Cartel war takes surprising turn as CIA involvement in Mexico surfaces
Posted by BendicantMias@reddit | anime_titties | View on Reddit | 139 comments
Posted by BendicantMias@reddit | anime_titties | View on Reddit | 139 comments
Advanced-Net-8119@reddit
I support CIA operation against the cartels, they harm everyone involved whether it be Americans suffering at the hands for drugs or Mexican citizens dealing with their oppressive antics
dassketch@reddit
You sweet summer child. CIA is how the paramilitary cartels came to power to start with. Along with literally every other terrorist organization/government in the world. Taliban? CIA funded and supported during the Soviet era. Current Iranian regime? Literally a direct consequence of CIA meddling. Maduro? Fucking around with Chavez and basically laid the ground work for whoever was anti American. The only thing CIA foreign policy has achieved after WW2 is the creation of enemies abroad who specifically hate America because of what the CIA has done.
Advanced-Net-8119@reddit
yeah those where all mistakes, the benefit of hindsight can do alot to improve tactical decisions. Still i support us trying to operate agaisnt the cartel despite these mistakes
dassketch@reddit
The "benefit of hindsight" should have been "maybe not overthrow a democratically elected government because the money said to do so". You know, the thing that the American government has been doing since nuking Japan?
The other "benefit of hindsight" could also be "we've done this for several decades and it hasn't failed to burn us yet".
Our taxes are spent to prop up dictators so we can send our children to kill their children. And then their grandchildren will take revenge on our grandchildren so we can do it all over again. All so a handful of people can be rich beyond imagination.
Advanced-Net-8119@reddit
i dont think its that simple. THere are times when our interventions have brough genuine good for countries, saving them from oppressive governments. Look at Korea, Desert storm, Operation Urgent Fury. Im not going to defend what we did in iran in 1953. But Chavez was an authorities dictator, for example. Alot of our actions that turned out to be mistakes where more than just us invading a country because they had oil or something.
Citizenshoop@reddit
Hoo boy you should probably take the time to learn some postwar Korean history.
Advanced-Net-8119@reddit
Despite the growing pains, they are not a functioning democoracy with an advanced economy, all because WE interveinved. North Korea on the other hand...
Citizenshoop@reddit
You mean DESPITE the fact that the US intervened. You don't get to take credit for a country being a democracy when you actively tried to stop that country from being a democracy.
The people of South Korea are in the position they're in because they resisted US intervention, not because of it.
Advanced-Net-8119@reddit
Yeah they where able to fight it because we saved them from the communists. We get to take credit for that.
Citizenshoop@reddit
The only reason there was even a split in the first place was because the US decided they weren't allowed to have elections after WW2. Again, you don't get to create a problem for a country then take credit for solving it. Without US intervention Korea would be unified.
And you especially dont get to take credit for a country's democracy after helping murder their pro-democracy activists.
Advanced-Net-8119@reddit
Yeah, without our intervention they would be unified under the kim dynasty. But because we intervened they are an advanced democracy. South Korea being the country it is today is hinged entirely on the fact we decided to intervene when the north invaded. Despite the fact that we supported dictators after that, we get to take credit for the country that they are now, as without our direct action and sacrifice, they would be living under the kims.
Citizenshoop@reddit
No. They would have been unified under either Kim Gu or Lyuh Woon Hyung. Once again I would like to request that you stop speaking confidently about history that you don't understand. The American education system has failed you.
Advanced-Net-8119@reddit
THe USSR were the ones who were suppressing the election, they would not let UN officials come into North Korea to facilitate a fair election. Instead they held a rigged election, sending ballots out to only a select few, choosing Kim as the leader of the country. Kim was not a nobody before we came in, he was a popular guerrilla fighter against the Japanese, which is why the Soviets chose him to lead the country. We in the south on the other hand managed to hold a fair election.
I'm not sure why you are trying to act like USSR based forces where trying to unify the whole country while the south opposed, in fact it was the opposite. We wanted to hold nationwide elections, and fearing that the Koreans would vote in favor of the west, the USSR blocked them.
As for Lyuh Woon and Kim gu, Lyuh Woon was assassinated before the elections even took place, and Kim Gu boycotted them in protest of the division and was later assassinated in 1949. Neither of them were in any position to lead the country to be unified.
Citizenshoop@reddit
You're talking about 1947, which is several years after everything I described. Lyuh was establishing an interim unified democratic coalition government as PRK in 1945, which the US declared illegitimate because they wanted the North and South occupation zone system because they wouldn't accept anything less than an authoritarian puppet government in control, even at the cost of giving the North to the USSR.
