What's a car modification that immediately makes you think the owner doesn't know what they're doing?
Posted by adamvanderb@reddit | askcarguys | View on Reddit | 910 comments
I'll start. Fake hood scoops that aren't cut out. Or worse, the stick on ones from AutoZone. Just plastic nonsense doing nothing but adding drag. Also giant angry headlight decals on a stock Civic. What's yours?
FewStill3958@reddit
Trucks with massive lift and super low profile tires. Bonus points for massive wheel spacers.
Outrageousintrovert@reddit
Massive wheel spacers without upgraded wheel studs are great for losing a wheel at freeway speeds and boinking the bimbo box in the opposite lane. Dipshits.
imthatoneguyyouknew@reddit
Don't forget the added strain on the wheel bearings and balljoints!
Fun-Ball8057@reddit
It’s very minimal strain, unless you’re using an 1-1/2” spacer “car guy”🤣🤣
imthatoneguyyouknew@reddit
I was literally responding to someone who said "massive spacers" ya half wit
Outrageousintrovert@reddit
But hey! They look cool! Forking eedjits.
vibesandcrimes@reddit
I'm sure this is going to surprise you
Coyoteatemybowtie@reddit
The SEMA spécial.
Otherwise-Ad6675@reddit
Complete with Bluetooth driveshafts/cv axles.
Prhime@reddit
what?
itachi8oh1@reddit
“Device unavailable”
Glittering-Yam-5318@reddit
This right here. Add LED lights as well
dbear496@reddit
Low-profile tires are just bad on trucks. They decrease both weight capacity and off-road traction.
Boomhauer440@reddit
And always the shittiest cheapest tires possible that are physically impossible to balance. Like yeah I know your truck shakes, I told you it would and told you not to buy these stupid 14” wide rims and garbage tires. There is no way for me to add the 1.5 POUNDS of weight needed to balance these.
BurialWings42@reddit
MSD ignition boxes on a basically stock sbc.
motorstereo@reddit
I saw a bucket T the other day driving around some curvy back roads…between the super wide tires and the track , he could hardly stay in his lane! I kept thinking that he’d probably have more fun with a bit narrower track and smaller tires.
dubgeek@reddit
Big wings on FWD street cars
motorstereo@reddit
Yep. I took the factory wing of my 911SC, I’m not trying to fool people that it’s got a turbo, and I don’t drive in excess of 120mph (or, realistically, 100– in my experience vintage VDO gauges are pretty optimistic 😂)
Careflwhatyouwish4@reddit
Better yet, the big wheels and tires on the back of a front wheel drive car. I can't believe I've seen this more than once. 🤦🤷
Tiny-Sandwich@reddit
Not entirely sure what you mean, but grip at the rear is still incredibly important in FWD cars.
People make this mistake a lot when getting new tyres, and they'll put the new tyres on the front and swap the front ones to the back, without realising this increases your chance of oversteer.
Running out of grip at the back in a FWD car while the fronts still grip is incredibly dangerous. You can easily understeer and spin out.
jaymemaurice@reddit
Grip and tire sizing isn't intuitive. Fat wide tires when not a soft compound may mean less pressure on the contract patch. You might be better off with better quality more expensive factory sized tires. It's always bold to assume one knows more than the engineers who spec the cars.
For me, it's oversized brake rotors or any 'performance' upgrade when the car is not on performance tires. Tires should always be the first performance modification. If you have a big brake kit and you are rolling around on Goodyear Ecos... Aesthetic stuff... That's just aesthetic. That's not performance.
Correct-Sail-9642@reddit
In this economy I rotate my more worn tires to the rear so I'm not burning through two tires before the rears even get see any action. In my Fiesta ST with non adjustable camber up front it has a tendency to eat the inside of UHP tires pretty quick since most my driving is pretty aggressive on rough condition winding mountain roads. I got less than a year on a pair of Falken UHP tires before I had to swap to the rear. I generally dont just buy a pair I buy a full set
Tiny-Sandwich@reddit
Yeah you definitely shouldn't be doing that, especially if you're driving it hard.
Correct-Sail-9642@reddit
I looked it up and yeah you're definitely right. I think it comes down to how you drive and how the combo handles overall. The way I drive expecting a little bit of rear end movement at lower speeds it's been handling just like I want. But I think with the wrong tire combo and higher speeds it could be dangerous for most people. Most my driving around the mountains is under 50mph and the most aggressive stuff is <40.
But I am reconsidering my choice of putting the new up front after doing some reading thanks
plywooden@reddit
ONLY if you're driving on the edge of grip, like at a track. Even then, FWD cars are massively prone to understeer, not oversteer.
Tiny-Sandwich@reddit
Yes that's my entire point. Did you read the rest of my comment before you replied, or just the first sentence?
People put new tyres on the front, neglect the back because they think front grip is more important, and then run out of grip at the back before the front. That's a recipe for oversteer in a FWD car.
Ancient-Resident-514@reddit
While a majority are prone to it, tons of FWD cars aren't prone to understeer one bit either though, Saabs 9000 Aero is a great example, out handles many RWD/AWD cars I've driven.
Even without being on the edge of grip, a sticky rear end in the canyons for example is incredibly important.
Shroomboy79@reddit
I think I’d rather oversteer in fwd than rwd tho. In a fwd you just give it a little more gas and it pull the car forward and straightens out. Rwd you let off the gas and your kinda at the mercy of physics and driver skill after that
Nasa_OK@reddit
That’s why you don’t just suddenly let off the gas, you either let tc do its magic or you have it set to a less restrictive mode but then you want oversteer anyway
Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit
This right here is the fatal flaw in FWD handling and you don't realize it. While this statement rings true the result is that to try and cure a condition caused by too much speed, you have to add speed, making the issue worse.
Shroomboy79@reddit
Yea it does make the issue worse in a sense. But also it doesn’t at the same time. Sure you have to speed up but it’s also almost guaranteed to straighten the car back out for you to. Point the wheels the way you wanna go and give a couple beans
Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit
Until you're going even faster and still can't make the turn.
Sure to a point it works on like a track when done rather intentionally on corner exit. But at that level RWD/AWD works better.
It takes skill and calm to add "beans" in a slide, the vast majority of drivers don't. Those who do, can also counter steer a RWD.
Most drivers will immediately lift, in a FWD this makes the situation even worse. It makes the front engine brake which adds to the problem with lift oversteer.
GrandPattern3637@reddit
Preach, going from my Subaru’s AWD to my RWD truck without T/C was a bit of a learning curve but I’ll be damned if it hasn’t made me a better driver in all aspects.
Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit
I'm the opposite. I was raised/taught on old RWD pickups, muscle cars, etc.. Then I got myself a modern RWD based AWD and had to relearn to drive it, mostly to keep my foot in it.
GrandPattern3637@reddit
So you can imagine the freakout I had my first light rainfall lol. I’m grateful to have the experience of both and, gotta say, despite the age difference my old truck is still my favorite vehicle I’ve driven.
Shroomboy79@reddit
If you’re going to fast for the corner it doesn’t matter what your drive wheels are, you should’ve slowed down more.
I think partially it’s due to the general consensus of “let off the gas if you slide” and I think that comes from rwd cars being more common before the 90s. I was told from a young age that to stop sliding a fwd you have to give more gas and it’s stuck with me and it’s definitely saved me a couple of times.
Lift off oversteer gets crazy to. You’ll be completely sideways in an instant if your not careful
Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit
Odd thing to say given the initial point was counteracting this:
twelfthfantasy@reddit
I grew up with RWD and learned to drift by accident 😂. But regardless of where the drive is, I'd rather oversteer than under because I'm more confident I can control and correct it. It's also worth mentioning that I've never once had the rear wheels of a FWD car hydroplane - only ever the drive wheels, no matter the layout.
Shroomboy79@reddit
I only had the ass end on a fwd start dancing around once. I was going through town down the interstate doing about 40-50 or so but it was winter and just slick as hell. It was a mk3 focus sedan and it really really wanted to be sideway any time I let up on the gas. The focus in general enjoys being sideways even tho it’s fwd for some reason tho, it’s unlike any other fwd I’ve driven in the way it handles.
I’d also rather oversteer than under tho because I feel like it’s more controllable. I feel there’s more variables with under steer, you need the right throttle/brake management and also the right steering input to. If you get either incorrect you keep understeering.
Prism3@reddit
Yeah but you don’t want to intentionally induce oversteer just because someone on Reddit said not to run the tires you should😂 there’s always a balance
Shroomboy79@reddit
I mean I wouldn’t want to intentionally induce oversteering either. But if we gotta pick which one we like more I pick fwd for oversteer management
Prism3@reddit
Coming from a guy who tracks a FWD, skinny tires on the back are an absolute nightmare. You’ll think you’re good at 40 percent throttle and boom rears can’t keep up and you’re about to be on a kiss cam with a Supra. I’ve always had more control when the fronts match the rear, no need for ripping through the front tires just to straighten the car.
Confident-Event9306@reddit
That is the problem with oversteer in an FWD car. Unless you’re a really experienced driver, you’re going to lift off when the back starts going out, not add power, and you spin. They are usually tuned to understeer rather than oversteer because most people will lift off.
k5light@reddit
I think physics and driver skill comes into play either way
Shroomboy79@reddit
Definitely true but more so with rwd imo because it’s way easier to slide out. In a fwd if you hit the gas hard and start spinning you just still go forward
currancchs@reddit
I know it's safer to have more grip in the back, but if you have much track experience and can handle a little oversteer, it feels so much better and gives the driver more control when you have more grip up from and the front end does what you tell it to.
ComputerGuyInNOLA@reddit
When you get new tires on an awd or fwd vehicle aren’t you supposed to replace all four?
Jonparelli@reddit
AWD yes, FWF not necessary. This is because uneven wheel diameter and therefore wheel speed in an AWD can break your transfer case
ComputerGuyInNOLA@reddit
Thanks for the explanation!
ChingyBingyBongyBong@reddit
Good. I want to oversteer. Get that ass rotating.
Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit
So run out of grip on the front instead?
Tiny-Sandwich@reddit
Yes, I feel like that was pretty obvious from my comment.
Loss of grip at the front = understeer
Loss of grip at the back = oversteer
For most people understeer is safer and more manageable.
Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit
That's a fair conclusion, most of all with a FWD.
Tiny-Sandwich@reddit
Yep! Sorry if my previous comment sounded snarky.
Buckeyebornandbred@reddit
My cousin worked at a tire center and said this all the time. Seems counter intuitive because the front wheels get the power and wear faster.
motorwerkx@reddit
Years ago one of the big automags did a test on whether you should put the good tires in the rear or on the front of a front wheel drive car and that was their track tested determination. In slippery conditions the car with the good tires on the back held better every single time.
billhorstman@reddit
During my high school years(1970s) it was fairly common to see larger diameter wheels on the rear axle. It made the car look like it was always going down hill, but some of my friends did it to make the car look “cool”. This also required lift kits on the rear axle and fender flares, so it could be rather expensive.
Weary-Writer758@reddit
I know what you mean. I experienced lift on my Del Sol at about 130mph and I had the small factory spoiler. I didn't go bigger, I just didn't go that fast again. It was a tuned car.
black_widow48@reddit
A big wing on a FWD racecar is a normal thing. FWD cars need down force too. But like RWD cars, you need aero on both ends, not just the rear.
Most wings you see on cars in the street are not even real wings and provide no downforce at all
Equana@reddit
Sure they provide downforce....
About 7 to 12 lbs or so! LOL
currancchs@reddit
Wings actually do work if engineered correctly, they don't even have to be huge. I used to have a 2001 Audi TT and the manufacturer recalled it because the tail would get light over about 120mph or so, IIRC. They added a tiny spoiler and that apparently solved the issue.
Don't think a manufacturer would've done the recall if it didn't work, but most of the crazy wings you see on tuner cars are useless, I agree.
Upbeat_County9191@reddit
That's a spoiler not a wing
jdmillar86@reddit
That's quite different aerodynamically, though. A wing is added to generate downward lift, your little spoiler was put there to trip the airflow in order to kill the upward lift the shape of the car was generating.
Some Beetles actually have a pop out spoiler that activates at a certain speed for the same reason! Like a little street DRS almost.
SpaceCat72@reddit
Lol just put a bag of sand in the trunk. 5x the former outcome
Users5252@reddit
That would add more weight though. Best solution is designing active aero.
SpaceCat72@reddit
Lol and its funny. Car is slow anyhow. No performance to lose
Users5252@reddit
It would actually be very beneficial if designed for drag reduction rather than downforce
SpaceCat72@reddit
And put on a car worthy of it.
Users5252@reddit
Basically anything lightweight and not considered to be high end would make a great project if you are a person who appreciate aerodynamics.
SpaceCat72@reddit
Ratty looking sleepers are my forte
FxEpic@reddit
A bag if sand in the rear is 50 lbs you don't want if you are actually trying to set your car up for speed. Granted, many add on rear wings on stock cars are cosmetic because the car never goes fast enough for it to have an effect. However, saying that all rear wings on modified/tuned FWD cars are useless is completely incorrect.
ShipshapeMobileRV@reddit
And without the aerodynamic drag!
SpaceCat72@reddit
Yeah, it would be considered a speed brake if the car was actually fast , lol
silbergeistlein@reddit
I’m pretty sure it had to be Clarkson from Top Gear, but my favorite way it was put about the wing on the wing for the Subaru STi was that it added about as much downforce as a sack of potatoes.
ottrocity@reddit
20lbs at 140mph, bro!
Datboi_Markus@reddit
People saying this has actually kinda become a big pet peeve of mine. You gotta be going around corners at 80-90mph at minimum to have a wing actually do something. So a big wing on a rwd street car is just as dumb as a fwd one. They’re all just for looks unless someone does serious track days at a real road course. Idc if you love big wings or hate them, but don’t say they’re fine on one car but not on another. I’ll add that they’re actually really important on fwd race cars because there’s typically not much weight in the back so a wing will help alleviate some high speed lift-off oversteer because that shit is scary af
Danercast@reddit
Normies be normies.
Positive_Courage_309@reddit
Just want to add to this that wings don't just work to provide down force. They also affect the turbulence patterns of the airflow behind the vehicle. This is why a lot of non-performance cars come with little ones/lips. Easing the airflow pattern behind the vehicle improves aerodynamics, which means better fuel efficiency. Better fuel efficiency means less expenses for normal driving, and better power to drag ratio for active driving.
Prism3@reddit
Exactly, just rehashed talking points they heard from a YouTube video a couple years ago. Of course Temu special GT wings look bad, but they look bad on anything. A FD2R with a Mugen GT wing looks damn good evening if it’s not putting down massive downforce. Or an Elantra N TCR which was literally tested on the Nurburgring by some of the best Korean and German engineers in the world… I’m pretty sure they know what they’re doing.
Datboi_Markus@reddit
Yep. Same for the newer civic type R. Tons of wind tunnel and Nurburgring testing went into that. Also weird mention but the vw corrado was fwd and came from the factory with an active spoiler that would pop out over a certain speed. Such a cool car
Klutzy_Guitar_9315@reddit
I have no problem with a factory wing - at least engineers and designers have made a choice there even if it isn’t my taste. Besides most of those are tucked so low there is no delusion of downforce. I just don’t like the aftermarket varietals. They usually seem to be picked based on the whims of a 10y on Forza after stealing a Monster from the fridge.
Prism3@reddit
Very cool, wish OEMs continued on with cool features like that. Also wish they’d just bring back the damn Corrado
Datboi_Markus@reddit
It would be sweet if they just made like a fast back gti and called it the corrado, but these days it would probably just be a hybrid or something silly. The 80s were such an awesome era for weird tech in cars. The Honda prelude had 4 wheel steering, the Buick riviera had a crt touchscreen, so much cool shit
Prism3@reddit
Yup. Makes you wonder why OEMs aren’t taking advantage of electrification to push boundaries on tech again. We got the Ioniq 5N, yet we couldn’t get the N74 concept with the Ioniq 5’s powertrain? Tech just isn’t really exciting anymore man. iPhones, Computers, Cars, they all just get more expensive every year without taking any risks to actually compete and flex their muscles. I’d be surprised if the rumored 2028 Silvia will even be any good
dbear496@reddit
I could go around the clover leaf ramp faster if I had a wing.
responds-with-tealc@reddit
all correct 💯.
I spend 16 hours a year in a race car on a road course wheel to wheel racing with dozens of other cars.
it's still questionably worth it to put much aero on my car, because it is a slow POS that only takes a few turns over 80 mph at the tracks/races i do. some of those spots are important and would benefit to be fair, but you need enormous wing and other supporting aero for it to make sense.
chris77982@reddit
Some cars need it if you want high speed stability. Cars shaped like Audi tt's or beetles produce lift at the rear. You need a big wing just to get to a point of zero lift.
NeverDidLearn@reddit
Aerodynamically neutral.
ekathegermanshepherd@reddit
No fwd street vehicle needs additional downloaded is the point.
Datboi_Markus@reddit
No street vehicle needs downforce period. When was the last time you took your car around a corner at 90mph?
pm-me-racecars@reddit
Do rwd or awd street vehicles need it?
Kseries2497@reddit
I've heard old Impreza STis are noticably looser without the wing. Just hearsay, but it's definitely a big enough wing that I could believe it.
