaged snap that Valve then asks people to please not use.
cookiemonster1020@reddit
I'm someone who started off with slackware a long time ago. After moving to gentoo for years, playing with many different window managers, I switched to Ubuntu like 20 years ago and realized that I would rather just have something that works and doesn't take up my time. I also have a MacBook pro for that reason.
Upstairs-Comb1631@reddit
I know it's disrespectful to the developers.
But I just hate that I can't get hardware accelerated video acceleration to work in snap Firefox. I've tried everything and it just doesn't work with Nvidia.
That's why I don't use snap Firefox.
In Steam snap, I can't click the menu again. I'm using DEB again, and I can click in the menu now.
That's about all that bothered me and I'm happy with the rest. I'm even using it without GNOME extensions for now.
The missing Google Drive will still freeze, but what can you do if it's not maintained.
ScootSchloingo@reddit
I'm so impatient with Fedora 44 being delayed yet again that I'm considering going with Ubuntu.
Anonymo@reddit
Not worth changing. Stay on Fedora. No snaps.
Honest_Box_6037@reddit
slapped ubuntu on a brand new laptop (ryzen 350 npu) because :
a) oem windows 11 sucks, eats up ram and npu for copilot stuff I don't need, and the ui constantly lags on a NEW 8 CORE 32GB MACHINE, WTF. Slicing a partition for linux is faster and more painless than debloating.
b) as much as I don't like snaps, ubuntu lts and snap are the first target linux platforms for proprietary/third party stuff - lemonade server for instance is one click away and uses the npu with 0 config; compared to my fedora desktop which requires building packages - not that it's a major hassle, but is beat by a single click in the snap store.
I'm not swearing by it by any means, but I have to concede that it seems like the path of least resistance if you just want stuff to work ootb.
DayInfinite8322@reddit
atleast ubuntu have massive repos so most native packages are available in repos, fedora repos are small, and we need to use flatpaks.
and for me their is no difference between flatpak and snap.
nobody-5890@reddit (OP)
They are not that dramatically different in size. Ubuntu generally has more third party packages and guides for it, but Fedora is a generally second mentioned.
Fedora is also better at getting new software into the repos. Ubuntu and Debian tend to take a while.
somethingrelevant@reddit
are the fedora repos small? I mean the official ones are for sure but I just assumed rpmfusion was part and parcel
Vector-Zero@reddit
Snap alone is 60% of why I loathe Ubuntu.
omniuni@reddit
I recommend checking out KUbuntu. You can install it in minimal mode to avoid Snap, and enable Flatpak. I consider it in many ways, the best of both worlds. KDE has probably the best overall desktop experience, especially for gaming, and you still get the six-month cadence of Ubuntu and all the system and driver support.
KnowZeroX@reddit
You don't really end up avoiding snaps even if you do minimum kubuntu, sure if you don't install anything else you may avoid snaps but the moment you start installing stuff, snaps will silently start installing themselves even if you stick to apt.
This is why if one wants kubuntu without snaps, closest thing is TuxedoOS, though there will likely be a month or so delay in getting it to version 26.04 but it still already has plasma 6 at very least.
80espiay@reddit
the guides I've seen for removing Snap from Kubuntu have a couple of other steps to be done in the terminal, which doesn't take too long if you do it at the start.
PraetorRU@reddit
Nobody stops you from avoiding snaps and installing flatpak in default Ubuntu.
omniuni@reddit
That's true, but it's kind of a pain to remove. It's much easier when they're not there in the first place, and KDE's Discover package manager has single-click shortcuts to enable Flatpak and Flathub.
PraetorRU@reddit
There's no real need to remove snapd. You may just not use snaps if you really don't want to.
araujoms@reddit
Canonical does. They want to make sure things break if you avoid snaps: https://www.theregister.com/2025/11/03/canonical_jon_seager_qa/
PraetorRU@reddit
This article has nothing to do with what I wrote.
lKrauzer@reddit
You also get the option to stick with LTS if you don't want the absolute latest Plasma like on Fedora.
omniuni@reddit
That's true, although I don't recommend that unless you're on specific hardware. Every release has been a welcome upgrade over the last few years. I'm very excited for 26.04, even though 25.10 has been great!
lKrauzer@reddit
I'm on Kubuntu LTS and still deciding if I should go Interim. There are certainly some rough edges I experienced on those versions. Another problem is support, most documentations, including the course the I'm doing which made me migrate to Linux, only supports LTS. And lastly, there is an official Kubuntu Team PPA that enables tou to get the latest Plasma on LTS, maybe this is the most balanced approach for my situation.
hifidood@reddit
I'm on the 26.04 Kubuntu with a minimal install. Working great on an HP EliteDesk 705 G4 Ryzen. Found all the drivers instantly and no bloat. I use flatpaks for a lot of my apps and those have installed just fine too.