The 1947 elections were a sham intended to keep fascist Syngman Rhee in power in the south as a US puppet, leasing to widespread boycotts by pretty much all the established figures who were pushing for Korean unification.
And when I say Kim was a nobody. I mean he was 5th or 6th in line had the 1945 PRK not been sabotaged by the US military occupation. You tried to argue he would have been in charge if the unified gov't. Was allowed to be built, which is just a terrible misunderstanding of history.
In fact. I promise you literally only learned any of the names of people involved
Advanced-Net-8119@reddit
My bad i thought you were talking about events directly preceding the korean war.
As for the events that occurred right after WW2, I will concede that we had a quite heavy handed approach when it came to managing Korea, and some of the stuff we did was wrong. However, what the argument was originally about was whether South Korea owed its existence today as a free democratic nation to us, and I still maintain the opinion that they did despite our mistakes in the region.
Citizenshoop@reddit
And my point still stands that the Korean people were Ready to build their own democratic government and the US deliberately refused it to them.
Advanced-Net-8119@reddit
There were already thousands of red army soldiers pouring into North Korea after WW2. If we hadn’t done anything, the entire peninsula would have fallen under the control of a communist dictatorship, not some homegrown Korean democratic government. The ones you brought up previously would not have been able to stand up to the USSR, and so the 38th parallel was a diplomatic move to stop the soviets from taking over the country and turning it into an authoritarian dictatorship.
North Korea being the country it is today is not our fault, that is the result of 80 years of bad policies on the part of the DPRK. The part we can take credit for, is the fact that the DPRK is not in control of the whole peninsula.
Here is the way I see it: If the US had done nothing, instead electing the Koreans to try to create a government of their own without our interference, then the whole country would have fallen under some communist dictatorship rule with the support of the USSR. Look at eastern europe to see what happens to homegrown democratic movements in the face of the USSR. Instead, we decided to do what we could to try and maintain an anti communist government, even if much like the USSR we supported dictatorships that suppressed personal liberties. As a result of our decision to try and intervene, South Korea exists today as a free democratic country. I'm not gonna try and pretend we were doing it for the right reasons, much like other times in history we did not shy away from propping up and supporting dictators as long as they were useful to us. However, unlike some of those other instances throughout history, the alternative to the dictator we supported was another dictatorship in communist flavor, not a homegrown democracy. Thats why im willing to defend our actions in Korea, but not something like what we did in Iran in the 1950s
Professional-Syrup-0@reddit
This is the same kind of nonsense Bush Junior already peddled to invade Iraq and Afghanistan, claiming how those countries would become the next Germany and Japan.
Because everybody knows Germany and Japan are only what they are because of America, not anything German or Japanese people did..
dassketch@reddit
You mean where the US supported a series of military dictators because anything was better than the Communist boogeyman? Very democracy, much freedom 🙄
One of the few actual wins. And solely because Bush #1 had the "wisdom" to stop at the declared goal of liberating Kuwait. His advisors explicitly told him not to drive to Baghdad depose Saddam, because they knew what would happen. Which we found out in spades when daddy's boy Bush #2 undid all of that with a boneheaded invasion. We're still paying for that "deBa'athication" fiasco. That's a not failure at best.
On October 28, 1983, three days after the invasion, the U.N. Security Council by a vote of 11 to one failed to pass a resolution "deeply deploring" the invasion, calling it a "flagrant violation of international law" (the United States vetoed the resolution).The United Nations General Assembly condemned it as "a flagrant violation of international law" on 2 November 1983, by a vote of 108 to 9. That sure sounds like a great thing...
Advanced-Net-8119@reddit
Despite the growing pains of the various dictators that where in power in korea, they are now an advanced 1st world democoracy with a modern advanced economy. This is all because we interveined to DEFEND them from the norths invasion. HAd we not, the entire peninsula might still be locked to the communist dictatorship that North Korea is suffering under.
I dont care what the UN says, Urgent Fury was a short operation where we quickly swooped into a country experiencing internal conflict that was sliding into military dictatorship, and restored democracy. We did'nt stay longer than we probably should have like afganistan, It was a just and succesful operation.
Professional-Syrup-0@reddit
You took over an occupation established by Imperial Japan, but instead of actually liberating Koreans, and letting them decide about their future, you just drew an arbitrary line across Korea and declared the southern half yours.