Pale-Ad6216@reddit
Bonus points if the wing is not actually attached to anything structural and is set to a ridiculous angle and you get to actually see the trunk lid flex where it’s bolted on. So that 500 pounds of downforce is literally just like driving around with 500 pounds strapped to your trunk.
highersense@reddit
You also have to account for drag, you can have tons of downforce but be slower across a lap if drags too high, let alone for a daily driver.
black_widow48@reddit
Yeah I wasn't going to get into all the physics of how much aero you want. I think it's fairly obvious a big wing isn't going to be doing you any favors on a daily driver regardless of what is optimal on the racetrack.
My point was to dispel the myth that FWD cars don't benefit from wings.
highersense@reddit
Yeah i understand and agree was just adding yonyour points made. its essentially useless on daily driver, even for b roads/mountain roads its a net loss.
And yeah fwd benefits with a comprehensive aero package and the right setting, just not outside of competition.
douggroc@reddit
I can’t stand those things. They look stupid AF.
ManKilledToDeath@reddit
So you're saying a FWD car's rear tires can't lose traction? I need this explained lmao
dubgeek@reddit
STREET CAR. If you're driving on the street in such a way that your fwd loses rear traction due to no rear spoiler you should go back to driving school.
slightlyspecial@reddit
You specifically said FWD. Is a wing ok on a RWD street car?
ManKilledToDeath@reddit
You did specify FWD cars
Commercial_Ladder379@reddit
Not sure what FWD have anything to do witha big rear wing???
Peter1456@reddit
On the flipside of this, not you but people who think wings wont work on FWD race cars.
jrileyy229@reddit
And if it's RWD it's somehow okay? As if the wing does something on the street? It does not. It does not help you accelerate or put power down at all. It doesn't do Jack shit until 80mph and you're not traction limited at that point, so the wing just slows you down with drag.
Reddit mob mentality that doesn't really understand cars or aero always says FWD with a wing is stupid on the street... Fine, sure... But so is that z06 or m3 or 911 street car with a wing.
Those cars get wings when you order the track pack. The wing actually does something on the track for braking and cornering. Cool, that's great. The wing also helps FWD do the same things on the track. I'm grid life the only FWD car up at the front of the field is Eric kutil and he has a wing on his FWD Honda Civic, I wonder why that is...
So if you want to apply general logic here... Any street car with a wing is stupid unless they go to track days or time trials with it. So now you can say a 911gt3 is equally as stupid as a FWD car with a wing in 90% of use cases.
MDethPOPE@reddit
I think the difference is most FWD makes sub 200hp and can't do much more than 110mph. The RWD could be 300-700 and get to where even a small wing will give meaningful downforce at 150.
Prhime@reddit
As a German this entire thread is hilarious lol. You think a modern 200hp car wont go much faster than 110mph? (plenty fast enough for downforce to be effective btw)
The entire Autobahn is FWD economy 4 cylinder Volkwagens going 150mph all day every day.
MDethPOPE@reddit
Because EPA and gearing, yes. American gear ratios aren't the same as EU spec for all cars, especially going back to 80s/90s.
Prhime@reddit
Meaning the top gear is so long that it can no longer get into the powerband? Or so short that it will hit the limiter?
I dont think I've ever V-maxed a car that was limited by gearing.
MDethPOPE@reddit
No power to overcome aero wall in 5th, yessir.
Maybe not truly vmax, but if you're only gaining 1mph every 1mi, and losing speed to resistance... My old 96 Integra practically died at 115~ and iirc still had at least 1500rpm.
Granted that's public road and we don't have an Autobahn to try to keep that rate for 10mi
Prhime@reddit
Oh I would have considered that to be limited by power not by gearing, is it not?
Yeah gotcha
Nasa_OK@reddit
My wife’s 1l eco boost with 104 HP can go 190kph with is 120 mph.
My 200 HP RWD BMW is limited to 160mph
jrileyy229@reddit
Most street cars never see 150... and You don't need downforce going 150 in a straight line in a street car... That's why 200mph corvettes always had spoilers to reduce lift... before having a wing was something that everyone wanted and proved to be a giant revenue generating option.
On the track, even 200hp fwd cars benefit from a wing. Doesn't matter what your car is, if you're taking 80mph sweepers and esses, a splitter and a wing is what you want.
MDethPOPE@reddit
Track =/= road. Concrete is not all equal, and many tracks will allow you to pull more G than most streets ever will?
I never said 'need' and you've countered yourself. There are speeds that generate enough lift to feel squirrelly, even if it isn't necessary or 'deadly loose'.
A spoiler is a wing. It's an aero device that goes on the trunk/rear. Utility and usability changes, but it still does more air even if it's a 1/2" duckbill.
Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit
You think street cars never go over 80, around curves or brake?
jrileyy229@reddit
Largely, no... Not in a manner where you're on the limit of grip or threshold braking and a wing makes a difference... the way you would experience on track... At least not in any kind of responsible manner.
Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit
The highest speed limit in the US is 85, and there's sections of highway where 100 is going with the flow.
Shit happens on highways, collisions avoided, etc. where to do so high speed handling and braking is of great benefit.
jrileyy229@reddit
So you're saying it's a safety thing? And that all cars, including civics... That go with the follow of traffic on this road... Should have a splitter and wing for safety in case they need to maneuver or stop at 100 mph?
Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit
Yeah kinda, wing might be too much, maybe spoiler, depends on the car. Ultimately I think more cars should have active aero.
jrileyy229@reddit
That's really just going too far. You could follow that slippery slope and say all cars should have 200treadwear Bridgestone re71 tires... That are super soft and last only like 5k street miles.
Why? "Just in case" they have to maneuver at speed or stop abruptly... The tires would exponentially improve those things versus normal eco tires.. But would mean people are buying a $1500 set of tires twice a year.
Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit
False comparison, as you pointed out tires are a wear item. They're also very surface dependent, those RE71 are going to suck as soon as it rains.
But aero is a one time investment and has no detrimental effects other weather conditions. Most of all if well done and active.
jrileyy229@reddit
They're actually good in the rain... But you can pick any high end tire... All cars need to have Michelin ps4s because they will increase maneuverability and decrease stopping distance in both wet and dry... and at any and all speeds, slow or fast.... versus the rock hard eco tires modern cars come with.
That is factual. And the con side of that is they cost 2-3x your basic Walmart eco tire, and only last half as long.
Laws and regulations exist to cover the many. Only a very few % of cars are ever going to see 100mph.
All modern cars do have aerodynamics involved in their design.
Cerus_Freedom@reddit
Most vehicles that aren't SUVs or trucks already handle those situations just fine. More aero would just hurt fuel efficiency rather than improve safety.
3dprintedthingies@reddit
A GT3 is a factory race car they somehow let be street legal. It makes sense on cars that actually go fast, like a z06. M3 is whatever. That's just a touring car.
RWD cars have weight imbalance that the wing counteracts, giving better stability at high speeds. You know this, you're playing dumb.
Some kid with a 150hp civic slapping a wing on it isn't the same thing. That's what everyone is talking about.
BuT bRaKiNg!?! Yeah. We know it's a thing in a fwd car. It isn't really a thing on the street when you're not getting above 55 mph. It's just drag and leads to inefficiency at highway cruising and leads to instability at higher speed in FWD applications without anything at the front counter balancing it, which AutoZone kid isn't adding.
jrileyy229@reddit
A gt3 is a race car kinda sorta for the road.... But 90% of them just bop around SoCal... So therefore a wing is stupid.
A wing is for going around corners at the the limit of mechanical grip, period... Outside of absurd examples like top fuel dragster.
What is this weight imbalance in a c8 or a 911 that you speak of? Even in an m3, the rear end lift at speed is handled by undercar aero and a spoiler. There's no need for a wing on any street car.
Doesn't really matter to me, autozone kid is just being autozone kid. But there are just as many RWD cars that are basically posers as there are FWD auto zone kids.
not1or2@reddit
Totally agree with you, hate the wings on cars. Much prefer a clean shape, why I like the 911 and Audi TT, look smooth until the wing is needed, then it deploys
jrileyy229@reddit
That's a spoiler dawg... Not a wing.
not1or2@reddit
Same thing as far as I’m concerned, spoiler, wing, all pointless as usual speeds
jrileyy229@reddit
Well okay. The spoiler on a civic EX is lipstick. The spoiler that raises out of the trunk on a boxster at 70mph is functional
not1or2@reddit
Exactly, let’s face it, at the usual speeds most cars average over their life, around 30mph, spoilers/wings are pointless. Theres a reason the spoiler raises at 70/75 mph, lower than that they’re useless.
jrileyy229@reddit
that is correct.... Still nothing to do with a functional wing.
mcmillen@reddit
shoulda used spoiler tags
Aphykit2006@reddit
Ah, je croyais que c'etait pour pousser la voiture dans les parkings quand on fait les courses (au supermarché )
Pretty_Leader3762@reddit
In the 90’s it seemed every car had a wing. I even got a Corolla that had one. Not sure if it was a dealer add on or if Toyota was trying to make a slow car look fast.
Club_Penguin_Legend_@reddit
They add them because they do make a difference with stability
Timsmomshardsalami@reddit
Engineer here. Sounds like youre saving face. No street car needs a wing. Logic doesn’t add up
voucher420@reddit
Factory wings and spoilers help on any car. They even help when added to a lower model to help keep the rear end feel more planted and stable, and they work at freeway speeds. The huge aftermarket wings and spoilers are almost always 100% just for looks and may or may not help, and even hurt the way the car handles due to not being adjusted properly.
I have added a factory style wing to a car that didn’t have one before and it does help out a lot. It was paint matched and you couldn’t tell it wasn’t factory. My last car didn’t have one, but it did have a really long trunk, and that helped a lot. My current car has one and I remember why I got a car without one, the spot under the wing stays dirty when you go through the car wash.
xXxjayceexXx@reddit
I saw a guy with a not so hot hatchback with the biggest wing I'd ever seen and they installed it vertically, as in straight up. Dude just installed an air break
kikiacab@reddit
You have no idea what you’re talking about, why do you think front wheel drive cars don’t need rear spoilers?
dubgeek@reddit
STREET CAR. No street car should be driving on the street in such a way the fwd would lose rear traction due to not having a spoiler.
kikiacab@reddit
No mention of street car in the post
dubgeek@reddit
Hence my clarification.
Tsu_na_mi@reddit
Especially the ones attached to the plastic bumper cover.
Cornelius-Figgle@reddit
Not every modification has to be 100% functional and required. If you wanna put a wing on it because it looks cool go for it.
currancchs@reddit
I have an 06 WRX with the factory spoiler and like it and wouldn't begrudge someone an STi wing. Personally, I know it would make me grin at the ridiculousness of it/remind me of the 90s and early 2000s every time I look in my rearview if I had one.
Come to think of it, I may have to check out Facebook Marketplace later...
Prism3@reddit
Some are okay
Doublestack00@reddit
Not always, true, but mostly true.
s92e92spen15a55t1ar@reddit
Why just FWD street cars? You might as well say all street cars. FWD race cars benefit from rear wings for the same reasons that RWD cars do.
GripAttackToyota777@reddit
Because it's "cool" to hate on FWD cars. Even when the mods are actually justified.
jrileyy229@reddit
Correct... All track cars benefit from a wing provided they get aero balance. 99% of street cars with a wing are just going in a straight line and it's just for show... Maybe 1% of people actually go canyon carving at 120 mph in their gt3rs
jrileyy229@reddit
Why?
ramooage1@reddit
Wings increase down force on the rear wheels as speeds increase. Giving you more "traction". Cars are also built like wings and like to rise up.
FWD cars it doesn't matter because power is at the front
jrileyy229@reddit
And if it's RWD it's somehow okay? As if the wing does something on the street? It does not. It does not help you accelerate or put power down at all. It doesn't do Jack shit until 80mph and you're not traction limited at that point, so the wing just slows you down with drag.
Reddit mob mentality that doesn't really understand cars or aero always says FWD with a wing is stupid on the street... Fine, sure... But so is that z06 or m3 or 911 street car with a wing.
Those cars get wings when you order the track pack. The wing actually does something on the track for braking and cornering. Cool, that's great. The wing also helps FWD do the same things on the track. I'm grid life the only FWD car up at the front of the field is Eric kutil and he has a wing on his FWD Honda Civic, I wonder why that is...
So if you want to apply general logic here... Any street car with a wing is stupid unless they go to track days or time trials with it. So now you can say a 911gt3 is equally as stupid as a FWD car with a wing in 90% of use cases.
InsulatedEel@reddit
I know it’s a little bit picky but Eric Kutil is the only fwd at the front of the field with a wing in gltc. In gridlife in general there are others. Jimmy rauck is firmly at the front of the field in unlimited with a wing on his fwd as well. That car is damn impressive
ramooage1@reddit
I think 99% of wings are useless. Ya. Sometimes a little small one looks okay.
Crissup@reddit
As useless as wheelie bars on a FWD
jrileyy229@reddit
Those aren't wings... Those are almost always spoilers
jolsiphur@reddit
It may be worth it to look up why race cars need wings regardless of their drivetrain.
Road cars don't really need a wing simply because you are unlikely to end up driving at the speeds where having extra downforce is beneficial. Putting a big wing on a road car is just for looks, but it also lowers your base fuel economy by introducing more drag.
FWD track cars absolutely benefit by having more downforce to the rear wheels.
ramooage1@reddit
Yes I agree with you. Race cars are also at different speeds than street cars.
90% of the time a wing is worthless on street cars. Very very few people ever get to speeds where it helps,
PPiDrive@reddit
That's a dumb last sentence.
black_widow48@reddit
This is not true. FWD racecars need downforce on both sides of the vehicle just like RWD and AWD cars do.
-G_Man-@reddit
I’m guessing because there’s no power to the back wheels so it’s not as critical for the downforce?
Hopeful_Corner1333@reddit
A true fwd race car is stupid light in the back. The entire drivetrain and the driver is forward of the halfway point. So the back needs all the help it can get with traction in the back.
ace_deuceee@reddit
Everything in chassis tuning is related to weight balance. If a car is 80/20% F/R for example, you want 80% of the grip up front, front springs to be much stiffer, front ARB to be much stiffer, front tires to have higher cornering stiffness, aero balance somewhere around 80% (or slightly lower for stability). A FWD race car will still have a wing because aero is good overall, but they usually are accompanied by a HUGE front splitter. Using a big rear wing to compensate for lack of weight in the rear will just mean that is has horrible turn-in at high speeds.
Muttonboat@reddit
I can see the arguement for a streetcar, but
You still wanna keep the rear wheels down and give them traction, downforce is just a good thing to have even if it is a FWD car
SergiuM42@reddit
This
niccotaglia@reddit
what if it was put on at the factory
JimboTheThicc@reddit
Drivetrain doesn’t matter
supern8ural@reddit
stretch and poke, especially with extreme camber.
I get it, it's an aesthetic, but typically you take a basically decent car and make it ride and handle like shit, and IMHO it does not look good, even if you have $5k worth of BBSs on it.
WCland@reddit
I saw a car recently with extremely cambered wheels and wondered how the driver could afford tires, which probably have to be replaced every 5000 miles.
titanicdiamond@reddit
Camber doesn't cause excessive wear.
eburnside@reddit
Seems like you understand the wear from the toe, but don't understand the wear from accelerating and braking. There is also slip and wear when you accelerate and brake, especially when you have inadequate surface area contact (eg, due to camber) The more surface area you have in contact, the leas likely you are to slip. (try putting two 1" strips of sandpaper together and drag 'em opposite directions, then put two 12" sheets together and try and drag 'em opposite directions)
titanicdiamond@reddit
😂 The vast majority of drivers never lose traction on pavement. The reason a good alignment and rotating your tires makes them last is because with minimal toe, they wear very slowly. This is why tires like wheelbarrow tires take decades to wear down. This is also why minivans have very little toe, and a sports car has aggressive toe.
eburnside@reddit
I'm glad you understand the wear from the toe
You clearly do not understand why camber can cause wear upon acceleration and deceleration - I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt but that clearly was a mistake
Wheelbarrow tires don't have engines nor brakes attached to them and I was pretty clear it's the acceleration and braking that cause the wear with regard to camber
Best of luck out there - it can be an ugly world if you're not going to accept help and knowledge when offered freely
titanicdiamond@reddit
Did you miss the part where I said without toe, tires would wear extremely slowly? Jesus christ, the density with which some of you folks operate is amazing. Your "help" is incorrect which is why I am disputing it.
eburnside@reddit
Toe will increase wear if turned overly inward or outward
Camber, if it doesn't leave the tire flat on the road, will also cause excessive wear
You claimed otherwise and you just doubled down🤷♂️
Go watch some youtubes or something
Better yet, take a college physics course
titanicdiamond@reddit
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
sees lowered car with camber sees wear on inside of tire "Camber causes excess wear!!!" "Take a college physics course"
I don't need a physics class to know more about alignments than you, my friend. The excess wear is caused by toe, not camber. The toe is drastically changed when lowering a car, which is why he wore through his tires so quickly. The fact that you weren't looking for wear after lowering a car tells me exactly how much you know about cars. It's ok to admit that you're wrong.
eburnside@reddit
Googling inside tire wear on RWD vehicle I get:
When we aligned the 350z at the shop the issue was negative camber, not toe
Swapping to shorter springs on a RWD mostly affects camber... it's not rocket science, it's basic physics
I hope you don't work on cars for a living... 😬
titanicdiamond@reddit
"or improper toe settings"
Alignments are one of the most misunderstood processes at an automotive shop. 😂
Changing ride height will affect camber and toe, sometimes caster. It's complicated physics. The toe is what causes excessive wear. This is why cars have camber, yet they don't all only wear the inside of the tire more.