ScootSchloingo@reddit
I usually use the KDE spin of Fedora to begin with.
omniuni@reddit
You'd feel right at home then. And KUbuntu has a very nice default setup.
C0rn3j@reddit
Which software do you need from 44 so badly you'd rather use an OS that requires an account with a subscription active for full security updates?
sylvester_0@reddit
Huh? I thought only their live kernel patching and extended support for ancient versions was paid/account gated.
C0rn3j@reddit
extended support for core repo is gated, that's fine.
basic support for universe repo (90%+ of packages) is gated, that's atrocious.
sylvester_0@reddit
Seems like that's an extra layer of support and the basic updates channel is how most distros operate.
https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/10qbvg2/the_following_security_updates_require_ubuntu_pro/
C0rn3j@reddit
It's security updates.
Some time ago Ubuntu gave zero fucks about security.
That does not make gating security updates behind a subscription ANY better.
Gating security updates behind a subscription is exclusive to Canonical.
No other distribution does this.
AntLive9218@reddit
Did that actually change?
https://ubuntu.com/security/CVE-2026-34078 is the second sandbox escape vulnerability in the same popular package already they ignore for weeks even though the fix is as easy as just copying the Debian package after being slow enough for that to be made from the upstream fix.
This made me really curious about what value they provide for the paid options when they perform worse than the free options.
mrtruthiness@reddit
RHEL doesn't make the packages with security updates public. You can get the changes to the source from CentOSStream ... but the exact packages are not available. And that is similarly true with Ubuntu for the Canonical updates to "Universe". The "community" security updates to "Universe" are available.
C0rn3j@reddit
Doesn't RHEL need an account to be used in the first place?
I have to admit I haven't touched RHEL in a long while.
mrtruthiness@reddit
Yes. But you can get it free for personal use. Just like Ubuntu Pro.
ChrisTX4@reddit
Sort of, you need to register with Red hat subscription manager and of course have a valid licence attached to the account.
mrtruthiness@reddit
That's not quite true. Universe is supposed to be maintained by "the community". And "the community" doesn't seem to be on top of things. Any work that Canonical does on "Universe" is gated. Which, I should point out, means that distros downstream from Ubuntu (Mint, PopOS) are worse.
C0rn3j@reddit
"the community" is Canonical in a trench coat.
Nobody but Canonical has control over the universe repo.
Yuuup.
Wonderful-Citron-678@reddit
It’s a nice GNOME update, like VRR support.
toolschism@reddit
Certainly a choice.
gmes78@reddit
If you're not affected by the installer bugs, you can just grab the daily build (Workstation, KDE) and install that, as 44 is pretty much done otherwise.
10leej@reddit
I'd rather Fedora be delayed because they want to fix a bug vs Ubuntu which releases no matter what.
nobody-5890@reddit (OP)
The Fedora 44 beta has been going well for me.
But I think I’m going to wipe it and install Ubuntu 26.04 and use lots of snaps to see if there’s been any big improvements since I last tried. With the experimental permission prompting feature enabled, since that’s the most exciting thing it has over flatpak.
mrtruthiness@reddit
What is this?
nobody-5890@reddit (OP)
Currently with snap and flatpak, apps only have access to their folders (for flatpak, ~/.var/app/appID; for snap, ~/snap/appname) and places listed int he manifest (for flatpak, that may be host for entire drive, home for just home folder, or a specific folder like downloads; for snap, it's either home and/or all removable drives).
But snap has an experimental permission prompt feature. Rather than an app having access to home or removable drives at all, whenever it tries to access a location it does not have access to, a pop-up will appear asking whether to allow it access. There's a couple of options it shows. You can only give it access to access/write a specific file or to entire folders. There might be a time-based factor as well, but I might be misremembering.
But the important distinction here is that snap is allowing you to change these filesystem permissions at run-time. Prior to this, for snap and flatpak, you had to restart the app for it to get new permissions.
Wonderful-Citron-678@reddit
To be clear, flatpak has supported this for many years.
mrtruthiness@reddit
Thanks!
So this is an interactive permission component for snaps that aren't written to use portals??? Interesting. Did they change/adapt apparmor to be more interactive or was it implemented outside of apparmor?
nobody-5890@reddit (OP)
Yup this is being done with AppArmor. I believe it's just adding these file permission rules to the app armor profile for the snap.
shroddy@reddit
Now we only need something like that for third party apps that are not available as snap. (And maybe someone who can confirm the sandbox holds if the software inside really pokes against it)
odsquad64@reddit
Time to start thinking about upgrading my server from 20.04.6
no-more-nazis@reddit
Why, did it stop working?
odsquad64@reddit
Just blind hope that an upgrade will make some of the issues that have cropped up over the years go away.