Any Koreans that had a problem with that were put into literally concentration camps, where under supervision of US soldiers hundreds of thousands of Koreans were massacred.
That was the context and sole reason for Korean people to attack a Southern regime that was entirely propped up by foreign military force that was never bothered by using violence to force themselves upon Koreans.
That is just more of the same nonsense Cold War “domino theory” that was also responsible for the Vietnam war.
Why do you think you have any right to decide how Koreans govern themselves, who made you king of the world?
Advanced-Net-8119@reddit
We did not just arbitrarily draw a line across the peninsula. That was an agreement we had with the USSR; It was not some sort of land grab. In fact, it was the north koreans looking for the lang grab. THe invasion was not some sort of response to injustice by the korean people,By the way, the USSR did the exact same thing we did in the north, picking Kim il sung as the leader of the country. Rhee regime was 100% a brutal evil regime, but so was kim il sung at the same time. Both the USA and the USSR installed brutal oppressive regimes, difference is, that north korea actually wanted to invade.
Another thing, the South was not "propped up" By the US. In 1950 we had almost no troops in the south. Thats why the northern invasion was so succesful initially. If they where just a puppet regime then why did the south korean government not completely collapse when they where invaded with limited foreign support?
Professional-Syrup-0@reddit
Did you ever bother to actually look?
Advanced-Net-8119@reddit
I meant as in, they are currently an advanced economy with a functioning democoracy.
bradicality@reddit
ain't no way someone is this gullible. this is pathetic, dawg
Advanced-Net-8119@reddit
mistakes as in we should not have done them? How did you interpret my comment?
-ApocalypsePopcorn-@reddit
A mistake is generally interpreted as something that goes wrong despite good intentions.
That's not what this is.
Professional-Syrup-0@reddit
Rule number 5 of war propaganda:
-ApocalypsePopcorn-@reddit
Fuck me that's so on-point.
Advanced-Net-8119@reddit
Isn't it? we are fighting the cartels
-ApocalypsePopcorn-@reddit
Is that what the CIA is doing?
Or are they continuing a century-long campaign of disruption and instability from Tijuana to the Falkland Islands to vouchsafe continued access for US business interests to exploitable resources and workforces, and to ensure the hegemony of the USA's imperial tentacles?
Advanced-Net-8119@reddit
no they're fighting the cartels
-ApocalypsePopcorn-@reddit
My mistake.
dassketch@reddit
Just one more democracy overthrow bro. I swear this is different bro. Trust me bro. It'll work this time bro.
Funny thing is, when you read various declassified memos, it basically reads just like this 😂😭
ActualSpiders@reddit
Just reading about how badly the CIA fucked up in South America should put any sane person off the wagon of trusting them to do govt influence forever. Then tell them how the CIA is the reason Iran is run by the people it's run by today...
AstroNards@reddit
Fucking up is an odd way to put it. They got Arbenz and Allende. They got a continent to run as a laboratory for ages. I'm sure it was all worth it from their point of view, except the playa girón attack
ActualSpiders@reddit
Well, if you ignore the hundreds of millions of people left in poverty and oppression for generations, and all the grotesque human rights violations by the corporations and dictators we put in charge. But yeah - the people that did it all 100% consider that acceptable collateral damage.
AlwaysPetTheBelly99@reddit
Seriously, once you actually start reading history most of America's 'intelligence' operations are failures. Especially when you consider the CIA knew trump raped children and decided to do nothing about it
PeeFingerz@reddit
It’s because we don’t hear about the successes. I def think they’ve always been into some shady shit, but also probably have a shit ton of big accomplishments that we’ll never know about.
dassketch@reddit
Huuuuge successes, the best. All the successes agree that we have the best successes. We just can't tell you be it's all classified. Nevermind that out failures were supposed to be classified too. They were just such colossal fuck ups that everyone knows it was us fucking it up. But trust me bro, my successes are definitely real and definitely the best!
half-baked_axx@reddit
The US keeps Mexico unstable. Makes it easier to control. That's literally it.
Advanced-Net-8119@reddit
how so
Professional-Syrup-0@reddit
For one by flooding it with military grade weapons to a degree were poorly funded Mexican cops have to fight against cartels armed with top notch modern weaponry at military scales.
And then when people flee from all that violence created with American weapons, and CIA dollars, Americans complain about “shotholes” and “lazy immigrants” because most of them can’t even put the simplest 1+1 together.
Advanced-Net-8119@reddit
aside from that botched ATF operation thats just not true. WHy would we ever want the cartels to be stronger anyway?