I didn't want to ruin my passion by making it my career. Thanks for the concern. 😘
eburnside@reddit
Literally everywhere I read it's negative camber and/or toe
How many more back and forth's you wanna do before you catch up with my first post from a few days ago?
titanicdiamond@reddit
Look buddy, I understand it's very complicated and your lack of understanding about automotive suspension makes it much more challenging, but it is still the toe at the end of the day. Nowhere on google are they going to explain that the constant slip angle caused by toe is the single largest impact on tire wear, because you could just say it needs an alignment and save a bunch of words and unnecessary information. Most folks don't just go researching what exactly causes tire wear, unless they're incredibly autistic and love race cars. It's not quite as common of a question as why the sky is blue, yah know?
I have plenty of free time, and what you have said is quite entertaining.
eburnside@reddit
Nah, with our 350z it was negative camber 🤷♂️
titanicdiamond@reddit
Yeah, and you think that because you could see the camber, but toe is less evident and has a much more significant impact on tire wear, which is what actually caused the premature tire wear! Very common misconception when you're unfamiliar with suspensions and alignment.
eburnside@reddit
Nah, I think you're just confused ... like I said 6 or 7 posts ago, I can see that you understand toe
... but camber I guess just is too hard to grasp? 🤷♂️
titanicdiamond@reddit
I have a full grasp on suspension and alignment! The camber has minimal effect on tire wear, as I've explained so many times it's almost painful.
twothoutwo@reddit
it’s absolutely does. i run about -8 on the front of my s14. i go through front tires in about 2000 miles if i don’t catch the flip
titanicdiamond@reddit
Toe is what causes excessive wear, not camber.
twothoutwo@reddit
no. negative camber reduces the size of the contact patch thus causing the weight of the car to rest on a smaller part of the tread. this causes premature wear as the whole contact patch of the tire is no longer being used
toe ALSO causes excessive wear, just in a different way than camber
titanicdiamond@reddit
I already explained it to the other person who's making this claim above. Toe in means your tires point at each other. They have to slip to roll. Camber causes that slip to appear on the inside of the tire sooner. Camber does not cause premature tire wear, it just makes it uneven.
twothoutwo@reddit
you just have a different definition of premature tire wear. i would definitely consider uneven wear to be premature. parts of the tire and wearing down faster compared to the rest of the tread. that’s premature
titanicdiamond@reddit
Because of the toe... If you had exactly 0 degrees of toe, your tires would last significantly longer and the camber wear would be insignificant unless the vehicle has less than like -2.5 degrees of camber.
twothoutwo@reddit
uh no. i have the toe complete zero’d out on the front of my car, confirmed by an alignment rack. if i ran less camber, the inside of the tire would not wear as prematurely as it currently does, because more of the weight would be spread out along the tread as the contact patch would increase. this is just cold-hard physics man, not much to argue here
titanicdiamond@reddit
If your car is set at a perfect zero in an alignment rack, it's stock toe and therefor toed in. If you tape measure it, I'd be willing to bet money it's toed in. If you're burning through tires in 2000 miles you've got more issues.
Sure, with - 8 degrees of camber, it's a mute point. The only reason to run that much camber is for drifting. At that point it's not relavent, as you're not looking for optimum wear, you're looking for performance. That's like complaining because the pizza oven is hot while you're making pizza that you asked for.
Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit
Want some advice to make your tires last longer?
twothoutwo@reddit
not from you
Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit
Silly given you've already realized I know more than you.
twothoutwo@reddit
oh now this is just hilarious
supern8ural@reddit
shit, even a bone stock BMW will eat the insides of the rear tires if you drive it, um, assertively. And they tell you not to rotate the tires.
titanicdiamond@reddit
That's toe causing the wear. The pattern is from the camber.
supern8ural@reddit
https://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=430360
0.15 degrees nominal? As opposed to -1.5 degrees camber?
titanicdiamond@reddit
It's actually 0.18 +/-12 degrees so up to 0.30 total for a non-sport package. Your tires are pointing towards each other at 0.18 degrees. Think about it this way. If you were holding a tire in your hands. To roll it at any angle of camber, it'd be super easy right? No resistance. In order to roll a tire 0.09 degrees (half of total toe) to the left or right the tire has to slip. You're forcing it to move in a direction that it's not pointed towards, therefor it must slip ever so slightly.
Camber is why the wear shows up on the inside of the tire. The real reason the tire wears is because it's not rolling exactly in a straight line and must slip because they are both pointing at each other.
Eziekiel23_20@reddit
I wish my drag radials lasted 5000 miles.
Virtual-Chocolate385@reddit
if cars worked better that way, they'd be DESIGNED that way, lol
Prism3@reddit
just because you don’t like it doesn’t mean someone doesn’t know what they’re doing
supern8ural@reddit
It's an opinion. I don't deny that extreme camber takes some skill to execute, but IMHO it makes a car worse at its fundamental task of being a car.
Prism3@reddit
You’re right. I apologize. Didn’t notice you actually said it’s your opinion
s32@reddit
It's still stupid even if someone knows what they are doing. Peak monster energy vape guy mod
Prism3@reddit
You think it’s stupid. I’m happy for you that you have an opinion. Doesn’t change much though. Alot of stance guys know their shit. Not all, but a good chunk
SolarE46@reddit
I wouldn’t go as far as saying they don’t know what they’re doing when people do that. While I agree it makes the car handle like shit, it does take some effort and knowledge to get it done
Pimp_Daddy_Patty@reddit
9/10 of those cars weren't done with any knowledge or effort.
Datboi_Markus@reddit
I wouldn’t say that. Most vehicles don’t have the parts available to attain that level of camber so there’s a lot of fab work that goes into it. And dialing in the fitment usually takes a lot of trial and error. It’s a whole different level than the guy at your local pep boys with bags and stock wheels on his Honda accord.
Pimp_Daddy_Patty@reddit
Ebay coilovers do exist.
Datboi_Markus@reddit
Sir, not to be a dick, but if you think eBay coilovers magically give you -20° of camber, you are the kind of person this post is about.
Pimp_Daddy_Patty@reddit
Most stanced cars i see on the street dont even have that much camber.
Datboi_Markus@reddit
The comment said extreme stretch and poke with camber, not just lowered a lot
Pimp_Daddy_Patty@reddit
Okay fair enough.
Datboi_Markus@reddit
I’d totally agree with you if we talking about slammed cars in general. I myself am a reformed stancyboi and I absolutely ruined my first vw. It looked cool but I fucked my shit up. I try to tell kids I meet who say they wanna do that shit to steer clear and they never listen.
Pimp_Daddy_Patty@reddit
I just had too many people show up with the inside of their tires worn to chords asking if I had any used tires they could buy off me.
snorkelsneeve@reddit
And they’re often FWD cars and stick a huge rear spoiler for more downforce on the rear wheels
Pimp_Daddy_Patty@reddit
Someone actually tried to justify camber because drifting. I w
Nah, homie. Not on a street drive Golf
currancchs@reddit
More than 3.5 degrees, really more than 2.5, is a waste for pretty much anything, although it is a bit platform-specific.
twothoutwo@reddit
stop being ignorant. it’s been very well documented how beneficial aggressive front camber is for drifting. you think all of those professional drift cars run -7 degrees of camber up front for no reason?
Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit
How does high front camber help with drifting?
twothoutwo@reddit
at high steering angle, the front wheels will camber out, which reduces the contact patch of the front tires. running something like -6/-7 degrees in the front allows the wheel camber to be zero’d out when the car reaches full lock or aggressive angle. the negative camber is what counteracts the cambering out of the wheels at angle
Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit
Only one side cambers out positively, the other side does the opposite and adds negative camber, making it worse.
This aspect is caused by the steering axis inclination, which also effects self centering in a funky way that I'd assume they'd want to remove. So far better to just remove/reduce the steering axis inclination.
twothoutwo@reddit
so you asked me that question with this answer already in mind, thanks for wasting my time by having me type that out dickhead
i am not an expert of professional level drift setups, but ALL of the cars are aligned in a way that includes an aggressive amount of front camber. go argue with the techs who get paid a real salary to set those cars up
Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit
I had no idea what your claim would be.
If you're going to just be a dick about having conversations. Why the fuck are you even in reddit?
twothoutwo@reddit
i said i’m not an expert, not that i didn’t know
if you don’t give a fuck about drifting, why are you even involving yourself in this conversation? unless you’re like me and just enjoy arguing on reddit
Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit
I can't just be curious? Maybe I'll learn something useful.
twothoutwo@reddit
going thru all of my replies now? you’re obsessed
reidft@reddit
Your shitbox Tc with two inches of contact patch on the tires isn't a fucking drift car
twothoutwo@reddit
? i have an s14 silvia. there’s video on my account of me drifting it. look at latest post
Pimp_Daddy_Patty@reddit
In a street driven FWD car?
twothoutwo@reddit
of course not, but you just said “someone tried to justify camber because of drifting” as if that’s some ridiculous concept
Pimp_Daddy_Patty@reddit
Read the 2nd line.
twothoutwo@reddit
okay? what about the first one?
Pimp_Daddy_Patty@reddit
Context bro. Context.
twothoutwo@reddit
so you worded that weird. you should’ve said “someone in a golf tried to justify THEIR own camber because of drifting” and not in general. that was confusing, hence my reply
Pimp_Daddy_Patty@reddit
It wasnt the driver of the golf. Just my ex's stoner brother that thought his stock base model 90s intergra was faster than a corvette.
Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit
The guy's in here trying to defend stance and stretch, and you expect him to make sense.
eagledog@reddit
So you definitely need it on a Corolla's back wheels, right?
twothoutwo@reddit
did i say that?
twothoutwo@reddit
incorrect. take one look at the stance/vip/drift community in japan and you will see an absolutely insane amount of professional work done to get these cars to sit the way they do and still drive or even drift well
supern8ural@reddit
that's not what I'm talking about, I'm talking about cars with like 20 degrees of camber front and rear. And yes I do occasionally see them but thankfully more rarely now
twothoutwo@reddit
go check out the @japanese_ufos instagram account. a majority of those cars on that page have had extensive fabrication work done and a ton of time, money, dedication to achieve a ride height like that
there’s also so much hate for stretched tires from people who’ve never owned a car that runs a setup like that. i’ve daily driving a 205/40 stretched onto a 9j for years with no debeads or issues. it CAN be done very safely. i know im biased from my own experiences, but the morons who don’t know how to build cars correctly ruined the public perception of the stance scene and it’s so frustrating to see
Ludens_Reventon@reddit
These guys are going solely for styling point lol
jrileyy229@reddit
You could also add that it is unsafe ... Which impacts everyone else on the road. Those things have the tire contact patch of a bicycle.... And constantly break hubs and wheel bearings.
_nf0rc3r_@reddit
Stickers from other brands. Eh the gecko logo not in an Audi.
series-hybrid@reddit
"Cold air intake" using a K&N filter that pulls air from the engine compartment.
mdr1384@reddit
MINI comes with a hood scoop that has no actual cut out or attachment to anything.
Jugzrevenge@reddit
So does my fudging lawn mower!!! Why does my lawnmower look like it’s made for the 1/4mile track instead of having a useful place to put some tools???
Inner_Delivery_1625@reddit
The 1st generation was supercharged so the scoop went to the intercooler
Datboi_Markus@reddit
A lot of times a hood scoop that does have a hole in the hood can actually make cooling worse because you’re forcing air into the engine bay raising the air pressure behind the radiator preventing air from flowing through properly at highway speeds. That’s why cars like the Subaru wrx put the intercooler under the scoop and then have ducting that forces the air towards the back of the engine bay. If you want to add shit to your hood and improve cooling you’re much better off with extraction vents
mdr1384@reddit
The scoop on my 24 Silverado is functional but does not connect to the engine bay, it connects directly to the air box via a rubber joint, so doesn't add pressure behind the radiator.
Datboi_Markus@reddit
Yes that is beneficial. Those are called ram air intakes. It used to be an old drag racing trick back in the day when a car had 4 headlights (like the old challengers or chevelles) they’d take out one or two and run a pipe from the headlight hole to the intake. It helps to cram more air into the motor at high speed. Idk if it actually made a difference but people swore by it and the challenger hellcat actually has it stock as a bit of an homage
RYDSLO@reddit
I have an aftermarket hood on my Dakota, and the scoops are blocked off by plastic. The hood was made to work with a "ram air" style intake on the v8 models, but my truck is a V6 so I just added some plastic to keep the water out 🤣🤷♂️
yottyboy@reddit
1964 Ford Mustang enters chat
jango-lionheart@reddit
Honda Civics were overloaded with silly scoops for a few years, it was sad to see.
Horsecock_Johnson@reddit
Also Tacoma TRD Sport/PRO.
Stock-Maximum9755@reddit
My 06 r53 was cut out to help with the supercharger cooler.
mondaymoderate@reddit
A lot of stock cars hood scoops are just for looks.
Nearby_Knowledge8014@reddit
Cold Air Intake. Hands down.
Looseraccoons@reddit
A 996
SnipTheDog@reddit
Grounding straps that dangle off the back bumper onto the pavement.
Jmauld@reddit
I too used to make fun of other people’s hobbies.
Emergency_Memory_792@reddit
Reddit’s gonna reddit
lukeskywakka@reddit
Is it alright to make fun of other people's hobbies if those hobbies are a blatant safety risk to those around them?
Prism3@reddit
You drive past way bigger safety risks on your commute to work than a kid in a lowered Subaru quit being so dramatic
lukeskywakka@reddit
Personally, I'm not concerned about lowered vehicles, even on the shittiest of coilovers.
OppositeStand5709@reddit
90% of the responses here are suspension and CAI. Very few people have brought up things which are legitimately safety related.
ActuatorTasty4982@reddit
Í haven’t seen anyone complain about lowered suspension yet
OppositeStand5709@reddit
Sort by best and it's literally the top comment...
ActuatorTasty4982@reddit
Squating is different than lowered, at least as I know it. Maybe it’s a different comment
OppositeStand5709@reddit
There's no need to argue semantics, the next comment is about lift kits, the next one after that is cut springs.\ Like I said, 90% of the replies here are suspension and CAI, I never specified lowered suspension, just suspension.
Jmauld@reddit
No, you should take that seriously and do something about.
visarmy@reddit
IMO the only way to stop people from modifying their vehicles so poorly is to physically harm them and take thier vehicles away from them. Otherwise its just this, reddit comments which is very gossip girl / Joy Luck Club feeling.
JP147@reddit
I used to make fun of people’s hobbies. And I still do.
DoyoudotheDew@reddit
Wings, wheels the don't fit, wrong offset or size, stickers, stick on chrome.
Packagedpackage@reddit
OEM or bust.
DoyoudotheDew@reddit
Not at all.
InternationalBite690@reddit
Squatting trucks and SUV’s
Packagedpackage@reddit
These people know what they’re doing and understand how suspensions work. There’s a lot of custom mods involved to squat a truck. Need a decent shop to do that work. Knowing how to do an alignment at home is a skill a mechanic would have. These aren’t people who put chrome trim around a window and call it a mod. Squatting requires a plethora of knowledge about cars.
InternationalBite690@reddit
Doesn’t mean it looks good, it isn’t safe to drive, and destroys the drivetrain but yeah, because someone put a lot of thought on how to do it they should keep doing it? As you said it takes a lot of know how and all that thought is for the front end whereas the rear is simple so why stop halfway through the lift?
KittiesRule1968@reddit
I live in South Carolina, the home of that bullshit!
asphaltdragon@reddit
I don't understand how the Carolinas became the home of the squat when it actually comes from people in California mimicking old hill climb racers.
KittiesRule1968@reddit
No freaking clue. I live in South Carolina and I've always heard it called the Carolina Squat
InternationalBite690@reddit
It’s pretty much everywhere here in Florida too only no laws against it here
InternationalBite690@reddit
It’s pretty much everywhere here in Florida too only no laws against it here
Jimble_kimbl3@reddit
There’s a guy that lives near me who has a suburban that’s Carolina squatted. Zero chance he can see anything in front of him. The cops in our town are crazy with their traffic enforcement so hopefully they get to him before he kills someone.
vibesandcrimes@reddit
Isnt the carolina squat illegal in the carolines now?
TheJaxster007@reddit
Yes in sc. Not sure about nc. Hasn't stopped people
Existing-Cell-1986@reddit
Yes in both
ninjallr@reddit
I always assumed squatting was the same as slamming (even lowering). I just looked it up after seeing people talking about visibility - holy shit that looks stupid and dangerous
SenatorPickle@reddit
Is it not the same thing?? I thought it was my whole life lol
ninjallr@reddit
Look up "squatted truck" it's a distinct thing
SenatorPickle@reddit
It’s hideous wtf
zeushaulrod@reddit
Yeah, the first Google image looks inspired by my dog taking a leak.
SenatorPickle@reddit
The only time you squat a truck is if you’re turning it into a drift truck that you don’t drive anywhere other than the track. But for street driving it’s so stupid to do that
Floppie7th@reddit
Lifted pavement queen trucks and SUVs
Remarkable_Meat666@reddit
Especially if it’s lifted with blocks and not a real suspension kit.