TheG0AT0fAllTime@reddit
Reporting them helps with that.
odsquad64@reddit
Nah it's all weird shit no one else has problems with
TheG0AT0fAllTime@reddit
Sigh.
araujoms@reddit
It's the first LTS release of Ubuntu that I'm not going to try. 24.04 was the straw the broke the camel's back. Clearly Ubuntu decided to become a corporate distro, I'm not going to fight it to make it work well on my personal computer. Debian forever.
ParanoidFactoid@reddit
I've been using Ubuntu Studio since 18.04 and I want off the platform. Thing is, I have a lot of commercial software. Not quite sure how I'm going to deal with this. Fedora? Arch? Debian? Not sure, but I want off Ubuntu for good.
alex2003super@reddit
I like Ubuntu because it's a corporate distro. Shit is guaranteed and often certified to work in a consistent way, people are paid to fix problems and their ass is on the line if it breaks.
egorf@reddit
Yeah sure especially rust coreutils. Surely they work in a consistent way.
araujoms@reddit
I didn't mean corporate-backed, but that the target audience is corporations instead of individual users.
The last thing corporations want is for users to tinker with their OS. And for a good reason, it would quickly become an unmanageable mess. That's why for a long time snap didn't even allow you to control your updates.
For me that's a deal breaker, I had enough of Microsoft fucking up my computer, I'm not going to allow canonical to do the same.
alex2003super@reddit
Either. Both. If a B2B distro with support and extensive testing is what you want, the B2B distro of excellence is Ubuntu.
DayInfinite8322@reddit
when was ubuntu community distro?
canonical pay engineers to work, for that they need money.
araujoms@reddit
Surprising as it sounds, it used to be a community distro. They used to even ask for donations when you downloaded the ISO.
I think it was about 10 years ago that they decided to focus on corporate users instead of individuals, and have since then developing the distro solely to satisfy corporate needs.
fearless-fossa@reddit
Honestly, I prefer it that way. There was a space for community Ubuntu when Debian was less accessible for the average user than it is today.
Linux still isn't really a first class citizen in enterprise environments, so having distros like Ubuntu paving that path will advance the Linux community as a whole by making it more worthwhile for software developers to support it, while Debian and the like continue being community driven at their hearts.
araujoms@reddit
Ubuntu is not paving the way, we had corporate distros like Red Hat and Suse long before it.
But it's true, it's no great loss because we still have Debian to be the community distro, and if Ubuntu wrestles some corporations from the Windows stranglehold that's a win for everyone.
snoopyt7@reddit
genuine question, what specific things made you switch?
araujoms@reddit
I was already unhappy with the whole snap situation getting always worse, but the specific trigger was the decision to restrict unprivileged user namespaces on the upgrade from 24.04 to 24.04.1. That broke several programs that I needed, like Calibre and VS Codium. And broke in the worst possible way, where they simply stop working without even giving an error message.
I researched the problem, and saw the Ubuntu devs saying they knew it would cause massive breakage but decided to go with it anyway. On a minor LTS update!
And that was it, such vandals cannot be in charge of my operating system.
xxxsirkillalot@reddit
I left windows to escape them after all!!
araujoms@reddit
I can handle things not working because of bugs or unfinished software. That's life. But things not working because devs intentionally made them stop working? You're right, that's Windows bullshit that we shouldn't tolerate.
snoopyt7@reddit
fair enough, thank you
bdzz@reddit
What happened to the Ubuntu Core Desktop? Snap only immutable variant (like Fedora Silverblue/Kinoite). It was delayed in 2024 and haven’t seen anything about it ever since
https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/02/ubuntu-core-desktop-delayed/
sidusnare@reddit
RFK Jr approves
no-more-nazis@reddit
Quick, everyone else except for me, upgrade right away!
Bubby_K@reddit
blows dust off a spare computer
I'll send in this poor bastard to take one for the team
broknbottle@reddit
If you run postgresql, probably want to avoid until something is figured out.
https://www.phoronix.com/news/Linux-7.0-AWS-PostgreSQL-Drop
FaulesArschloch@reddit
I honestly can't deal with the different shades of grey they use in the dark mode
ipsirc@reddit
Show the new wallpaper ASAP!
cdn-sysadmin@reddit
Farados55@reddit
I thought they were named after toy story characters
Glitch-v0@reddit
I have been on 26.04 (beta? Not sure what the correct term is) for around a month or so now. It has been a good experience.