NeoLephty@reddit
I support arresting people that break laws of any kind. Like impersonating a police officer, for example.
Advanced-Net-8119@reddit
we are doing it for good though
Professional-Syrup-0@reddit
It’s insane how many Americans haven’t had their “Are we the baddies?” moment yet..
Advanced-Net-8119@reddit
its more nuanced than that, we have been the baddies before for sure, its not black and white
NeoLephty@reddit
Dressing up a couple of agents to cos-play during an already ongoing operation and provide no intel, weapons, or communication while also breaking the local laws and pissing off a strong international partner?
I would argue that the intent was not to help take down the cartel - you do that with cooperation and partnership. My assumption - and obviously it is JUST an assumption - is they want to be able to take credit for helping take down the cartel even though they did nothing but break local laws. Propaganda, to me, is not doing it for good.
"Doing it for good" is also a 1) arbitrary and 2) meaningless when discussing laws. Robbing a bank and giving money to poor people is doing it for good - still illegal and you will go to jail. I'm sure someone who murders the CEO of a healthcare company thinks they are doing it for good (and based on the publics reaction when it happened, many agree) - Luigi is still on trial for murder.
Need to be consistent. Laws for everyone or just for some?
Advanced-Net-8119@reddit
yeah these are fair points I concede
Toomanyeastereggs@reddit
I fully support my countries intelligence agencies working covertly in the United States to combat the spread of illegal arms, slave and children trafficking that originates from there and harms the citizens of not just my country, but other countries worldwide. I also fully support the work of other countries, such as the Chinese government, do in combating the financial and military crimes currently being perpetrated worldwide by the regime of the United States.
See how that works.
Advanced-Net-8119@reddit
Ok i mean you guys can try if you want, but do you guys even have an intelligence service?
1mp3rf3c7@reddit
They already are. Lots of news about it.
Advanced-Net-8119@reddit
I cant find anything about australian CIA operating in the US
Professional-Syrup-0@reddit
That’s because your CIA is so awesome that they did it to Australia first.
So now it’s your turn to go “Australia is only what it is because of American nation building!”, as you keep doing with basically any US foreign policy”intervention” that didn’t result in total catastrophe.
Advanced-Net-8119@reddit
did we? I have not been able to find any confirmed source that we actually did this. If we did though, then it was wrong of us.
1mp3rf3c7@reddit
"I also fully support the work of other countries, such as the Chinese government"
Advanced-Net-8119@reddit
what?
Toomanyeastereggs@reddit
Funnily enough we do. They jointly run the service that allows your subs to talk back to home.
Advanced-Net-8119@reddit
fair play then, yeah you guys can try and work covertly in us if you want. I really dont have the authority to say yes or no to you anway, but just be warned if you try expect a covert response.
JeebusDaves@reddit
Continuing the failed war on drugs is preferable to solving the underlying societal problems which allow the cartel to flourish. Gotcha.
Advanced-Net-8119@reddit
both is good
Professional_Fix4593@reddit
You quite literally can’t do both
Advanced-Net-8119@reddit
Cant you? Weakening the cartel with ground operations whilst also trying to limit the impact of drugs in the US through various programs? THats how i interpreted it anyway
nosmigon@reddit
You are so naive if you think that anything the CIA is doing will actually weaken the cartel. Its a hydra, someone will always replace those people taken out. Americs created cartels by making these drugs illegal in the first place
Advanced-Net-8119@reddit
I doubt we are just taking out lower members, hopefuly the higher ups too
nosmigon@reddit
Ok I dont think you get it. How many times, historically have the removed the higher ups and the whole cartel collapsed? Think of all the big drug lords taken down over the years.. the only thing that has happened is the drugs trade has got bigger and even more entrenched. They only recently just killed one of the cartel bosses. Guess what happened next. They got replaced. It doesnt matter how many you kill. The system stays the same. Surely you might wonder if this is by design? America knows it can not stop the drugs trade unless it legalised and regulates it. You sound very naive
Advanced-Net-8119@reddit
surely it still must disrupt their operation
Professional-Syrup-0@reddit
Advanced-Net-8119@reddit
it still beleive it helps
pickllerickk@reddit
Can the Mexican intelligence agents run covert operations to fix your country then?
munoodle@reddit
Nah they can’t even properly run covert operations to fix their own country, a little more experience and then yeah we can see what happens
Professional-Syrup-0@reddit
What a weird thing trying to flex with, do you also brag about American Police killing more people than most other police forces?