JP147@reddit
I think they do know what they are doing though, they just do it wrong on purpose
liftwaffles@reddit
listen pal, there's nothing wrong with a mild squat ok
(it's 600lb of tools and gear in 4runner, I'm just kidding, I hate intentionally squatted trucks/suvs)
JollyGreenGigantor@reddit
Leveled trucks and SUVs because then they're squatting with any rear load
Informal_Ad4399@reddit
No we don't if done right.
JollyGreenGigantor@reddit
How so? If it's level at static sag, any amount of load on the back will squat the truck. The back will sag lower than the front.
Most trucks have a few inches of rake so load in the bed or attached to the trailer hitch will level the truck out
What_Lurks_Beneath@reddit
No worries, at barely half of pickup owners use the bed, and even fewer will put enough weight in it to sag the rear end. Like Jeep owners and off-roading.
kaack455@reddit
There is no right when it comes to leveling your truck unless you raise the rear to match then it's not leveled anymore, any weight in a leveled truck will make it look like a dog dragging his ass across the floor
Informal_Ad4399@reddit
Single or double adjustable shocks and good coils. Set right, the load does not sag the rear any more than it would sag the stock height rear.
twoiseight@reddit
Yep. Thinking they don't know what they are doing is the charitable option in these cases, the other one is thinking they are a sociopath with a deathwish and callous disregard for traffic and pedestrians.
Packagedpackage@reddit
Many hood scoops that come oem are not real.
BigDaddyHadley@reddit
People that put tractor jacks on everything "off-road" worthy. And throttle body spacers
Dwilliamson5002@reddit
Truck nuts. The only time they are okay is when they are of wire nuts and on a Rivian, Lightning, Silverado EV, etc.
ControlsGuyWithPride@reddit
Aftermarket oil filter, high performance.
Putting their pennzoil up in there, full synthetic.
One third tank of jet fuel.
Exciting_Advisor6899@reddit
Pops and burbles from exhaust
Objective_Bag8428@reddit
A KN air filter
Bigwhalecars@reddit
Hot air intakes
J3lf@reddit
Stickers
kingdick900@reddit
De-badging and loud exhaust pipes lmfao 🤣
Technical_Yak_8974@reddit
This
big_gumby@reddit
Pop and burble tunes. They are atrocious and I always seem to see them on stock/lightly modded euro cars and Focus ST/RS. They sound awful and are stupid.
bean_fritter@reddit
My m240i is stock, just a catback, and the stock pops and burbles are insane. I wish I could turn it off.
sevenverified@reddit
my bmw burbles stock, and i havent even chopped the muffler off yet
Prhime@reddit
Yeah those tunes are stock on a lot of performance trim Euro four cylinder cars. Every fucking Golf GTI, AMG 43, Audi S4,... does that shit, its atrocious. Combined with those DSG farts on upshifts...
big_gumby@reddit
I can slightly understand some of that on the stock cars when engaging the “sport” button. That’s not the only thing that happens when you do. People that purposely add those tunes deserve the lowest level of hell though.
DSG farts are so silly. In my experience, in the US at least, those are the first people who will immediately tell you they drive a “manual” too.
Axman6@reddit
The history of the pops and bangs is pretty interesting, it came from endurance racing, where they tuned the engine to inject more fuel to run very rich when lifting off the throttle to increase cooling in the cylinders. Cars coming into braking zones would pop like crazy. So, it has a purpose, just not one you generally need on a car not doing endurance racing.
big_gumby@reddit
Similar to everyone that thinks launch control is anti lag and that their stock Civic type R desperately needs it.
visarmy@reddit
don’t forget Golf Rs and Elantra N’s. It’s literally their theme sound
aandy611@reddit
Omg i30n n's popping all over city. Embarrassing
phatelectribe@reddit
Any pops and bangs are literally the sound a bad tune. It makes me cringe every time.
Fearless-Poet-4669@reddit
you don't like hearing detonation on the exhaust stroke? must be a sane car enthusiast...
big_gumby@reddit
It’s sad to see people ruin cars just to be loud, annoying, and usually still slow.
Fuck, I think I’m getting old, or at least sound like it.
Slow_S60_@reddit
Imo it depends on the car and how aggressive the burble tune is
WeAreAllBotsHere@reddit
They come stock on Golf R's and a hate it.
ninjallr@reddit
That's stock?? I just assumed most Golf R drivers were dickheads
itachi8oh1@reddit
Even the GTI with the DSG transmission has “DSG farts” but it’s not tuned to be obnoxious. To put it simply, it’s just fuel that didn’t combust in the cylinder before the gear change and it combusts in the exhaust instead. 💨
Pop and bang tunes though, I find them to be obnoxious. Sure, I thought it was pretty cool when the Jaguar F-Type came out with burbles and pops like a MF, but it’s been way overdone at this point.
And for what it’s worth, I’ve found that most of the people in the GTI/Golf R community are super cool and respectable people! At least in my experience.
OG_Kush_Wizard@reddit
Get a obd11 or vcds and turn it off
Zociety_@reddit
My Camaro SS comes with it stock from factory, they added it to the 19+ models
Outlaw6985@reddit
where i live we constant hear them on bmws and infinity’s
HuntGundown@reddit
As a NA fister, "modded euro cars" and "focus st/RS" are the same thing. Fight me
big_gumby@reddit
I’ll be honest, I don’t know what NA fister means. Naturally aspirated I assume? Not sure why we have to fist stuff, but I’m always down to try.
Though it’s hard to compare a focus ST/RS to my M2.
rcp_5@reddit
When the owner unironically talks about "stage 1, stage 2" etc as if there is some universal videogame-like system of car modification
Asleep_Current912@reddit
every tuning platform uses that term its pretty much a universal system at this point
Hekik@reddit
Finding out that a car has an OTS tune is a pretty big red flag for me lol
Asleep_Current912@reddit
ok
madmedic22@reddit
I don't have any, but there's quite a few aftermarket kits that are straight up called that, so... 🤷
JP147@reddit
That is kind of the point, they are made to be sold to people who don't know much about cars and don't really know what the individual parts do.
rcp_5@reddit
Brother, that's precisely what I mean! There are tonnes of companies making all sorts of aftermarket shit for every platform these days.
"My GTI is stage 2" ok cool???? That tells me precisely nothing other than you spent a lot of money, and if you can't describe it in any more detail, it also tells me you don't know what you spent your money on....
Tough-Marsupial-6254@reddit
Precisely...just tell me the parts you put in there to get hp/torque #'s and I'll be happy
AbruptMango@reddit
Cold air intake.
ambuguity@reddit
If the filter offers more surface area, the snorkel is wider and the headers to tailpipe are less restricted then there is often performance gain sometimes requiring a retuned ecu.
YozaSkywalker@reddit
OE intakes are the best option in 99% of cases anyway. You're buying the for the sound.
SenatorPickle@reddit
I bought a closed ram intake for my genesis couple just so I could hear the turbo better. You’d never catch me with an open ram intake
Sullypants1@reddit
Warm air intake with the option for water intake if you play your cards right
SenatorPickle@reddit
It’s funny cus you’d be better off using a closed box ram air intake than an open one. But people think it looks cool so it’s instantly better in their minds. Let’s see how much better it is when they keep their engine hydrated lol
currancchs@reddit
The water intakes tend to be the true aftermarket CAIs, mounted in the wheel well, behind the fender liner. You can mitigate this risk with water repelling filter outer covers.
No_Tomato_2106@reddit
They make fun intake noises, that's why I have mine lol
pvallillee@reddit
It's also been debunked that you lose a measurable amount of hp with a ram air intake. Maybe 2-5hp at most.
The--Marf@reddit
The best reason imo.
Tree_Weasel@reddit
Came here to say this. “Oh, you think the reason your base model 2012 Ford Focus isn’t fast is because it doesn’t get enough air?”
s92e92spen15a55t1ar@reddit
It is though.. air is almost always the limiting factor of combustion for all cars on the road.. That's the whole point of turbochargers..
Only_Information7895@reddit
Even turbos have a limit. They have waste gates so they don't push too much air in. If you put on a turbo which can do 100PSI (let's just say using magic) it will knock like crazy or the engine just blows up.
Club_Penguin_Legend_@reddit
Well, not necessarily. Depending on the size of your turbo, 100 PSI could add 10 horsepower or 1000 horsepower. Its horsepower (torque) that kills the engine.
Only_Information7895@reddit
In a decent setup there is some corrections. Unless your intake valves are so tiny that even with 1000PSI it just works then it is an engine design issue.
Otherwise the cylinder would take so much air that trying to just compress the air it would break the piston.
Real setups don't have this issue as you also preferably add more fuel so it will break way before during the ignition cycle or as general stress.
Soggy-Village2099@reddit
What's important is the amount of oxygen. So more air, or colder air making it more dense increase the amount of oxygen it's getting. You can increase flow, but decrease density to the point you are reducing the amount of oxygen.
Dex_Maddock@reddit
And what's the biggest restriction in the air path for the engine?
(Hint: it's not the filter, the filter box, or the piping connecting any of them)
Eziekiel23_20@reddit
Depends on the vehicle.
Dex_Maddock@reddit
Show me a vehicle where the airbox is a bigger restriction than the intake manifold/intake valves.
I'll wait.
Eziekiel23_20@reddit
First, you ask what the biggest restriction is. Next post you ask for something different.
My very common sense reply was to your first statement, Mr I’ll Wait.
mmmmmyee@reddit
Even moreso when car is older (or econobox) and never got the windtunnel studies during its r&d
EchoesFromWithin@reddit
Yeah, but even with less restrictions taking hotter less dense air from the engine bay is worse than taking cooler denser air from outside the engine bay. Air is a limiting factor yes, but CAIs generally do not help.
DreamsRemain@reddit
Lmao, there it is!! 🤣
diothar@reddit
The Cold Air Intake on my 330i was the difference between me getting +3.5 psi boost on jb4 map2 and consistently being able to hit the full +6psi on map3.
This was pretty substantial.
wpmason@reddit
This is truly the one.
It’s actively detrimental, often rather expensive, and when confronted about the ineffectiveness so many will hide behind “I just wanted the intake sound”.
04limited@reddit
I put a cold air intake on my Chevy 5.3 ecotec because I hated having to pull the stock intake off every time I had to do any work at the front of the engine.
The silencer covers the whole area between the motor and radiator - my truck is getting to the point where a lot of the accessories are starting to age out. Probably the best $100 I’ve ever spent. Made replacing the thermostat a simple 3 bolts instead of prying the air box and tube out.
Educational-Raisin69@reddit
Same reason I put one on my wife’s GTI.
motorwerkx@reddit
Sacrificing 3 horsepower for a fun sound really isn't that big of a deal.
wpmason@reddit
The bigger concern is the contaminants that those high flow filters allow to pass.
iHaveLotsofCats94@reddit
But I did just want the intake sounds. Turbo go pshhh
Opening-Ad8300@reddit
Literally, like what is dudes problem?
It’s not like some dumb ass shit like squatting a fucking 1999 Ranger.
badluser@reddit
Right. That is why I bought one, and washable air filter.
ShatterProofDick@reddit
in 90 plus percent of the cases yes, however some closed box CAI are actually cold air intakes that deliver more cold air from outside the vehicle instead of a hot air intake Fleabay special.
The ones that work well are also not cheap.
bdubz325@reddit
No kidding. The Eventuri Intake for my GR Corolla is $1600. That one is legit and professional and absolutely not cheap.
voucher420@reddit
I’m both happy and sad that they don’t make one for my Civic Si.
boiiNXTdoor@reddit
The Eventuri is a meme. OEM airbox is actually very very good.
ShatterProofDick@reddit
Same, but not quite as expensive for the closed box Roush intake on my mustang.
boostedkimura@reddit
Exactly. On a WRX, which has a functional hood scoop (another common BS mod people add) for intercooler, and an average stock intake... if you add a true CAI like an ETS w/ box and tune - it adds tangible power you can measure on a dyno. The tune alone adds pounds of boost. But in general, bs, people think CAI are magic. You need a tune and it only goes so far on NA motors.
wpmason@reddit
But most of those cars had a perfectly good factory CAI that they removed.
ShatterProofDick@reddit
Fair enough. Most can just benefit from a better drop in filter.
I specifically bought mine because it was dyno tested and Rosch has been building performance mustangs for decades.
Since it's closed box, I don't even get the fun turbo noises either 😉
highersense@reddit
No its ok, im sure eventuri spent more money than oems when testing it 😂 a high flow filter is all id ever do for performance with an air intake.
boiiNXTdoor@reddit
Everything is expensive as fuck for the GR Corolla/Yaris. Go check how much a standalone ECU costs lol.
highersense@reddit
Huh?
You dont need an eventuri ever, its engine bay bling.
A standalone ecu is a racecar only thing and only neccesary in really extreme builds.
boiiNXTdoor@reddit
I know, just saying that everything on this platform is very expensive.
Link ECUs on Lancer evos were much much cheaper
highersense@reddit
Im 70k into a 1 series so i know the pain 🥲
Its not something 99% of builds need though, if you are doing aftermarket ecu you've likely spent 40k+ on engine and sequential already
ApotheounX@reddit
But it said +23 horsepower! And everyone knows you can't lie on the internet!
(Disclaimer: Am CAI owner, but it's ducted with a supporting tune, honest!)
currancchs@reddit
For Subarus, some of these numbers used to be without a tune, but that was only because they caused the MAF to underreport in certain rpm/load ranges, causing the fuel mixture to lean out, which made more power (but you could do that with a tune too, and without causing your MAF scaling to be screwy/require calibration if you do decide to tune, which you should).
currancchs@reddit
I've installed those on some cars when I was younger knowing I was taking a performance hit because I enjoyed the intake noise and was too poor to run a true CAI. Nowadays I stick with the factory airbox because I don't want to deal with inferior filtration (I live down a dirt road)/MAF sensors getting contaminated with filter oil and taking off fender liners to clean my air filter.
Sound is a big part of our connection with the vehicle and if you want to hear the induction or turbo noises better and that makes you smile, I'm not going to give you a hard time because you lost 5hp.
Samsterdam@reddit
Don't you only need this if you have a turbo charger?
AbruptMango@reddit
Nothing to do with it. If you're going to change the intake and want anything to happen, you need to change the ECU.
R1tonka@reddit
Yeah. But me like the sounds.
I just wish they’d market the level of wooshey sounds they make, instead of the bullshit horsepower gains.
ViridianEight@reddit
I want the sound bro 😭 fully aware it makes no difference in hp
EdwardPotatoHand@reddit
I put one on my tacoma a decade ago before I knew it was a bad idea. The truck still works fine, so that's good. Also, It sounds better..
s92e92spen15a55t1ar@reddit
My DIY cold air intake routed to outside the engine bay dropped my intake air temps from 150f+ to near ambient.
photonynikon@reddit
Rolling coal
RecommendationUsed31@reddit
That will get your truck reffed in california with the possible loss of the truck. Extremely illegal
voucher420@reddit
I get that the tune adds power, but Jesus thinks you’re a dick for adding so much that a thick cloud of smoke pours out the exhaust every time you hit the throttle. Fire trucks roll coal too, but it’s a modest amount. No way you need more power than a truck that’s literally on its way to a fire!
imthatoneguyyouknew@reddit
A proper tune doesnt need to roll coal. Look up the Banks sidewinder s10. Fastest quarter mile time is a 7.7 at 180. Hardly let's out a puff of smoke. Rolling coal is just fuel that didnt completely burn. That smoke is dollar bills that could have been horsepower.
nullb0i@reddit
Bruh… your knowledge of kit (which absolutely exceeds mine in this space) does nothing, whatsoever, to obviate the observed reality that every single coal roller is a compensating.
imthatoneguyyouknew@reddit
Oh im just pointing out they are pissing away money in fuel for no reason.
nullb0i@reddit
You’re under the misapprehension that those chucklefucks do it for that kind of power. It’s 101% compensation for their … psychological shortcomings
Buckeyebornandbred@reddit
They know what they're doing... pissing everyone else off lol.
eagledog@reddit
Showing everyone that they didn't receive enough positive attention as a kid
RecommendationUsed31@reddit
Carnards everywhere.
Accomplished_Gur1472@reddit
As a mechanic you always hear people Talking some really dumb sh*t about Cars and when you try correcting them they think they are the ones who know more
OGDirtDude117@reddit
High performance oil filter
Thang ain't Scootin
Eschewed_Prognostic@reddit
Tinted windshields
Brake caliper covers
Instagram handle sticker on the window
Ancient-Resident-514@reddit
Instagram handle for a small business I think is appropriate at least. Especially photographers, detailers, mechanics. Imo atleast.
shortbrownguy@reddit
If you ever lived in Florida or Georgia, you's better understand the reasoning for a slightly tinted windshield.
Eschewed_Prognostic@reddit
There are good thermal films that aren't tinted much if at all. I'm also really talking about dark tint that absolutely limits a driver's ability to see in the dark.
DSC9000@reddit
I once had a guy trying to sell a car get mad at ME because the tinted windshield was a deal breaker for the sale.
El_Pozzinator@reddit
Fart pipes and big spoilers on FWD cars, and squat lifts with straight pipes on anything. Not only are they aerodynamically inefficient, they also have no idea how cylinder scavenging and negative pressure waves work. Yay for spending money to be slower, more annoying, and less efficient!
Embarrassed_Pin_3724@reddit
Blacked out taillights.
J-Rag-@reddit
Cold air intake. Like dude, relocating your stock intake from fresh outside air to a cone filter next to the block isn't a cold air intake.
naterpotater246@reddit
Muffler delete. It's really not hard to find a muffler that is both louder and sounds better than stock.
grundlemon@reddit
I will argue that if you're a teenager into cars, you should do a muffler delete / eBay fartcan / cherrybomb just to get it out of your system. It's annoying, but it is a vital part of growing up as a car enthusiast.
jules083@reddit
When does one outgrow wanting a cherrybomb?
Signed - a 42 year old guy that really really wants to put glasspacks on my k2500 Chevy with a 4 bolt main tree-fiddy and Crown Vic Police Interceptor.
grundlemon@reddit
Fuckin do it. 350s deserve open headers even
sevenverified@reddit
a good german inline 6 sounds infinitely better without the muffler
swaite@reddit
I’ve seen far more muffler deletes that sound fantastic than not. I think this is outdated.
owowhatsthis123@reddit
If all you are deleting is a muffler and it’s not like a 1.6l 4 banger fart box odds are it’ll sound pretty good. I did a muffler delete on my g37 and you’d think it would just sound like a trumpet like every other clapped G but it’s actually a very nice deep growl.
Where people run into issues is deleting resonators and cats. It’s that’s when it starts to sound like shit.
My ideal setup is motordyne shockwave with their resonated high flow cat but that’s at least 3k worth of metal so I’ll doubt I’ll have that anytime soon.
Anal_Sandblaster@reddit
Good Christ that’s quite literally the worst platform to do that with. It’s way worse than you think dude.
swaite@reddit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhA_gjmGGYE
Sounds pretty good to my ears. Is it better than a $3000 exhaust that’s been meticulously engineered? Probably not, but for a $150 at a muffler shop, it’s a pretty great bang for your buck.
owowhatsthis123@reddit
And how would you know?
Anal_Sandblaster@reddit
I was born with ears and the ability to hear. I have a coyote with full Borla system. Even if I was completely broke and had a stock exhaust, I’d never cut off the muffler. Absolutely a necessity to have at least a somewhat refined sound.
owowhatsthis123@reddit
So you know someone personally who did exactly what I did and have driven it yourself then? Ur exactly what the guy above was talking about. Outdated boomer ass opinion.
swaite@reddit
I deleted the muffler on my USDM GE8 Honda Fit (1.6L I4) and it sounds incredible--like the way it should have come from the factory. Like I said, it's an outdated notion.
owowhatsthis123@reddit
If anyone could make it work it would be Honda engine
XLBilly@reddit
Resonator delete and keeping the muffler generally sounds better imo. Adds a bit of noise without being obnoxious.
owowhatsthis123@reddit
In my experience it always been the opposite. Resonator keeps that droning tinny noise away that makes cars sound like cheeks.
TheBlackGuy@reddit
Headers, straight piped, cammed LS2 *chefs kiss
Anal_Sandblaster@reddit
You’re outing yourself dude. Muffler deletes sound like shit and it’s not an outdated take. It will forever be the case. Having some sort of muffler is absolutely necessary.
BusterCherry21-_@reddit
Did a muffler delete on my 6th gen ss for $150. Would’ve been well over a grand for any kind of proper exhaust.
Just4kicks86@reddit
Muffler deleted my 2016 rado, sounds great
QuickCharisma15@reddit
Yeah, this one is highly dependent on which car and engine we’re dealing with. Some are good, most are awful.
professional--gooner@reddit
yep, the 3.0 TDI sounds amazing straight piped
Slow_S60_@reddit
Exactly, my turbo 5 cylinder sounds amazing with a muffler delete.
currancchs@reddit
Pretty sure the dodge neon SRT-4 had a factory muffler delete/straight pipe from the cat back. Of course, the cat itself is a pretty decent muffler, usually.
SolarE46@reddit
Muffler delete is free, and if you have crackheads local enough you’ll get a cat delete as well!
WatchingYouWatchMe2@reddit
Cat delete with stock muffler is louder then a muffler delete with a cat.
The Cat does a ton of noise dampening
Mike312@reddit
The rust took care of it on one of my cars.
CommissarCiaphisCain@reddit
Do crackheads have a habit of running over cats? Poor kitties.
TheBlackGuy@reddit
First thing I do when we get a car is bust out the sawzall
jabroni4545@reddit
If you're broke, muffler delete is the best route.
friendIdiglove@reddit
If you’re broke, best route is to keep the muffler you already have. Please.
johnwon00@reddit
Wheels with the wrong offset or tires that don't fir the rims properly width wise.
Pineydude@reddit
Low car with super low cold air intake. Thunderstorm, flooded road, hydrolock.
Beneficial-Door-3985@reddit
This little fins on the roof along the rear window.
MacSavvy21@reddit
Oversized silver rims on a crown Victoria…
KMFDM781@reddit
Coming from the modern VW community: Turbo muffler delete. The only way you even notice more noise is if the car is stock. Otherwise it offers zero benefit. But it's cheap and relatively easy to install.
SkeletorsAlt@reddit
Bad tires on a sporty car or a car with mods.
Worth-Intention6957@reddit
This is my sister. She crashed her FRS because she was being a jackass on winters in the rain, got it repaired through insurance. And she still refuses to buy a set of proper tires, because “tires are too expensive.” All the while she sends me whatever cosmetic bs she wants to install at moment.
I talked her out of the fake brembo brake calliper covers at least… I hope.
ProMasterBoy@reddit
Just tell her to spray paint her callipers red with heat resistant paint
Worth-Intention6957@reddit
I did lol
JakeMiller421@reddit
Sometimes you just want it to be a little tail happy 🤷♂️
Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit
This, the first thing I check on cars is the tires.
Trypt2k@reddit
Nothing. People love what they love and if it's cosmetic and makes them feel better I'm cool with it. A 17yo with a scoop on his V6 can afford that but can't afford an SRT.
LomentMomentum@reddit
Truck owners who add tires so large that they can’t even see the ground.
MIaBlakk@reddit
Rain guards and aftermarket spoilers.
BombZoneGuy@reddit
Whatever is called when the wheels stick out sideways.
Itchy-Grapefruit2756@reddit
Cherry bombs
coolsellitcheap@reddit
Fake bullet hole stickers. Although you don't see them that often anymore.
EarthOk2418@reddit
Upbadging
JP147@reddit
People who know about cars know that it is fake. People who don't know wouldn't notice or care.
ThinSandwhich@reddit
Super popular with s model Audis. People really want that rs without the price tag but they get a complete different body kit usually and the engine is completely different. I see so many people putting rs4 bumpers on stock a4s and s4s
voucher420@reddit
I prefer to down badge. Those who know about cars will think it’s a slow car, and those who don’t know won’t care.
That-Resort2078@reddit
Fake up badging
boarder2k7@reddit
Please do not look too closely at the right hand hood vent, or fender vents on my stock E9X M3 that all go nowhere. The left hood vent is bypass air for the intake at least
Indiesol@reddit
Crackle tunes, diesels built to "roll coal," too much camber on tires that are stretched over rims that are too wide, so many options to choose from.
UberBricky80@reddit
Cambered out wheels
Dangeruss82@reddit
Pop and bang remap.
Realistic_Complex539@reddit
I have a few.
"Cold" air intake which is just an open cone filter in the engine bay.
Any lifted truck with either spacer lifts or crossmember lifts.
Premium fuel in a stock, non-turbo, low compression vehicle. Premium does not mean better.
Fuzzy steering wheel cover.
"Aero" mods.
Anything that blocks the grill.
cookie-ninja@reddit
I would love a fucking fuzzy wheel cover. It's a harmless mod that isn't for 'car guys' but fun and feels nice.
Idk how you're spotting premium fuels in eco boxes.
The rest agreed.
mondaymoderate@reddit
Most of the fuzzy wheel covers I come across don’t fit the steering wheel so they spin around the wheel and the wheel doesn’t move making them super dangerous.
cookie-ninja@reddit
Lol really? If that's the case then no get that temu shit off. But I drove a friend's mini that had a pink fuzzy wheel cover it was fit just fine and had grips built in
sevenverified@reddit
I think they were made for minis lol, everyone's hating on them saying they slip but when I had a mini the fuzzy steering wheel cover my gf put on was amazing. except for the hair always landing in my vape lol
Realistic_Complex539@reddit
Fuzzy wheel covers can be dangerous, they get in the way and can slip. Im not really talking about the ones with a 5 o' clock shadow, im talking about the un-tamed bust that Christine has in her Prius.
I used to pump gas for a living, I have put premium in several stock cars where the fuel door clearly says "E87" because the customer asked. I also work with several people who get in arguments with me because I tell them that their stock v8 silverado does not need premium because its "better fuel."
sevenverified@reddit
they only slip if your wheel is too small.
Educational-Toe42@reddit
Love the looks on people's faces when me and my boy hop out his Honda Accord and put diesel in. Volks TDI swap
Longjumping_Dark3827@reddit
what do you consider the threshold for low/high compression, 12:1 or where?
For the most part i just go with the gas cap. My work v8 silverado is 11:1 compressuon ratio and calls for regular, my personal 86 is 12.5:1 and calls for premium. Both cars naturally aspirated
Educational-Raisin69@reddit
Compression ratio is more or less irrelevant when talking about an unmodified vehicle. If the car is tuned for 87, putting premium in it gets you nothing. Mazda Skyactiv engines have a 13:1 compression ratio and run on regular.
Realistic_Complex539@reddit
I say low compression for those who dont want to get into the specifics of valve timing. Yes, a vehicle with 11:1 compression will need timing to be adjusted in order to run regular reliably. My trailblazer(11:1) an tacoma(11.8:1) both could retard or advance timing to prevent knock. On vehicles with higher compression and VVT, you CAN run premium for marginal gains that frankly arent worth the cost. Forced induction vehicles generally call for plus or premium since youre cramming more shit into the cylinder, which can cause knock without higher octane rated fuel.
hibbity@reddit
the 87 always has ethanol. especially anything with a turbo will just about make up the price difference in mileage and maintenance savings. ethanol runs hotter. Lots of engines it doesn't matter at all, but a few don't like it.
Mine, it's kind of a big difference. The adaptive tune gets out of whack. I lose almost 5mpg.
cookie-ninja@reddit
I don't know why Christine's with priuses. I know an Alli with a Mini, her fuzzy covers were grippy
ryverrat1971@reddit
And the fuzzy cover means no burnt hand in summer and no freezing one in winter.
Puzzleheaded_Loss770@reddit
Anything installed with self tappers or tech screws
NoEmu5969@reddit
Grill blocking is an eco mod that doesn’t affect cooling as long as a space equal or more than 1/3 of the radiator’s frontal area is open. Grill sizes vary enormously between two vehicles with the same engine.
Terriblis_Pater@reddit
Grill blocking haters can go to Hell (Michigan, of course). When it's negative teens outide with a windchill, I'm gonna block off that entire front end just so my F350 diesel can produce some .. lukewarm air.
SparkyWrench1@reddit
I have CAI but it isn't really for cold air. It's for more air. Intercooler for cooler air.
cruddyducks@reddit
i also have a CAI but it's not for cold air (until canada winter) or for more air
i just wanna hear my car
i_am_zombie_76@reddit
I had fuzzy dice in my Indy pace truck that added 7 horsepower!
reidft@reddit
Cardboard in front of the radiator/grill is GOATed during the winter though
Realistic_Complex539@reddit
Yeah, but I live in central Texas. It never gets cold enough to neet to do that
SD_CA@reddit
Just because I don't know. What's the problem with the 1inch,3/4 body spacer lifts?
Realistic_Complex539@reddit
My issue isnt exactly with body lifts, I used them in the past when my issue fitting bigger tires with the amount of travel I had was the body. Suspension spacer lifts dont really do anything for your suspension, unless youre pairing them with expensive parts like new control arms or coils/shocks. Done perfectly right, which nobody does, a spacer lift can be paired with adjustable coilovers and longer travel tie rods, control arms, and CV axles on trail rigs to increase downtravel while keeping a small lift. But, without extra parts, youre just fucking the suspension geometry and having a worse ride with the same suspension.
SD_CA@reddit
Oh ok. I was thinking about doing body spacers with a slightly taller tire. I love my current suspension and didn't want to risk messing it up. It would be about 2 inches taller combined.
Imaginary_Ad_6352@reddit
How about the eyelashes around the headlights in a VW beetle.
wllbst@reddit
360 camera mounted as a gap cam.
ElPresidente714@reddit
Honda TRD Pro, Toyota M3…. Shitty up-badging
ThunderNinja69@reddit
If I become a billionaire I’m going to do some gaudy shit for lols.
One of them will be to buy a Ferrari or Bugatti and put a Type R sticker across the top of the windshield.
Sez_Whut@reddit
Jack, gas cans, high air inlet on some jeep that will never be off roaded.
HemiChgr@reddit
All those ducks need a snorkel.
Eagle_1776@reddit
esp the leg busting hi lift across the hood... makes me chuckle every time
Sicarius67@reddit
That Fuking STUPID Wing on the back of those civics......dumb ass ricers!
CuriousMost9971@reddit
Throttle body spacers.
Feeling_Art4425@reddit
Putting NIsmo stickers on Mazdas, GR/TRD on hondas, Spoon/Mugen on Toyotas.
Its literally declaring to the world hey look at me I know nothing about cars! And when asked, they say oh I just liked the design is why I put it on there 😁
Dry_Substance_7547@reddit
Underbody lighting. 90% of the time it is tacky, overdone and doesn't match the rest of the car's vibe.
Hydraulics. Useless for everything except ripping your front bumper off because you forgot to raise it, or giving your girlfriend whiplash and a concussion.
Non-stock spoilers on any vehicle that has obviously never even seen a racetrack. Just added weight and drag for 0 benefit.
Any tacky, cheap or flashy mods on an expensive sports car. Instantly tells you the owner is a spoiled rich kid who will probably try to sue you if you so much as breathe on their freshly waxed chrome.
jerkstor@reddit
Get my town has like a thousand canards all over his s* Honda.
scoobsnfish@reddit
Tinted taillights
TommyGun69420@reddit
Not sure if this counts but when someone buys a car with an “upgrade” package that just adds fake exhaust tips like the ford explorer st. Like they think it’s a cool factory mod but it’s just cringe.
Nodnardsemaj@reddit
Spoilers on cars that don't need downforce. A flow master on original pipe
Nekrostatic@reddit
Sponsorship decals.
That they paid for.
For brands that aren't even on the car.
Own_Jackfruit_5246@reddit
A tuner exhaust on a muscle car.
UsefulNorth122@reddit
Not sure this belongs here but those pick-ups rocking that “Carolina Squat”
Bright-Water-3773@reddit
Those silly ass fender stripe stickers. Yer clapped out Chrysler 300 doesn’t look cool just bc u painted the tires with a paint pen to have raised red letters.
phatelectribe@reddit
pops/bangs (misfires).
It's the literally the sign of a poorly tuned engine. Everytime I hear it, my brains goes "Amateur - they don't know what they're doing"
The_Cat_Of_Ages@reddit
i mean the turbo cars im familiar with tend to pop between shifts.
phatelectribe@reddit
Not stock they don’t.
The_Cat_Of_Ages@reddit
well, my 90s turbo cars im familiar with did.
Prism3@reddit
it’s ignition retard on decel/sub 10% throttle, it has no impact on WOT tuning and most owners know what the implications it has on their valvetrains. is it annoying? Yeah. Does it mean they don’t know what they’re doing? Inconclusive
Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit
Not sure it's what they were getting at, but decel backfires are pretty easy to tune out so it does mean they don't know what they're doing.
Prism3@reddit
I don’t know if you missed my point but it’s intentional. You and the guy who posted the comment know that. Pops and bangs most of the time are tuned into a map at customer request. Of course it’s easy to tune out, it’s just Ctrl+Z
Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit
Well the intentional ones are even dumber, the tuner may know what they're doing, but the customer is an annoying idiot.
Prism3@reddit
Oh my goodness cool man are you capable of a discussion without inserting your opinion in every message
Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit
no
knsaber@reddit
Rear window louvers on every car from Nissans to even Teslas!! Why waste money on these things???
McGuyThumbs@reddit
Lol, I used to think this way. Then I realized everyone has different tastes. Some want their pickup slammed to the ground, others want to use a ladder to get in. Some people like giant wings, some people think wings look ugly. Some people what their cars to bounce, some what them to be as light as possible, some want 1000hp. Some people want their wheels to keep spinning when they are stopped.
At the end of the day, who cares, to each their own. I respect all car people and their passion for their ride. Even if it is something I would never do to one of my vehicles.
grelsi@reddit
Cold air induction
JayDiB@reddit
K & N air filter.
Bigredtruckguy@reddit
Oh man where to start.
1) people who put rims and tires on their cars that stick way out past the fender. Because they don’t understand Backspacing and offset.
2) people who think that modifications are going to give you lots of extra power with no turning required. Just bolt on and go.
3)People who only change the oil once a year because the manufacturers said so and they still use crappy OEM filters.