BlinkerPhluid@reddit
No we only allow mossad to do that.
BThasTBinFiji@reddit
You seem to be letting the Russians do it too
Checked_Out_6@reddit
Yes, that what he said, Mossad
steauengeglase@reddit
I'm willing to roll those dice.
Empty-Development298@reddit
They can try, but I don't think they have the resources for it. Either way I'd take no issue with them handling say 45
CrabUser@reddit
Agent John Mexico isnt familier with the US bribery system which uses kids instead of drug or money.
He gonna blow his cover in 2 days and be put in great danger by the Mossad.
Bobsothethird@reddit
If they were invited to join, of course. Joint operations are incredibly common.
wookEluv@reddit
Can they get us some unredacted Epstein files?
kolitics@reddit
Where do you think they operate? North Korea?
Outrageous_Joke4349@reddit
I mean, if they were for instance, working with the texas government, probably?
Bowman_van_Oort@reddit
Honestly, what damage could they possibly do to us that we haven't already done to ourselves?
RisingDeadMan0@reddit
Keep the people who play ball alive, and so securing their slush fund...
CIA come under DoD? aka cant pass an audit
YukariYakum0@reddit
They could take our cocaine.
Oh wait.
nuclearbearclaw@reddit
Fuck it, why not. We already got Israeli and Russian agents doing it to fuck our country.
burgonies@reddit
You think they don’t?
Advanced-Net-8119@reddit
If they want then sure they can try. Thats what intelligence agencies are for right?
dabhard22@reddit
Operation Fast and Furious was a failed 2009–2010 ATF investigation where federal agents allowed roughly 2,000 firearms to be illegally purchased and "walk" to Mexican drug cartels to track them. The strategy backfired when tracking failed, and the guns were used in crimes.
Citizens wouldn't have to worry if the ATF didn't arm the cartels in the first place.
Advanced-Net-8119@reddit
Dont try and pretend the ATF is where the cartels got their pwoer. That was a mishap to be sure, hopefully not to be repeated.
Professional_Fix4593@reddit
You’re incredibly naive if you believe that such occurrences were a one off “mistake”
Advanced-Net-8119@reddit
well, i beleive it was a mistake. Take that as you will.
Empty-Development298@reddit
Why do the Cartels have access to so many American-grade weapon systems like AR15s, .50 cal Barretts, and RPGs?
If its not US selling it to them, they're definitely getting them somehow. Arizona and Texas are the #2 and #1 weapon exporters to the US.
bradicality@reddit
are you a baby
Advanced-Net-8119@reddit
no
BeerTent@reddit
Yes. the world needs more Americans fucking up and around in other countries.
Stay in your lane.
Advanced-Net-8119@reddit
fucking around in other countries kind of is our lane not gonna lie. Has been since 1945
nosmigon@reddit
Yes and americans are actually proud of it. Its astounding really how propagandised you all are
Advanced-Net-8119@reddit
I feel like its every countries lane, pretty much every major country has a intelligence operation, trying to influence other countries to their favor. We are just alot better at it than everyone else.
NNKarma@reddit
So you're in support of regulating the kind of weaponry produced in the US that gets frequently smuggled to the cartels?
Advanced-Net-8119@reddit
no, in support of direct action against the cartells. You want us to stop selling cars in texas because the cartel steals a bunch of cars from there as well?
NNKarma@reddit
So you just enjoy making the problem worse. I'm not talking about stealing, nor completing banning, but I guess you're kind of people that both want to teach abstinence only sex education and lower the rate of teen pregnancy.
Advanced-Net-8119@reddit
I dont beleive direct action against the cartel makes the whole issue worse. Also, i support abortion plus more in depth sex ed so i have no idea what you are talking about
Lazy__Lefty@reddit
It just isn't an effective strategy though, like the rest of the war on drugs...
Advanced-Net-8119@reddit
even if its small, i think it helps
Lazy__Lefty@reddit
You "think" it helps.... that doesn't make it true lol
Advanced-Net-8119@reddit
yeah i know, im just saying why i support it
eternity_ender@reddit
Bro you watch waaaaay too much television if you think this is a good idea.
Advanced-Net-8119@reddit
probably
ChavoDemierda@reddit
You act like they're acting against the cartels. That's mighty sweet of you.
Advanced-Net-8119@reddit
arent they?
RisingDeadMan0@reddit
yeah... how else does the slush funds work lol
Tom_WhoCantLivewo12@reddit
The CIA operation that they caught was not going against the cartel, it’s spun to make the US look good
Advanced-Net-8119@reddit
What was it going against?