Club_Penguin_Legend_@reddit
OEM filters are not crappy.
Bigredtruckguy@reddit
They may not be crap compared to other crappy filters. But if I gave a choice to run a Motorcraft or AC Delco filter or something like a WIX HP. I’m prob choosing the WIX.
rdadeo@reddit
Cutting down their existing springs to "Lower" the car.
us3lessthrowaway@reddit
Any stick on aesthetic things from autozone/oreillys like those fake vents, etc.
wh7751@reddit
24" wheels and rubber band tires on a lifted Crown Vic (or similar).
Basically any design without function.
ActuatorTasty4982@reddit
Nah this hater shit
yottyboy@reddit
Donks are a thing. You might not like them but they aren’t done by people who don’t know what they’re doing.
wh7751@reddit
"Donks"... never heard that until I was today years old. I'm ol' skool but curious. Why is that styled car called that?
To_hell_with_it@reddit
Because it's ridonkulous. I don't actually know for sure if that's it but that was the answer I was given by the guy that I chatted with that had one
Tough-Marsupial-6254@reddit
And good Donks aren't done cheaply especially when you're springing for the matching steering wheel
Brilliant_Account_31@reddit
That actually takes a surprising amount of engineering skill to build correctly.
WizeAdz@reddit
Jacked up trucks are worse at towing than factory-height ones.
If you’re towing with a lifted truck — well, let’s just say that you value fashion more than practicality and safety.
There’s nothing wrong with being a guy who values fashion, just don’t make your truck bad at doing truck-things for fashion.
TheDeviousLemon@reddit
What percent of trucks sold in the US have ever towed anything though?
ActuatorTasty4982@reddit
Probably like 1/4
Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit
Often sure, but not exclusively, both is doable.
s4ltydog@reddit
See and for me, even a lift in general his a very low ceiling for what looks good. Most trucks look best with a modest like 2 inch lift and going up just a size or two in tire size. Anything else is getting stupid looking and wildly impractical.
Comfortable-Carrot18@reddit
People putting in a K&N air filter that sucks hot air from inside the engine compartment. They remove the stock system that pulls cool air from outside the engine bay.
Serious-Arm-3146@reddit
Rear spoiler on a frontwheel driven car
Catzsocks@reddit
Not a mod, but worn out tires.
SheepherderAware4766@reddit
Bumper hitch on an F250 or bigger, especially if it's the premium edition (king ranch, iirc)
Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit
What? You mean like the actual bumper instead of a receiver?
SheepherderAware4766@reddit
Yes. They're limited to 600 lbs, so utterly useless for towing
capjustcap@reddit
Improper back spaced wheels on 4x4 trucks. I'll go as far as 20 or 22 inch wheels that stick out 8 or 9 inches past fenders. Don't they know that's extremely hard on ball joints and other suspension components?
Bob-Roman@reddit
Based on benefit cost, it would have to be installing aftermarket cold air intake on a stock engine.
Without a chip and exhaust, CAI is a joke.
Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit
A "chip", the 90s called, they want you stop using their terms.
Bob-Roman@reddit
I don't really care. And who is "they" anyhow.
Prism3@reddit
Maybe on like 3 platforms with ECUs with a refresh rate of 1 Hert, most factory ECUs can adjust for increased mass air flow and lowered IATs, you know, like in December?
Frosty-Nebula-5978@reddit
As well as often it isn’t even getting cooler air.
morningstar243@reddit
performance exhaust on a 1.0 engine 👏
purekillforce1@reddit
Coloured windscreen tint.
OkTechnician4610@reddit
Lowered till almost touching floor & massive spoilers.
WillowPuzzleheaded87@reddit
Fake vents. But the most humorists thing I’ve seen. Was a sunroof visor, on a car that didn’t even have a sunroof. I was like wtf and just thinking but why.
NeighborhoodFar515@reddit
Fake spec badges i.e. M badges
VW-MB-AMC@reddit
Rims that are too wide for the tires.
Cut coil springs.
StaarvinMarvin@reddit
Fine for a skid pig that is worth $1000 imo
VW-MB-AMC@reddit
No matter how trashed the car looks, bad alignment and wonky suspension stoll makes it unsafe to drive.
StaarvinMarvin@reddit
Bah none of that matters if your sole goal is to make smoke and pop tyres
VW-MB-AMC@reddit
You are not alone on the road. An unsafe car can also create problems for others.
reidft@reddit
I'm buying my buddy's 350z and some dork before him dropped it as far as he could. It's the most atrocious ride quality I've ever experienced, and I've driven some real stinkers. Any time there's a bump in the road my cheeks get air time. The day I register it is the day it goes back to stock suspension.
titanicdiamond@reddit
Depends on the car. If it's a true shit box, it's acceptable.
VW-MB-AMC@reddit
No matter how trashy the car is, it is still not safe to drive on.
titanicdiamond@reddit
I absolutely guarantee me in my shitbox is way safer than most vehicles and drivers. 😂 Cut springs just increase the spring rate.
S2kKyle@reddit
Burble aka popcorn tunes.
AggressiveKing8314@reddit
Slip and slide
Debowhiz@reddit
tail light and headlight tinting or smoked covers. No one can see you’re braking and drivers can’t see where they’re going. Brilliant mod.
Club_Penguin_Legend_@reddit
I have tinted tail lights but i also switched out the halogen bulbs for LEDs. Now it looks just as bright as normal, but i get blacked out tail lights on my black car.
steinfink1@reddit
After market spoilers
Small-Studio@reddit
Catless NA 4 beaters
Xerzi7@reddit
Louvres on rear windows
kernowgringo@reddit
I saw a Subaru Impreza in full rally spec that had been lowered to the ground, I doubt they could get out of the supermarket car park let alone do a rally stage
CakesForLife@reddit
Doesn’t the MINI Cooper S have a fake bonnet “scoop” from factory?
Pluto-Wolf@reddit
off-roading mods done to cars that have never once in their lives been off-roading. your giant all-terrain tires are weeping tears every time you approach an on ramp to the freeway.
Electrical-Fold-8217@reddit
Crazy camber on Jap rides and Carolina squat on any truck.
mrkillfreak999@reddit
Bagged and extreme cambers
not1or2@reddit
Those ridiculous flashing centre lights at the rear like the F1 cars.
Tough-Marsupial-6254@reddit
If it draws attention so I dont get rear ended, gotta allow it
not1or2@reddit
It doesn’t draw any attention. If anything it’s distracting, you see it and start laughing at the stupidity and how ridiculous it looks.
jaredthegeek@reddit
A big cone intake filter in the engine bay just sucking in all that nice hot engine air.
R2-Scotia@reddit
Houston swangers
Prism3@reddit
It’s a culture with history in Houston, if you don’t like it then look away
R2-Scotia@reddit
dangerous
Prism3@reddit
True
SnooFloofs3486@reddit
2 gallon rotopax gas cans hung on the outside.
DmitriVanderbilt@reddit
Lol I'll be the idiot that bites then, why is this bad? I thought it was way worse to keep a Jerry can in your vehicle because of the fumes concerns?
SnooFloofs3486@reddit
It's 2 gallons. It's pointless. If you're serious about long range travel - you'll have jerry cans in a carrierb or a proper long range fuel tank. Two jerry cans have 10.5 gallons. That might actually get you somewhere.
The only situation a rotopax makes sense is on a motorcycle where 2 gallons might take you 100+ miles.
DmitriVanderbilt@reddit
Ahhh I see what you're saying. The small cans are definitely more "tacticool" than they are useful aside from small engine stuff.
SnooFloofs3486@reddit
Exactly! They're sized for adventure bikes but became the darling of the "overland" cosplay crowd.
Rotopax are pretty well made too. Just not the right tool.
vh43@reddit
Large wheels. They make everything worse and their only reason to exist is so you can fit larger brakes. Which most people don't.
Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit
Be great if the tire companies agreed. There's a real lack of high performance tires that aren't low profile.
RealisticQuality7296@reddit
Big sidewalls are bad for handling
Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit
Many disagree.
Sweet_Common_55@reddit
The massive trucks, with lifts, big wheels etc. The heaviest thing they carry around is their overweight wife to texas roadhouse on the weekends 🤣. I dont know why they cosplay being a blue collar worker.
howrunowgoodnyou@reddit
Brightly painted drum brakes.
Painted gas door.
It’s like they wanna modify but they don’t have money so they just buy spray paint.
Pleasant-Weekend-163@reddit
Unusable tow hooks. Or hood pins in a factory aluminum hood.
Weinerdogwhisperer@reddit
Trimmed fenders on jeeps in Florida. I understand what they're for but it's Florida. Almost none of those jeeps have the articulation where the fenders are going to be hitting the tires. And secondly if you're offroad around here you are dealing with mud and sand not rock crawling and wider fenders would actually be a really good idea
RoppFTW@reddit
Lifted pickup trucks.
DoggoCity@reddit
I could go on but you get my point 😭
Eziekiel23_20@reddit
Window louvers on a fox mustang? Ewww
Beautiful-Fold-3234@reddit
Fox mustangs in general? Ewww
reidft@reddit
Disagree on louvers. They absolutely fuck on any old liftback. First gen celicas should all have them.
bu_bu_ba_boo@reddit
Louvers looked so good on so many '80s cars that some of them look wrong without them.
Celicas/Supras til '85. 200SX (S12) and Z/ZX cars.
Tough-Marsupial-6254@reddit
Louvers look good on an old 240z
aqua_delight@reddit
Squatted suspension says less gay to me, more "i have a really small penis." Lmao
SOLE_SIR_VIBER@reddit
I’m gay and had a tiny street truck that would haul ass all day long. Don’t know how well I can dodge small, maybe average on a good day.
aqua_delight@reddit
Yeah but was the back suspension lowered and the front suspension raised? Or was it all lowered?
SOLE_SIR_VIBER@reddit
All low, it should be on my banner actually.
aqua_delight@reddit
That's not squatted, that's lowered. I'm talking about back suspension lowered but front suspension raised. That tells me someone either has a small dick or low IQ, or both! A two for one! Lol
SOLE_SIR_VIBER@reddit
oh no, I know my truck wasn’t squatted, my truck actually could do truck stuff instead of advertising daddy’s money and a loose anus.
aqua_delight@reddit
That made me crack TF up lmao!
jrileyy229@reddit
Giant wings on any street car.. unless they also track it and do time trials....
Musketeer00@reddit
Stance, Spending time, effort and money to make your car worse in every conceivable metric .
Prism3@reddit
Clearly if people keep doing it then they’re improving it for themselves and other people who like the look or experience. Keep shaking your fist at their cars though they love that shit
Musketeer00@reddit
I'm shaking my head, not my fist. Stance is a by-product of clout chasers and children not understanding what they are doing or why. Some real lemmings behavior.
I've asked every stancer I've ever met why, what do they get out of it? The best answer I've received in the past 15 years was, "Stance makes her dance." It doesn't make it faster, or safer, or handle better , or give it a smoother ride, it sure as shit doesn't look good, so why?
Best answer is peacocking, to get women to look at your shiny thing and think your hotshit, but every woman that I've spent anytime with will inevitably ask, "What's wrong with that car?" whenever they see a stanced car, followed by "Why would they do that, on purpose?" No dancing, no dropped panties, just bewilderment.
So I'll put the question to you, why do it? Are you spending entire weekends in the garage maxing out credit cards with 28% interest rates just to rage bait other car guys? Cause you aren't improving anything. Your car rides like shit, handles like shit, runs like shit, and an oil pan replacement is part of your regular oil change. So how? How does it improve the experience?
Maximum effort for an all around worse experience is all I see. The body-lifted trucks of the car scene.
Prism3@reddit
You’re THIS mad over what somebody else does to their car? It’s like asking why someone gets tattoos, or gets frosted tips. Because it’s fun for the owners and the drivers, and they think it looks good. Not everything is about you, nobody is trying to make you mad, but you having this disproportionate of a reaction to somebody modifying a car in a way you don’t approve of just adds to why it’s fun.
And of course you somehow manage to make it about women, nice one. No it’s not about women, it’s about enjoying stupid shit with friends, or building a show car in the image of something that inspired them. Hot rods were seen as stupid once, low riders were seen as stupid once, yet here they are, still thriving with people who do it for the love of the game. It’s one thing to say something isn’t for you, but my god you must be a miserable soul to take it so personally.
Musketeer00@reddit
I don't have to share a road with tattoos that slung their wheel, hub and all across 4 lanes.
I've never been stuck behind frosted tips because they couldn't get out of a parking lot.
I brought up women because Peacocking is the only logical answer I've ever received in defense of stance in the past 15 years. Like back when people called it Hellaflush.
Hotrods go fast, stance cars trade substance for flash.
But let's stick with the hotrod example for a minute. You and your friends could get so much more out of the experience if you built hotrods. You could do all the same things with a hotrod that you just mentioned and drive it home from the show.
Imagine how much more fun it would be to actively try to make a car better, rather than spending so much effort making it worse.
Imagine having frame rails, the glory of structural rigidity.
"You’re THIS mad" - Again not mad, just clearly laying out my thought process and opinions.
And my opinion, formed, over the lifespan of stance culture, is that I find your way of going about this hobby is a waste of time and money but wouldn't care at all if it also wasn't dangerous and inconvenient to me and everyone else on the road.
In the same vein of lifted/squatted trucks, or that one ass that runs a straight pipe on his daily, I only care because sharing the road with you sucks.
I've been under enough stanced cars to know that you are a safety hazard for everyone else on the road.
Prism3@reddit
YOU would have more fun building and driving a hot rod. What’s fun for one isn’t true for all. Something you don’t seem to understand. Some of my friends build 700whp Civics and Z06s. Some of my friends have old Capris. Some of my friends build bagged or static stance cars. We all appreciate eachothers build our cars because we see the passion that goes into them.
By the way, I own a track car, not a stance car. Inconceivable that somebody could advocate for letting people have enjoy things even though I don’t do it myself, ain’t it. Kinda weird having you direct all those stance car jabs at me when I could run laps around you at the track😬 And stop thinking everything you do has to get girls, unless that’s how you have fun. Then just stay away from me
Musketeer00@reddit
You can defend stupid all you want, it's still stupid. If you want to argue with strangers on the internet, I'm happy to oblige.
talk up your track skills all you want, I doubt we'll ever knowingly share asphalt.
I don't think you are reading my comments, to be clear, "stance makes her dance" was the only real defense from stance boys that I've received. I only bring it up to point out how stupid it is, just like stance itself is stupid.
Prism3@reddit
Stance boys shouldn’t need to defend anything. If you don’t understand something or you feel it’s stupid, you’re entitled to your opinion. But it seems you’re going up to people with a holier than thou, ‘my opinion is a fact’ attitude, then you frame the person’s reaction as a defense… You’re gonna get stupid responses. Enjoy your opinion, cherish it, it makes you special, but please just end the 15 year streak of trying to impose it on everyone with a lowered car
Musketeer00@reddit
I responded to the prompt of the post, you're the one that decided to engage with my opinion. All you had to do is downvote and keep scrolling.
How I approach people at car shows is widely different than how I address someone crawling through their router looking for an argument. My "holier than thou" attitude is directed squarely at you and your contrarian nonsense.
On here trying to talk up you track skills like your Go Mifune when you ain't even Dick Dastardly. lol
JP147@reddit
Awful it may be, they do know what they are doing. They are just doing it wrong on purpose.
Ponklemoose@reddit
This really ought to be the top comment.
InternetExploder87@reddit
Oil filter - high performance Pennzoil - synthetic 1/3 of a tank of jetfuel
CrashingTiger@reddit
any straight piped 4 banger.
acreekofsoap@reddit
Angry eyes on a Jeep!
ApprehensiveClub6969@reddit
Had to scroll way too far down to see this one
LoneWolfAMG@reddit
Caliper covers gotta be my favorite one.
dalekaup@reddit
PIckups that have tires that jut several inches beyond the fenders. Has anyone seen an open wheel race crash caused to touching tires?
Calvinloz@reddit
Excessive camber and that whole stanced scene
Onyxxx_13@reddit
Fwd cars without a front lip but a bunch of other mods
D1133@reddit
When people paint rear rotors a bright color. You’re drawing attention to an inferior braking system than discs. But that’s just me I guess.
IAmTheBoiledFrog@reddit
Jeeps with wheels so giant that they can't even carry a spare because it won't fit on the back of the vehicle.
Thatguy7242@reddit
Tow hooks and straps on the street.
ShrmpHvnNw@reddit
Just saw an Audi that was lowered, muffler was sparking off the ground and clouds of white smoke were coming out….
TankerKC@reddit
Extra flashing brake lights.
AdLimp8367@reddit
beadlocks on clearly stock cars 🤦🏼♂️
Beneficial_Leg4691@reddit
Anime
cammed2vgt@reddit
Any car where the owner added Lambo doors that go up. Instantly tells me you don’t have good taste and only care about trying to show off or impress other non car people.
MaxNerd115@reddit
Canted wheels on a car that spends most of its time on public roads.
CaliforniaNavyDude@reddit
K&N air filter. Experience tells you oiled filters ruin sensors and there's no performance benefit compared to normal dry filters.
Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit
Poorly oiled filter ruin sensors.
There are benefits to a K&N.
CaliforniaNavyDude@reddit
Ah, you drank the kool-aid, eh?
Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit
Kool-Aid is yummy.
Chaos1357@reddit
huge "coffee can" exhaust tips. 90% of the time, they are at the end of stock exhaust pipes, doing nothing but telling everyone around you that you are an idiot.
Chainsawsas70@reddit
The "it was designed by a 12 year old Exhaust" lots of noise and zero performance enhancement. But hey... We can All hear you from a half mile away sounding like an Idiot 🤣
heyitsmewaldo@reddit
Installing a short ram intake inplace of the air filter and calling it a cold air intake.
Malarky3113@reddit
Kid I went to high school with had one of the AutoZone stick on hood scoops on his Buick century. But it wasn't centered. After further inspection, he actually put it over his intake and holesawed through the hood.
Truly a well thought through mistake.
PM_ME_YOUR_SUBARU@reddit
lift kit - makes it handle like shit on the road
lowering kit - makes it scrape on bad roads
coilovers - too bumpy
snorkle - if you go that deep in water other stuff breaks first
cold air intake - most of them are worse than the factory airbox
exhaust system - makes it harder to listen to your steely dan tapes
carbon fiber tape/wrap - doesn't reduce weight
big tires - bad fuel economy and handling
big wheels - bad handling
small tires - bad handling
big brake kit - pointless on a street car
anime wraps - absolutely degenerate
window tint - illegal
aftermarket stereo - too much bass
bucket seats - what, you don't want to snuggle your wife on the bench?
headlight conversion - don't blind me asshole
engine tuning - blows your engine up
short throw shifter - what are you a t-rex
poly bushings - too squeaky
angry jeep grille - scary
decepticon badges - grow up
aero - you don't drive fast
catch cans on N/A port injected cars - pointless
birfield conversion kits - u joints are fine
u-joint conversion kits - birfields are fine
u-bolt flip kits - you don't wheel that hard
Don't modify your car, the factory got it right (all my cars are modified)
JP147@reddit
This is the best and more underrated reply on this thread
Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit
I read the first two and just noped.
Prism3@reddit
literally this entire thread
Jonny-Raze@reddit
Putting an H pipe on a Corolla.
MarchCompetitive6235@reddit
$3000 worth of wheels and tires on a $500 car.
JP147@reddit
This is the standard for many of us who are into old junk cars.
The wheels get sold separately when you sell the car or keep them and put them on the next car you buy.
Half the cars I see for sale on marketplace say "price doesn't include wheels" or "comes with different wheels to pictures".
Cassiexxx1234@reddit
I used to think the same thing, then someone said “You do realize that they can be removed and put on another car, right?” And that made me think, ok ok you might have a point there.
MarchCompetitive6235@reddit
Soo....you buy tires and wheels that you hope will be worthy of the car you hope to afford someday? Why not get the better car first? I don't know. Just seems backwards to me, but that's just me I guess.
Prism3@reddit
Because better is subjective. What’s good for you isn’t always good for others and vice versa
MarchCompetitive6235@reddit
Expensive wheels on a crappy car feel like something you'd add on once the rest of car is sorted. A bit like waxing around the dents I suppose.
Muttonboat@reddit
vortex generators
JP147@reddit
- "Electric superchargers" that are a little fan in the intake pipe.
- Magnets that clip over the fuel lines to spiritually align the fuel molecules.
- Fuel saving modules that plug into the lighter or OBD ports and just flash some LEDs.
- Adjustable vacuum leak valves that might actually save fuel at the cost of potential engine damage.
highersense@reddit
And dive planes on the front edges of the bumper.
NoEmu5969@reddit
Real vortex generators are for reduced stall speed and are much smaller than you see on Civics and Evos.
s4ltydog@reddit
God yes this needs to be higher, this is such a popular mod in the WRX community and it fucking kills me, it looks stupid, you look stupid, even on actual race cars where they may help they look stupid, but at least they are functional. Your bone stock VA just looks stupid.
tothewalls069@reddit
Those fur balls that people hang of their front bumper.
RandomInternetGuy545@reddit
Spacers, widened stance, crazy wide tires, massive wheels with super low pros, dished wheels, aftermarket headlights, stance.
BreakFun2436@reddit
Light bars, wheel spacers, and rubber bands. Chasing fads always makes you look stupid. Everyone besides the driver seems to understand this.
reptifishv8@reddit
Loud exhaust that drone like mad on a completely stock car. It is the worst sound on earth. And you will never ever notice the three extra horsepower your getting so its pointless and stupid.
sprocketpropelled@reddit
Raptor lights and running boards.
Tsu_na_mi@reddit
Not exactly to theme, but the worst mods have to be Swangers, followed closely by squatted trucks. They are both dangerous to others and make you look like a dork.
2021fireman10@reddit
Jacked up pick up trucks making them completely useless for what they were designed for.
OnlyTime609@reddit
Lifted diesel trucks with the 10 inch rims and rubber band tires. Powerful truck is just turned into a street princess
Stock_Block2130@reddit
The Carolina squat. Unsafe. Looks stupid. Now illegal but never enforced.
Designer-Travel4785@reddit
Self adhesive recovery hooks. WTF!
optigrabz@reddit
Door edge guards made of cheap plastic-chrome that completely interrupts the horizontal lines of any car.
Myaccoubtdisappeared@reddit
The fake hood with no cut outs is sooo faux pas.
When a dude revs his car at the traffic lights, I now realise that’s my cue to start gripping the shaft of my gear stick.
I just imagine it’s the other dudes gear stick.
At least, that’s what all the other car guys tell me!
GraphicWombat@reddit
Cut coils. I can tell. It looks like shit. AND it performs like shit.
Sweatyfatmess@reddit
High boost w/o a fuel delivery tune. Coffee can tips on stock exhausts. Stratospheric suspension lifts on trucks that don’t go off-road.
WeeklySky3512@reddit
Pop and bang tune on something lightly modified
Soggy-Village2099@reddit
Hot air intakes.
Pinktops@reddit
Power adders (turbo and or big turbo) and then keeping the stock completely open differential.
EmperorGeek@reddit
Large chrome wheels with low profile tires on a Pickup Truck.
lunchbox651@reddit
Hmm, most of the comments are about bad aesthetic choices that don't make sense in track applications.
I'm more concerned when someone in a car with thousands of dollars of mods fires up and they've got belt squeal or you hear their engine running rough.
jim_br@reddit
Non-stock suspensions. Meaning exaggerated stanced, squatted, or lifted vehicles.
For lifted trucks, those with a 4”+ lift combined with 22”+ rims.
Tinted windshields on cars that also bought that $10 can of NightShades and blacked out their sidemarkers and taillights. I feel they’re like the baby covering their eyes and playing peek-a-boo.
Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit
Plenty of valid reasons to mod suspensions.
jim_br@reddit
You missed the word “exaggerated“.
Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit
So what you meant to say was. "Meaning exaggerated: stanced, squatted, or lifted vehicles."?
Grammar, the difference between knowing your shit, and knowing you're shit.
SoupInteresting8070@reddit
When you lift the bonnet up and are faced with one of those cone air filters and a load of blue silicon hoses!
akumarux@reddit
Who cares, each to their own. Most true car guys don't give 2 shits about what old mate did with his car and why it's dumb, too busy doing dumb things to our own cars.
ottrocity@reddit
I firmly believe that lifted trucks should be banned from on-road use. Out of all of the mods people do to vehicles, those are the most dangerous for everyone around them.
I think that if a truck is lifted it's mandatory to have an ORV license that includes a safety inspection.
I also think that a separate license should be required for anything that weighs over ~4,000lbs.
Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit
I think everyone who wants to restrict others freedoms should be....
ottrocity@reddit
Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, provided one doesn't infringe on another's.
Someone's pursuit of happiness does not trump someone's right to life.
benicebuddy@reddit
Anyone who talks about power added without a dyno sheet, Et printout from a run, or a tune is buying conversation-starters, not performance improvements, and that's OK. My truck sounds cool. I don't care if I gave up 20 hp for it. That 20 hp will never make a difference in my life. The 20 hp you gain from a tune to properly calibrate your intake and exhaust also will have no material impact on anyone not racing for money. Even getting that full 20 hp is completely meaningless on the road unless you are racing....for.....money. Otherwise, it is all just experimenting for fun and vanity.
Most mods we do are for our own preference and to talk about at cars and coffee and if you take it more seriously than that but you aren't regularly measuring your car's performance as a result of your mods in a competition with prizes, it is just vanity.
Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit
These days the vehicle's computer is doing it's own HP/Torque calculation and can often display that information.
There's plenty of reasons for more HP that aren't "racing....for.....money".
Tough-Marsupial-6254@reddit
I dont know, a 20hp boost in my 72hp car would be wonderful
Steelhornet4K@reddit
Squatted trucks.
therynosaur@reddit
Fake hood pins also
SecondVariety@reddit
oil catch can, BOV, pedal commanders and other piggyback solutions
Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit
Everyone of those has a legit application.
Prism3@reddit
Hold up let me just delete my BOV and blow thru 3 compressor wheels because SecondVariety said I don’t know what I’m doing
highersense@reddit
Whats wrong with catch can and pedal tuners? Its nice to be able to make your own throttle map and a catch can is a maintenance thing.
IndependentFit4748@reddit
35" off-road tires on a daily driver that never sees mud.
Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit
There's plenty of other reasons for tires like that.
OregonMothafaquer@reddit
Huge offset wheels
Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit
You mean negative offset right?
speed-and-powerrr@reddit
Pedal commander.
Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit
Nahh, they have a place.
avoidhugeships@reddit
Stance cars should be the number one answer. It makes the car dramatically worse.
Prism3@reddit
Worse for you
avoidhugeships@reddit
Objectively worse. Slower acceleration, worse handling, worse braking, worse tire wear, worse ride.
Prism3@reddit
And fun for the owners. Stance cars are dumb, but so are cammed V8s anywhere but the track. Barely idles, rough takeoffs, stiff clutches, reduced torque down low, awful gas mileage, and a powerband you can’t even use on the street. But those boomers sit behind the wheel smiling and enjoying every second of it. I don’t understand stance much either, but I can appreciate how proud the owners are when they can push the limits of their chassis just a bit further. So again, worse for you. You wouldn’t enjoy it and you don’t have to, you don’t even have to try and understand the benefits. It’s okay to say things are not for you.
cru1972@reddit
People doing hot air intakes
dadaisbad@reddit
Did anyone mention the tires that are tilted in at like 20 degrees? God, what a death trap.
Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit
Cat delete, it's an absolutely shitty thing to do with near zero benefits.
Prism3@reddit
Care to explain the ‘zero benefits’ and where you got that info
Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit
Modern cats have near zero restriction.
Prism3@reddit
What’s a comment that immediately makes you think the commenter doesn’t know what they’re talking about… Cats get more restrictive as emissions standards increase… Engines are air pumps, they make power the more efficiently they expel air, and suck in air. If there’s a chamber loaded with metals designed to filter and convert exhaust gas, that slows the expelling of the air and decreases its efficiency. You can literally go on google and find before and afters of multiple platforms on a dyno with a cat vs no cat with no tune changes to see how much easier the car can breathe as a result of reduced back pressure
Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit
I said "near", there's dozens of better improvements to make that don't poison the air we all breath. The most direct of course is high flow cats, sure, replace your stock one with a high flow. But anyone that just removes it is an idiotic scumbag.
Prism3@reddit
I mean I’m not going to try and change your opinion on what you think of a person who takes a cat off of a car. But decats are the most effective way to reduce restriction. It’s a fact that is backed up by thousands of ECU tuners.
Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit
That's very car dependent and not often true. Even where it is true, I do not care, I'm a big HP fiend but there's so many better options.
If someone can't afford to do it right, too bad, that's no excuse to poison our air.
Prism3@reddit
I would be surprised if you can find a car that’s increased their HP by 75% at least that is running a cat. I can tell you’re very pro-environment and again, I’m not going trying to convince you to change your stance. Go you.
Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit
I've done that easy, multiple times.
Prism3@reddit
Nice
Prism3@reddit
Thanks for your opinion
ToughOk9044@reddit
Absolutely HATE those stick on scoops, which are often combined with stupid flame vynls
dogturd21@reddit
Roof mounted shark fins. Is it a cultural thing ?
3579@reddit
Lol, I swapped a 4efte into a 94 tercel and that engine has a factory top mount intercooler. I bought one of those stick on plastic hood scoops and cut out the hood so it was actually functional. I would get so much shit randomly in parking lots and stop lights. I thought it was funny so many people hated it, but I'd just give it some revs and pop the blow off valve. Lots of people were like 'what the fuck'. The 4efte swap was pretty damn rare back in like 04. Met lots of people with questions.
bdgbill@reddit
Snorkels. No exceptions. They are fucking stupid.
PbCuSurgeon@reddit
Mods before maintenance and supporting mods, especially on a used vehicle. If you talk about your new turbo, you better have a good follow up answer if asked about the engine rebuild prior.
Prism3@reddit
What if it comp tested 200
PbCuSurgeon@reddit
That just means it has good compression. It has no say on the condition of the gaskets, bearings, timing components, etc.
Prism3@reddit
2/3 of those things you mentioned don’t constitute an engine rebuild. Compression indicates healthy piston rings, used oil quality/quantity also indicated piston ring health and usually bearing health as well. Rebuilding an engine just to fit a larger turbo is genuinely one of the most unnecessary pseudo rules I’ve seen so far. With the exception of forged internals of course
PbCuSurgeon@reddit
While 2/3 don’t exactly constitute a rebuild, it’s not the end all of issue that should be addressed before doing engine mods.
I guess it’s more a matter of perspective. My take on project cars is mass maintainance before anything. I don’t want to chase issue after issue on an older vehicle, as things continue to age and tend to snowball with “while I’m in there” maintainance. It also helps when you deal with parts suppliers that offer lifetime warranties and replacements.
An easier work environment also takes the stress off the labor. A yoinked engine is easier to work on than squeezing around everything under the hood.
Bad subframe bushings? Pull it, might as well change the wheel bearing and refresh the CV joints while everything is out, etc.
Then there’s the total opposite approach of just wanting to have fun with a shitbox that you know will break and are just in it to break things.
Prism3@reddit
I don’t disagree that maintenance is important, maybe you were just being hyperbolic about the engine rebuild thing and I just misunderstood. You’re right but every situation is different. Running coilovers on a car with a blown ball joint is silly. Buying wide wheels for a car with bad brakes is silly. But if the health is decent enough on the part that’s affected by the modification, and you have the means to fix it, then by all means
Late-Button-6559@reddit
K and n (or similar) oiled filter.
Open pod filter.
Dex_Maddock@reddit
Big aftermarket air intakes that effectively turn into a "hot air intake" in your engine bay.
Or, really, 99% of aftermarket air intakes. If you're not also modifying the cylinder head/manifold/valves/etc to let more air into the engine, it doesn't matter how big an air filter you've got. 🙄
Prism3@reddit
See I was with you until the second half, then you just had to start saying a bunch of nonsense
Dex_Maddock@reddit
Feel free to elaborate.
Prism3@reddit
Im assuming your 99% claim is hyperbole, but a real cold air intake that isn’t just a chrome aluminum pipe is typically less restrictive, wider in diameter (larger pulse into the manifold), and runs cooler intake air temperatures. Not every engine is the same, some cylinder heads from the factory flow high CFM, which isn’t always fully utilized due to space or emissions restrictions in an engine bay. You don’t need cams to utilize an engine on every car, it’s not the 80s
Dex_Maddock@reddit
Yes, my 99% claim was indeed hyperbole. You're right.
I disagree with this point, though, for virtually any vehicle. If the design engineers made a head that flows X amount of air into the engine, why would they then design the air intake to not allow that amount of airflow?
Prism3@reddit
Emissions control, torque curve control, reliability, sound, comfortability, product positioning. So many reasons. No OEM wants to build an engine to run at 100% of its design capabilities. That’s the whole point of bolt ons, is to bring it closer to 100% without having to disassemble a motor.
Look at the 2008 Acura TSX, has a VTEC cylinder head with a significantly above average CFM by most OEM standards, yet has 2 intake resonators and an overly intricate air box to reduce noise and to keep a stable and predictable mass air flow. The head is a beast by engineering standards, yet Honda still restricted the air flow for reasons unrelated to performance.
gravyrider@reddit
LEDs in truck rims make you look redneck af.
katmcflame@reddit
The whale tail I saw on a Ford Fusion this week comes to mind.
chrisbot128@reddit
Snorkel
Dorsai56@reddit
Cheap Chinese Ebay exhausts.
Prism3@reddit
If they run the mufflers and resonators yeah, it’s a decent way to get pre cut exhaust sections if you want to weld on your own mufflers however
Dorsai56@reddit
I'm talking more like cheap fart can catbacks.
Prism3@reddit
So am I. If you’re handy, they have their place. $100 bucks from eBay is cheaper than buying pipe from an exhaust shop. Bonus points if you’ve got mufflers from an old build
eagledog@reddit
Raised trucks with underbody lighting and wheel well lighting. Just going around trying to blind everyone else on the road
RingOk664@reddit
Fart can exhaust or squatted.
Ok_Development_495@reddit
Fart can muffler, cheesey plastic doodads like spoiler, or fake carbon fiber crap.