AlwaysPetTheBelly99@reddit
You mean the CIA? Because they tend to harm everyone involved as well. Remember, these are the people who were aware trump raped children and chose to do nothing.
kieranjackwilson@reddit
“The CIA is here to help” is a threat.
DifficultTraffic2186@reddit
I support spooks dying in the war against drugs, tale as old as time
morningsharts@reddit
They did great work in the middle east, after all. Nothing but peace and happiness.
Zemledeliye@reddit
The Monroe Doctrine in action, Americas goal with Latin America is keeping it poor, violent and fractured for easy resource extraction and human labour. They consider it their backyard.
America really is the worst, funding and arming cartel scum, if only you knew how inhumane and brutal these monsters were.
Taviii@reddit
Its not just latin America, they do this everywhere except maybe Western Europe.
hannabarberaisawhore@reddit
The US just loooooooves to mess with Latin America. There wouldn’t be so many people trying to walk into the States if the US would just leave their home countries alone.
OptimisticSkeleton@reddit
Violent paramilitaries in Latin America is like a glass of warm milk for the CIA. I wouldn’t be surprised if the drug cartels were started by the CIA.
They sure seem to love, American weapons, huh?
el_lley@reddit
The CIA funded some in order to track them
Treadwheel@reddit
If by "some" you mean "everywhere they could find a nazi willing to hold a rifle" and by "track" you mean "train to commit war crimes"
el_lley@reddit
I have to proof, but I have no doubt
BlackAfroUchiha@reddit
They're also involved in this shit so they can fund their operations elsewhere.
Regurgitator001@reddit
Thanos is not gonna be pleased.
nobleman76@reddit
Don't wonder. This shit is on record. Maybe not CIA, but how about JSOC? https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2010/11/3/us-trained-cartel-terrorises-mexico
chaosgazer@reddit
"Drug Cartels Do Not Exist" is a great book by Oswaldo Zavala
OptimisticSkeleton@reddit
Gonna check that one out! Ty
Luke-HW@reddit
Prop up hostile organizations with arms and money
Wait for them to destabilize their host nation
Occupy in the name of peacekeeping
Never leave
This has been the US’s goal with Mexico for the past few decades.
Treadwheel@reddit
It's been a weirdly under the radar (read: suppressed) story that Trump has been pushing hard to find a reason for large scale intervention in Mexico, with the president frustrating him by making a big enough show of interventions to take the wind out of his sails. High profile incidents of armed men "accidentally" showing up on Mexican soil, build ups of air assets, violations of their airspace, and the occasional leak detailing plans to intervene. The cartels have posted a few public warnings promising that if a shooting conflict breaks out, the virtual immunity US government employees have enjoyed since Kiki Camerena will be revoked.
There's been more and more incidents of tourists in Mexico being deliberately targeted in shootings, which I wager are warning shots to the Mexican and US governments that they are willing to escalate and begin attacks on the expat and tourist populations. I'm not sure that Trump understands that the same guys who have been cutting each other apart with chainsaws and dissolving each other in vats of acid while they're still alive and awake to feel it are not going to shrug their shoulders and get a day job, nor are they going to back down in the face of US troops on raids. Dying to a US marine shooting them center of mass with an M4 is probably the best case scenario for a lot of them in the first place.
These guys don't play fair and they are just as likely to have someone track down and dismember the child of some lieutenant as they are to conduct a militia style hit and run attack, and the US has not fought a war in living memory where their opponent was capable of conducting those kinds of in country reprisals on any scale. The US military already has issues with cartel infiltration. It's a nightmare scenario.
The cartels are bad guys. Really, really bad guys. They deserve every bullet they have coming, but that doesn't make invading Mexico a good idea.
85AW11@reddit
phaedrus910@reddit
debasing_the_coinage@reddit
Remember, kids: when you stick up a meth lab with the boys, always have a sober driver.
beryugyo619@reddit
And keep those masks on! Now I know why fictional black ops soldiers were always depicted with proper chemical warfare masks at all times lol
imunfair@reddit
lol, why you lying when the literal Mexican president already exposed that you guys were participating in the raid dressed in Mexican uniforms? Makes you wonder what their actual participation was when they don't even want to admit their presence. Maybe there was some tracking/surveillance tech they needed to recover before it ended up in evidence?
Curious_Owl197@reddit
Is it really surprising? The USA has their dick in everyone's asshole