Helpful-Economy-6234@reddit
Upholstery spray-on spot inhibitor. Costs typically couple of hundred dollars. Can get it the same stuff anywhere that sells paint spray cans for $2.99 and apply yourself.
diamasa@reddit
I saw an 80s or early 90s K-body, wire rims, Chrysler New Yorker, and the person had screwed a raised spoiler made out of three pieces of 2x4 onto the trunk. It did look significantly sportier than a non-spoler version and the front quarter panel badge indicated that it was a "TURBO - electronic fuel injection" model. It had the front retract-away headlight covers which I would likely add aerodynamic functionality, but also a vinyl "Landau" quarter top, which I would imagine would add wind resistance. I am not a car expert but I don't think that the spoiler would add the downforce needed to get that car up over 250km/h
DookieMcDookface@reddit
Rubber bands and bedazzled chrome rims on a 4x4 pickup
Asleep_Current912@reddit
according to the comments it’s only ok to drive a bone stock car
monicainabimmer@reddit
Is being annoying to the general public a mod?
monicainabimmer@reddit
Going to takeovers and squatted trucks
Prism3@reddit
This and people who crowd around 2 step cars at meets
Eziekiel23_20@reddit
Big horsepower with weak drivetrain and/or shit tires.
Prism3@reddit
Valid
bp351@reddit
"Stance". Let's camber the absolute hell out of the wheels and wear the edge off in 20 miles. Looks like shit and handles like shit!
ekathegermanshepherd@reddit
Rear spoiler on fwd vehicles.
Prism3@reddit
care to elaborate
nutimikguy@reddit
I think fake woodgrain on a station wagon looks pretty cool.
TheBlackGuy@reddit
Yall are just naming shit you don’t like, a real answer would be talking about stage 1, stage 2 level of mods. Thats not a universally applicable measurement for modding cars
Prism3@reddit
Welcome to Reddit where people experience cars on a screen and not real life
yottyboy@reddit
Headers and fart can mufflers.
Prism3@reddit
Headers??? We’re just hating on anything now
patrickmoreira@reddit
Loud pipes on most cars
Prism3@reddit
Here’s an actual answer: buying the $100 tire shop wheel specials, 3 inch spacers, and running pavement princess fitment on a Dodge Dart
reidft@reddit
Stance.
HtmlHonda@reddit
Throttle body spacers.
TwoThumbFist@reddit
People that cut mufflers of with a saw and call it muffler delete.
When you tune the car to generate noise that indicate the car runes like shit to everyone that can hear.
Hersbird@reddit
Sure there are things that aren't my taste, but I'm glad to see people doing their own thing. So enjoy seeing all the craziness of car styles and trends that have been going on for 100 years.
What I don't like is takeovers, cutting, street racing on uncontrolled roads, etc. Even with the coolest cars participating, I immediately think the owners and spectators don't know what they are doing and are just making it harder for the people who do. Like a dirty or abusive cop is not liked by good cops.
Prism3@reddit
This
Sp00nD00d@reddit
To be fair, OEMs are probably the biggest offender of fake hood scoops...
QuickCharisma15@reddit
Hot air intakes. Anything from aisle 4 at Autozone. Straight piped VQs or trucks that just sound like dog shit.
Loud exhaust does not always equal good sound quality
Arrgh98@reddit
Student driver sticker
Foxlen@reddit
Lol fake hood scoops are factory on ALOT of trucks/cars, its whack
MaxPaing@reddit
straps on the towing eye.
Prism3@reddit
Some of these are such out of touch boomer takes😂
DoubleResponsible276@reddit
Any sticker “mod”
Budsygus@reddit
Squatted trucks indicate to me the driver is either a spoiled teenage jock or a d-bag adult who bought a truck for image more than utility.
I've never met someone with a squatted truck that wasn't an intolerable moron.
Reasonable-Thanks915@reddit
Cold Air Intake
DotAffectionate87@reddit
I have seen some crap here....... Its not that don't know, its just cringey but people think it looks good
Fake "glue on" plastic sunroofs......
fuck_peeps_not_sheep@reddit
Lowering your car in a country known for having a ton of speed bumps - a friend of mine did it and now has to plan routes that avoid them
Cassiexxx1234@reddit
Ben Hur wheels
Jasonxhx@reddit
The 2008 Camry I recently bought came with giant TRD decals on the back of both sides. It has no TRD parts. I'm leaving it.
sandwichmonger32@reddit
For wheels: -all rim no rubber, cause fuck your passengers back I guess -Bronze rims for the sake of having bronze rims, they don't match every color and this is subjective but I think it is safe to say bronze doesn't go with the likes of Pepto bismol pink cars or nuclear green, etc. Some of the color combos I've seen are just garish -oversized wheels to wheel wells, yes I can hear your car ripping it's wheel wells out and no the larger wheels don't make the damage worth it.
Suspension: -Slammed all the way. No one cares when it's air ride and you can set height with a button, that's utilitarian and fine. But ripping the shit out of your car over every speed bump or even just a regular uneven road is beyond incompetent. -Excessive camber. No, your rusted out BMW 3 series is not an e30 M3 and it never will be, stop telling people you ride on the wrong side of your wheel for performance or "It's what they do in racing" -Lifting/off-road packages, but you never off-road/rock crawl. You look like a dunce, especially buying it as an overpriced trim upgrade from dealer for a 15-20k markup. Take your pavement princess and sell it to someone who will actually use it
Wings: -Excessively large. Not hard for everyone to see you are compensating for something.
Exhaust: -loud =/= good -fart cans, if being annoying is the only type of attention you can get then man, I don't know how to help you
There's more, but this is a good start
Classic-Ad4224@reddit
A body lift on a truck or wheels that stick out waaay past the fender wells.
xSpec13@reddit
Loud mufflers paired with a bone stock engine in a generic vehicle (looking at you, F-150 bros). We can hear you coming a mile away, but you have no discernable advantage over the guy beside you at the stop light. Congrats... I guess?
I suppose it's just attention seeking, but if you insist on having all eyes on you, you'd better be able to put down something out of the ordinary.
Gubbtratt1@reddit
My friend bought a Suzuki on 31s. Cool, except no supporting mods at all were made. It rubbed the fenders at the slightest bump, and it didn't have enough torque to idle in low range 1st.
Kushand0j@reddit
Brake caliper covers
mr802rex@reddit
Hot air intake on a stock vehicle and throwing the MAF reading off and of course without a tune
Closetoneversober@reddit
This is embarrassing because it’s about me but I look back now and cringe. when I got my first car it was like 2002 and those “spinner” rims were popular. So I got a cheap plastic set at Walmart for $20. I thought I looked so cool but then I bumped a curb and when I got home the two spinners on that side were gone.
RevolutionaryBeat301@reddit
Cold air intakes
Sufficient-Bird-6890@reddit
Huge wing and body graphics on the side of the car
execute_777@reddit
Summer tires on mild climate that rarely goes above 8c
throwaway007676@reddit
Hot air intake, decorations like graphics from a different brand.
Imaginary_Ad_4567@reddit
Fake caliper covers that say brembo. Like I get not wanting to spend 500-1000 on brakes but like anyone who would actually care about big calipers are going to recognize that they are fake.
oxbison12@reddit
What are you talking about, "stick on hood scoops don't do anything?" They add another 10 HP per scoop. I have 7 on my 2014 Accent. 😐
oxbison12@reddit
I've also started fuelling up with race fuel. My engine runs louder which is an indicator of more horsepower.
Djolumn@reddit
I've owned two Toyota Tacomas with hood scoops that do absolutely nothing apart from introducing drag. From the factory.
railman04@reddit
the loud exhaust with huge a tailpipe
drpepperfan69420@reddit
stick on fender vents, ugly wheels, cheap tires, big wings on cars that shouldn't have them
likeCircle@reddit
Snorkels on obviously street driven 4wds
Chemical_Support4748@reddit
Plasti dip rims
LawnJerk@reddit
Stickers all over the car with whatever political or religious message (or just love of anime).
gxxrdrvr@reddit
Big rims with low profile tires on a 4x4
Tractorguy69@reddit
‘Stanced’ just equals moron in motion, reduced contact patch, increased wear and severely reduced drivability.
Valuable_Tower518@reddit
Those m colored grilled inserts on a bmw
Fragrant-Hand6549@reddit
Those fake chrome fender vents from AutoZone
No_Depth-@reddit
The Fart Cannon, or any badge belonging to another Manufacturer
TXTremor@reddit
Wide wheel spacers on 4x4’s.
Frosty-Nebula-5978@reddit
Extreme camber. A little bit is good, but lots of people overdo it, which can actually make it handle worse, as well as making tires wear out faster and much more unevenly.
TheIronMonkey53@reddit
Stanced wheels
highersense@reddit
M badge on a non M car.
Upbadging in general.
publicsausage@reddit
Bananas on dodges
Comprehensive-Buy558@reddit
Each sticker gives you +5hp /s
IllMasterpiece5610@reddit
Lowering job that restricts suspension travel.
EconomyScall@reddit
Cold air intakes
BigBlackMagicWand@reddit
As a long time car guy and working with auto repairs for over a decade I must be growing old and cynical, because most of car mods makes me think this way...
Mostly because majority of what I see are done by people who clearly do not know what they're doing and they just end up fucking everything, their car or us who are trying to figure out an issue under all that bullshit tacked on...
But yeah, to me basically anything visual or non-functional mods are idiotic.
ValuableInternal1435@reddit
Body lifts (in 99.9% of cases anyway), and debadging a truck just to replace the badges with lame decals.
Pitiful-Trick2005@reddit
"sports mind powered by sports" stickers....
VinnyVenturas@reddit
Anything to do with 'fuel saving' gadgets
Triple-Depresso@reddit
Bucket seats on a daily
cdglasser@reddit
What? The vast majority of cars built in the last 30+ years came factory equipped with bucket seats. Do you mean racing seats?
Potential-Common525@reddit
Any of the stick on shit like fake scoops
Jgordos@reddit
slammin’
AnnaBananner82@reddit
Low profile tires on a lifted “off road” truck.
binarypower@reddit
people who willingly get the brake light mod that causes your brake lights to blink when you step on the brakes
SpaceCat72@reddit
Fart cans and giant wings
nopester24@reddit
Stanced wheels
DFLDrew@reddit
Pretty much every modification. OEM engineers are very smart and know what they’re doing
SimilarTranslator264@reddit
Lmao you forgot the /s
Informal_Ad4399@reddit
They're also hamstrung by balancing cost, EPA regs, sound levels and probably a few we don't even know about.
If what you said was true, we'd get nothing from a full intake and exhaust upgrade. We'd get nothing from cam replacements or rocker upgrades.
There are upgrades to be made that gain hp and torque. Most people just do 1 or 2 things though.
Everyone is saying CAI. A good upgraded CAI can make a difference if it is paired with ported throttle body, upgraded headers, and upgraded cat back. A tune helps bring it all together.
Sometimes even just a tune. The Grand Prix GTP came a little held back from the factory. Again, a balance of restraints. A tune, even on a factory only one, will bring out a bit more HP.
InsulatedEel@reddit
OEM engineers get a lot wrong and they are also limited by funding/having to compete with other departments
landry_454kg@reddit
Yes and no. Engineers can get overruled when it comes to finances and quality. Truly sad.
two_hearted_river@reddit
There's a certain beauty in maintaining a car to its original vision, and making changes that add modern convenience as unobtrusive to the original design as possible. For example, keeping the stock head unit and adding a bluetooth adapter to the stereo that connects via the CD changer port in the back and a backup camera connected to an aftermarket rear-view mirror with an integrated LCD display, rather than putting in a new head unit.
Objective-Fishing310@reddit
Lots of Rams on the road with factory hood scoops that don’t do a damn thing
Ok-Square360@reddit
Definitely those fake stick on brake calipers
tomcat91709@reddit
Eyelashes on any car...
Flimsy-Cheek-4258@reddit
Cold air intake
NoEmu5969@reddit
They generate codes on any car if they are actually drawing cold air. The emissions controls are not tuned for it.
Flimsy-Cheek-4258@reddit
Almost every factory air inlet draws true cold air. It’s more about the flow difference and sensor placement.
uwpxwpal@reddit
Truck nuts
FiguringOute@reddit
GT wings on SE Corollas
TheStig827@reddit
Lights, Painted interior bits, and "dress up" screw/bolt heads. The cheapest, do nothing garbage that allows you to say "it's a project" "my wip".. etc..
It's a waste of money. save your funds, buy real parts. It will take longer, but you will actually get something out of the experience more than the high from paint fumes.
JakeAtIguanas@reddit
Fart can mufflers
68Wombat@reddit
Up badging.
YippieKayYayMrFalcon@reddit
Bedazzled steering wheel aka claymore to the face when the airbag deploys.
mechshark@reddit
That poke stuff with the wheels on an angle
Naive_Traffic6522@reddit
Stanced
badhoopty@reddit
stupid shit spray painted lime green or whatever.
TominNJ@reddit
Those cars that are so low that it looks like the springs are broken. There’s no way to go over a speed bump or go up a driveway without hitting bottom. I know it’s a popular look but I think it’s dumb.
Informal_Ad4399@reddit
We had a guy in my neighborhood do that to his car. We saw his fart can car go by. You could hear quick scrapes on the street. Then we heard a long loud one. 30 seconds later he came back, slowly reversing his way back home.
Hyptisx@reddit
One of those “turbos” that they put inside the intake thinking it’ll increase air flow
AntiSonOfBitchamajig@reddit
Often times it isn't the mod itself, but how its applied completely wrong.
TeamPortuguese@reddit
caliper covers.
NeSToR_49@reddit
One of those red tow straps on the front bumper, usually screwed in to the plastic with a self tapper or glued on.
UncleBensRacistRice@reddit
Straight pipe on an otherwise stock car.
German cars with god awful popcorn tunes.
Cutting springs to lower their car.
Installing ultra stiff, cheap coilovers to "improve" handling on their car that will never see a track.
Getting wider wheels just to put really cheap, shitty LingLong tires on them
HuntGundown@reddit
Straight piping pretty much anything.
Wild-Highway-8739@reddit
A Tornado Air
Prestigious-Hyena-72@reddit
All that plastic shit put on the outside.
Sweet_Speech_9054@reddit
Cold air intake. Especially the ones that remove all the factory heat insulation and just draw air from the hot engine bay.
KetchupOnThaMeatHo@reddit
Fake hood scoops and vents on the quarter panels.
JMPhotographik@reddit
3d wings at the roofline, or worse yet, wings that are pointed the wrong direction, as if to push air down into the low pressure area behind the trunk.
Fake vents, especially the OEM ones (I'm looking at you, Supra!).
Ultra wide wheels/tires on 200hp cars.
Huge swaybars.
Cars so low that they ride on the bump stops.
SergiuM42@reddit
Clapped out cammed out rice burners
MRV-DUB@reddit
Camber. /\
DD-DONT@reddit
Hot air intake
Andy_850TB@reddit
The fartbox muffler with the exhaust pipe that's 4" wide
DG_Templeton_3th@reddit
Those 20"+ rubber band tires on lifted diesel street trucks with more suspension than a Baja truck. Bonus if you put lights in your wheel wells.
Lord_Vader654@reddit
Lifting the front end of your SUV and lowering the rear, it doesn’t look cool, it looks stupid AF.
NewUnderstanding4901@reddit
Enormous fugly wheels with low profile tires
Desperate_Set_7708@reddit
Appearance-only mods
Rorschach_1@reddit
My decked out off-road Jeep that has never seen a dirt road! Would hate to get it dirty.
pndfam05@reddit
Lowered to the point where the car can’t pull into any driveway.
Gahreesen@reddit
A tuned Maserati exhaust has a beautiful note to it. How you think your Honda shit coffee can exhaust is cool is beyond me.
JCDU@reddit
Wheel spacers, spring spacers, body lifts, any diesel that spews out black smoke, ridiculous lowering or lifting to the point of being basically a safety risk.
Also off-road: Shitty or non-existent recovery points are a great way to be an enormous pain in the arse and/or get someone killed or injured.
HDauthentic@reddit
Hot air intake (a cold air intake just installed exposed in the engine bay with no shielding)
Sketchy-Idea-Vendor@reddit
Lowering a car without considering suspension geometry or damper rates. I see guys with dropped cars with shit camber and/or that get squirrelly over rough pavement and it is immediately obvious to me that they just starting throw mods at their car without understand the how and why of them.
RickySlayer9@reddit
90% of cold air intakes I see are hot air intakes
Rough_Ad8048@reddit
Vanity plates
Imaginary_Ad_6352@reddit
Those 5" tailpipes on a little 4 banger.
redrider02@reddit
Lifted dually trucks.
jbrag@reddit
Cut springs
No_Geologist_3690@reddit
Tinted tail lights
bitzzwith2zs@reddit
Big tires/wheels and loud exhaust.
Competitive_Sell2177@reddit
Dump valves
Fine-Froyo6219@reddit
Caliper covers, anything carbon wrapped, ebay/temu aero on unmodified cars
5544554455441@reddit
Up-badging.
all_bullspit@reddit
Any add on intake that isn't specified cold air. And the short ram (aka... hot air) intakes.... That not only ruin performance but gas mileage as well..... And the associated idiots that claim they can feel the increase in power.... Moronic OMG this could be a long and huge list
Ancient-Street-3318@reddit
License plate relocation in front of an air passage.
heretorobwallst@reddit
Leveling pucks on trucks
postitpad@reddit
‘Cold’ air intake over an exhaust manifold.